Can anyone cite the detail in the regs regarding awarding a second marksmanship badge if a Soldier only is assigned one weapon system?

2016-12-16T20:59:03-05:00

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2016 9:02 PM

2016-12-16T21:02:25-05:00

Just for clarification, I have always been assigned an M-16, but at a recent range I was able to go through a qual with my XO's 9mm pistol with some extra rounds. Frankly having qualified with two experts I wouldn't mind hanging the second bar, but as I am reading into the regs I am not finding what my PAC says is policy: "the second qualification cannot be added to the ERB without being assigned to both weapons". If not, oh well, but I would appreciate any guidance you RPers have. Thanks.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2016 9:31 PM

2016-12-16T21:31:17-05:00

Interesting question. But I recall wearing the Expert Badge in Grenade and Sharpshooter in Rifle during my Class A inspection during Basic Training. The Rifle was my assigned weapon system, yet I am fairly sure that the Grenade was not an "Assigned" weapon. Taking that logic, I would make the case for having two different qualification level badges for two weapons, even if only assigned one.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2016 9:46 PM

2016-12-16T21:46:12-05:00

Found it! If anyone care to know I have it below. Now just to see if the BN or BDE have a policy of not awarding the second badge/bar.
AR 600-8-22
Section IV
Marksmanship Badges and Tabs
8–47. U.S. Army Basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges
a. A basic Marksmanship Qualification Badge is awarded to indicate the degree in which an individual, military, or civilian has qualified in a prescribed record course and an appropriate bar is furnished to denote each weapon with which he or she qualified. Each bar will be attached to the basic badge that indicates the qualification last attained with the respective weapon. Basic qualification badges are of three classes: Expert, Sharpshooter, and Marksman. The only weapons for which component bars are authorized are in table 8–2. Basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges are awarded to U.S. military and civilian personnel, and to foreign military personnel who qualify as prescribed.
b. See AR 670–1 for instructions concerning the wear of basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges and component bar tabs.
c. Approval authority is as follows:
(1) Any commander in the rank or position of LTC/O–5 or above may award to Servicemembers of the Armed Forces of the United States; camp and/or post commanders, Professors of Military Science, and Directors of Army Instruction and/or Senior Army Instructors.
(2) Except for uniformed civilian guards (AR 670–10), awards to civilians will be made by the CMP. The CMP is administered by the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, Inc., Post Office Box 576, Port Clinton, Ohio 43452–0576. The authorization for civilian guards to wear basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges may be made by installation commanders. Civilian guards will procure badges at their own expense.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Dec 16 at 2016 9:50 PM

2016-12-16T21:50:03-05:00

Your M16 your primary weapon award and Grenade is not so you will have badge for that award per AR 670-1.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Dec 16 at 2016 10:01 PM

2016-12-16T22:01:11-05:00

So is there a AR670-1 on military uniforms or is a DA pam 670-1 I am from the old military please let me Know.
Thanks
SSG MARK FRANZEN
US ARMY

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2016 11:32 AM

2016-12-17T11:32:27-05:00

USMC is pretty straightforward. One badge for rifle, one for pistol. The classifications from best to worst are Expert (crossed rifles), Sharpshooter (iron cross), Marksman (pizza box). The only one eligible for any bar below is Expert. It designates how many times you have fired Expert, such as 5th award rifle, 3rd award pistol, and they wear the bar below the respective badge. After that, shooters that have earned awards from competition matches can wear them in place of or along with the others and there are too many possibilities to explain in detail. They can be from placing in Division Matches, Inter-Service, Camp Perry Nationals, or International. Once a competition shooter earns enough points they are classified as Distinguished and wear a Distinguished Badge. A competitive shooter may be Double Distinguished when they reach the mark for both rifle and pistol, and they wear one for each. There are also badges for various accomplishments in marksmanship as shown on the page linked to. No badge for grenade but if someone goes UNQ (unqualified) with grenade their survivors get the SGLI...okay j/k but you get the idea hopefully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_of_the_United_States_Marine_Corps

Badges of the United States Marine Corps - Wikipedia

Insignia and badges of the United States Marine Corps are military "badges" issued by the United States Department of the Navy to Marines who achieve certain qualifications and accomplishments while serving on both active and reserve duty in the United States Marine Corps.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Dec 17 at 2016 5:23 PM

2016-12-17T17:23:49-05:00

Well for starters those badges are awarded civilians as well via the Army Marksmanship program. Second, when I went through Infantry OSUT is was One badge per badge type up to all three (ex: Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert) as far as how many tags you could have on the ladder I don't remember but I had three under Expert when I graduated OSUT (Grenade, M203, Rifle) but was authorized more (Missile, M60). Third, if the person has been in the service a while and is past Basic and AIT, the standard was one badge and one tag on primary assigned weapon. Beyond that and you kind of look like a Boy Scout.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Dec 19 at 2016 12:49 PM

2016-12-19T12:49:03-05:00

I know in USMC regs you can be awarded a badge for rifle or pistol if you pass the qual.... Doesn't matter what you are issued

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2017 4:23 PM

2017-09-04T16:23:15-04:00

This is a great question and I am an old soldier (Cold War, which we won by the way ... Putin is pissed so we are down the road to Cold War II) ... I qualified on the following weapons (as noted on my 201) Expert Grenade, MK-19, M16A2, M-60, M9, and M1911. I served 8 years in the army, I never had the chance (none was offered) to requalify with the grenade after Basic. Yet it is on my 201 and is official. I am not sure about the new regs; however, it used to be if there was a qualification range available, you had to requalify. If there was none offered, your qualification stood until the next qualification was offered.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 20 at 2018 1:24 AM

2018-11-20T01:24:27-05:00

Marksmanship Qualification Badges are just that, badges that indicate qualification. One does not need to be assigned a weapon to qualify on it.
BLUF: You can qualify on as many weapons as you can and nothing prevents it. You are, however, limited to three clasps per badge..