Can my unit defer my PCS orders?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:32:36 -0500

My unit trying to defer my pcs orders saying that the command doesn't have enough, but they have more than enough. I been on fort hood for the pass five and half years it's time for me to go and have a change. I saw the light at the end of the tunnel

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Nov 13 at 2016 2:43 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:43:51 -0500

Welcome to the Army.

What part of needs of the Army Confuses you?

Response by SFC Randy Purham made Nov 13 at 2016 3:31 PM

SFC Randy Purham — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:31:13 -0500

Not for that reason. Unless it is anticipating an immediate deployment. The BN or BDE CSM typically makes that determination and request through your branch manager. If your orders were deferred consider the probability of going somewhere soon.

Response by SSG Richard Stevens made Nov 13 at 2016 4:34 PM

SSG Richard Stevens — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:34:01 -0500

Yes they can it's not your unit it is the Department of the army they deferred mine when I was in Germany back in the 80s

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 6:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:38:40 -0500

You "don't" have to sign the 4187 for the deferment. With that said, that doesn't mean your CDR isn't going to make a big stink at the next level if he"s already trying to retain you. Just shoot your branch manager an e-mail saying that you prefer disapproval of the action.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Nov 13 at 2016 6:52 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:52:35 -0500

Yes, your CSM can effect a deferment, without out your "permission". If the orders come down again from DA, they will likley be "No deferment/ no deletion" and you will PCS as ordered. Sometimes that takes a third time.

The BDE/DIV will need to justify your authorized position and you filling that line number. Your perception that the unit "has enough" means little and is likley not ground truth..though it may look that way from your fox hole.

If the new position you're headed to is a mandated fill (DS, AIT PSG, Recruiter. ROTC) you likley will get a second set of orders noted "No deferment/ no deletion"... and your unit will have no choice. If not that kind of a slated position, you're likley staying till the next ORders cycle

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 11:44 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:44:24 -0500

No I didn't relist for a duty station, I just came down on orders. The only duty position I have right now is Squad leader. No I don't want my orders to be deferred, I'm hoping HRC doesn't defer my orders. I need this change of pace.

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 14 at 2016 7:57 PM

SFC George Smith — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:57:41 -0500

yes they can ... the "Stop Loss " Clause ... I was at Ft Bragg in the school house for over 5 straight years... and at Ft Lewis... for 6 years and 5 months... if they need you or your in a key position... Hang Tight...

Response by SGT Joslyn Abram made Nov 15 at 2016 7:28 AM

SGT Joslyn Abram — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:28:14 -0500

Omg i have been there and it ruined my career. I got there in 93 and only way i got off ft hood was to medical. That was 99.same company ,platoon and squad. With all the other NCOs there i would never have got E7 due even if i would have went to the BNOC I would never get a leadership position. I was suppose to go to Ft Bragg and got sent Ft hood. I tried everything even to go back to Korea. HEAVY TRUCK

Response by SFC Robert Escher made Nov 15 at 2016 7:38 AM

SFC Robert Escher — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:38:02 -0500

What a change. Although I have been out of the service 24 years now. You were always on a regular rotation to Germany and back to your "home Station" to Korea or a short tour and back to your home station. DA had not updated my promotable MOS and since they didn't I didn't go anywhere for six years while at FT Hood. I had a job I loved and then they corrected my MOS and I had to do everything I missed immediately ( except get promoted twice in my primary MOS which I missed because my promotable MOS was wrong)
Nowadays you get to turn down assignments, ask for and get deferments and even get to PCS to another duty station in the US? Wow nice not in my day that I recall.

As they used to say the army ( including your unit) will do what they want to do. Fighting your unit because YOU want to leave doesn't sound right to me. I can see asking for a transfer but to keep on fighting for it I believe is wrong
My former two cents

Response by SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder made Nov 15 at 2016 8:07 AM

SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:07:18 -0500

Soldiers are confronted with this all the time in the 82nd. Suck it up and drive on.

Response by SPC Kathleen Harris made Nov 15 at 2016 8:35 AM

SPC Kathleen Harris — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:35:28 -0500

Wow, back in the good ole' days, when my ex-husband was in. He wanted to re-enlist, we were at Fort Carson. He put in his dream sheet, listing all the places he would like to be stationed at. He had already spent 4 years in Germany. When he got his orders, they wanted to send him back to his original unit in Germany. he didn't re-enlist but spent the rest of his Army career as a reservist. This was back in the 70's, nobody we know spend more than a year or 2 back in the states.

Response by SGT David Petree made Nov 16 at 2016 12:42 PM

SGT David Petree — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:42:28 -0500

if u are in a shortage mos they could Flag your orders. then U will be stuck there until it is lifted.

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Nov 18 at 2016 5:54 PM

SFC Charles Temm — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:54:35 -0500

short answer is yes...had it happen to me and saw it multiple times...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2022 10:21 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:21:49 -0500

Hi, I had been looking online at HRC deferments and trying to get info myself because I was wondering how long a deferment takes to send up and be returned. My unit sent up an operational deferment to delete an NCO upcoming DS School dates to be pushed back a few months due to a rotation , the SM is to report to school in 2 months and SM and myself has emailed his Branch manager/Talent manager as well as the DS Branch and they have yet to see the deferment yet and told the SM to continue to plan to report but the SM COC and NCO support channel has been giving the SM different answers saying they are waiting for the deferment the past 3 months. The SM was DA selected by HRC for DS school as well.