Can an unit generate orders or awards for a SM no longer in their command?

2020-09-17T22:54:50-04:00

BLUF:
I was in the 173rd a few years ago and did a foreign jump. I still have all the supporting documents required to get foreign jump wings but don't have the actual orders awarding me foreign jump wings.

Me and a few others kept bugging command and S1 about it and since BN and BDE was rotating command teams it got put on the back burner.

Since then I haven't worn my ASUs so it wasn't a priority considering other factors. Now that I'm in a new unit, I want to make sure I got my T's crossed and I's dotted. I haven't been able to contact my old S1 section but would they be able to generate foreign jump wings if I show them the supporting documents or am I SOL? Thanks in advance.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Sep 17 at 2020 11:02 PM

2020-09-17T23:02:34-04:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member Drive on! Carry on the good fight! Best of luck.

Go slowly, be careful to keep records of how all of those ‘Ts’s’ crossed and ‘I’s’ were dotted!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2020 12:17 AM

2020-09-18T00:17:04-04:00

As long as you have the jump status orders or that 4187 signed by the General, if you were not on jump status, along with the manifest there shouldn’t be a problem getting orders from your current unit. If you were active but now are USAR then your current unit would have to submit the documents for the award. It would go through your current command.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Sep 18 at 2020 12:17 AM

2020-09-18T00:17:58-04:00

Ok, this is from the HRC website. This information is current as of Sep 11,202

https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Foreign%20Award%20Info

Foreign Badges and Decorations LISTED in Appendices D and E
The Requestor submits a request for to accept and wear the foreign badge or decoration using a DA Form 4187. Provide a copy of the certificate and/or citation for the badge and decoration in the original language and an English translation. Submit the request through the chain of command to the servicing HR office.
The HR office verifies that the requested badge or decoration is listed in AR 600-8-22, Appendix D or Appendix E.
The HR office validates that the badge or decoration was earned in accordance with guidance in AR 600-8-22, paragraph 9-26 (i.e. awarded in recognition of meeting the criteria prescribed by the host nation military).
The HR office prepares the memorandum authorizing acceptance, retention, and/or wear and submits to the approval authority (commanders or DCGs in the grade BG/O7 or higher) along with supporting documentation. (see note 1)
The approval authority approves the acceptance, retention, and/or wear of foreign badge or decoration.
The HR office returns approved memorandum to requestor and submits approved memorandum to iPERMS along with the certificate (original and English translation) for posting to the Soldier's Army Human Resource Record (AMHRR) (only if approved for "acceptance, retention and wear"). No filing requirement of "token acceptance" only. (see notes 2 and 3)
Notes:
1. Organizations which do not have commanders or DCGs in the rank/grade of BG/O7 in their chain of command may submit their requests to U.S. Army Human Resources Command (USAHRC), Awards and Decorations Branch (ADB), for processing.
2. Foreign badges and decorations approved for honorary or token acceptance only (not for wear on the U.S. Army uniform) are NOT posted to the recipient's AMHRR)
3. Foreign badges and decorations included in Appendices D and E will not be updated in Electronic Military Personnel Officer (eMILPO) (for posting to the Enlisted Records Brief or Officer Record Brief, or DD Form 214); only those foreign badges and decorations published in AR 600-8-22, Chapter 9, Sections III and IV, may be updated in eMILPO.

Foreign Badges and Decorations NOT Listed in Appendices D and E
The requestor submits a request to accept and wear the foreign badge or decoration using a DA Form 4187. Provide a copy of the certificate or citation for the badge or decoration in the original language and an English translation. Submit the request through the chain of command to the servicing HR office.
The HR office verifies that the decoration or badge is not listed in Appendix D or Appendix E.
The HR office validates that the badge or decoration was earned in accordance with guidance in AR 600-8-22, paragraph 9-26 (i.e. awarded in recognition of meeting the criteria prescribed by the host nation military).
The HR office prepares memorandum requesting a determination on acceptance, retention, and/or wear of the decoration and badge.
The HR office submits memorandum, copy of original certificate, and English translation to the Commander, USAHRC, ADB (AHRC-PDP-A), Department 480, 1600 Spearhead Division Avenue, Fort Knox, KY 40122-5408 or email.
HRC, Awards and Decorations Branch (ADB) reviews documentation.
HRC, ADB makes a determination on acceptance, retention, and/or wear; or request additional information from the host/issuing country.
HRC, ADB prepares determination memorandum and returns approval memorandum to HR office.
HRC, ADB submits approval memorandum to iPERMS along with the certificate (original and English translation) for posting to the Soldier's AMHRR (only if "acceptance, retention and wear"). No filing requirement for determination of "token acceptance" only. (see notes 2 and 3)
The HR Office provides a copy of the memorandum to the Soldier.
Notes:
1. Such requests for Army National Guard personnel will be routed through the National Guard Bureau, (ARNG-HRH-A), 111 S. George Mason Drive, Arlington, VA 22204-1373.
2. Foreign badges and decorations approved for honorary or token acceptance only (not for wear on the U.S. Army uniform) are NOT posted to the recipient's AMHRR.
3. Foreign badges and decorations included in Appendices D and E will not be updated in Electronic Military Personnel Office (eMILPO) (for posting to the Enlisted Records Brief or Officer Record Brief, or DD Form 214); only those foreign badges and decorations published in AR 600-8-22, Chapter 9, Sections III and IV, may be updated in eMILPO.

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2020 4:32 PM

2020-09-18T16:32:17-04:00

I am in the exact same predicament. Jumped with the french. I have the original serialized wings and certificate. The unit never got around to getting the orders approved.

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made Sep 19 at 2020 1:50 AM

2020-09-19T01:50:59-04:00

Have you looked up your units citations, awards, all that with your given time frame there?