Can I join the Army Reserves or National Guard if I am currently collecting compensation from the VA?

2014-02-27T11:01:48-05:00

I have been collecting disability compensation from the VA since October 2012 and I am also using my Post 9/11 GI Bill to attend college. I really miss the camaraderie and brotherhood I felt while in the military. I really want to join the Army reserves or the National Guard so I can still attend college but be part of the military again. Would I have to cancel all of my disability compensation? Is that even possible? Some one help me out. Thanks.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Feb 27 at 2014 11:21 AM

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Yes, you can. You just can't receive both VA compensation and drill pay at the exact same time. Since most people only drill for something like 40 calendar days a year, the rest of the year is unaffected. For drill days, I believe you get to choose whether you get paid via VA compensation or from drill pay, but I'm not sure about that.

Response by LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® made Feb 27 at 2014 11:33 AM

2014-02-27T11:33:07-05:00

yes you can, I am getting both. On some months though they will adjust my VA pay and lower it to offset my guard pay. If you are 90%, you will still get some of it even if you are in the guard. They will automatically adjust it for you. There is a lag time, so when they lower your disability to compensate for the guard pay, it will be for last year. They adjust it based on the number of drill days. You sign off on it when they send you the statement. Hope that helps.

Response by BG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2014 4:28 PM

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One of my Battalion Commanders works for the VA and gave us a pretty authoritative answer.  I had a number of Soldiers who were drilling for points only in order not to jeopardize their disability pay.  He let them know that they cannot receive military duty pay and disability pay for the same DAY.  Therefore, you can receive disability pay for 28 days a month and then thier military pay for two days covering their Battle Assembly.  Two days of drill pay should be much better than two days of disability pay.
 
Really glad to hear you are rejoining the ranks!

Response by SPC Jeremy Mays made Jun 30 at 2014 9:43 PM

2014-06-30T21:43:08-04:00

They will give you an option after the new year for the commander to sign, then depending on how many days you attended drill they will stop you compensation for that may days.. example you drill 56 days total all year then you will not get compensation taken for 2 months.. they will give you plenty of notice before..

Response by PFC Kyle Corcoran made Jul 4 at 2014 9:27 AM

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Thank you all for your input and general knowledge

Response by CPO George Bass made Jul 9 at 2014 12:22 PM

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Great quesiton and conversation, I have been very enlighten.

Response by COL Randall C. made Jul 11 at 2014 7:15 AM

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As others have pointed out, it's absolutely doable. One cautionary word though - you still have to meet the physical and medical standards or have been waivered in order to rejoin any COMPO of the service.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 8:49 PM

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You can. Go to your local recruiting station

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2015 8:55 PM

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This a very fact specific question. The simple answer is yes as long as you don't have a condition or take meds that make you non-deployable. As stated by others, you can't receive drill pay and VA disability concurrently. once a year you have to report the number of days you were paid for by the military to the VA and ellect if you want to loose those days in drill pay or VA disability. Simple math.

Response by BG David Fleming III made Mar 18 at 2015 10:01 PM

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It depends on the percent of your disability and if you can pass the entrance physical, and you would need to freeze your VA disability as long as you collect a drill pay. You can not get both. I have a friend in the Air Guard doing it now! His disability is more than his drill check therefore he is just drilling for points. Understand you will also need the VA to sign off on it! He is a Chaplain Assistant which allows him to work this option.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 9 at 2015 7:33 PM

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I assume it depends on your disability and your ability to successfully work in your MOS.

Response by SGT Beau Thomas made May 9 at 2015 8:07 PM

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The guard seems to be thinning the ranks. Many, many soldiers are getting flagged and booted for such things as failing two PT tests in a row. They are also out of money for schools, at least my battalion. So IMO, it will be difficult for you to get in the guard at this time. No money equals no waivers.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 30 at 2015 6:14 PM

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This makes my head hurt.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 12:40 AM

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It depends what the ratings are based on, and wheather your injuries would limit or prohibit you from performing your duties. I'm in the Oklahoma National Guard, I joined two days after my terminal leave was up, they knew up front I was broke coming in. Four months later the VA rated me at 60%, they said no problem. Now five years and a deployment later the VA has rated me at 70%, and still no problem.

As for the disability compensation. Technically you can not draw both a VA check and a Military check. So that can be handled one two ways. You can continue drawing the VA check and drill only for Retirement points. Meaning no money period under M-Day status, Annual Training or Schools listed under Title 32. Or you can draw both checks and forfeit your VA check one to two months on average every year. To pay back the overage the VA gave you over the year.

I one Soldier that told the VA to cancel his disability payments which the VA did do. However when he ETS' d and he went back to the VA to restart his disability claim, he literally had to start his claim over. That is what he told me personally.

Thats my two cents, Good Luck

Richard Aldrich
SGT, OKANG

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2015 7:21 PM

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I believe it depends on your medical condition and the percentage of disability you are collecting.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2015 3:20 AM

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As long it is not over 60% if I remember right. You would waiver your guard pay for VA or which ever is greater. You really need to talk to the VA counselor. Because it could affect you disability claim. Depending on the injury claim.
But with the down sizing I think you would have a really hard time getting in.

Response by PFC Kyle Corcoran made Aug 19 at 2015 11:42 AM

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Thank you so much everyone for taking your time and sharing some knowledge with me. To follow up on this, I did pursue joining the army again but I can not join the ranks due to my disability being a seizure disorder. It was pretty discouraging but it is what it is. Im still very thankful for the time I did serve and I am thankful for you that all continue to serve. Best damn job Ive ever had. PFC Corcoran out.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2015 11:44 PM

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Well. You may not. because you have to be "fit for duty." Yes there are servicemen who receive VA compensation benefits but they already in and have a PERMANENT PROFILE. But you cannot come in with a profile.... See. Active duty Soldiers (including some Reservist) Servicemen who got wounded they usually get reclassified to a more suitable MOS. In summary ONE MUST STAY IN. But I might be wrong. I suggest you talk to several recruiters and if they give you a Negative, ask them to show you such "policy" in writing.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2015 12:12 AM

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Same answer as Maj Ken Landgren. Read my other responses.

Response by MSG Carl Clark made Aug 20 at 2015 8:33 AM

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Yes you can in some cases. Go talk to a recruiter. Find one who cares and is willing to do paperwork, waivers, or whatever it takes.

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Aug 29 at 2015 3:57 PM

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Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Sep 1 at 2015 11:00 AM

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Sit down with your unit chain of command and discuss it with him/her.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Sep 10 at 2015 7:06 PM

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I am a drilling reservist and have a 100% rating by the VA. I drill for points only (except for a couple days during the year to keep my deficit that accrues down - for SGLI). Yes, you can be rated by the VA and serve in a TPU. Regarding retention: It's based on several things to include the potential of a med board (mine retained me). The minimum retention standard is as follows: You can qualify with your weapon, wear your LCE, wear a helmet and pass an APFT or alternate APFT (if med boarded). Bottom line: Each year (FEB - MAR) the VA will send you a letter that states they know you drilled for XX amount of days. If they skip you a year, they'll get you for two years. They go by FY, not CY. You and your commander will fill out the back, which will determine how many days you drilled for pay. You send it back to the VA. The VA will then withhold your check until that amount is repaid.

Note: If you are filing for disability or already have a rating, USE AN ADVOCATE - Don't try to deal with the VA directly. I go through Disabled American Veterans (DAV). You can pick your own advocate but I strongly recommend DAV.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Nov 10 at 2015 6:37 PM

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Yes, you can. my daughter in laws step father is in the reserves. He is collecting disability at 80%. He's in the reserves to make it to equivalent of 20 yrs so he can retire and receive retirement pay.

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Nov 11 at 2015 11:23 PM

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I would check and see if the reason you are getting disability pay can or will keep you from joining, deploying and other things like PT in the Reserves or Guard. You can call a Reserve Recruiter and find out if the REC code on your DD Form 214 keeps you from joining. I saw where someone mentioned you can be in the reserves/guard and still draw disability pay. You may keep your disability pay but have drill paydays taken out of it when you drill or do two weeks active. I wish you luck.

Response by PFC Kyle Corcoran made Nov 11 at 2015 11:30 PM

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Its amazing that this discussion has been viewed over 72,000 times. I hope the information shared has been helpful to more than just myself. Thank you everyone for your time and general knowledge.
Happy Veterans Day!

Response by COL Lowell Yarbrough made Nov 25 at 2015 10:17 AM

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Bottomline, as many of the posts show, each case is situational dependent; therefore, for anyone considering this option, recommend you talk with a Retention Officer/NCO and a Veterans Affairs Benefit Advisor (at a local VA facility or Regional office). By doing this, you get the information from those who know the law and regulations, as well as the exceptions to the regulations and law, and don't have to decide if you fit the mode of the one giving his or her situational answer.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 12:09 PM

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UGH. I know soldiers in the Reserves who get 100% disability from VA. They don't get paid from the Army. They are also non deployable which in my opinion makes them absolutely worthless to the Army. But as an NCO I don't get to write policy, just enforce it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2016 8:13 PM

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Yes you can, however, there are limitations to collecting both at the same time. Get in contact with your VA rep. and with retention and they together would be able to not only get you back in, but give you guidance on how to get both disability and BA pay. Good luck

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2016 4:08 PM

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I really thought this was a joke.....learn something new everyday.....but I guess the obvious question is.....why would the reserves or NG take someone that is a disabled veteran?

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jan 22 at 2016 4:14 PM

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Kyle, first of Uncle Sam will not give you two checks, so you have to decide which check is bigger disability at your % which is tax free or drill pay at your rank which is taxed. Also most unit will give priority to a soldier that can deploy; remember force reduction too.

Response by MG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2016 4:27 PM

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It depends. If you are in the Reserve you can draw a VA disability payment for the days you are not on duty. Of course you would still have to be able to perform your MOS. welcome back

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2016 5:15 PM

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Listen here. I'm not going to sugar coat this.

Why the hell..would you come back in the army?

Seriously. I don't know what happened to you for you to be drawing disability. It honestly doesn't matter. What matters here is that lets say you come back in as a PFC? You were a 13F? you think you can continuing working that as a PMOS? Lets say you pick up one of the softer jobs in our military. How limiting in your disability? Can you preform basic lower level joe tasks? can't lift an amount of weight that would be expected of another similar in your rank? stand around for x amount of time?

Yea I understand you miss the comaraderie but you coming back in while already broken. Now you're going to go into a unit and fill a slot that could have went to a completely healthy E3. Remember the commonly joked slaying "lift with your Privates, not your back" cause it is true. Bottom of the totem pole, manual labor heavy labor is to be expected. If you can't preform even that much. You're a weak link, you're dead weight now to your battle buddies.

Yes there are a lot of people in our ranks that are broken. Broken permanently but remain within the ranks. The good majority though are SMs with years upon years of time in the service and can still be utilized positively by the army due to their experience and developed skills during service.
Do yourself a favor. Do a favor for those soldiers you would have came back in to work with. and just stay out. You want the camaraderie back? Get yourself involved in veteran groups.

Don't read this like I'm calling you some shitbag- I'm not. You joined the army, served your time, deployed, got hurt and then got out on an honorable discharge. Thank you for your service. But be honest with yourself. Hard deep look at yourself. Can you come back in and be a beneficial asset to your gaining unit?

Response by MSG Dan Gastelum made Jan 22 at 2016 5:17 PM

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As long as you are not drawing more than 30% and it also depends on your disabilities.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Jan 22 at 2016 5:25 PM

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I am at 100% total-and I think that when you are SC (service connected), then you need to stay out of active or reserve cause you are injuring yourself further and could cause danger to your comrades. You can still 'have your finger in the cookie jar' by volunteering at the VAMC, or become a service officer, just don't do something to injure yourself further. That's what I do-I volunteer and boost my morale and anm there for all my friends in the VA

Response by SMSgt Ryan King made Jan 22 at 2016 5:33 PM

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In my humble opinion what ever the rules are, if you are not deployable you have no business being in the guard or reserves. A disability is a disability and if you are collecting that it means you can no longer provide the skills needed to meet your career field requirements. If you cross trained into a different field that meets your disability requirements then that would be another story. Missing information makes it hard to understand.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2016 8:51 PM

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The problem is that most full timers in the National Guard or Reserve do not know how to implement this policy which means you be screw and will be force to pay the assembly drills to the Government.

