Can deployed soldiers from previously unaligned sustainment brigades wear parent divisions patch?

2020-05-26T22:49:09-04:00

So we had a debate at work today. If you deployed with a sustainment brigade that was previously unaligned with their parent division can you now wear the parent divisions patch now that they are realigned?

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made May 26 at 2020 11:37 PM

2020-05-26T23:37:19-04:00

Are you asking if you can wear the current division patch even though that's not the division that you were assigned to while deployed? Because I'm going to assume no.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made May 26 at 2020 11:57 PM

2020-05-26T23:57:15-04:00

No.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 12:10 AM

2020-05-27T00:10:46-04:00

If it wasnt your patch when deployed, no. Patch changes Rent retroactive

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 1:59 AM

2020-05-27T01:59:49-04:00

What was the argument saying you can?
Sounds like a one sided debate.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 27 at 2020 8:15 AM

2020-05-27T08:15:12-04:00

Patches authorized for wear do not change based on latter alignment. You wear the patch you earned on deployment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 8:38 AM

2020-05-27T08:38:27-04:00

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 9:01 AM

2020-05-27T09:01:03-04:00

You wear the SSI-FWTS that was placed on your arm during your deployment. You cannot earn more than 1 per deployment, no matter where you go or how many units you’re “attached” to.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 9:54 AM

2020-05-27T09:54:37-04:00

See that’s what I thought. I appreciate it, guys!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 10:05 AM

2020-05-27T10:05:21-04:00

The answer is most likely yes. See the HQDA G1 memo at:
https://www.milsuite.mil/book/docs/DOC-614378

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Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made May 27 at 2020 10:17 AM

2020-05-27T10:17:51-04:00

AR 670-1 Chapter 21-17: Shoulder sleeve insignia-former wartime service. A deployed unit (company or higher) will wear its unit SSI as the SSI-FWTS, regardless of the headquarters element deploying and the unit alignment or OPCON during the period of deployment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 12:32 PM

2020-05-27T12:32:09-04:00

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 12:32 PM

2020-05-27T12:32:39-04:00

Gotta give that one to the Colonel. Lol

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 8:41 PM

2020-05-27T20:41:38-04:00

The memo is dated 20 April 2019 and this is the text:

MEMORANDUM FOR SEE DISTRIBUTION
APR 2 ~ 2019
SUBJECT: Wear Guidance for the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia-Former Wartime Service
(SSl-FWTS) far the Sustainment Brigades
1. References:
a. Army Regulation (AR) 670-1, (Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms
and Insignia) 25 May 2017.
b. Department of the Army Pamphlet 670-1 (Guide to the Wear and
Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia), 25 May 2017.
2. Effective immediately all Soldiers who previously deployed with a Sustainment
Brigade, other units attached or with a temporary assigned unit in an area of operation
and earned the SSl-FWTS will wear either the Division SSI, the unit attached, the
temporary assigned unit or the Sustainment Brigade the Soldier deployed with as the
SSl-FWTS.
3. In 2015, the Army aligned the Sustainment Brigades under the Divisions and were
directed to wear the Division SSI. These alignments balance the advantages of longterm
relationships between units versus relationships based on mission, regional
combatant commands, or contingency focus. As a result of this, the legacy SSls will be
unavailable for purchase due to vendors discontinuing the manufacture of the SS ls.
4. The point of contact for this action is SGM Edwin Carrusini, Uniform Policy Branch at
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Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made May 28 at 2020 10:02 AM

2020-05-28T10:02:32-04:00

Not really complicated, as I recall. Went to RVN with 199th Inf Bde and wore that on my left shoulder when I wore one. After 6months moved to IIFFV. Had a mama san put that on left shoulder and put 199th on right. Went to 6th US Cavalry (real horny horses, not the pretenders in TX that called themselves the 6th US Cavalry Bde), put Horny Horse on left shoulder and about half and half with 199th Inf and IIFFV on right shoulders. Best go by what you wore on your left shoulder and you shan't go wrong.