Posted on Aug 11, 2016
SGT CH-47 Helicopter Repairer
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Does it depends on the unit or there are other rules? My unit will be about 280 miles away (one way).
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Some confusion between travel and conditions of the billet you're in. A lot of Reserves have to travel long distance on their own dime. If you want the pay billet, there you go. However when having to travel in performance of your official duties, the NG, Reserves, Active, etc. all have to follow the JTR. So I'd recommend every SM have a basic working knowledge of the JTR, what it pays for and what it doesn't. Some S-1 shops purposely put weird endorsements on orders trying to circumvent the Reg. That's not allowed and your IG would be interested in hearing about it. So it's legal for you to take no cost permissive orders, but you can refuse them too. They can't force you to travel on Government business on your own dime. Had a couple cases where I found a unit had a senior ENL who'd do equipment certifications. So he was directed to "drill" by driving one month to San Diego, one month to Seattle, one month to Texas; you get the idea. We canned their XO and S1 on that one and would have the Skipper but he was there only a couple of weeks. Never fear, the ex Skipper found it wise to retire immediately.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Sounds like you take the pay billet you do the miles. Most units that do that usually have some sort of berthing arranged so it's not a double tap. They get very limited travel funds and that's set aside for mission execution stuff. It also says members who have to travel on their dime are important, but not important enough for the Pols to pony up the money either.
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SGT CH-47 Helicopter Repairer
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So, as I understand travel expenses to monthly drills are not reimbursed , but help with lodging might be available?
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Maybe, ask the S1. Whatever you spend for lodging is an unreimbursed business expense you can take off your income tax. The mileage piece gets a bit tricky but usually the to and back piece isn't but having to drive around to do your job is. Make sure you read up on the current IRS blurbs.
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I'm struggling with this right now. I've been transferred to a unit outside 150 miles of my HOR involuntarily to fill "needed" slots. The most they can offer me is IDT travel and a motel 6 not to exceed $300 per drill. This doesn't seem right. Why in every aspect of the military we have waivers to sign for commuting distance if we can just be transferred anywhere they want us to go?
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We used to get a free hotel room Friday and Saturday night for home station drills if you lived 70 miles or more from the armory. Alas, Illinois is out of money and that is no longer an option. We are always welcome to crash at the armory.

Current regulations (NGR 600-200, 4-7) state that you cannot be involuntarily assigned to a unit that is outside reasonable commuting distance as defined in AR 135-91, 5-5. It states that you can be assigned at your state's leisure to a unit up to 50 miles from your Home of Record. If they assign you to a unit 50-100 miles from your Home of Record, they must provide you lodging and meals (keep in mind this will likely be your own little plot of land on the drill floor and an MRE). Going back to NGR 600-200, 4-7...if the state wishes to assign you farther than reasonable commuting distance (100 miles from the AR), you must agree to it on paper. They will still owe you meals and lodging, but it will likely be the same conditions described above.

All of that being said, you will have to eat the mileage.........until...TAX SEASON! That's right. As a member of the Guard or Reserves, you get a deduction based on the number of miles you had to drive your POV in a calendar year to fulfill your reserve commitment.
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SGT CH-47 Helicopter Repairer
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In my case I voluntary moved further from the unit, so not sure if regulations related with logging can be applied here.
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Even a voluntary transfer to a unit 50 miles or more from your HOR requires them to provide lodging. Whether that's a hotel or just the ability to sleep at the armory will likely be determined by your state's policies and budget.
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When Illinois did have the money for us to get a hotel room, it was handled by our Supply Sergeant and/or the BN S-4. We had to request it one month in advance. It might behoove you to reach out to the unit before your first drill to find out what, if any, arrangements they can make for you.
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Joshua Ruiz
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Would this be the case if you get a hotel?
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SSgt Carpenter
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I can't speak for your state, but ours did away with lodging in kind some time ago. When I drilled at a distance, I went down the night before and slept on the drill floor. I now drill locally, but guys drive from as far as 3-4 hours away. They all spend the night at the armory, and drive on their own dime.
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SSgt Carpenter
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MSG Pat Colby - Somehow a few individuals lack of ability to control their interactions with alcohol seems to be the reason for a lot of things in the service! But it's better to have any possible issues at the armory than downtown as far as I'm concerned.
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MSG Pat Colby
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SSgt (Join to see) - Dude, without a doubt! Policing up idiots at midnight or later was always a bitch. Then the next morning, dealing with packing up from the "camping trip" on the Drill floor was always a joy...
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MSG Pat Colby
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Personally, I had my cot in the supply cages. Had my own alarm clock so I could be the asshole that pissed off everyone at 05:30 for a 07:00 formation. Shortly after formation, I would have my Barber Station set up. Show up out of Regs and you had a choice. Either your get your hair cut by me or you don't get paid. I purposely fucked up many a head. The Regs doesn't say shit has to be even, just off the ears.

OH! You forgot your headgear? Here's a rolled up sandbag. Wear that shit all weekend. Gotta have "cover" outside...

I was a dick and made a point.
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SSgt Carpenter
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MSG Pat Colby - We get issued cots as part of our OCIE. I don't think it's worth the pain of setting it up, and sleep on the floor. I try to remember to bring the buzzy clippers. Before my time, but the guys tell me they used to have USGI barber kits, with hand shears at the armory. Guess it used to really suck getting a hair cut with those. No cover? There's a Kpot for that.
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