Can I wear my UCP cold weather coat over my OCP uniform?

2015-12-01T11:06:40-05:00

I've been wearing the new camouflage pattern since the week it was authorized (and they're great) and there hasn't been any problems until the cold weather started to kick in. The Battalion put out a required uniform of wearing our issued cold-water jacket, gloves, and fleece cap.
Here's where things DO get Hooah: We are not issued Multicam/Scorpion patterned gear unless you deploy and go through RFI. For soldiers like myself, who purchased the new uniform, we still have UCP-patterned gear. I wore the UCP cold-weather over my OCP uniform (and I totally understand how jacked up it looks, but had no option) and a 1SG of another company tells me the 10th MAN DIV SGM put out that doing that was unauthorized. I then spoke to my PSG, he said it's authorized but discouraged. Company 1SG said it's authorized, CO said it's authorized but wants to see the policy that was put out stating it.
I HAVE looked. Maybe my Google-fu is rusty. I am not finding anything answering this question, but I haven't stopped searching. Since I found this such a hard question with blurry answers, I thought it'd be good to discuss and debate on Rallypoint. Thoughts? Anyone have their own post policies with authorizations about this? Has it just been a by-commander thing so far? I don't recall anything about this in AR 670-1; only that you can't mix, say, your UCP trousers with OCP coat, or wear the new shirt with the old uniform. Nothing about cold-weather clothing - or even body armor, etc., for that matter.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 1 at 2015 11:23 AM

2015-12-01T11:23:06-05:00

The Army is aware. There is no issue.

http://www.ncosupport.com/military-training/mixed-army-uniforms.html

Soldiers can mix camo patterns for cold-weather gear

Many Soldiers now wear their Army Combat Uniform, or ACU, in the new Operational Camouflage Pattern, or OCP. But their organizational clothing and individual equipment, or OCIE, such as their wet-weather gear

Response by SPC Jeff Zimmerman made Dec 1 at 2015 11:38 AM

2015-12-01T11:38:05-05:00

Looks like question 3 answers your question.

http://www.army.mil/article/156735/Frequently_Asked_Questions__Operational_Camouflage_Pattern_Uniform/

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2015 11:39 AM

2015-12-01T11:39:00-05:00

http://www.army.mil/article/159254/Soldiers_can_mix_camo_patterns_for_cold_weather_gear/

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 1 at 2015 11:46 AM

2015-12-01T11:46:49-05:00

The 10th Mountain FB page just shared a link OK'ing the mixing of patterns. So here in the next few days you'll likely be hearing your chain of command say that THEY said it's ok ;o)

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2015 11:59 AM

2015-12-01T11:59:41-05:00

I appreciate all the immediate answers, everyone. However, the particular 1SG who name-dropped our DIV SGM on the topic really likes me. Does anyone have anything from SGM Lewis on the matter?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2015 1:02 PM

2015-12-01T13:02:49-05:00

The army specifically released a message that said they are aware not everyone has OCP cold weather gear and TA-50 and that Soldiers are authorized to mix and match as required until issued the new gear, or it otherwise becomes available.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2015 1:38 PM

2015-12-01T13:38:46-05:00

http://soldiersystems.net/2015/06/01/us-army-issues-implementation-details-ocp-transition/

Check out the table at the bottom. Short version: you can wear UCP gear with your OCP uniform until 1 October, 2019, but it has to be 100% UCP. No mixing and matching.

US Army Issues Implementation Details For OCP Transition - Soldier Systems Daily

Today, the Army officially announced that OCP uniforms would be available in US Army clothing sale stores 1 July, 2015. They also released these slides which detail how the uniforms are to be worn. The information is in line with the draft ALARACT we recently spoke about except they’ve relented on headgear for the OCP variants which can now be worn with the MultiCam or Scorpion versions. You really need to go back and read the draft ALARACT...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2015 3:27 PM

2015-12-01T15:27:57-05:00

http://www.ncosupport.com/military-training/mixed-army-uniforms.html

Soldiers can mix camo patterns for cold-weather gear

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2015 3:27 PM

2015-12-01T15:27:57-05:00

http://www.ncosupport.com/military-training/mixed-army-uniforms.html

Soldiers can mix camo patterns for cold-weather gear

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 12:12 PM

2018-12-08T12:12:53-05:00

Look up alaract 085-2015. This alaract message was issued before updates to the reg in regards to the wear of the OCP ACU.
You are allowed to mix and match OCIE equipment unless it is the OEF-CP patterned equipment, since multicam is trademarked.

So yes you can wear UCP cold weather ECWCS gear with the OCP ACU until the wear out date of 30SEP2019