Response by Cpl Gerard Babin made Jan 23 at 2016 11:59 AM

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You dont rate a pay check for a disability if you can serve. There is no honor in it. Choose - Service or payday? You cannot and do not deserve both. I would gladly give up my check to serve again.
Currently rated @ 50% (SHould be 100%) I'd still give it up to go back to the field.

Response by CPO Mohadib Paul made Jan 23 at 2016 7:07 PM

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No, you can't.

Response by Sgt Christopher Lowry made Jan 24 at 2016 12:58 AM

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I considered joining the National Guard in 2009 after my discharge from the Marines in 2007. I was rated 60% disabled by the VA.

I was informed that I exceeded the maximum disability rating (30%) for service in the Army, but I could ask the VA to reassess my disability rating; at which point I may be considered for service.

I chose not to join the Guard (for several reasons).

Response by SFC Corrie Meade made Jan 24 at 2016 6:03 AM

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as long as your rating isnt over 20% you can enlist in the reserves

Response by SGT Michael Myers made Jan 25 at 2016 12:09 AM

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Yes you can join the National Guard/Reserves. I got off active duty August 2013. I receive 40% VA disability and was able to do the reserves still. They even sent me to Drill Setgeant School. They way the VA works it out is they take the amount of "Active Duty Days" you serve in the past year and do not pay you your VA disability for that amount of days. For instance, the past two month I have not received a check from the VA because I served over 2 months worth of days due to Drill Sergeant School and my monthly drill.

Response by SSG(P) Erik Hein made Jan 25 at 2016 3:50 PM

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As an AGR Training NCO for my unit, I recall enlisting several prior service members receiving compensation. I would confirm with a recruiter. They will be more than happy to help you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 5:54 AM

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The answer is Yes; However, you cannot receive military duty pay and disability pay for the same day. For example when you go to annual training that is maybe 2 to 3 weeks that's you'll see a big change unless you are have a high percentage of disability pay.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 3:25 PM

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Obviously you have to be medically qualified for the military. Therefore depends on the condition you are being compensated for. As some have said the subtract the days you are recieving drill or annual training pay. Normally better to take drill pay than VA comp. However drill pay is taxable, VA comp is not. You should compare after subtracting roughly 25 % of drill pay (depending on your bracket.) If you drill for points, then you stiiil get credit for a reserve retirement. If your injury does not qualify for reserve/Guard service than consider your state defense force (much less strict on medical) if your state has an active force or look at Coast Guard Aux. That way you can be involved with supporting our troops and serving your country and community in a military-type environment.

Response by SPC Anne Miller made Jan 26 at 2016 7:31 PM

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Yes, I think it would cancel it out. Can't "double-dip". But, I do relate and applaud your sense of still wanting to serve and missing the camaraderie. It has been the same for me. I was separated in 1998, and I still feel the transition crisis. I think you may have found the right place.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Jan 26 at 2016 8:32 PM

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Kyle,
Don't do it! You will be required to pay back every dollar you earn in the reserves or Guard back to the VA!!! Not worth it. It is also not worth the risk of having a Toxic Leader who may jeopardize your career inside the military or outside - and you can be certain that if a medical issue keeps you from being at drill on time, missing drill or not performing well on a PT test - leaders in the Guard or Reserve (some who may not have deployed), will likely not care and will likely write you up and process you for malingering or a multitude of other things - which could lead to an other than honorable discharge or separation. Be proud of your service already, join the VFW and/or American Legion if you seek to reconnect with a brotherhood and camaraderie. Also, if you are considering other civilian careers, don't take a chance on letting the military cause you further injury or time away from a career that you should be totally devoted to. Hope this helps and best of luck!

Response by MSgt Daniel Hazell made Jan 26 at 2016 11:24 PM

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Yes you can join the National Guard or the Reserves and still be collecting VA disability compensation. However, you can not collect both. The VA gets a report that identifies every reservist and guardsmen that is receiving comp pay that shows the number of days they drilled for the fiscal year (FY), based off of this report the VA then will do a pay adjustment. You can elect to waive your drill pay or your comp for the number of days that you drilled for the FY. For example in FY 2014 you drilled for 60 days and you elected to wave your VA comp, the VA would withhold 60 days (2 months) worth of your future VA comp.

Response by SGT Ben Crowley made Jan 29 at 2016 2:07 PM

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I lost a leg below the knee in Afghanistan in 2005. When I med boarded out in 2006 it was right before they started letting functional leg amputees stay in if you could handle it. I tried to join the National Guard and was counseled that I would lose all my VA benefits, but the recruiter now appears he may have been misinformed.
Too bad. I am too old now but would have loved to have continued to serve.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2016 3:45 PM

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I'm sorry for your disorder but seizing while weapons qual may be a bit of a risk.

Response by SSG Martin Petersen made Jan 29 at 2016 5:45 PM

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If you join the reserves or guard, you can still collect your service connected disability, but if you go on orders, they have to be suspended, i.e. Annual Training and Deployments.

Response by SGT Paul Ernst made Jan 29 at 2016 6:34 PM

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Bottom line dude, stick with what you are doing now. I miss it too, but sometimes you just have to throw in the towel. If you miss the comraderie, volunteer at the va, hang out with the vets at school. Something. Just don't double dip.

Response by SGT Derek Threeton made Jan 29 at 2016 6:34 PM

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30 percent VA disability is the cut off to get back in. No branch, reserves or guard will take you back if you are more than that. There are ways around it if you are more than 30 percent, but it's pretty difficult. You would have to waive your disability from the va and get a physician to give you a re-evaluation and then try to start the process with the recruiters and even then, it's a small chance they will take you.

Response by CWO5 Tony Henriquez made Jan 29 at 2016 7:30 PM

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But if you are receiving disability because obviously something hurts or not functioning properly, why would you be able to join the reserves? That's waste fraud and abuse. Active duty guys can't do it, why should Guard and reserve member? We are on the same team right?

Response by SSG Lr Sanders made Jan 29 at 2016 7:40 PM

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I was 40% service connected and was told by the National Guard recruiter that I couldn't enlist in the national guard unless I gave up 10% of my service connected disability. He said that it maxed out at 30% for prior service recruits. However, I have a friend that just retired from the Reserves and she was 60% service connected while on active duty. She did have to waive VA compensation benefits while she was mobilized. Hope this helps.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2016 8:06 PM

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The National Guard will take you as long as you are rated 60% or less, and provided your disability does not hinder you in your job perform or APFT.

In 2010 I left AD and joined the OKANG, after joining the VA rated me at 60%. I drew both, a Drill check and VA Compensation check. At the beginning of the fiscal year the VA would stop my Compensation till they recouped their money for the year. 2013 and 2014 the VA suspended my Compensation since I gave them a copy of my Deployment Orders. Mid 2014 I returned home and I started receiving VA Compensation at the 60% rating and my Drill Checks once again. In the fall of 2015 my VA rating increased to 100%. At 100% I drill for retirement points only because my two day Drill check doesn't come close to the VA Competition for the same time. Because of my disabilities I can't pass the APFT, so in June of this year I will ETS. I hope this helps.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2016 12:08 AM

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Yes you can. I drill and aloud max of 54 days if I go over they take my benefits.

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Jan 30 at 2016 11:06 AM

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And how would you be able to physically and mentally be able to handle that? You are disabled now.... no? If not, then why take disability in the first place?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2016 1:20 PM

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You do not have to cancel your compensation. It gets pro-rated, and taken out of future payments. It is pretty automated, and they send you a letter every spring or so to let you know.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jan 30 at 2016 5:30 PM

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Wounded in combat?

Response by CPL James Mellar made Jan 30 at 2016 10:12 PM

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I am a 100% disabled veteran. After being injured in the Army, I got out after, waiting for the end of my term of service, rather than taking an early out, and was awarded a 10% disability. I went into the Army Reserves, and back then the Army allowed disabled veterans of 30% disability, and below, to serve in the active duty, and reserves, but you lost a month's pay, so something like that. In the reserves it was 1 month's pay. I don't know about active service. After getting out, my disability was re-rated, and the war in Iraq started, so the military raised is level above 30%. I was rated at 80% and I think the military cut off was like 70% (My memory may make me wrong) I believe the military may have raised its rating for disabled veterans since then, but I was raised to 100% and there is no way a 100% disabled veteran can serve. Now that the war may be winding down, the military probably will lower its allowable disability rating, because they would want perfectly healthy military members in all positions. The allowance of disabled veterans, in the service, is a stop gap measure to make sure vital positions are filled with qualified persons, as I believe. In times of peace non injured soldiers could be trained to qualify for those vital positions.

Response by Sgt Rick Orzechowski made Jan 30 at 2016 10:16 PM

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We always need good military people so I see no problem with this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2016 12:38 PM

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Depends on your rating? I have a soldier collecting 80% and he still actively drills. If you are already out of the militaty it may be difficult duebtobthebMEPS screening you will have to go through.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Jan 31 at 2016 2:24 PM

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If you are disabled, YOU ARE DISABLED. If you think you can go back then you are NOT disabled so STOP collecting the disability pay and RE-PAY the VA everything you've taken! What is so fucking hard about this??? These assholes think that they can do whatever they want! They seem to believe they have every right to determine when and how they get out. I've have several ratings from the VA but they're PROVEN. These fucks seem to be able to "claim" a disability and get it! (here comes the sarcasim) Oh, I'm butthurt so I get a disability because I think I deserve it! What the hell has happened to the military??? Where are ALL these SHITBAGS coming from and HOW are they getting through?????

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2016 5:36 PM

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A lot of the things Guard members get disability for are the same things that active duty members have problems with. The difference is that you are fully taken care of. If he is getting disability for hearing loss then who cares. I have served with numerous active duty soldiers that wear hearing aids. They to will be compensated when they get out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2016 8:38 PM

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I work at NGB within this specific area--- whether or not you are collecting disability pay is not the basis for criteria; there are many who have active claims who are approved for accession into the ARNG regularly. The basis for such approval is typically found within AR 40-501, Chapter 2 standards for enlistment/accession; this chapter pertains to the majority of the "prior service" applicants. It is NOT the sole reference, and medical waiver criteria varies, depending on several different variables. Either way, the answer is YES, however, I must adamantly advise any who are considering this option, to exercise full disclosure when documenting your past medical history with both the recruiter and the MEPS medical examiners; failing to report all medical history may result in separation under UCMJ for "Fraudulent Enlistment." We will verify that all information is accurate, and consistent, as the waiver approval authority is expected, and required, to complete a full review of the various medical record systems used throughout the DoD.

I hope this helps answer your question. Feel free to email me: [login to see] should there be more specific, or private, details which may be unique to your circumstances.

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 8:15 AM

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Yes.

Response by SGT John Schumacher made Feb 1 at 2016 9:01 AM

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years ago, I tried to do exactly what you're attempting. My advice is - don't. Yes, you can tell the VA that your disability no longer exists. You'll lose your monthly payments but you also lose the life time care for that disability. So you better be sure your issues are really completely corrected before doing that.

Even if all you have is a 10% rating for a scar on your face, you never know what might come up.

The recruiters told me anyone who has ever had a rating over 30% is permanently disqualified for enlisting.

Response by 1stSgt Rick Johnson made Feb 1 at 2016 9:39 AM

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I have after 37 years as a AF/ANG troop joined back at my unit as a SMR state military reserve. I also have a 30% disability.

