Can I go to IG for being moved to s3?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:12:49 -0500

So back story:
I was talking with my PSG and PSG from a different company, and it came up that I could really use some rifle company time seeing as how I’ve been in a heavy weapons platoon for some time now. The PSG who is not mine said he would talk to his 1SG and see if they could use an nco. My PSG said he would talk to ours. Next thing I know my SGM is getting mad at me and said that I am back dooring him as well as my senior NCO’s and I am now going to s-3

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2019 1:24 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:24:47 -0500

As a former IG, what basis would you go to the IG for this issue? Soldiers always think the IG will tell a Commander what to do. That is the furthest thing from the truth. The IG will not do anything about this. This is a command issue. The IG will support the command and allow them to make a decision based on their needs 100 times out of 100!!!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2019 1:42 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:42:42 -0500

You think your SGM/CSM is mad now? Go to the IG without allowing them to address you and your issue, then see how mad he/she gets. WOW!

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Nov 21 at 2019 2:10 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:10:12 -0500

Seems like your PSG (if that was the case) need to clear that up with then SGM!

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Nov 21 at 2019 2:56 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:56:15 -0500

Well, looks like you're headed to a developmental staff slot at S3. The CSM can put you where ever he has an open slot for your MOS and grade on the MTOE.
The IG will only be interested if you end up in an MOS mismatch or slotted more than one grade below your current grade in your proper MOS, and then only if there are no shortages of the proper MOS for the mismatch in the unit. But "Can you go" Yes you can always go see the IG.

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Nov 21 at 2019 3:00 PM

MSG Gary Eckert — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:00:01 -0500

You could use some staff time so that you get a better understanding of process.
From your CSM's perspective, he gets a call from another organization to either find out about your duty performance (no one wants to take on a troublesome soldier) and/or to find out when you can report and he hasn't heard anything from your either your Chain of Command or you concerning your desire to leave. Then your CSM calls a guy like me, which ideally he could have done before you put yourself out there, to find out his if moving you is doable and I tell him "SGM you're killing me, I am fighting for bodies and now I have to explain to manpower why we are just giving them away."

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Nov 21 at 2019 3:47 PM

SGT Dave Tracy — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:47:06 -0500

Sounds like an informal discussion has morphed into something wholly different--and a lot uglier--than you probably imagined at the start of that conversation.

When I read your story, I thought working the chain-of-command is the 1st, best, and perhaps only path that even gives you a shot at fixing this predicament. After reading all MSG Private RallyPoint Member wrote, I'm even more convinced!

If this genuinely was just idol conversation whose after-effects have spiraled out of your control, I'm sorry to hear it. Even if it doesn't work out for you, no matter how much it sucks, take from the experience what you can and drive on; not for the benefit of the Army, but for yourself.

Good luck.

Response by SFC Scott Higgins made Nov 22 at 2019 7:44 AM

SFC Scott Higgins — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 07:44:50 -0500

SGT B R. First: Yes, soldiers can go to the IG for a variety of issues - this isn't one of them. Sure your SGM is mad. You did go through the back door, talking to a PSG from another company. If you wanted to transfer, keep it in-house. Go to your Platoon Sergeant privately, let him talk to your First Sergeant, who in turn will discuss with your SGM. Hopefully you would have gotten support from your chain of command for your request.

Second: So your SGM is placing you in S-3. What are you complaining about. S3 is responsible for training in a battalion. In a deployment, the S3 is in charge of operations planning. Training is the most important thing a unit can do second only to a deployment. Personally, I would consider it an honor to be in the S-3 for my unit. My advice DO NOT GO TO THE IG. At least for this. This is not a battle that you can win. More importantly, it is not one you should fight. Do your job sergeant. learn what you can and help your fellow soldiers learn to do theirs.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Nov 22 at 2019 10:20 AM

SGT Robert Wager — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:20:08 -0500

Sounds to
Me like there is a lot more to this story. Why is your name even on the CSM’s lips? NCO professional development is the CSM’s job. Was there a plan for you with the CSM before you talked to these two PSGs? Something doesn’t add up.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2019 11:45 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:45:09 -0500

If this move doesn't violate any policy or orders set forth by the Army, then this will not fall within the realm of IG.

Response by CPL Gary Pifer made Nov 22 at 2019 2:06 PM

CPL Gary Pifer — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:06:22 -0500

Bring doughnuts... if your goal is retirement.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2019 7:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:48:40 -0500

Get that staff time brother! It’s a good look!