Can an NCO take away PT from you completely as punishment?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:02:37 -0500

Im in 11B as well

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2019 6:06 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:06:42 -0500

Take away PT as punishment? Oh, this I have to hear.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2019 6:24 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:24:14 -0500

You need to explain more: Right now I am picturing some Sergeant saying "..and as your punishment you will sleep in, eat breakfast and report to duty by 0900. You will not be allowed to do any PT....and don't let me catch you even thinking about jogging or walking fast during the day. Oh, and no Ruck march training or battle drill training either...those may use elements of pt.."

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 14 at 2019 6:25 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:25:23 -0500

Punishment in the military is defined by the UCMJ.

NCOs are authorized to make corrective actions, as part of training, but punishment is command level.

All that said, Physical Fitness and Physical Readiness are mandated at both the DoD and Service levels. This puts the concept of even corrective action well above the NCO paygrades.

Are you asking if an NCO can give you a legal order not to PT? Possible, but "I" (personally) would tread with extreme caution on this one. It has the potential to conflict with other regulations and orders.

However, "You cannot PT during work hours, except for Unit PT" or "I don't want you PTing at X location (because of Y concern)" may well be within the scope of the NCO's discretion.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2019 7:48 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:48:31 -0500

A scenario where I could see this would be valid would be: you were being given some time during the work day to PT on your own outside of required unit PT and you were late returning a couple times. So he will no longer allow you to individually PT during work.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Feb 14 at 2019 10:01 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:01:45 -0500

There is a time, a place and a skilled NCO for such punishment!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2019 10:10 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:10:15 -0500

Tell the entire story.
Define "take away PT."
Explain why you believe it is punishment.
Explain what PT your were doing previously.
Explain what the NCO has you doing, or will have you doing.
You have everyone's attention with this one. ****every SPC thinking, They'll take away my PT of....***(((

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2019 9:44 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:44:41 -0500

I'm hoping PT in this cases means something different than Physical Training... Maybe you mean Personal Time, Persistent Thankfulness, Pequeno Tacos, or Positive Things?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Feb 15 at 2019 4:23 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:23:36 -0500

WTF- this question is as clear as shit. Are you talking the mandatory PT or PT on your own time/body building. etc.? The MOS doesn't matter since EVERY SM is suppose the meet the standards outlined in the AFPT. Any 11B better be excelling or go home.

Response by SFC Marc W. made Feb 15 at 2019 8:34 PM

SFC Marc W. — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 20:34:04 -0500

I believe he's referring to physical therapy, and yes if you're missing appointments, it can be taken away from you. Also if you're doing excessive or dangerous physical training, that can be taken away as well.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Feb 16 at 2019 9:40 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 09:40:27 -0500

While what you asked was certainly somewhat unusual, I'm obviously by no means minimizing your question, as there must've clearly been more involved, certainly, I merely note that the stereotypical reaction in such a circumstance would clearly be to require PT, not forbid it...that being said, I can perhaps envision a rationale for such a thing, essentially being forced inactivity, in an effort to motivate the desire to participate to alleviate boredom...whether it'd actually be allowed, and/or endorsed by those above, is, of course, an entirely different matter...I merely point out that, while perhaps comprehensible on the level I described, one would certainly think it'd be deemed rather contrary to unit objectives in terms of individual service member preparedness, overall...nevertheless, what you asked was, most definitely, at least quite thought provoking, if nothing else...if you'd care to elaborate on the circumstances, I'd by all means be most interested in hearing more, no rush, whenever convenient...your question most certainly got my mental gears going, if nothing else, you know?