Response by SFC Emil Lemay made Feb 1 at 2016 9:43 AM

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If your state has a defense force, you can also look there. They need prior service Soldiers who have been there, done that. Lots of opportunities for cameradirie, networking, and using civilian skills.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 9:57 AM

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Nope just may lose a month or so a year automatically

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 10:49 AM

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Probably depends on your percentage. If over a certain percent you can only drill for points instead of pay.

Response by SGT James Kirkley made Feb 1 at 2016 12:44 PM

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As long as you don't want to collect a check. I had 80% from my active duty time, and didn't receive a drill check for several years. Didn't do it for the money. Although, I was getting money from the VA.

Response by SFC John Mikelson made Feb 1 at 2016 3:45 PM

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If you can pass the physical retention standards and waive a percentage of your disability payments it can happen

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 7:59 PM

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If this soldier is going to come back in...he will have to go through MEPS and rejoin... they will have to reevaluate and make the decision from there..correct..please advise

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 8:59 PM

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It really depends on the percentage of disability. One of my guys was receiving 30% disability and was just fine in a drilling status. The issue came when he was on orders for any reason, like ADOS type orders or school orders.
When I was a dual status mil-tech my office partner was 20% and working as a mil-tech and drilling member of the Guard.

Its much easier prior to departure of the service, if you are IRR or ING you can come back in but to come back from the street is a different matter. You will get another physical and the outcome of that physical is really what will determine your path.

There are many other ways to feel the brotherhood, you can work with Family Readiness, or try to become a DA Civilian working on an installation. Work at the VA for example, they sure need the assistance.
My local VA Hospital is always looking for drivers to take members to appointments and such. That might be something you can do to feel part of something bigger if that is what you feel like you need.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 9:20 PM

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I'm currently 30% disabled and collecting a check from the VA. I'm in pain whether I'm serving my country or not. So I weighed my options and decided to bear the pain and continue serving my country in the reserves. I simply repay a small percentage of my disability every year to make up for the drill pay I receive. I still pass my PT tests and am not in any kind of profile. I'm disabled not crippled and I still have something left to offer my nation. Don't be so quick to judge.

Response by MSG Donald Bedford made Feb 1 at 2016 9:48 PM

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Your disability will be offset by your Drill pay.

Response by PO1 Michael Havner made Feb 2 at 2016 11:00 AM

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You can't collect VA disability while in uniform. You would have to give up the VA pension and then successfully pass entrance physical. Probably not going to happen.

Response by SFC Seth King made Feb 2 at 2016 11:30 AM

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After her active duty time, and due to injury, my wife collects 80% disability, uses her college benefits and is still in the reserves. Whatever she makes in drill pay is subtracted from her disability and taxed. She isn't ready to give up and still feels she contributes to the cause, more than some of her counterparts.

Response by SGM Art Stephens made Feb 2 at 2016 4:36 PM

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Yes you can join the guard/reserves, provided that you can pass the physical. However, your VA compensation will be offset by the number of training days you accrue each year... make sure you monitor it and submit the required documents... because the VA will come after you for recoupment of over payment.

Response by MSG James Strickland made Feb 2 at 2016 5:33 PM

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Good grief! Why would any commander want a disabled Soldier? Broke Soldiers just want to use the military for benefits. I retired after 23 years of active service. I collect Disability and wouldn't want to go back just to get hurt further. Sounds like the Solders aren't really disabled.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2016 6:43 PM

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if you are found fit for duty yes but you have to decide is the disability payment more or less than what you would recieve from drilling, that being said, you can drill for points or stop getting disability payments, its up to you, you cant get both, if you cancel disabillity you will eventually have to reapply, the waiting time is long but it might be worth it talk to your local county veterans rep they have the knowledge and experiance

Response by Cadet 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2016 7:34 PM

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Maybe you could learn to adapt to civilian life by being an advisor or Senior Member of Civil Air Patrol, JROTC, ROTC? All are respected transitions into or out of service and have benefits. It appears to me that you might have a physical disability but your mind as we all know is your greatest asset. Share your experience with the next generation of true patriots.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2016 7:41 PM

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Yes you can still be in guard or reserve ! You will have to no collect disability. On the two days you drill also it depends on amount of disability you get also

Response by SGT Chris McDaniel made Feb 2 at 2016 8:13 PM

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I considered this briefly in 2011. I asked ROTC if they thought I could make it in. The 1SG I spoke with told me it was theoretically possible. First I'd have to renounce my VA claim, essentially tell them anything that was broke was now fixed. Then I'd have to apply for medical waiver. This is the sticky part. The army can, and likely will deny the waiver.

If that happens, you've surrendered your VA claims for life. No take backs. Were I you, I would try to speak to someone knowledgeable at recruiting or ROTC and tell them what your disability is for. Perhaps they can tell you what the odds are that you'd qualify for a waiver.

If you're satisfied with the risk go for it. But it's a steep one. You're most likely better off not doing it.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2016 10:18 PM

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Yes if it's 30% or less and you forfeit your disability pay. I left the Army after 4 years with 10% disability. Eighteen months later, I joined the Air Force. That was 12 years ago.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2016 3:00 AM

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The ultimate answer to your question depends on wether or not your disability makes you non-deployable. You can be on disability and serve otherwise. Contrary to SGT Gus Laskaris statements, you can't double dip and receive payment for military service and VA disability. If you join at some point, the VA will offset your disability payments by the number of days you drill or you can opt to drill without pay if VA compensation is worth less than the drill pay. That is all going to depend on your rating and rank.

Response by MSG Don H. made Feb 3 at 2016 4:19 AM

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Depends on what your disability is for and how extensive your disability is, I get 10% for hearing loss from an IED in Iraq in 2005, but still serve in the Guard. I have deployed since 2005, annual medical screening takes longer because I usually have to go through a second hearing test with an audiologist. IF you can pass a physical, you should be fine. Keep in mind that the VA will take back some of your compensation once a year. I get a letter every year explaining that based off the number of days of duty I performed last, my next VA payment will be reduced.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2016 8:06 AM

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If you were on temporary disability and have recovered.

Response by PFC Kyle Corcoran made Feb 3 at 2016 9:49 AM

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Thank you everyone for taking your time to answer this and share some knowledge. It seems there are a lot of conflicting answers but I hope this post helps as many people as It can in obtaining the right information.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2016 9:58 AM

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It also depends on how much disability you are receiving. If you are receiving more than 30% from active duty, the guard doesn't have to accept you. It's based on the lemon law concept. I've had soldiers receiving 100% and stay in due to the way disability is computed. Their conditions do not make them unfit or even non deployable. If deployed, they would have to stop their disability payments while on T10 status.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2016 10:17 AM

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Join a n American leigion post. If your collecting a check you probably would go to drill for free. You are not able to collect both. I am in the guard and we have a guy at our unit that is drilling for free until next year when he ETS's

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Feb 3 at 2016 12:59 PM

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Capt. Most of his medical records were already on file. About six months after he was rated 50%, a friend that served with him in Irag took him to a new county officer and requested a reval, letters were filed with the claim. His friend was a E9, also wrote letters about his close contact with the enemy and fire fights. He confirmed my friend indeed had killed several Irag soldiers..(2004)Along with the letters submitted got his 100%. So since you were not aware that letters are submitted to the VA when filing a claim, now you know that that can be submitted. When a person sleeps with a soldier with PTSD knows of the nightmares that happen. I thank you for reading my comments.

Response by SGT Timothy Douglas made Feb 3 at 2016 1:10 PM

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I had a regimental Cdr and a squadron Cdr, disabled. col Franks had 1/2 a foot, he went on to lead 7th corp in desert storm. LTC cherry had a missing foot and 1/2 a hand pretty sure they were considered disabled, still did a hell of a job

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Feb 3 at 2016 1:53 PM

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Try joining a Veterans Service Organization such as the AL

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Feb 3 at 2016 3:50 PM

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There are lots of Guard and Reserve soldiers injured during Title X deployments. They continue in the Guard or reserve and get disability compensation except when on duty...

Response by GySgt Bryan Spiritus made Feb 3 at 2016 5:51 PM

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I was wondering the same thing for retired military. I would be willing to stay in the reserves and have my drill pay reduced from my retired annuity, but according to US Code it's not allowed. I would have been glad to retire after 20, stayed in the reserves, and still been able to get promoted but not draw my highest rank High-3 till I turned 60 like all other reservists. But apparently it's also not allowed by US Code.

Response by SGT James Browne made Feb 3 at 2016 6:09 PM

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yes you can but you will have to give up your disability pay

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2016 7:34 PM

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It depends on what your disability compensation is for. Are you 10% for hearing or 40% for back injury ect. you will have to talk to a recruiter

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2016 8:08 PM

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Fuck you, you walrus looking piece of shit

Response by SSgt Bret Olson made Feb 3 at 2016 10:44 PM

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If you miss the comaradrie so much join anAmerican Legion or VFW post

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 12:27 AM

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Not everyone that gets a VA pension is not non-deplorable. Don't listen to if you are you not worth it. I've read a few of the responses from NCO's and am pretty disappointed. Your job is to mentor, train and teach younger solders to be better leaders. So if you think I don't know what I'm talking about I have been in for 32 years, 10 active duty 22 years in the Reserves. The difference is too many fuck it I got mine and not enough this is what I can tell you and this is who you need to talk to. If your an NCO be a professional one. If not get out of the Army we don't need you, screwing up a good potential leader. I tell many of my peers and subordinates two things. The uniform doesn't make me I make it. My rank doesn't make me I made it. The rank on my uniform isn't an indicator of if I'm stupid or smart it's a pay grade. Leaders lead!

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Feb 4 at 2016 2:07 AM

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I would recommend the State Active Duty for you.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Feb 4 at 2016 4:27 AM

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California has State Military Reserves, maybe you should consider a similar branch in your state. P.S. The military is not a welfare service.

Response by SPC Rob Miller made Feb 4 at 2016 11:05 AM

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Many people do this. It's not uncommon. BG Glenn Goddard is correct. Make sure you notify the VA so you don't incur an overpayment to them. By the time they figure it out it could add up.

Response by SFC Lawrence Born made Feb 4 at 2016 12:36 PM

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If you still qualify medically you can join the Reserves and serve with no issues. You will not be able to get paid from the military and receive your VA comp. There is a form to fill out that will alert the VA to your period of service so they can withhold your comp when appropriate. I did something similar. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions. SFC B

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 2:17 PM

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No you wouldn't. Talk to admin and they'll give you a paper and magic shit happens and you get paid. You can collect disability in the reserves but not on active

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 2:29 PM

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Ok real world answer, if it's less than 50% I believe it is possible to join the guard. Look at your DD214 and check your reenlistment code. However if U were medically chaptered out of the army U are really going to have to prove that U are better and U might have to forgo that disability check or at least take a smaller cut. I have a lot of friends who got off active duty, filed Va claims and we're still able to join the guard

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 3:26 PM

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Join the VFW

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 3:38 PM

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Kyle. That depends on the disability and the VA rating. But if you already served and are really disable join a support group like WWP if what you are looking for is the camaraderie.

Response by Cpl Quentin Durrstein made Feb 4 at 2016 4:10 PM

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You have to get your disability declared cured and then you can rejoin. As for the insults, we have amputees who managed to stay and even return to deploying so obviously there is a way depending.

Response by SGT Sheldon James made Feb 4 at 2016 4:26 PM

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I was med boarded out then two years later reevaluated and separated I have an re4 code and want to come back in but everyone tells me I can't

Response by SSG Ernest Ricardo Thompson made Feb 4 at 2016 5:47 PM

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Well what is going to happen is the va will. Do a 290 and will send out a letter and will ask you if when you attend drills If you want to get your disability pay or get the drill. Pay most people who are drilling would rather receive the disability pay

Response by SSG Fred Campbell made Feb 4 at 2016 6:16 PM

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Your automatically barred from enlistment, notice the code on your DD214. The Army won't take you back in after being broke, especially if you left and they couldn't re-class you. It's over...Kaput!!

