Can I be discharged for a pre existing condition even though I disclosed that information to my recruiter?

PV2 Cliff Barber — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:36:29 -0400

My recruiter knew that I had epilepsy prior to me joining the military and I was able to enlist. Apparently he never put that bit of information in the paperwork and three years later I was discharged without any benefits. Are they allowed to do that and is there any way that I can fight that to get reinstated?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2019 11:02 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 23:02:31 -0400

PV2 Cliff Barber You may have disclosed it to your recruiter, but why did you fail to mention it on the MEPS Health questionnaires?

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 12 at 2019 1:06 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Fri, 12 Apr 2019 01:06:37 -0400

If I get this story right, the recruiter told you to lie on your resume/disclosure. You then knowingly, or should have known, lied. The recruiter misled you. That mistake doesn't mitigate medical. If you were let go simply due to medical, count your blessings as a worse Separation Code could have been applied that would be an albatross hanging on your neck following you around in the CIV world. You must know recruiters can't make medical diagnosis/prognosis, risk decisions. Take it as a learning experience about being a forthright adult and move on. The system won't care about your story as it will always be easy to compare the condition to disqualifying factors, stop there, and move on to candidates without disqualifying conditions. There will be some RP members with bleeding hearts who will cheer you on. I highly recommend you not bleed with them and focus on moving forward every day to an obtainable life.

Response by SGT Everett Bickford made Apr 12 at 2019 8:05 AM

SGT Everett Bickford — Fri, 12 Apr 2019 08:05:23 -0400

My son had a/some {I don't know all of the details} seizure/s while on active duty. His unit was preparing to be deployed. He was denied opportunity to deploy with them. He was denied opportunity to reclass. (change MOS) He was denied opportunity to reenlist when that time came. He then joined a Guard unit and was deployed.
I don't know enough details to give you specifics, but it appears that there are some "back door' methods of reentering the "military."

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2019 8:06 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Apr 2019 08:06:28 -0400

It doesn't matter if your recruiter knew.
On block 15a of the DD 2807, where you were asked "HAVE YOU EVER HAD OR DO YOU NOW HAVE: Seizures, convulsions, epilepsy or fits?"
You lied on this question and signed the form.
And the very top of that form warns you that lying on this can result in fines and jail time.
That is a Fraudulent Enlistment and violation of ART 83, UCMJ resulting in up to a Dishonorable Discharge and up to two years confinement.
Yes, they are "allowed to do that".
If you get an RE 4, there is nothing to fight.
If you get an RE 3, there is a chance you can get a waiver to get back in, but now you have to answer yes to the epilepsy question AND 26."Have you ever been discharged from military service for any reason?"

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2019 10:27 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Apr 2019 10:27:31 -0400

You disclosed it to your Recruiter but failed to mention this as MEPS.....you withheld medically important information and signed the document stating that the information you provided is true? This is fraudulent enlistment. You purposefully lied and broke the law. You should be lucky that getting discharged with no benefits is the only thing that happened to you.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 13 at 2019 10:14 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:14:52 -0400

YES,YES- 1. The Recruiter isn't God and some are less than pristine. 2. You signed numerous documents doing the contract which asked if all were true to the best of your knowledge. So legally you lied to the Govt and lied by omission. 3. The is called FRAUDULENT enlistment = Automatic Discharge. Hell Kid they could have brought UCMJ charges against you before the discharge. I doubt you could find a lawyer nor have enough money to pay hem to touch this- because it's ALL your fault.