SGT Private RallyPoint Member 4355340 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can I counsel a soldier for not showing up on sunday TA 50 layout? He said he wont do that unless he gets his time back on monday. 2019-02-10T03:25:09-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 4355340

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can I counsel a soldier for not showing up on sunday TA 50 layout? He said he wont do that unless he gets his time back on monday.

2019-02-10T03:25:09-05:00 2019-02-10T03:25:09-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 4355346

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. Failure to follow orders. But why would ypu schedule a TA50 layout on a Sunday may I ask?

2019-02-10T03:36:40-05:00 2019-02-10T03:36:40-05:00 SSG Howard Fair 4355362

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Of course what&#39;s the army coming to?

2019-02-10T04:04:35-05:00 2019-02-10T04:04:35-05:00 SSG Cory Bacon 4355503

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Generally speaking, this can fall under the &quot;soldier 24/7&quot; concept. If you&#39;re looking for a specific rule/regulation this falls under, it doesn&#39;t technically exist, as weekend hours are generally considered mission essential. Is there a particular mission upcoming that the layout needs to be completed for? If not, I&#39;d check with your specific unit&#39;s SOP and/or the installation&#39;s SOP. 99% of CGs will authorize weekend hours to get the job completed, but if you&#39;re concerned, that&#39;s a good place to start. If you can&#39;t find anything in any of those that say you can&#39;t, then you&#39;re allowed to.<br /><br />I&#39;d just make sure there&#39;s no time during the week you could possibly fit it in. Unnecessary work on the weekends can kill morale, so I&#39;d only do that if absolutely necessary. There&#39;s no specific rule governing against it, I&#39;d just make sure the potential negative effect is worth accomplishing the task.

2019-02-10T07:31:27-05:00 2019-02-10T07:31:27-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 4355745

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, failure to report. The unit should have better planning to avoid having to work on a sunday. But I have not come across a reg. that states you cant work on sundays without comp time.

2019-02-10T08:57:27-05:00 2019-02-10T08:57:27-05:00 SGT Joseph Gunderson 4355991

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Of course! You&#39;re a soldier 24/7 and if he doesn&#39;t like it, well, he can choose to not reenlist. (Or go AWOL I suppose but that isn&#39;t the recommended course of action).

2019-02-10T10:30:39-05:00 2019-02-10T10:30:39-05:00 SGM Bill Frazer 4356435

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Show me the regulation on compensatory time- if it&#39;s 24 hr duty then there is none. You can counsel, you can also UCMJ for Failure to appear, Missing formation, disregarding an order. Maybe the SM would like a field grade ART 15- there is enough charges you could bring to push it. By the way like the sniveling lil snowflake read this!~

2019-02-10T13:18:36-05:00 2019-02-10T13:18:36-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 4356564

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH......I&#39;m sorry. I had to laugh at that one. Counsel the Soldier that if they fail to report to TA-50 Layout per the directive of the 1SG, then no only will they not get that time back, but they will also not get the additional 14 days of time back from the Extra Duty they will be performing from that Article 15 for Failure to Report....

2019-02-10T14:33:54-05:00 2019-02-10T14:33:54-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 4356747

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You can counsel someone for anything. It&#39;s just a written proof of a verbal statement.<br />I think a better choice may be to punish them for a failure to report, but I&#39;m old school like that. <br />If the SM feels you owe them for a Sunday, I suggest volunteering them for EVERY SINGLE Saturday staff duty and staff CQ shift in your company or battalion, plus any after hours details your unit may need. When I was in 3ID we had to dig through dumpsters and separate recycling; that sounds like a great job at 1800 on a weekday.

2019-02-10T15:56:13-05:00 2019-02-10T15:56:13-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 4356881

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Got to love Generation Z. I suggest making him come in a couple Sundays for a layout.