Response by SGT Brian Littrel made Feb 4 at 2016 7:33 PM

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Smh...privates.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 7:37 PM

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Just glad I retired last year

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 8:32 PM

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My understanding as a Recruiter; I have seen it in black and white. If you relinquish your VA benefits and go back in, you will probably not be able to file for those benefits again. So look it up on the VA website and read it for yourself. Take no one person word, Read it young man.

Response by SFC James Young made Feb 4 at 2016 8:58 PM

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Young buck, you don't need an asshole like Gus outhouse lawyering you. Go ask a reserve or guard recruiter. They know best.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Feb 4 at 2016 10:35 PM

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That is a question for a prior service recruiter and the VA. Not this bunch of sea lawyers.

Response by SSG Sean Knudsen made Feb 4 at 2016 10:39 PM

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This has got to be the question of the year....wow!

Response by SGT Kevin Gardner made Feb 4 at 2016 10:39 PM

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Yes.

Response by SSG Sergio Carrasco made Feb 4 at 2016 11:23 PM

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God Damn It PFC....JUST DROP!!!!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 11:28 PM

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Yes you can. As long as you pass fit test and aren't drawing over 70% in disability. Keep in mind that at the end of the year any military days you get paid for subtracts from your disability checks. Also, if you can't manage pain, or obtain a waiver if necessary, you probably cant. One other thing, you can't obtain a class 3 flight physical if you have disability rating if you wanted to be a flyer.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 11:37 PM

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No stupid !!!!

Response by Sgt Daniel Lee made Feb 5 at 2016 12:05 AM

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No, cause the v.a is a bitch to get anything from so if THEY think you're broke enough to pay for then the military sure as hell won't take you

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 8:36 AM

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If you are receiving disability compensation I will assume that you went through the MEB process and it was determined that you have a physical limiting disability that prevents continued service. Even if it was possible for you to return to duty, why would you want to further risk a more severe injury? Would you be fully deployable if you could come back in, because if you aren't that puts a strain on the unit.

Response by SGT Nicholas Lusby made Feb 5 at 2016 8:49 AM

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What could you have possibly be getting disability for being a PFC that had only been in for no more then 18mo and that's including basic/AIT? State side injury? Service connected? I would just look into volunteering at your local VAMC or VFW instead of the Reserves or Guard

Response by TSgt Julie Miller made Feb 5 at 2016 8:55 AM

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While I appreciate your desire to serve... please understand this... it took my husband more than 7 yrs to get his military medical records from active duty and another several years before he got his disability rating. He would have dearly loved to have been able to stay in the Air Force and continue his career... There are too many men and women who have been denied any kind of disability and can no longer serve, so my question here... is how is it fair to those who can't get disability and are struggling today while others get it handed to them and manipulate the system to their advantage. I have known too many vets who need their disability ratings to simply get basic medical and health benefits. I am sorry if I come across strong, but I have a husband with disabilities and what we have to go through for one simple procedure gets overwhelming at times. So I am sorry I cannot support this thought or desire.

Response by SGT Kyle Howard made Feb 5 at 2016 9:42 AM

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Yea you can physical and mental the guard is a joke

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 11:05 AM

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you are dumb for saying this ... i have been fighting for my disability for far to long ... you should just take a knee kid... enjoy what you have and except it because some of us are disable and still haven't been taken care of like you!

Response by SGT Ernest Zelnick made Feb 5 at 2016 11:37 AM

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I would GIVE UP my VA compensation in order to go into the national guard or the reserves

Response by SSG Brian Cooper made Feb 5 at 2016 2:01 PM

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Yes, u can rejoin. Understand that u will need 2 contact VA and let them know when u r 2 rejoin so that they can put your VA compensation on pause until u r back in the civilian world again. And remember, it's NOT disability, it's compensation. If u were medically discharged then u could call it disability, if u wanted to, because there is no way they r going 2 let u back in. If u rejoin and go 2 the reserves or national guard, remember u can accept the VA comp OR drill pay, but not both. The VA will catch it eventually and then u won't get anything until u have paid back what u owe. For those that ask "why, aren't u broke?"... not everyone collecting compensation is broken. Certain conditions like migraines, sleep apnea, etc., can be covered by compensation. Doesn't mean they r broken or can't do their job or putting their buddies in harms way. :-)

Response by PO1 Randy Palermo made Feb 5 at 2016 2:37 PM

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Are you deployable ????If not don't waste anyones time ,effort , billets. Stay home

Response by SPC Timothy Steffen made Feb 5 at 2016 2:40 PM

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Response by SFC Antonio Nieto made Feb 5 at 2016 3:03 PM

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I would not recommend you to join the reserved because their funds come from federal money, the guard will be your best choice. Nevertheless when you do your two weeks of federal time, remind the VA not to pay for your compensation, now depending of the extend of the injures you suffered while in active duty, this will determine if you are eligible for duty

Response by CPL Thomas Visser made Feb 5 at 2016 3:46 PM

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You cannot recive VA compensation and pay from the military. You must contact VA so they can stop you VA benefit because you're not entitled to it while on active duty, active duty for training and drill. If you fail to notify VA, an overpayment situation will occur and you will have to pay these funds back to VA. The effective date your award will cease is the date you go back to active duty status. Please note, once you separate from active duty, you can notify VA and they will set up C&P exams to once again determine your level of disability. Hoe that helps!

Response by SPC Sara Harris made Feb 5 at 2016 6:30 PM

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HELL NO

Response by SPC Ryan Dostie-Osenko made Feb 5 at 2016 7:44 PM

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After active duty, I joined the National Guard because I wasn't ready to be a civilian and there were many parts of service and the uniform that I missed. I eventually ended up being disabled (it took a while for the paperwork to go through) and my PTSD also got significantly worse after being out of active duty for some reason, which resulted in an increase in disability rating and benefits. This is what happens--you can't collect both disability AND National Guard pay. It's one or the other. So in my case, I continued to receive disability pay and did several years of National Guard service without pay...essentially for free. For me, that was okay. I didn't need the money (it was all of $250 at the time, I think). If you're receiving less disability money than the money you would receive from reserve/guard duty, then you can also choose to accept the reserve pay and put your disability pay on hold.

As for others disparaging you for wanting to continue to serve even after being disabled, shame on them. Serving ones country is about more than just money for some and disability doesn't have to stop one from serving (as long as it's within a certain percentage and a certain kind of disability. You'd have to check with your unit for what they'll find acceptable).

Response by SPC Keith Kendrick made Feb 5 at 2016 8:00 PM

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Here is the deal. " IF " you rejoin, you will Lose a Portion of your disability. Here is an Example: if you make $1500 in disability a month and your pay is about $250 f…[See More]

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 8:03 PM

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Yes i do believe that if they will except you in you can claim a waiver with the VA. To me it doesnt mtter why you want to go back in and its no one else business. I do believe you can still get a fertain amount of compensation from drilling. Just make sure and sign the waiver. Or the VA will take every cent back from you.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 10:33 PM

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I have been collecting va disability for years but I am only 30% which is why I'm allowed to stay in. I'm in the national guard so they take out my drill days out of my disability

Response by SPC Ernest Smith made Feb 5 at 2016 10:48 PM

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Wow wait a minute. I re-enlisted and 8 days I was medically discharged. I just received a AAM for my work during the Katrina mission. All that you are a great asset professional knowledge and a hole lot more. I filed for a disability pension and was denied. They said I was hurt on active duty but they don't feel responsible for my injuries. So I asked seeing that I don't qualify for a disability I would like to be let back in. They said I was medically discharged for being medically unfit for duty. So I can't collect and I can't be back in so how is that possible. I served 15yrs 8 days. I was a construction supervisor who not only did he work but designed a lot of it. I'm just lost how this can be real

Response by SGM Joel Cook made Feb 5 at 2016 11:06 PM

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My brother had 10% disability for a foot injury from the Air Force. Before He joined the Air Force Reserve he had to sign it away or they wouldn't let him join.

Response by SFC Mike Jennens made Feb 5 at 2016 11:20 PM

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It depends on your disability. I separated and was awarded a 10% disability. There was no issue when I joined the National Guard. The compensation was adjusted accordingly. I eventually went back to active duty and the compensation stopped.
To those who think a person shouldn't be able to re-join, think a little deeper. When you separate, you will probably receive some disability compensation. The issue for which you are being compensated started, or was diagnosed, while you are in the military. With your logic, the person should be discharged upon diagnosis.
So..... When you lose some of your hearing, which is a very common diagnosis, should you be immediately discharged? I think I know the answer to that. Disability compensation isn't an indicator that you were unable to do your job.

Response by 1LT Lydia Hales made Feb 5 at 2016 11:57 PM

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No you don't. You still have to medically qualify. You can keep using the GI Bill.
As for the service connection- you can keep it. The VA might call for a review at sometime in thr future.
This is how it works. You can't draw military pay and VA compensation at the same time, you have a choice: get the full reserve pay but reduced VA pay for the same amount. Or reduce the pay by the amount of your VA benefit, most people go option two. Your VA comp is non- taxable.

Example: you earn $100/ month for drill (or any military pay). Your VA comp is $150. You can opt to the $150 in VA pay (tax free) and not get military pay. Or take the military pay and only get $50 from the VA (military is taxed). Same thing on active duty. Make sense? You get all retirement points from the reserve

Keep all paperwork regarding how much you're paid from each source. They'll audit you pretty much yearly, proof of income is all you need.

Response by SPC William DeBlase made Feb 6 at 2016 12:20 AM

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Your not disabled if you can pass a P.T. test and a Army Physical. I know I tried to stay in with my ailments and was denied and I could at that point and I wasn't disabled at that point due to my in actions in applying after being hurt badly I wanted to stay in. But was medically discharged even though I could pass my P.T. test so I say their is no way if you are actually disabled you should be double dipping. Just my thoughts.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 1:33 AM

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Ask yourself this question, if you are interested in rejoining.

Are you doing this because it feels good? Or are you doing this because you believe you can actually do good?

And if you answer the latter, ask yourself one additional question, "Would the man to your left and your right agree to that assessment?"

Really it's a trick question, because it should never be about what YOU want. War requires doing the right thing no matter what you feel. If your very first decision upon re-enlistment is due to vanity, on top of having a disability, then you have already set the tone as to the quality of your character.

But, if you can perform the task well, and fight if you have to, while weathering the stress involved, then it really doesn't matter what your feelings are on the matter, there shouldn't be a problem.

The best policy is always honesty. Be honest with yourself, be honest with your chain of command. That falls under Integrity. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the Army Values. ;)

In terms of pay, as I understand it, you cannot receive per diem and disability simultaneously. It's all rated on a per day basis, and paid at the end of the month. So you can receive disability one day, and per diem the next, but not on the same day. Does that make sense?

So, for regular active duty, you'll have to give up your disability. For weekend warriors, your drill time will be supplimented by disability on the days you don't work... but you also risk the VA determining that you are "better" and reducing your disability anyway.

I'm not an expert on the matter by any means... so you'll have to confirm all of this on your own.

Do what you can, so long as it helps the fight, even if that means just being a regular ol' contractor, which... btw, get paid a shitload more than a soldier, better benefits, less risk, while also being surrounded by soldiers. Just a thought.

Anyway, good luck, and thank you for stepping up and defending this country. Carry on.

