Can my unit make me come in to work while I’m attending blc?

2021-05-21T16:14:22-04:00

Currently attending blc. Unit keeps trying to have me come in to work since they lost a peq and want 100% accountability to help look for it (been looking for it the past week). Is this allowed

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 4:37 PM

2021-05-21T16:37:35-04:00

Not sure it is allowed or not, but certainly shitty to make someone do... BLC requires a lot of after hours work. I would talk with you FLL and let them know of all your after hour commitments with BLC and request to not come in. However, the other side of that coin is as an NCO; the expectations is we are always ready for whatever we need to do and the workday end, when it ends... Hope it works out for you.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 21 at 2021 4:38 PM

2021-05-21T16:38:37-04:00

Are you a member of the unit or not?
Doesn’t sound like it

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 4:51 PM

2021-05-21T16:51:29-04:00

Your place of duty is your NCOES. You need to bring this up to your SGM

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 4:59 PM

2021-05-21T16:59:31-04:00

Technically, you are TDY to your NCOES and fall under the command of the academy. You are assigned on orders to the school, with a report date and an end date.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 5:08 PM

2021-05-21T17:08:12-04:00

No - because during BLC that's your place of duty. Who in your unit keeps trying to have you come in? If it's your supervisors go to the 1SG. If it's 1SG to the BN CSM.

Response by SGT Chris Stephens made May 21 at 2021 5:25 PM

2021-05-21T17:25:57-04:00

No, you are not required to go in. You are on orders to BLC. There is no regulation that allows your unit to force you to come in when you're on orders to NCOES

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 5:44 PM

2021-05-21T17:44:49-04:00

Your orders to BLC essentially attach you to the Academy for the duration of the course. In essence, you don't belong to your unit right now.
They are just expecting you to not fight and give in and show up because you don't know any better (units use that ploy a LOT).
I'd love to see the phone and email chain of those trying to do this. I'm guessing it went like this. "Hey, we're missing a PEQ, so call everyone in and look for it". as that filters down the chain some E5 or E6 sees that is call in everyone at school, leave, deployment, chemo, jail, taliban training camp etc to come in and look.....because they don't know how to think and are still thinking like joes...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 6:10 PM

2021-05-21T18:10:21-04:00

Well you are on orders for the school. Your unit has no right to call you in. Take it up with the leadership at the school as they are your proper chain of command while on orders for school.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 6:15 PM

2021-05-21T18:15:14-04:00

Have you talked with your CoC? Your 1SG didnt know you had been recalled.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 7:03 PM

2021-05-21T19:03:11-04:00

Your place of duty is conducting your NCOES of its online. If you chain of command is not help bring the issue to your CSM. You can’t loose be absent of class just because.

If all fails make sure you talk to your SGL about the issue.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 7:10 PM

2021-05-21T19:10:17-04:00

If you're on orders to a school, your Command should respect that, unless situation dictates otherwise. No idea on Army.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2021 9:43 PM

2021-05-21T21:43:18-04:00

NCOES is a 1059 producing school, which gives your unit the ability to account for time you spent temporarily assigned to another unit. When you are attending that school, you belong to TRADOC.

Tell your SGL, they can bring it up to the commandant.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2021 10:40 AM

2021-05-22T10:40:45-04:00

How is this even an issue? I remember when I took WLC, one trainee was told there were admin issues she needed to help clear up for her Unit on the SIDE of WLC, but that should in no way, shape or form prevent you from doing your utmost at BLC.

Escalate the issue if this persists.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made May 22 at 2021 2:40 PM

2021-05-22T14:40:06-04:00

Try as they might, they can't.
Bring it up discreetly to your BDE CSM, as they are usually interested in BLC attendance.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made May 22 at 2021 3:30 PM

2021-05-22T15:30:07-04:00

SMDH

Response by SSG Eric Blue made May 22 at 2021 3:31 PM

2021-05-22T15:31:08-04:00

I'm not going to say anything else because the other NCOs have already covered it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2021 3:39 PM

2021-05-22T15:39:59-04:00

To further clarify, NCO Academies and other schools on post have a memorandum of agreement, or make the unit sign a memorandum of agreement, stating that the Soldier belongs to the school house 100% during the course. This memo is submitted as part of your packet, if there isn't already a standing post policy in place. The purpose is to prevent exactly this type of thing from happening. If your unit hinders your school it can have lasting and career ending effects on a Soldier when that school is an NCOES.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made May 23 at 2021 7:04 AM

2021-05-23T07:04:44-04:00

Everyone, including myself, agrees you have no obligation to return to your unit. Now that we know that, why are you even being approached? Was the PEQ in your custody recently? Did you, by your billet, have some involvement in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance? No, you shouldn't be expected to roaming around in the boonies turning over leaves looking for it, but perhaps an hour of your time could clear up any ambiguity about your having knowledge of the PEQs disappearance. Might prevent your being tied up for a longer period of time when the person assigned to officially investigate the disappearance is assigned.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2021 7:14 PM

2021-05-23T19:14:42-04:00

Soldiers in my unit attending BLC and ALC were temporarily detached from my unit and did not conduct any duties or missions regular or extra with my unit until after they completed their schooling. At most they reported their status to their leadership, and of course to the 1SG who wanted to know if they were on track to pass.

If your leadership is attempting to pull you from your established place of duty which is BLC, inform your next higher. The 1SG and the CSM I'm sure would be more than interested to know who is attempting to interfere with the success of your graduation and advancement as an NCO.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2021 10:34 AM

2021-05-24T10:34:07-04:00

Negative

Response by CW2 Michael Mullikin made May 27 at 2021 3:53 PM

2021-05-27T15:53:54-04:00

You are accounted for, school is your place of duty.