https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:47:13 -0400 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> PFC Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:47:13 -0400 2018-04-24T11:47:13-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3572752&urlhash=3572752 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Stop get of the internet with your current legal issues and go see JAG TDS is a free use it. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:02:58 -0400 2018-04-24T12:02:58-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3572884&urlhash=3572884 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I highly recommend you take the course of action suggested to you. Nothing told to you on this forum is binding in any way, nor does it protect you. <br />But it could hurt you. MSG David Johnson Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:38:43 -0400 2018-04-24T12:38:43-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3572939&urlhash=3572939 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A counseling is non punitive. Corrective action can be construed as punishment if administered inappropriately. Speak to JAG and thank you for your service. CSM Darieus ZaGara Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:59:16 -0400 2018-04-24T12:59:16-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3573082&urlhash=3573082 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is not double jeopardy. Corrective training/action is not punishment. If you are late to formation, your NCO can give you a counseling and have you show up early for a week in order to train you to show up on time and at the same time your PL can recommend that you receive a summarized art 15 because you make a habit of showing up late. Usually, or at least what I always did, was wait until I have three or so counselings that deal with negative actions in a certain time frame, usually 30-60 days, and if those happen then I would recommend an Art 15 on the grounds of pattern of misconduct and more than likely I&#39;ll get that through. Getting an Art. 15 for one offense, unless it is pretty damning, usually doesn&#39;t happen. SGT Joseph Gunderson Tue, 24 Apr 2018 14:05:08 -0400 2018-04-24T14:05:08-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3573216&urlhash=3573216 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If done correctly, no it is not. Example: Drunk on duty- Company Grade Article 15, 14 &amp; 14. Counseling &amp; corrective action- referred to ADAPCP. One is judgment and punishment for the crime, the second is to address the contributing factors. conditions, and behavior that resulted in the crime. SFC J Fullerton Tue, 24 Apr 2018 14:53:06 -0400 2018-04-24T14:53:06-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3573483&urlhash=3573483 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Way way too vague- A counseling statement with CORRECTIVE action, is not construed to be punishment but as CORRECTIVE Action. An Art15 is punishment after an investigation concludes you did violate UCMJ. Our talk is cheap, you have the right to see JAG at any time, and quite frankly- they are the only ones who can help you in legal matters. Get off your 4th POC and go see them, with your paperwork in hand. SGM Bill Frazer Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:10:34 -0400 2018-04-24T17:10:34-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3573843&urlhash=3573843 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NJP = Non Judicial Punishment (emphasis on Non) CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:09:50 -0400 2018-04-24T19:09:50-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3575661&urlhash=3575661 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nope...totally double jeopardy....can&#39;t do it.....unconstitutional...you have rights....demand trial by court martial and you&#39;ll walk....<br /><br />All of that advice was sarcasm and probably shouldn&#39;t be followed. You should go talk to JAG. They can advise you of what your best COA is. Or if you don&#39;t trust them, pay for a lawyer off post who specializes in military law. SGT David T. Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:32:58 -0400 2018-04-25T12:32:58-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3575684&urlhash=3575684 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Report to directly to JAG, don&#39;t pass go, and don&#39;t collect $200s. Oh,,, and most importantly Soldier...Stay out of trouble!!! MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:39:44 -0400 2018-04-25T12:39:44-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=3575696&urlhash=3575696 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>no first cover your ass in us army 24/7 PO2 Richard Blakey Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:42:11 -0400 2018-04-25T12:42:11-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=4227277&urlhash=4227277 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It depends on if you have been given a council on the issue before and the severity of your action. A double jeopardy doesn&#39;t really exist as far as counseling statements go, as you can be counselled by different people for the same issue. SGT Patrick Danielson Sat, 22 Dec 2018 10:19:39 -0500 2018-12-22T10:19:39-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=4286895&urlhash=4286895 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, you can receive both. Make the changes you need to make, so that will be your final Article 15 and negative counseling statement. Accept the consequences and figure out how you turn this around. 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:04:50 -0500 2019-01-14T18:04:50-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=4381674&urlhash=4381674 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. Absolutely you can. Two different actions. Counseling statements are a historical record of service while under a particular command. SFC Cynthia Eyer Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:22:55 -0500 2019-02-19T13:22:55-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=5567450&urlhash=5567450 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If I get an article 15 and then a Coinciding on top of that what happenes next SGT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:59:45 -0500 2020-02-16T22:59:45-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=5634255&urlhash=5634255 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. Command may use the counselling statement as a basis for issuing further NJP. no. It isn&#39;t additional punishment, or punishment again, just further needed corrective action. SGT Larry Braswell Fri, 06 Mar 2020 09:46:03 -0500 2020-03-06T09:46:03-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=6262426&urlhash=6262426 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Its NJP. So yes. Figure out what is going wrong and engineer a work-around so you can put the situation behind you. SSG Paul Headlee Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:10:38 -0400 2020-08-31T07:10:38-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-i-receive-a-counseling-statment-with-corrective-action-and-an-article-15-for-the-same-mistake-can-this-considered-as-a-double-jeopardy?n=6946686&urlhash=6946686 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well if they started with a article 15 first and then a counseling is a little backwards but OH YES it can and should be done Counseling Article 15 then Counseling every day week or month <br />Young soldier You are not a civilian MSG Reid Zohfeld Mon, 03 May 2021 11:32:18 -0400 2021-05-03T11:32:18-04:00 2018-04-24T11:47:13-04:00