Response by SGT Michael Amstutz made Feb 6 at 2016 11:06 AM

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Not sure what your disability is for but I have injury disabilities and PTSD. I miss being in the Army too but I know there is no way for me to ever get it back. I'm disabled and would serve no purpose as well as be a danger to those around me if deployed again. I'm gonna assume you have a lower rating than me or something?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 11:45 AM

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The real question is what unit is willing to take on your disability. Youre already hurt. What risk am I assuming?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 11:47 AM

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My personal view, if you have a low rating and can do the job and you earnd the rating, when I say earnd the rating I mean injury and PTSD now PTSD has two sides ther is the Lagit side and looking for extra money side. Some people have lived and experienced some unspeakable shit, and I have witnessed some getting PTSD money from make believe fire fights, bumpy roads, just (WTF) issues we all see and hear of this. What bothers me the most is when a soldier needs disability and not by his or her own definition deserves it, Lagit deserves it earned it your brothers and sisters by your side saw what happend it was real. You should get it but there are so many fakers out there the ones who really need it have a very hard time getting it due to the sead weight.
I've Tryed turning some of them in and got no ware just in trouble. What can we as a family do about this. It doesn't matter what branch you are from we are all family a average of 10% of the population have joined amy military service so I say we are a minority family. How can we police up this discrace

Response by MSG Robert Conrad made Feb 6 at 2016 12:07 PM

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The answer is, it depends. The condition that you are service connected for, may be disqualifying, like being SC for diabetes at 20% for taking a an oral medication and having a restricted diet. I have seen somebody get approved for a waiver that was at o30% for sleep apnea (not requiring CPAP). As a general rule 30% and less is possible (as in a solid maybe) for a medical waiver.

Response by PFC Vince Bell made Feb 6 at 2016 5:47 PM

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Stick with what you have, finish school, get a job with the VA and help some vets. It's the Army, the green weinie will get you somehow.

Response by SPC Judith Russell made Feb 6 at 2016 7:45 PM

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That is correct. You cannot receive compensation and active duty pay.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 8:01 PM

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Review a DD2807, DD2808, Review AR 40-501, chapter 2, and review what it's says about accessions physicals. But keep in mind that there are medical waivers obtainable.

Response by SFC Richard Dempsey made Feb 7 at 2016 1:42 AM

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Yes you can serve but cannot collect disability..

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 6:16 AM

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I work in medical case management for the national guard. They have the same medical standards as AD. If you aren't fit for duty, you aren't fit for duty, period. For those of you wondering about the VA paying compensation for something that may or may not be duty-related, he was on orders when he developed the condition. Meaning it was service- connected, even if it wasn't because of the army. NG and reserved are different. For us, if something happens while on orders, the unit has to follow up with a Line of Duty, which is just a crap-ton of paperwork, to ensure that mother army is made aware and will pay for the medical bills accrued. However, if the condition is a disease that discovered or aggravated while on orders, the military does not take responsibility. If you have to be treated or hospitalized while on orders, they will only pay for the single visit. The rest is your responsibility. If you get injured while on orders and fail to report it and later want an LOD, you'd better hope you have some medical documentation that proves it was service connected, otherwise you're SOL.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Feb 7 at 2016 7:36 AM

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Kind of off topic, but all who are on PDRL and TDRL are subject to recall just as other retirees (we are members of the retired reserve) and IRR types. The stuff really needs to hit the fan for this to happen. Disabled Soldiers can fill many of the admin, medical, Logistics, IT, Intel, and other thinking rolls needed by the force. Combat isn't out of the question either. Remember, Lord Nelson had a missing arm whe the Brits beat the French Fleet. Gen Roosevelt was an asst. Div Commander at Normandy Beach. He walked with a cane. Last point, how many folks are on active duty but retire with some disability percentage. Do you think their disabilities happened in their last year of service?

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 10:35 AM

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If you miss the camaraderie join a adult softball league.. It's not like you will be more than the bat boy when your on duty

Response by SGT Randy Poling made Feb 7 at 2016 10:58 AM

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Yes you can but it all depends on your disability rating. I had a 10% disability rating and was allowed to join the national guard. The VA deducted my training days from my VA compensation and withheld the funds. However when I got deployed to Iraq in 06 I had to sign a form waiving my VA disability benefits until I returned state side.

Response by SFC Jon Vandeyacht made Feb 7 at 2016 11:12 AM

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YES...You can not legally collect disability AND serve in the military. If you join the Reserves or Guard, they will take away $1:$1 for each buck earned from service. So, if your collect $500 a month on disability and you collect $450 a month for your weekend drills, you will get $450 for your drill weekend (Taxed of course) and only $50 from VA disability or if you collect $1000 disability and $450 drill pay then you will get $450 taxed dollars drill pay and $550 disability, else you keep all of your va disability and drill for free, but then you set yourself up for the VA to determine that your disability has corrected itself and you will lose it all together. EVEN though you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
You need to consider 2nd and 3rd order effects, It will affect ALL veterans on va disability because the VA will use that as fuel, so will the public, and use that to validate why vets dont need disability or make it that much harder for those that really do have a disability. DON'T be GREEDY and screw it up for those that truly do have problems because YOU want to continue to serve.
I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk or an ass, but I am a veteran advocate and it really P$$es me off when I come across those vets collecting disability and really dont have problems and yet they are trying to get even more.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 1:09 PM

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A question popped up in my head that made me re-read your question.... did you separate due to disability, did it influence your decision, or did you get out not expecting to want to come back in? I'm not asking for the answer to that question, just expressing what I was thinking (no HIPAA vioations for me please).
If you were disabled and that was your main reason for leaving the service, I would not recommend trying to come back in. Why make a bad situation worse and further a life long disability? If you miss the camaraderie, join one of the volunteer organizations that help the active duty members. I know it's not the same but it would put you in a position to help the people you care about without chancing furthering your disability. It could also prevent complications with VA benefits.
If you left for other reasons, speak with the VA personally along with one of the physicians regarding your specific disability. I'm sure there's some sort of a precedent where people left with a disability (not the reason they left) and re-joined the services.

Response by LCpl Christopher Brown made Feb 7 at 2016 1:50 PM

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Find a VFW to join

Response by CSM Tony Simpson made Feb 7 at 2016 2:48 PM

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You should talk to a recruiter who can best explain the current situation

Response by SrA Conrad Lewis made Feb 7 at 2016 4:22 PM

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I'd give my left nut to go back to boom operating but I'd be a constant burden to my squadron with my disabilities but if yours don't keep you from accomplishing the mission then go for it. Mission and safety first!

Response by LTC Andrae Evans made Feb 7 at 2016 4:38 PM

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Yes you can join or continue to serve. Va Disability has nothing to do with your ability or willingness to work. There are rules if you have received 100% or have accepted medical retirement from the military. As long as you can pass the APFT with or without profile, and perform your duties as a soldier.

Response by LCpl Don Reitmeyer, III made Feb 7 at 2016 4:45 PM

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It probably depends on your discharge code.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 4:52 PM

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I've got two soldiers drilling with 80% and 90% disability. They have to repay their drill pay dollar for dollar so they just elected not to be paid.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 4:59 PM

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Depends on your disability.

Response by Sgt Terry Orndorff made Feb 7 at 2016 5:52 PM

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You can but when you drill your compensation stops and starts up after your drill or you drill without being paid since you are already being compensated

Response by PFC Diana Gonzalez made Feb 7 at 2016 7:44 PM

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Thank you for your service and you desire to continue to serve. You don't have to deploy to serve. I served I deployed, AND I'm disabled. I wanted to return to service as well but cannot. I'm 100% disabled since Desert Storm.......I medivaced home I helped the rear detachment commander while my unit continued over there. I agree with some of the responses and am unsure of some others. If you want to return to service than do what you can, if not keep pressing on!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 10:06 PM

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Please don't. A quarter of my unit is broken and they just sit around at drill holding up their profile. They are killing our unit and holding up others from promoting. CO is about to make a "broke" platoon. The really awful thing is that alot of these cats are 20 years old with no combat time. I know thats not you, but please don't come back to be the "broke" guy.

Response by SPC Thomas Carroll made Feb 7 at 2016 10:22 PM

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No you should not. Turn down your disability are join.

Response by MAJ David Labrie made Feb 7 at 2016 10:48 PM

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I was in your position. I was at like 10% disability with the VA for my hearing. I just needed to report to the VA once per year what I was doing in the National Guard, so they could adjust my "disability compensation" accordingly. In addition, when I deployed, I notified the VA and my compensation was stopped while on active duty.

Response by SGT Cathi Johnson made Feb 8 at 2016 12:14 AM

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My opinion is if a soldier has a SCD for Tinnitus which is ringing in the ears, I would think that soldiers could perform their duties even though they are service connected disabled at a 10% rating. Now (still just my opinion) if a soldier had 100% rating for PTSD....well, I wouldn't want them to have my six in a combat situation.

Response by SFC Dwayne Brown made Feb 8 at 2016 5:37 AM

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I joined back up as well after my med board. I had to prove that I was able to do what I needed to do as a soldier. Your DD 214 has a code you will need a waiver. The VA can not pay you while you are receiving an army pay check. One you get out then you apply for your benefits again. Only after you stop receiving army pay.

Response by MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect made Feb 8 at 2016 9:43 AM

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The difference between civilian and military disability to me is, in the military, we can't say no to what we are told to do. So if you break me, you need to care for me. I wrote a check to the govt with my life as collateral. That's different than the private sector.

Response by SSG Dwight Amey MSA, MSL, BS, AS made Feb 8 at 2016 10:09 AM

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Pfc Kyle Corcoran, yes. First call the VA Regional Office [login to see] opt: 1, 0, 4

Tell them you intend to go back on active duty and need to to know what the VA needs from you. It is a balance between starting active or reserves and getting your disability payments stopped just right. If you get paid at the same time you will lose pay from dod back to the va

Response by SGT Megan Gray made Feb 8 at 2016 12:20 PM

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Captain Smiley is Blind and active duty, I'm sure there may be special reasons, but you can be disabled and still involved with the military... I just don't know about collecting disability... But then civilians can still work and collect disability, but only if they work below a certain amount of hours. The military is 24/7 and joining AR or NG means you may go full time at a moments notice. I do know you can still use GI bill if you do, for some reason, rejoin. If you miss it all (Like I do) take a job working with them. WWP hires vets to work with Vets, Near by army posts have jobs for qualified individuals. I plan on eventually getting my masters and becoming a social worker.

Response by SPC Thomas Moosey made Feb 8 at 2016 12:22 PM

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I am unable to work because of my disability that is service connected. I would jump for a chance to put the uniform back on. But that could never happen, so I can respect your desire to return to service.

Response by LCpl Dana Paulsen made Feb 8 at 2016 2:04 PM

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Not only would you have to cancel it, you would have to repay ALL of your VA compensation you've collected back!

Response by SSG John Conerx made Feb 8 at 2016 6:49 PM

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PFC Kyle Corcoran!
Your Dedication to our country is a true testament to Bravery! And a testament that there is Honorable men and women in this country that have a sense of duty and pride in what they have to a country for the most part of modern day infants ( under 17 ) that don't know crap about honor and pride unless it's in the ability to win a video game! That are disrespectful of our Military! Thank You for a renewed faith in our fellow Veterans that still believe in what they lived and fought for for the respect shown to those that can not see what pride their fellow brothers and sisters of our TRUE MILITARY FAMILY! For those that have no honor for those that make attempts to down play your dedication to OUR COUNTRY and the sacrifice you made! They are not worth walking on the same ground!! God Bless, and I believe if you draw under 20% you can serve in the National Guard or Reserves!! You will have to continue your research! God Bless You Sir

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2016 6:57 PM

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Contact your VA Rep. I'm collecting VA Compensation as well, and I wouldn't even consider drawing disability and reenlisting, not that I don't miss. I absolutely loved my time in the Army, but because I'm basically getting paid for something I can't do. That is really close to fraud for me.

Response by SFC Patrick Dubolyew made Feb 9 at 2016 12:50 AM

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If you can pass and meet physical requirements, and dont mind the offset of pay (you would have VA comp offset by drill pay) and were not MEB/PEB prior. But you will also have more stringent reexamination by the VA and any LOD injury or exacerbation would not be considered until you leave service

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 10:14 AM

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To answer your question no, you will ultimately have to decide between your disability or national guard/reserves pay. It's one or the other. I would advise you not to rejoin though, you were labled as disabled by that veteran's agency for a reason.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 10:30 AM

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Don't worry sugar cup. I know a girl that gets 60% is not deployable. Left half way trough her only deployment via getting knocked up and is a total bag of trash and managed not only to stay a reservist but to pick up E-6. In your particular case your disability makes you a liability in a non controlled environment. It decreases the lethality of your unit and endangers the mission. Mission is paramount. Your individual needs cares concerns are irrelevant. Work with the cards you're dealt move forward and on. Good luck.