2019-02-10T16:52:23-05:00 2019-02-10T16:52:23-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 4357402

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t disagree that a Soldier is subject to duty 24/7/365, and admit that a Soldier having the audacity to demand comp time from me would have certainly been newly assigned to the unit, and it would have resulted in a significant emotional event, and any combination of counseling, correct training, and corrective training physical exercise.<br />That said, where does your COC and NCOSC stand on this issue? <br />Was it on the training schedule?<br />Do unit norms require approval of weekend duty to be approved, and/or it be placed on the training schedule?<br />Why wasn&#39;t the inspection scheduled during normal duty hours?<br />Who approved it, or directed it, and do unit norms authorize the person in that position to order it so?<br /><br />I don&#39;t know of any reason, or regulation, that would prohibit conducting a TA-50 layout on Sat, Aun, or 2100 Hrs Friday evening.<br />(I am still trying to imagine a Soldier demanding comp time)<br />My purpose for asking these questions is simple: You need to know your authority.<br />The fact that you asked the question, suggests you aren&#39;t certain of your authority. Learn your authority, and the source of it.<br />Soldiers sense weakness. Doubt is weakness. (See UCMJ, AR 600-20, 4-6, 4-20, and FM 7-22 5-15 for guidance).<br />Don&#39;t take it personal either. The challenge is between the Soldier and the task or standard, not between you and the Soldier. It is your duty to train the standard, enforce the standard, and take corrective action when a Soldier fails to meet the standard.

2019-02-10T20:30:46-05:00 2019-02-10T20:30:46-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 4358016

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes

2019-02-11T06:27:43-05:00 2019-02-11T06:27:43-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 4358265

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How dare you, Sergeant! Don&#39;t you realize he has video games that need to be played? There also better be ice cream and cookies waiting on Monday. I&#39;m so offended that I&#39;m going to contact IG on his behalf.<br /><br />But seriously, this guy sounds like he&#39;s on a slippery slope to Shitbagville. Thinking as his peer (or thinking ahead as a future NCO) it sounds like something that could be fixed with a little free PT (counseling may or may not be effective depending on the soldier, everyone hates being forced to workout). If I saw my peer being smoked for this I would feel one or both of the following: I&#39;d appreciate it because he decided to be a sleezball and I did what I was supposed to AND/OR I&#39;d know not to play games with you and any thought of pulling the same stunt would disappear.<br /><br />Hope my unsolicited opinion gives some millennial-soldier perspective

2019-02-11T08:29:05-05:00 2019-02-11T08:29:05-05:00 CSM Richard StCyr 4358752

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, If the training event was on the training schedule or notice was given prior. Unless your command or post has a policy that limits or forbids weekend training events. I can think of several logical instances where it would make sense to do your layout on a Sunday.<br />Time back! what a concept, the troops on Army time 24/7. Since when do troops give SGTs ultimatums.

2019-02-11T11:36:50-05:00 2019-02-11T11:36:50-05:00 SFC Jimmy Williams 4358786

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There have always been Latrine Lawyers who say the leadership can&#39;t do this or that.<br />At my first unit post Vietnam we had a PLT with drug, discipline, etc troubles. We had the old WWII wooden barracks. 2 were renovated into 2 man rooms and given to our third plt. The new PSG wouldn&#39;t put up with their crap and moved the PLT out onto the lawn in pup tents for a month and gave the renovated BKS to another PLT. The crap house lawyers were working over time. But the PSG did his homework and they stayed in pup tents for a month and he dared them to not keep the BKS straight or get out of line again.<br />3rd became the best PLT in the company.

2019-02-11T11:47:25-05:00 2019-02-11T11:47:25-05:00 Maj John Bell 4510989

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If so far all he has done is threaten not to show up. I&#39;d have him hand write then sign and date the entire text of articles 86 and 91 of the UCMJ. If your legal clerk is a notary or if you have a notary in the unit, I&#39;d have his signature notarized. I&#39;d have him lock his body, look him straight in the eyes and ask him if he understands the two articles he just copied. I would then explain that he just volunteered for every after hours and day off detail I can give him until one of the three conditions is met:<br />1) Somebody else pisses me off more than he just did.<br />2) One of the two of us PCS&#39;s or ETS&#39;s<br />3) He demonstrates over a period of several months that he has corrected his head space and timing error and offers a sincere apology. <br /><br />If he actually failed to show up and his understanding of his place in the food chain is that far off, I&#39;d charge him and at every step in the chain of command, at the appropriate time and place I&#39;d make it clear that this turd needs to be flushed.

2019-04-03T14:39:08-04:00 2019-04-03T14:39:08-04:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 4511578

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Make him come in on the weekends in the morning and evenings to sign in with the CQ since he has trouble being showing up for a place of duty.

2019-04-03T18:20:27-04:00 2019-04-03T18:20:27-04:00 2019-02-10T03:25:09-05:00