Can command staff send soldiers home from battle assembly with an unsat/no pay, if they are on a red status on medpros?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 00:31:33 -0500

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 12:46 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 00:46:22 -0500

Soldiers have a responsibility to monitor their medical readiness. It is very easy to do, as it is posted right there on the AKO homepage. Furthermore, it is their responsibility to contact LHI and get an appointment scheduled, as well as to do the on-line PHA.

I have been in 4 commands during my time in the Reserves. In each one, it has been a directive that soldiers take care of this. I lost count of how many formations and leadership huddles where a list of yellow and red Soldiers have been disseminated to the unit or unit leaders. It is absolutely within the purview of a commander to "U" a Soldier that has been non-compliant.

Having said that, if a soldier told me that he/she made an appointment and showed me that the PHA was completed. I would be more likely to vouch for that Soldier.

I am about 95% sure that the Brigade Medical NCO has ways to track LHI appointments. It would not take much more then a phone call to confirm that a Soldier has a pending appointment. (And that should not count against you, in my opinion, when you fall red while waiting for the clinic visit.)

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 12:53 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 00:53:10 -0500

Yes they can now. They just started doing that at my unit

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 12:54 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 00:54:29 -0500

Yes, and it is being done currently. It is every Soldiers respobsibility to maintain their medical and dental readiness. Failure to do so is considered unsatisfactory performance of their assigned duties which earns the Soldier a U for each UTA that they remain non-compliant.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 2:30 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 02:30:27 -0500

Not to my knowledge.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 2:34 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 02:34:35 -0500

I can't believe this. It's like a soldier purposely smoking a joint so he gets caught and gets kicked out of the military. As far as Army Reserve will even pay the soldier half a day's pay they get the damn appointment done even if just for a flu shot at Walgreens. It is it is crazy that a soldier would not be compliant especially if the government rewards him with pain or if he shows up to drill and they have an SRP and they do half of the stuff that's required for medical rate is at a home station drill or the medical people are there on site Fort piatok Health assessment survey, dental and hearing examinations all done the same day.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Dec 19 at 2016 9:35 AM

CSM David Heidke — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:35:06 -0500

This would infuriate me! Get your damn flu shot!!!

The worst offenders are the health nuts who say they don't want a flu shot and you can't make me. Most often they would be officers too thinking they could skate the requirement.

We started bussing folks to Walgreens to get them at Battle Assembly.

And don't get me started on MEDPROS... Some medical weenie gets a wild hair across his ass that now we need hepatitis shots without taking into account we're gonna be red until we get several follow up shots. Who they heck thinks up this crap! Besides getting LHI to actually update a record. ugh... I'm glad I'm retired.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 10:45 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:45:14 -0500

Short answer, yes. Long answer is yes because they are not fulfilling their required obligations to maintain their own medical readiness. As long as the Command is following the guidance properly, those Soldiers can be sent home w/out pay.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2016 7:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 19:38:20 -0500

Yes, yes, and yes. For all the answers given so far. I've also seen Soldiers not allowed to attend Annual Training due to pre existing non military related injuries. CDR stood at the bus door and physically inspected each Soldier getting on bus. 1 Soldier had a walking cast on. CDR told him to go home. All done IAW regs.

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Dec 19 at 2016 10:05 PM

MSG Dan Castaneda — Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:05:33 -0500

What is battle assembly?

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 9:18 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:18:55 -0500

In the ANG, yes is the short answer. You are responsible to meet your requirements and can be order to go and get that flu shot or face the punishment. That being said, we are all busy on UTAs, so medical has to work with the squadrons - we had medical go to rollcall and give shots as the members were going into rollcall - hard to get out of it that way.

Response by Col Dana Jacobson made Dec 20 at 2016 9:29 AM

Col Dana Jacobson — Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:29:17 -0500

On the Air Force Reserve side (Cat A or Cat B/IMA), same answer: if you're not ready, you don't pull duty. I used to send out a regular reminder that anybody - ANYbody - can access readiness data online (we issued CAC readers to all reservists) and verify data. The issue we continue to have (to a lesser extent, but it exists) is that some AD medical types don't understand that a reservist is required to do the PHA just like AD members, so we have some scheduling issues occasionally.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 2:43 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:43:50 -0500

This was a great discussion, thank you for all of the input. As NCO's it is our job to learn everyday and gain new knowledge. We understand as as leaders that it is our responsibility to maintain our individual readiness and health care is one of our most important tasks to keep track of. Our junior enlisted can And will come up with every excuse as to why they can't complete simple tasks. Again thank you all for the knowledge shared. Being able to explain why they are an unsat makes my day.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2016 3:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:11:50 -0500

In my Division, we not only give them a U, the Soldier is also Flagged until they get the appointment completed.

Response by SSG(P) Brian Kliesen made Dec 28 at 2016 10:33 AM

SSG(P) Brian Kliesen — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:33:34 -0500

Yes, if the soldier cannot keep up with these base requirements, we send them home without pay and give them a 'U' for the day. As a reservist, they may have to travel a great distance, so it is in their best interest to check their status often and get the appointments out of the way as soon as possible. They can do it up to 90 days in advance for some issues. MEDPROS and LHI are not a good system and take forever to talk to each other, so it is necessary for the soldier who has gone to an appointment to bring in their own documentation. Unit sponsored events where LHI contractors come out to provide PHA's, shots, etc., will almost always fail to bring out one station and the soldiers will have to make an appointment for a different test or follow up; blood draws, hearing, etc. LHI recently created a website, http://www.LHI.care that a soldier can go on and make appointments. It is important that when they call in they ask for a voucher or appointment for ALL the upcoming requirements. If the soldier has already completed the requirement on their own (for school, their job), they can send in that information to [login to see] and they should receive an email in a day or so that the information was received and a week or so later that it was updated. Oftentimes, a soldier will get an appointment for a PHA, complete the appointment and a month later have to go back as they just turned yellow for hearing or something else. Again, it is a poorly designed system where LHI makes a lot of money but doesn't provide a very good service.

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2017 3:40 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:40:42 -0500

Yes they can, however, my unit along with others have ran into the issue where the soldier is waiting for LHI to schedule the appointment. The Soldier comes to drill and we have to allow him/her to sign in and then U them for the second half of day. I was told by RPAC that the Soldier is our responsibility once they step foot on the grounds and must be compensated or a legal issue could arise. I just found out today that Soldiers that are MRC4, usually coming off of IRR are not to be paid for going to their appointments to become green. This seems put of line.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2018 7:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 19:19:35 -0500

Can they have soldier drill the day but still not payhim? I known they can send them home and not pay them , but if they ask them to stay and drill can they refuse to pay them?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2018 6:17 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Mar 2018 18:17:39 -0500

Yes and no... If they tell you to show up... They have to pay you for that day but you don't get paid until after your apps are completed... OR you are placed on "no drilling" status until you do them.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 10 at 2018 10:37 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sat, 10 Mar 2018 10:37:45 -0500

And why not? Its the SM's job to make sure they are in to date on normal shots, and the unit medics should be double checking for the weird shots. It's not any different than showing up, out of shape, or not gear, etc. You are NOT battle ready nor deployable so you should not get paid!