Response by SPC Derek Crawford made Feb 9 at 2016 12:14 PM

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As long as you're not over 60 percent you can do guard/reserve.

Response by CPL David Hooker made Feb 9 at 2016 12:30 PM

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I believe how it works is they subtract your disability from your regular paycheck.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 3:11 PM

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To suggest that Mr. Corcoran could not contribute to any service though disabled is absolutely ridiculous and deplorable. I invite any of you who feel this way to watch my friend MSG Cedric King speak about his experiences and then take a look at what contributions he has made to society since, all while still serving.

Response by SGT Joseph Johnston made Feb 9 at 2016 4:57 PM

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ALCON, please remember that VA disability is figured differently than something like Social Security disability. SS grades based on your ability to do a job that you should be able to do, considering your age, education, skill, etc. Example: my son was born with his left arm truncated at mid forearm, but he is not disabled in the eyes of SS because he can still do everything a two year old would normally be expected to do. VA looks at the whole wide world of jobs and gives you a rating based on your inability to do any of them. Suppose you were badly disfigured in an IED, but your body is functional. There are civilian jobs that this would severely hamper your performance, but there are a lot of Army jobs that the veteran could still perform completely.

To answer the OP: you keep your rating but cannot collect disability for any calendar day that you are on active status. When you ETS, you could resume collecting disability pension. However your disability rating is still subject to re-evaluation by the VA from time to time, and your active duty status might affect their assessment.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 8:30 PM

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Depending on the level of your disability, your ability to perform basic military duties, and the required PULHES score for a given MOS, you may be eligible to join the Guard or Reserves. As others have said, there are specific laws regulating how drill pay will affect your disability pay. Talking to a local recruiter is your best bet for getting the most correct answer.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 11:07 PM

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Depending on what your disability is you may be able to join. The difference between Active Duty and Guard/Reserve is that you only need to pass a Chapter 3 physical for entrance into service and/or overseas deployment. Whereas for Active you need to pass the Chapter 2 to get in. In short, there are waivers for different physical limitations. Keeping that in mind if your limitation makes you not deployable, you will not get into the Guard/Reserve. If you are still deployable then you have a shot

Response by SPC Michael Herron made Feb 10 at 2016 12:26 AM

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As far as I know, you cannot rejoin the service if you're collecting VA compensation for medical. If you do, you can A) forfeit your VA compensation or B) go to jail for fraud. I miss it too but there's nothing I can do about it. Suck it up and drive on

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2016 8:47 AM

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It was a great answer on here am about reserving va pay for only 28 days and your reserve pay for the drill weekend and your reserve pay would be more than the 2 days you missed but keep in mind when you do your 2 weeks in the summer this is when it is worthless being in the reserves and on va benefits . I am talking from experience .

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2016 10:48 AM

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I don't know about rejoining but you are allowed to collect up to 70 % VA disability and continue to drill for pay but they willis your VA disability the following year's the amount of days u drilled

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2016 10:50 AM

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Sorry i also think 86t depends on your disability

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2016 3:54 PM

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exactly

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2016 4:17 PM

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Great to hear, who better to hear it from then a person who is actually in the process pool/doing it and a CW4 SME.. Thank you...

Response by A1C Allen Forbes made Feb 10 at 2016 5:30 PM

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If you can go to school and guard then I'd think your not disabled because you have the ability to work.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2016 6:11 PM

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You are joking, right?

Response by CPT Greg Amira made Feb 10 at 2016 8:10 PM

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I was in the Reserves at the time of 9/11/2001 & working on the 73rd floor of #2 World Trade Center for Morgan Stanley. After escaping unharmed, I returned to help others & was in the lobby when the 1st building fell. A fireman saved me & I helped check bodies for survivors but couldn't breathe. After stepping out of the lobby, a famous photographer took my photo (4th to the last photo of his life) & then the next building fell killing the photographer, the fireman, & buried me.
I was deemed disabled for life by EVERY government organization yet, I was recalled to the Army in 2005 & "accidentally" sent to Iraq as a Captain in Special Ops. Turned out to be the deadliest year of Iraq & the worst area (Diyala Province). Trying to save friends after they hit an IED on 26 JAN 2007, I was injured but saved 3 out of 4. Then the Army told me that I was being medically discharged.
So, the point is, anything is possible! Even though I was 100% disabled by Social Security, NY State Workers Comp, Long Term Disablity insurance & it would have been illegal for me to be on active duty & I fought it, they sent me anyhow. This forces me to lose my LTD insurance money & $1.25 million from the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund. The commander gave me the choice of resigning my commission (not an honorable discharge) or to go to Iraq & lose all the money.

Response by PO2 Steven Moses made Feb 11 at 2016 7:34 PM

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I did. At age 45. I carry a 20% disability... I had to get a waiver to rejoin... I didnt rejoin for college money or benefits.... MY thought process was: if they'll take me at age 45, then maybe it will save a family somewhere losing an only son or daughter.... but even more, at age 56 now, I'd do it all again tomorrow. But thats just me. Thanks for reading.

Response by LCpl Charles Robey made Feb 11 at 2016 8:52 PM

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I was serving in the California National Guard after I EAS'd from the Marine Corps, I was 50% Disabled and receiving Financial Compensation while in the Guard. How it works is they put you on a Medical Profile which means you can't get Promoted or Deploy. However you will still be committed to doing your 2 week and 1 weekend a month Duty.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 10:49 PM

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What are your disability levels and for what? It seems a lot of people are beating around the bush

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 4:43 PM

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Yes you can. Many people coming off active duty are eligible for VA Benefits, but rather than going into the IRR for the remainder of their enlistment they go into the regular reserve. You get benefits for the days you're not in uniform. Those are caught up each year via paperwork. You'll essentially be collecting benefits for 26 of the normal 30 days / month. If the disability is an MOS limiting condition, they may restrict you, but normally it's not, or they'll let you reclass to another MOS. There are many Soldiers who get both VA compensation and USAR pay. If you're mobilized or come back on active duty, the VA benefits stop. The govt will only pay for your care 1 way, either thru the Army or thru the VA. My disability is for an injury to my hand and my knees. I can still do my job, but collect benefits for the days I'm not in uniform.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2016 9:02 AM

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A letter just came out by the secretary of defense on 12 Feb. It seems they are now flagging members in the reserve with disabilities through the VA. This can definitely change how things are right now. A pilot in our unit was just grounded even though he has waivers, passing fit scores etc... FYSA.

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Feb 23 at 2016 9:17 AM

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Tennant's Rule #1 - Always refer to the regulations....having said that....as a general rule you can. However, I have to caution you that it all depends on the disability and the percentage you have been given. Tread carefully because if you do join because you will end up drilling for free or giving all or part of your VA disability back.

Response by PFC Kyle Corcoran made Feb 29 at 2016 9:53 AM

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201K views! Wow!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 5:33 PM

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Yes you can. I've done it for years. You cannot collect pay and VA compensation for the same days, so for training days, you'll have to pay that amount back. It is withheld from the next year's VA compensation. If you are on orders for an extended period of time... 30+ days or more, you can notify the VA and ask them to suspend the VA compensation for the duration of your orders, then start it again when your orders are completed. As noted in previous comments, most Guard or Reservists have about 40 days or duty for the year. At the beginning of each fiscal year, you'll get a form from the VA asking for verification or correction of the number of days that they paid that you were on duty. That amount will be withheld in the next years VA compensation. It's spread out over the entire year and not withheld all at once. Very doable and easy to adjust to. The number of Soldiers in my unit collecting both has grown with the number of deployments... Only 1 has had a VA compensation issue. It was resolved without too much heartburn.

Response by Cpl Lorenzo Goode made May 14 at 2016 9:28 PM

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Find a veteran community thru facebook or tweeter. That will bring back the commeradory and brotherhood without the stress of deployments and policies that conflict with your lifestyle. Get a service companion go to your local VFW post and register and you won't miss out anymore. VFW's have daily, monthly, weekly, and yearly events to keep you and others out of that feeling of missing commeradory.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2016 10:33 AM

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Good luck.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Leake made Aug 5 at 2016 1:40 AM

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I went through this situation. I was in the Guard and was diagnosed with PTSD.I started receiving my compensation from the VA and received a letter a few moths later saying that I either receive Drill Pay and drop the compensation,or keep receiving compensation and Drill for points only. No double dipping. They will make you pay it back.

Response by PFC Kyle Corcoran made Sep 8 at 2016 12:54 PM

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Thank you all for responding.

Response by CPL Aloysius Grimaudo made Sep 8 at 2016 1:05 PM

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There will be a code on your dd214 says if u are eligible to reenlist..

Response by SGT Jamie Gregory made Sep 8 at 2016 1:09 PM

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You can join the guard as long as you are allowed to reenlist first. If you do enlist in the guard you will have to choose VA pay or Guard pay. If you try and be sneaky about it you will be called out and either pay the VA back for the drill days you do a year. So do the right thing and pick one or the other.

Response by PFC Marcus Baucom made Nov 7 at 2016 3:13 PM

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You would have to give up or pay back the money while with the reserves I had to

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2017 1:29 PM

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It is my understanding depending on the percentage you can join the reserves but they take out what ever you make from disability, don't quote me on that, just getting this from a SFC who collects partial from a past deployment. So in essence if he is right you only get above what your disability pays. You would have to check with a retention NCO or recruiter to be sure.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Feb 20 at 2017 12:18 PM

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FWIW, i went in the Marines while collecting VA compensation from Army service. of course, the compensation stopped while i was active and i had to be re-evaluated when i left the Corps.

Response by CPO Jim Cerullo made Feb 20 at 2017 12:39 PM

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I think that might tie in with having your cake and eating it too. Doesn't the disability pay
identify you as someone unable to perform normal duties. How would you be able to join the Reserves or National Guard if you're been identified as disabled?

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Feb 20 at 2017 4:33 PM

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Short answer is yes. You have to report how much you get from the VA and your pay may be offset. I can't answer to what the VA does. The caveat has to be if your disability excludes you from obtaining a waiver to be in the Guard or Reserve. We have some people with huge disability ratings serving. Again the trick is you need to get a waiver and without knowing your circumstance would be hard to advise you. You can pm me if you wish.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2017 8:42 PM

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I just feel bad for our Korean War veterans, Vietnam-era veterans, Desert Storm/Desert Shield veterans, and pre-9-11 vets who have been shafted by the VA when trying to do their initial and follow-on VA claims. I’m truly thankful that the VA claim system has improved during my era, and I would never truly understand the frustration that some of our previous veterans have gone through. Without their lobbying of Congress to fix the system, I would have never been in this position. I’m truly grateful to all those past veterans who have addressed these issues.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Apr 27 at 2017 8:00 PM

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you sure can can't receive both pays though. do 28 days VA then 2 day Training

Response by SGT Robert Anthony made Apr 27 at 2017 8:56 PM

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Dual Compensation from the VA and the Military is Prohibited
There is a law on the books often referred to as “concurrent receipt” which prohibits service members from being paid for active duty or active or inactive training concurrently with VA disability compensation or pension benefits.* You can find these laws written in 10 U.S. Code § 12316 – Payment of certain Reserves while on duty, and 38 U.S. Code § 5304 – Prohibition Against Duplication of Benefits.

Response by SFC Arai Pooley made May 2 at 2017 9:03 AM

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AS a former recruiter, the fact that you are receiving disability and exited the military as a E-3 raises a lot of red-flags for me. However, I'm not up to speed on the current regulations and USAREC Messages. If it is possible to get back in, it will be on the Army's terms. In the past, you would have had to of been reevaluated by the VA and had the disability nullified. I would suggest talking to a current recruiter; but don't get your hopes up.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2017 9:53 AM

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I was in the Reserves while drawing VA disability. However, there are a few things to consider. First, does your disability medically disqualify you from service. Specifically, can you complete an induction physical and meet all medical standards for 'fitness.' Second, does your disability require a profile to complete your duties or participate in the Physical Fitness test. If yes, then ensure that your profile is current and communicated to the unit leadership, when you join. If you are accepted into a unit, then you will serve and draw military pay or points only.

