Posted on Mar 3, 2019
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Good Afternoon RP,
I am Currently putting my WOFT packet together and most of it is complete. I Just need to get my physical completed, finish my resume, and get recommendations. I am seeking assistance from a senior Chief Warrant Officer.
For starters, I only got a 59 on the SIFT and semi-worried that it is not high enough to be picked up with.
I have a PT Score of 256, not sure if that's high enough or if I need to drastically increase the score to be considered.
The "why I want to be an aviator" section seems hard as I do not want to sound silly and write, "because I want to fly," but I also don't want to sound too cocky of why I would be a good leader if selected as a warrant officer.
My vision is around 20/40, I wear glasses that correct to 20/15. I believe that is good enough.
Lastly, prior to joining the military, I had juvenile law convictions (2, 1 of which was dropped but still has to be stated). When I joined, I believe I had a moral waiver, will I need another moral waiver from USAREC in order to apply?

Any additional information couldn't hurt,

v/r,

PFC Perry, Jacob D.
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- Don't worry about your SIFT score. Despite the range being 40-80, the average score is actually pretty low (40-50). I have three friends doing packets that scored 44, 48 and 49 themselves, whereas I scored a 56. I was disappointed with my score for personal reasons, but everyone praised me for how well I did.

- Your PT score is fine. Should you shoot for a higher score? Absolutely. Don't settle for what you are at now. Always look to improve yourself. If you can crank out a 270/280+ before you submit your packet, then take another for record!

- As for your vision - https://recruiting.army.mil/ISO/AWOR/BASIC_QUALIFICATION/
"and have 20/50 distant visual acuity, correctable with spectacles to 20/20, also note there is an Aeromedical refractive error exception to policy (LASIK/PRK information)."

- If you required a moral waiver prior to joining, then yes, you will need to submit another moral waiver with your WOC packet. They highly suggest that with any waiver you submit, back date your packet submission at least a month so they can process the waiver without delaying your packet and possibly missing the deadline for that board date. Read up here for more information regarding waivers - https://recruiting.army.mil/ISO/AWOR/WAIVER_ETP/

Now, my personal advice as someone who was recently selected for WOCS, you should really focus on the parts of the packet that you'll be writing. USAREC Form 3.2, which includes your Resume (arguably the most important), Military Education / Experience and Civilian Experience, as well as your Letters of Recommendation.

My advice is to head over to the CAB and go chat with some of the Warrants there. You'll find most are laid back and more than happy to assist you with your packet. I asked a few of the Pilots that work in my hangar for help and they provided me their packets as a reference. This was immensely helpful for putting my packet together, but more importantly I had an idea of where to start with the important pieces like the Resume and LOR's (These were the hardest things for me to complete personally). Lastly, ask others to proofread everything you have! The more pairs of eyes you have reviewing your packet, the better off you will be. My Uncle (retired Navy Cmdr) provided invaluable advice and suggestions with my resume that I have no doubts contributed to my packet being accepted.

One last bit of advice I have is to save your DA Photo for last. It needs to reflect what is on your ERB. So if you get a new award/ribbon or get promoted prior to submitting your packet, you have to redo your Photo and the DA Photo Studio is not very fond of doing reshoots for lower enlisted (ask me how I know...)

