Can the Army National Guard train Reserve Soldiers?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:47:15 -0500

Can the Army National Guard train a Soldier in Modern Army Combatives?

Is it possible for a Reserve Soldier to take an APFT or a Weapon's Qual with a National Guard unit?

Provided the Reserve unit is paying the Soldier to train, of course.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 6:45 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:45:47 -0500

SGT Private RallyPoint Member I was doing vice versa earlier this year. I split drilled with a Reserve unit as I was awaiting my transfer. Had to complete a DA 1380 for each month. I did an APFT with the Reserve unit, but Weapon's Qual.....it would take more coordination to ensure they have allocated ammo.

Response by MSG John Wirts made Dec 10 at 2014 7:02 PM

MSG John Wirts — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:02:20 -0500

When I was in the California Air National Guard, the Tennessee Air National Guard started its National Guard NCO Academy. Guardsmen from all over the U.S. both Air And Army were trained there. Later I was an Instructor At the 6237 USAR School, at Camp Parks CA, The name was later changed to the 6237 USARF School. The National Guard insisted because it was a USAR School it was only for reserves. So it became a USAR Forces school and the National Guard schools were not authorized. While the National Guard was running their own NCO Academy the Reserve Instructors were tasked to serve as instructors at the National Guard School. When a Reservist transferred to the Guard any Reserve training counted met the Guard training requirements. But When a Guardsman transferred to the Reserves, Any National Guard training, often did not satisfy Reserve requirements especially not NCOES courses.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Dec 10 at 2014 7:08 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:08:08 -0500

Same training, same standards couldn't imagine any issues.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 7:08 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:08:56 -0500

The short answer is yes, so long as your commander blesses off on an RST or orders. It shouldn't be hard unless the training has significant liability risk, such as airborne training. MAC might qualify in some commander's eyes.

A good policy would be to go armed with a counter-offer to train some of their Soldiers, if their commander is agreeable. This could be mutually beneficial.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 8:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:23:11 -0500

absolutely. In fact I have stolen Quotas from the guard and sent my reserve soldiers to their schools. You just have to use the 90-45-15 day rules to do it and be I touch with the school house. Many Guard courses will let you send walk ins as long as that Soldier is in a wait status in ATRRS.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Dec 11 at 2014 11:59 AM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:59:20 -0500

Of course! As a Drill Sergeant in fact the National Guard asked the Reserves to train their Pre-IET Soldiers. We gave them APFTs (for practice) and taught them Soldiering skills before they shipped to Basic Training.

When I went to the First Sergeant's course, I attended at Fort Indiantown Gap, which is a National Guard school.

The standards are the same, we wear the same uniform, we can train each other.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2014 11:56 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:56:59 -0500

I don't see why not.

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made Dec 11 at 2014 12:13 PM

COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:13:46 -0500

Theorectically any component Soldier (1 Active, 2 National Guard, 3 Reserve) should be able to attend the training offered by any other component. In reality, it happens but there are beaucratic obstacles that limit its use, effectiveness, and availability. Some details.
- Institutional. TRADOC calls it OASS (One Army School System). The intent is that any component Soldier be able to attend any PME (Professional Military Education) delivered by any component. Achieving this goal will make the institutional delivery of training more effective and efficient.
- Operational. Several different partnering relationships (i.e. AC EN BDE and RC EN BDE, RC MEB with AC DIV) meant to leverage training opportunities and cross component awareness so that we are more effective during employments and deployments.
- Individual. This is probably the weakest area of the three and touches upon the examples that SGT Oliver mentions (combatives, APFT, weapons qual). Success here will depend upon individual Soldier and local commander initiative to make it happen.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 11:45 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 May 2015 23:45:45 -0400

I've been in the both Guard and Reserve; they work together all the time as I have in both capacities. They are all soldiers regardless of component and if they are qualified to teach other soldiers in certain subject they do it as it should be. When I was in the National Guard, we ran an EFMB course and participants included active and reserve soldiers.