If you draw military pay, then after the end of the fiscal year, VA will compare DFAS pay records against your VA disability pay records. Sometime around March, you will receive notification of the overlap and formally choose to receive your disability pay or military pay for the number of days you drew both. Based on your election, VA will withhold payment until you have paid this amount off or DFAS will collect this amount from your drill checks. Be advised that some people select VA because this is tax free. If you choose this, then there is a good chance you will perform military duties for the next year, without pay, as DFAS collects. However, if your VA disability pay is large enough, then it is better to keep the taxable military pay and forego a month or two without VA disability. Good luck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2017 1:34 PM

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Not all, it depends on percentage

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made May 23 at 2017 4:12 PM

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Join the state militia. You won't get paid, but the camaraderie will be there

Response by LCpl Michael Parker made May 27 at 2017 7:52 AM

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I have heard that you can But not in the reserves or guard BUT a state Millitia that is part of the D.O.D. but you may want to look into this more to verifie if this is acurate or not

Response by MAJ Javier G. made May 31 at 2017 2:33 PM

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I believe it every time you "Drill" your disability is stopped for the dates of the Drill. It is then reinstated and so forth. It may have changed, but I believe that is how it works.

Response by LT Michael Scott made Jun 1 at 2017 6:14 PM

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I've been wishing I could go back in for a long time since I got out but the VA treated me and I ended up losing my vision in the good eye I had, but the disability says that isn't a good enough reason though I can't pass a physical to work any jobs I've had in the past. I would go right back in at half pay gladly.

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made Jun 8 at 2017 1:36 PM

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Since you have a desire to serve, may I suggest joining a veteran service organization. VFW, DAV, AMVETS, etc. find out what you can do and don't let the turkeys get you down.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Jun 11 at 2017 3:48 PM

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I thought about your question for a few seconds and just shook my head. I thank you for your prior service, which was interrupted by an injury of some kind, and I am happy you got an Honorable Discharge so you can collect VA compensation.
However, Ask yourself this! Will my disability interfere with the safety of my unit or completion of their mission. If it would interfere with their safety or ability to complete the mission successfully, then I would have to say no don't attempt to reenter the Army.
You are a veteran, you served, now accept what has happened and find another way to enjoy the camaraderie you enjoyed before. Veterans Associations, events on local posts, etc. God bless and I salute you for your desire to serve our great country.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2017 8:17 PM

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BG Goddard send it up best. Yes you can however you can't collect pay as well as C&P. If you do the VA will stop paying you and collect all the back pay. No saying that if you make more in your C&P drill for point only notify your unit administrator of that. If you make more in Army pay notify the C&P office to stop paying you.

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made Jun 13 at 2017 9:35 PM

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Why do you think it is OK to be on disability and in the Reserves at the same time. Seems to me3 that if you are on disability that should disqualify you from any type of service, active or reserves. As a taxpayer, and someone who worked hard to recover from some serious injuries while in the Corps without disability, this feels like you are trying to game the system with GI Bill, Disability and Reserve pay. Maybe you aren't doing that, but it sure smells....

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made Jun 13 at 2017 9:37 PM

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Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Jun 17 at 2017 10:17 AM

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Go to your local Veterans assistance. Or a VFW or Amerian legion post. what ever you have in your area. I have heard in the past, that people, due to theyr MOS, have had their disability waived and went back on active service. Because they were needed. I am sure if you meet the physical standards, you could get your disability put on hold or stopped if you qualify and make the physical requirements.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 4:23 PM

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Yes you can they send u a letter what they do is add up your drill pay for a fiscal year and that next year stop your comepensation for that amount.

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Jul 6 at 2017 3:23 PM

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If you can train and return to what could possibly be full duty, then you were never laid up! At that point I would wonder if you were pulling some kinda scam!

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Jul 14 at 2017 10:02 AM

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Unless it has changed, the maximum disability is 30%, and you give the VA (used to be) your AT pay only. I was Activated with a 20% disability... and as a Reserve CO, I had a few men who were 30%. When I went (50, 70, 100) I was sent a retirement certificate.

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made Jul 18 at 2017 2:24 AM

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I could only collect disability or receive my National Guard Pay, couldn't collect both. If you go for the disability compensation, ensure you get a letter from the commander to state that you have given up your Drill Pay, or inform the VA that you are willing to give up your disability pay. The VA will take back all pay if you collect both. I gave up my Drill Pay. A couple of times the VA had misplaced my letter and they took back what they paid me.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2017 8:56 PM

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You can still be in reserve forces, but your reason for collecting va benifits can not be disqualifying medical reasons, and you can only collect retirement points towards retirement, more then likely you will be disqualified for medical reasons because you are getting va payments. If you were still in that would help

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Jul 23 at 2017 10:32 AM

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I have has a few clients do that very thing. Percentage of disability as well as the actual disability itself should be a major factor in the decision making process. Now, if you have a permanent and total rating there is no way they will accept you and you would be crazy to jeopardize that. If its the comradery you seek, take the advice of someone here you told you to join a veterans organization. Remember another thing: You would be asking two governmental organizations to coordinate benefits. Really want to open that can of worms???

Response by PO1 Dennis Ratcliffe made Jul 23 at 2017 11:23 AM

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I think if you are 30% or less you can still serve in reserves but you forfeit VA pay.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Jul 24 at 2017 2:38 PM

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Wow! I don't know how that would work. Were you "medically retired" from the military? I think the nature of your disabilities would have a huge bearing on what would happen. You may have options, an MOS that fits within the confines of your disability. I understand your feel though. I hate say it, talk to a recruiter - not just one but several.

Response by CW4 Robert Goldsmith made Aug 6 at 2017 5:56 PM

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PFC Corcoran, you cannot double dip. You get to choose to keep disability pay or military pay in lieu of VA compensation by law. I work for the VA and am a disabled Veteran. Having medically retired in lieu of a length of service retirement, I have great disdain for the current system that allows "broken" Reservists and Guard members" to drill and receive military pay, then revert back to disabled Veteran status. The VA has a tremendous backlog, partly due to the increase in claims from Guard and Reserve members that were mobilized to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq as frequently as active duty units since the middle of the last decade. What I don't comprehend is how someone with a bad back, bad knees, PTSD and/or any other disabling condition is physically fit to serve part-time while the active duty ranks are gutted through the MEB/PEB process as it should be. VA has to wait on notification from DFAS that a disabled Veteran returned to active duty status. So, "drill pay" claims are always worked in arrears and it forces VA to recoup over-payments and waste manpower doing so, instead of focusing that manpower on disability and compensation claims for those who served and no longer can or do. Thank you to all who have served, but if you are not fully capable of serving and world-wide deployable, get out, stay out, collect your VA benefits that you've earned and make way for another to serve and get promoted instead of holding a billet to accrue retirement points. If you want camaraderie and brotherhood, join VFW, DVA, American Legion or any other Veterans' Service Organization. Attend their meetings and participate in their volunteer activities, but don't come back in to hang out with other service members who have to go forward while you're on Rear-D. You can't get retired pay from the Guard/Reserve until you're 60 years old anyway and have ample opportunity and time to build a rewarding career outside of the military.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2017 9:45 PM

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You can collect both, I only have a 20% disability and actively drill, there is a form that your commander signs every year that deducts your VA compensations from your drill pay.

Response by PO1 Leo Scott made Aug 10 at 2017 3:25 PM

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Consider one of the vet programs, ie VFW, American Legion, or one of many others. Try to get and active post.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2017 11:54 AM

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PFC Kyle Corcoran This is an old post; however, I wanted to follow-up with you on how you made out and offer some additional suggestions. First, did you rejoin the Reserves or National Guard? Second, if you were/are unable to rejoin due to medical issues, have you checked to see if your state has an official State Guard? I find it to be an incredibly rewarding opportunity to not only continue service in uniform and enjoy camaraderie with fellow veterans, but also an opportunity to provide mentorship and instructions to volunteers without prior service, to include those civilians who join to see if military life is compatible with them. This often leads to enlistment in the federal service. BTW: I am sorry that members thumbed you down. I found this to be an appropriate question for the membership and applaud you for seeking to rejoin the service as much as possible to continue to serve.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Aug 14 at 2017 8:51 PM

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Yes you can, The VA will deduct the man days from your VA Pay

Response by COL Anthony Scotto made Aug 17 at 2017 7:41 PM

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PFC Corcoran, since in a prior post you mentioned a disqualifying condition for the Reserve Components, another alternative is the State Guard/Militia. This is not to be confused with the National Guard and is not typically a paid position. However it offers the opportunity to wear the uniform, serve in a "quasi-military" unit, and continue to assist your State and local community in an honorable manner. The State Militia serves entirely at the pleasure of the Governor & TAG and cannot be mobilized by the President. These units typically support the National Guard during periods natural disasters and other domestic issues with administrative manpower such as manning the State Emergency Operations Center (EOC), food distribution points, and evacuation shelters. They have military unit designations, wear military uniforms (State flags not American flags), and a formal chain of command.

Response by LTC Michael Parker made Aug 18 at 2017 7:31 AM

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I don't know how many times I can say this...fitness standards are captured in AR 40-501. You need to meet the standard per this reg regardless of VA rating.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Aug 24 at 2017 7:30 PM

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I would check first with your local recruiter and then the VA for sure...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 8:30 PM

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For those wondering about this and since the original posting is overcome by events, here's the deal.
Assuming you still qualify to be in the military (after all, you are getting disability for something significant enough to get compensation) then the answer is yes. However, you will forfeit an amount of compensation equal to the amount of total days of duty.
So there becomes a calculus. At what point does it become a net money loser? Well, your current rank matters. Assuming that you perform a standard Reserve year of 48 UTAs and 14 days of AT, you will forfeit roughly 17% of your comp pay. If you are an E-4 w/o dependents (that matters too) and 6 years in, then the magic line ends up being between the 90 and 100% level. In other words, unless you are completely broken, you come out ahead by serving as a junior troop.
For an E-7 with 12 years in and two dependents, the magic line is near the 90% level, but he's still slightly ahead in pay.
The more active duty time you serve the less good the deal gets. If you were to deploy, your disability comp gets turned off altogether.
Now where it gets squirrely is that in the USAR, you will have periodic heath assessments. These can screw up your compensation rating, as many get periodically reviewed, especially on a younger veteran and those service medical records are accessible by VA.
Another thing to consider is that your retirement pay will be less than your compensation if you are getting 70% or more (assuming you don't stay in forever and earn a boatload of points). So you are basically doing it for nothing BUT comeradery and service to nation.

Response by GySgt Thomas Reichard made Aug 30 at 2017 9:56 AM

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Easy answer, it's a big fat NO.

If you are receiving any type of Military pay (other than retirement) you can not at the same time receive V.A. disability pay.

I was recalled from retirement twice, 2001 & 2004, and I asked the same question to the wrong person. I wound up having to repay a few $K. Didn't really hurt me but it was unexpected.

The second time back I got in touch with the V.A. right away to have it stopped.

If you wan't to stay in the game in a Reserve role, by all means do so. You can drill for points and earn a retirement you just can't get paid while doing it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2017 6:15 PM

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You can. Even if you don't say anything to the VA you can. They will eventually start pro rating it for you.

Response by Col Jincy Hayes made Sep 3 at 2017 5:29 PM

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Your VA disability payments would stop. You could join the Reserve, but not many units want to get a guy who has already been rated by VA for disability.

Response by LTC Gene Moser made Sep 3 at 2017 9:42 PM

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I would think the amount of disability and what it is would have some great bearing on the answer.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 11:31 PM

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yes you can, the guard and reserves will work with you.