If you have any other questions feel free to reach out to me.
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Roger that on PT and SIFT. I just took my DA Photo today. They’re wanting to send me to Air Assault in April and GAFPB in April. So should I try and get in my ERB before I get those awards?
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If you submit your packet prior to graduating these courses, then you would be fine. However, once you graduate those courses and your ERB is updated, then your ASU's are expected to reflect what your ERB says.
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Capt Daniel Goodman has good advice. I think it’s honest to start your Why I want to be an Aviation WO with I want to fly. Every pilot I know wants to fly as much as possible. You will need to explain the Why behind the opening sentence. Read up on Military Aviation history. Pay particular attention to the use of the helicopter and evolving tactics in Vietnam and Desert Storm.
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Much appreciated...I obv perceive your point, I just find, as I'd said, the same basic lack quite frequently of concrete details in doing such essays...I'd !erely point out that, in getting the kind of flight exposure I'd explaimed, or even seeking it, concrete details very often, even if free associated into an essay, often generally help an essay for such a purpose pretty much write itself, as opposed to trying to create some sort of nebulous written passage devoid of the concrete...I learned a long time ago there are always basically three parts to any interview...first, everyboey's brilliant, or tries to act it...second, everybody's motivated, or at least tries to seem it...third, the only thing he interviewee can't control, is whether the interviewers like them, that's why the more concrete you are, generally, even if not necessarily always, the greater the likelihood that, if nothing else, at least one won't be vague, if nothing else, you know? I'll grant also that doesn't always work, certainly, however, it's pretty much the only aspect of an interview, whether in person, or in writing, that one can reasonably have any hope of trying to control, you know?
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Whenever I see career/educ questions like your, I typically find the same characteristics in indiv descriptions, pretty uniformly. You need to majoi elaborate, AP credits in high school, if avail, achievements or youth group involvement Luke Civil Air Patrol (CAP), JROTC, Naval Sea Cadets, Boy Scouts, or church groups. You need to give your hobbies, interests, reading tastes, and sports, incl any martial arts, e.g, any Army sport tea!s, e.g., boxing, or Army Combatives or USMC MCMAP. Go into any coursework for assocs, Bach, i don't tink you'd likely be at grad level, most likely, though, you need to understand, all commissioned in all svcs, warrant, o know only high school is needed to submit for flight, type must get at least a masters, it not PhD, to stay in long term, if you haven't started coursework, that's an absolute must, go into what majors would interest you, or range tereof, whether you've also considered any ROTCs, USMC platoon leaders course (PLC), which is less well known, or, being as you're clinical, I'd seen, whether you'd thought about going higher at all on the clinical side, aside from flight, e.g., EMT/paramedic, which I gather is the level you're essentially at now, trying for higher, LPN, RN, voc nurse, the intersvc PA program at Ft Sam Houston, or the intersvc program to encourage those enlisted who want medicine, I know it exists. I was Army ROTC 3 yrs, hen went USAF OTS, I wasn't prior enlisted, though I knew many at USAF OTS who were, I freq envied them the greater ease of adjustment that exposure gave them, they often had a far easier time, knowing far more about how to function in the role...I did do the aeromed eval for naval flight ofcr (NFO), the equiv of nav.weapon systems ofcr (WSO) in the other svcs, I don't know if nav/WSO exists in Army for fixed or rotary wing, if it does, you should, in my view, broaden your acceptance spectrum to incl back seat spots as aircrew, not just insisting on pilot or aviator, for multiple reasons...first, it's often umrealistoc, either due to visual acuity, or color blindness, astigmatism, eye hand coordination, what have you...second, it:s also needlessly marrowminded, as I've read of many instances, incl while I was in, though I was never able to go intersvc to Navy despite having passed the aeromed eval for NFO, where nav/NFO/WSO can frequently eventually lead to pilot/aviator later on, further, USAF, while I'd been in, had also opened unit command eventually to navs, not solely pilots any longer, I explicitly remember hearing that...when I was at USAF OTS, the prospectives for so called rated slots, those slated for UPT or UNT, for pilot or mav training, would often march past us, they were kept under far tighter discipline, I was going engineering nonrated line Reserve commission, though I did 4 yrs active thereafter, my next younger brother, who'd been USMMA Kings Point, I commissioned him when he finished, had a chance to go to Pensacola for flight, he didn't want it and passed on it, which has long bugged him though he rarely speaks of it, for a long time, he went Merchant Marine instead, then Navy civil svc...if you've done coursework, you need to give us, if possible, exact actual course titles, preferably right off your transcripts, the more you give us, the more we can all help you, that incls grades and GPAs, incl in high school, and also where you placed in your class, if known. Now, as to flight itself, I never cease to me amazed by the fact that those on here who want flight, either needlessly restrict themselves to pilot or aviator, plus, they don't look at other svcs besides the one teyre in, they often don't do college level coursework to prepare, they're not aware of other less well known flight options like the NOAA Commissioned Corps which does pure science, is the smallest of the svcs, yet has a 5 yr flight programs with heir own fixed and rotary wing aircraft...I've also seen material on here about Army fixed wing which def does exist, though I'm unsure if warrants can compete for it, as opposed to solely rotary wing...then, too, most on here seeking flight often don't know about applying to military colleges or don't consider them, e.g., the three main academy prep schools, for West Point, Annapolis, and USAFA, as well as the military junior colleges, like Valley Forge in PA, he state maritime colleges, which I very nearly submitted to in NU, the SUNY Maritime College, I have friends who've gone, I often kick myself about that, certainly, VMI where my nest friend in USAF went AFROTC, as well as the Citadel in SC, those last Twp are the West Points of the South...now, if you REALLY want flight and not more clinical, and only you can decide that, you need to actively prep to me taken seriously...there's a network of mil aero clubs acrossmthe IS, where you are might have one, where I was did, I didn't make proper or adequate use of it, I went up in light planes a cpl of times with instructors, that was it, you could try for FAA sport pilot, below private pilot, then private pilot, instrument rating, multiengine rating, and commercial rating...if they also have rotary wing under FAA, ask to be allowed to go up in a check ride for rotary wing, if only to get oriented, there are scads of YouTbe videos onfixed and rotary wing flight, that could be invaluable to you in absorbing info on actual flight instruction, aside from FAA licensure as well...I'm Jere of you wanna chat more, however, if you really wanna do this right, so we cwm all help you optimally, them give us what I've suggested here, so we have enough to go on...also, if youre serious about flight, you should also look at enlisted drone pilot, not just Army, also the other svcs, esp USAF, though not solely...your installation might alsp be near CAP and/or a USCG Aux flight flotilla, CAP uses their corporate light planes, USCG Aux has observer training, though its flight flotillas use member owned planes, CAP and USCG Aux differ in that regard, however, you could ask about trying to go up with them, you should also look at sailplane/glider flight, you might need to get such actiivities allowed, due to hazards that might conceivably interfere with your normal clinical MOS work, ask before you'd get involved, OK? No rush, I'm here to chat further whenever you went, imcam try to send you websites, everything I'd mentioned here is listed and searchable through Google, I assure you, OK?
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