Response by COL David Barillo made Sep 22 at 2017 1:48 PM

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This raises an interesting question. You would need to meet the medical standards of AR 40-501 to come back in, but would they consider you a new recruit (with higher standards) or with prior service would you come under the less stringent standards for retention of existing servicemembers? I know several Reservists that were drawing VA compensation- when they got activated and began drawing active duty pay, their VA compensation had to stop. It takes the VA several months to put the checks on hold so they all had to pay back VA money they continued receiving while on active duty.

Response by MSG Jerry O'Rourke made Sep 26 at 2017 8:33 AM

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Here is the regulation in which as a prior service applicant you will have to understand. Please pay attention to each section and look for what applies to your disability. This is where you need to start to see if your qualified. Good luck in school and thanks for your service.
Army Regulation 601–210
Personnel Procurement
Regular Army and Reserve Components Enlistment Program
AR 601–210 • 31 August 2016

4–23. Nonwaiverable disqualifying separations or discharges
The following are nonwaiverable separations and/or discharges:
a.Physically disqualified.
b. Military Personnel Security Program.
c. Release from entry on AD by reason of physical disability and reversion to inactive status for the purpose of retirement under 10 USC 12731 through 12738, instead of discharge with entitlement to receive disability retirement pay.
d. Physical disability resulting from intentional misconduct or willful neglect, or incurred during period of unauthorized absence. No entitlement to severance pay.
e. Desertion or dropped from rolls.
f. Permanently retired by reason of physical disability.
g. Retirement after 20 years of active Federal service.
h. Officers removed from active or inactive service by reason of having attained maximum age or service (AR 140–10).
i. Discharged by reason of conscientious objection (AR 600–43).
j. Previous separation for unfitness, unsuitability, unsatisfactory performance, misconduct, or bar to reenlistment, with 18 or more years of active Federal service completed.
k. Applicant for retirement and persons receiving retired, retirement, or retainer pay, except for combat-wounded personnel (see chap 5, sec XIII). This prohibition is not applicable to reservists who are members of the Retired Reserve and who are not receiving retired, retirement, or retainer pay.
l. Person with an other than honorable, bad conduct, or dishonorable discharge.
m. Person with PS last discharged from any component of the U.S. Armed Forces for drug or alcohol abuse, or as rehabilitation failure during last period of service.
n. Person barred from reenlistment by a qualitative management board by HQDA or ARNG and coded RE–4.

Section XII Special Processing for Members Removed from the Temporary Disability Retired List
5–48. General As the result of a periodic physical examination, a former Army enlisted member on the TDRL may be determined physically fit for return to duty. If so, the member may be enlisted in the RA or USAR when his or her name has been 62 properly removed from the TDRL, and if requirements of this section are met. Regardless of RE Code, Soldiers being removed from TDRL will be processed in accordance with paragraph 5–51.

5–49. Enlistment within 90 days of removal from the temporary disability retired list Enlistments within 90 days of removal from the TDRL after being found fit for duty will be made without regard to basic enlistment qualifications for PS persons described in chapter 3 or disqualifications described in chapter 4, except as provided below: a. Waiver is required if applicant is subject to any of the waiverable disqualifications in chapter 4, but this is not applicable if all convictions or adjudications occurred, or pleas were entered, before applicant’s placement on the TDRL.

b. Such persons will be enlisted in the permanent pay grade held on the day before the date their names were placed on the TDRL.

c. Enlistment of such persons will be made without medical examination if— (1) No intervening illness or injury since the examination resulted in removal from the TDRL. (2) The person signs a statement to that effect on DA Form 3283 (Statements of Member Removed from the Temporary Disability Retired List).

d. Persons who have incurred an illness or injury since the examination resulting in their removal from the TDRL must undergo a complete medical examination. They must qualify for enlistment under medical standards given in AR 40–501. A person does not have to meet medical standards for the specific disability that caused his or her name to be placed on the TDRL.

e. Persons will be enlisted for 3 years in the RA. Enlistment must be in the same component from which the Soldier was placed on TDRL. MEPS will complete DD Form 4 and publish enlistment orders. Assignment for MOS qualified applicants, regardless of rank, will be obtained from HRC. Enlistment will be accomplished in the same manner as all other PS enlistments. DD Form 1966 is required and a REQUEST reservation will be made. For those applicants not MOS qualified or who require BCT or AIT (if placed on TDRL before completion), BCT and AIT may be obtained via normal REQUEST reservation. For USAR, assignment to a Selected Reserve unit is required.

5–50. Enlistment beyond 90 days after removal from temporary disability retired list Former enlisted members who do not reenlist in their respective component within 90 days of removal from the TDRL must meet all PS standards and qualifications at time of enlistment.

5–51. Information to applicants a. Applicants will be told that enlistment under this section is not an exemption from retention standards in effect at the time the person applies for reenlistment. Enlistment may be accomplished according to 10 USC 1211a. b. Applicant records will be screened carefully so that— (1) Applicants will be aware of conditions under which their enlistments are made. (2) No undue hardship will be imposed at a later date as a result of their decision to enlist. c. Applicant will be advised that they may request consideration to next higher grade if they were so entitled or eligible while on TDRL.
5–52. Information regarding persons who waive entitlement to disability retirement or severance pay Persons enlisted under this section will be required, before enlistment, to waive present entitlement to disability retirement or severance pay. These persons will not be denied severance or disability retirement compensation when ultimately separated or retired from service. At that time, the disqualifying defect will be reevaluated under physical standards in effect when the defect was first determined and standards in effect at the time of final evaluation. The Soldier will be separated or retired under the standards most advantageous to him or her. The waiver procedures in paragraph 5–47 also applies to persons identified section.
Regards,

Gerald M. O'Rourke (MSG Retired)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2017 2:47 PM

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Sure you can join the reserves if you receive VA, but the catch is that you are not supposed to receive drill pay and VA pay at the same time. You would have to waive one or the other and if you do get both, VA will recoup from your disability pay. That's only a small thing; the big question is if you meet the standard of medical fitness AR 40-501........ You might want to check it out, to see if the disabilities you have may disqualify you from entering reserve duty.........

Response by CW2 S Leonard made Oct 2 at 2017 8:46 PM

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Hi PFC Corcoran, the simple response is yes, you can join the Reserves or National Guard. Please note that the VA will recoup disability compensation for the days you drill. Meaning if you receive $868.58, you would take that amount divide by 30(days)...$868x4(representing drill dates [4 MUTAs = 2 drill dates] then divide by 30=) the amount you own the VA for drilling for one month. The VA considers being paid for a Drill Date (MUTA) as double-dipping, note 10 U.S.C. 12316 and 38 U.S.C. 5304(c) prohibit the concurrent receipt of drill pay and Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) disability compensation or pension. There is a VAF=VA Form 21-8951 that you would use to receive/waive drill day in lieu of VA Compensation benefits (or vice versa). I hope this helps.

Response by LTC Bill Price made Oct 18 at 2017 12:45 AM

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If you meet the physical and mental requirements to be a soldier, how is it that you are collecting disability?

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2017 9:03 AM

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I'll add my comments as a former USAF Squadron Commander (one AD, one Reserve). I'm not totally sure of the legality of a disabled vet re-entering the Reserve or Guard, but I would respectfully decline such a person joining my unit. Please hear me out, because I have been slammed on this site for this opinion in the past...but if I'm responsible for 200 or more "combat ready" troops, I want them all 100% ready to deploy. Countless Reserve and Guard personnel with hidden medical issues for years, requested MEBs when asked to deploy in the beginning of OEF. I had a physician friend who got a full time job at an Army hospital and all she did was review Reserve and Guard records when a troop said something like, "well I can't deploy, I had a quadruple cardiac bypass last year" ... or other such real comments. You need to be ready to go at a moment's notice. What about a troop with PTSD? Wouldn't we just, potentially, add to his/her disorder? Yes, the "brotherhood" is something that is almost impossible to duplicate on the outside, but if you have valid medical issues that are enough to compensate you, you probably need to volunteer with a fire department or a State Guard or at any local level... they'd love to have your talent.

Response by SPC Dwight Turner made Nov 5 at 2017 12:31 AM

2017-11-05T00:31:33-04:00

i know the feeling i get ssa but get medical care from va such as x- rays glasses and other things dont think but like you i love to go back diagnosed with bipolar and emotinal depression they wouldnt take me back um i'm also 61 they said " i cant recieve any retirement with lack of points i served 18yrs 3 active 15 reserve but 5 years without a unit now by chance if you have enough points you might be able to getting your retirement unless your not 60 yet check with va couselor better yet theres a number in tennesse you can call which will help you you had to serve active duty they can help you i'm going to work on getting mine but i miss my fellow soldiers as well
when i have to have x-rays or anything done in danville i stop by see nurses who took care of me my hats off to them !!!!! 80 days on lock down unit was hectic and rough felt like a prisoner sure it helped me though getting ssa counselor and caseworker spent alot of time doctor i had was great came in checked on us 3 days week ok ok i know little far fetched i got treated better being there than i do now
i live with my ex wife she's been great taking care of me hey local va officer can help to if your unable to drive i have my ex drive me places i can but refuse to with all crazys on the street geeze
its rough but take time to your needs right now when i see another vet i take time to listen even share ideas getting input from them they might know another way to getting assitance dont ruin what you have now i served 18yrs as a cook sure its hard but look at it governments helping you be greatful they are alot of viet nam vets still suffer sometime your out and about check local va legion posts or vfw you'll see then but be good to others and yourself most of all invovle your family thats a big help to !!!!!
my ex wife right now is all i have except in st.louis whats left of my foster family ugghhh its hard but most of all respect yourself others will help you hold your head high in the end were still soldiers wether were in or out !!!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2017 10:42 AM

2017-11-09T10:42:24-05:00

When I was in the Guard Ten percent was no problem. Take your DD-214 to a Unit and ask the Technician in charge. The Tech will know which Regulation to verify your question.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Nov 16 at 2017 3:27 PM

2017-11-16T15:27:32-05:00

It depends on if you want to give up your VA pension! Further, you may not get it back afterwards! Find a new mission in life! That is what I am doing

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Nov 16 at 2017 3:28 PM

2017-11-16T15:28:11-05:00

You can also join the Coast Guard Auxiliary! I did!!

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Nov 16 at 2017 3:37 PM

2017-11-16T15:37:11-05:00

There is civil service Bro!

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Nov 29 at 2017 7:26 PM

2017-11-29T19:26:40-05:00

YES

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Dec 3 at 2017 9:50 AM

2017-12-03T09:50:24-05:00

No you have been declared disabled the services will not take you back.

Response by LTC Preston Funkhouser made Dec 21 at 2017 9:45 PM

2017-12-21T21:45:43-05:00

Kyle, With no intent to disparage in any way your disability, if you are able and willing to rejoin the service, best of luck to you. Take the new job and don't worry about the disability. very respectfully, an Old Soldier.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2018 4:45 AM

2018-01-04T04:45:34-05:00

Why would you want to??

Response by CPO David Sharp made Jan 8 at 2018 5:52 AM

2018-01-08T05:52:02-05:00

How can anyone physically qualify for military duty with a disability? This sounds a bit too far fetched.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2018 6:41 PM

2018-03-18T18:41:10-04:00

The answer is that it depends. The chances are that you might not be able to pass MEPS and AR 40-501 requirements for enlistment/commissioning in the US Military if you are disabled enough to qualify for compensation.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2018 6:41 PM

2018-03-18T18:41:53-04:00

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2018 10:07 PM

2018-03-18T22:07:42-04:00

Well, you tried. But yes you can join any service if you have a VA rated disability. But, it depends on the condition. Like if you had a rated disability for hemorrhoids or something somewhat benign.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made May 28 at 2019 12:07 PM

2019-05-28T12:07:51-04:00

Contact Recruiter/Station Commander and inquire fir the correct and current answer.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2021 9:01 AM

2021-01-25T09:01:04-05:00

Yes