Posted on Aug 4, 2021
Can the military give someone a UA over a flu shot?
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i have an email from my LPO stating that the UA was given to me over a flu shot in telework conditions after he told me i was good for the weekend. yes it is stated that he was in touch with me during the drill in question and that i was participating under telework conditions for the drill weekend. however i was marked ua for failing to receive a flushot by the end of sunday that drill weekend with it being communicated i was good due to having an appointment for the flu shot the next day. This all took place in January after we stated to telework drill in October last year. Neither I or my LPO (Leading Petty Officer) were informed of the UA until we were told in April that I was being admin seperated for UA. MILPERSMAN 1001-150 Paragraph 5 Section D If the Service member fails to perform a scheduled IDT period and does not notify the unit CO or NRA by the end of the IDT period(s) in order to reschedule or request AAs, the IDT period is declared an unexcused absence (UA), and the Service
member forfeits the right to earn pay and or points for the IDT
period(s) in question.
member forfeits the right to earn pay and or points for the IDT
period(s) in question.
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Yes, if the unit commander gave a direct order (and a unit training schedule is a direct order from the unit commander), failing to complete that order by the end of the drill can be coded as unsatisfactory performance (U) for 1 to 4 periods of that drill.
Flu shots start on 1 SEP for DoD and the deadlines are around DEC, as this is now August, I am guessing that this is not the first mention of flu shots in your unit, and I am guessing that after 11 months, your unit commander was not fine with you having a future appointment for a flu shot.
Flu shots start on 1 SEP for DoD and the deadlines are around DEC, as this is now August, I am guessing that this is not the first mention of flu shots in your unit, and I am guessing that after 11 months, your unit commander was not fine with you having a future appointment for a flu shot.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
PO3 (Join to see) - First off, you don't have to be so rude or disrespectful. Your original post was extremely hard to follow. I had to read it a couple times. He seems to have missed that your appointment was for the day after drill. No need to be rude about a miscommunication of your post.
Secondly, why didn't you bring all this up before you got discharged? I don't know how the Navy does things but you should have had opportunity to take this to legal I would think.
Third - what do you want to accomplish a month after your discharge?
Secondly, why didn't you bring all this up before you got discharged? I don't know how the Navy does things but you should have had opportunity to take this to legal I would think.
Third - what do you want to accomplish a month after your discharge?
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Clearly there is way more to this story than you originally posted, hence, there were no "facts" to check before I "spouted off".
And though you have since updated the OP, it would seem you are still leaving out information:
You can only be coded U for up to 4 periods per scheduled drill.
But you need 9 Us in a 12 month period to get processed for discharge.
That means you have to miss at least 3 scheduled drills to get processed for discharge.
(Also, you can be discharged for not reporting to the first day of Annual Training).
Yes, they are required to notify you for every drill that they coded U.
And yes they are required to notify you that they are processing a discharge for this.
They only have to mail that to the HOR address they have on file.
You were not discharged for a flu shot, you were discharged for missing 3 (or more) drills, or the first day of Annual Training, or another significant event that you also have not mentioned here.
And though you have since updated the OP, it would seem you are still leaving out information:
You can only be coded U for up to 4 periods per scheduled drill.
But you need 9 Us in a 12 month period to get processed for discharge.
That means you have to miss at least 3 scheduled drills to get processed for discharge.
(Also, you can be discharged for not reporting to the first day of Annual Training).
Yes, they are required to notify you for every drill that they coded U.
And yes they are required to notify you that they are processing a discharge for this.
They only have to mail that to the HOR address they have on file.
You were not discharged for a flu shot, you were discharged for missing 3 (or more) drills, or the first day of Annual Training, or another significant event that you also have not mentioned here.
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CPT (Join to see)
Nothing material to add here. I presume the Navy threshold for discharge and Medical Readiness are on par with the USAR. In the USAR someone wouldn't get the boot for "only" being Red on Flu Shot in MEDPROs.
In terms of "notification" I presume the Navy follows a very similar process of medical readiness, and medical appointments for reservists to stay current with medical services.
Finally............ It's on the individual service member to be aware of their medical readiness status. I presume in the Navy they can check it on-line, and as well call the appointment service phone line to set up an appointment to stay current.
In fact, I will add that many will see it as IDEAL that the Reserve Service member sets up the appointment on their own time (I try and do this as much as I can), because they can get additional payment, and another retirement point on top of the regular battle assembles. Otherwise, if done during a weekend drill it's part of the duty day already being paid for.
For example, I was totally bummed my second CV19 shot fell on a battle assembly weekend.
There are a lot of pages missing to the story.
In terms of "notification" I presume the Navy follows a very similar process of medical readiness, and medical appointments for reservists to stay current with medical services.
Finally............ It's on the individual service member to be aware of their medical readiness status. I presume in the Navy they can check it on-line, and as well call the appointment service phone line to set up an appointment to stay current.
In fact, I will add that many will see it as IDEAL that the Reserve Service member sets up the appointment on their own time (I try and do this as much as I can), because they can get additional payment, and another retirement point on top of the regular battle assembles. Otherwise, if done during a weekend drill it's part of the duty day already being paid for.
For example, I was totally bummed my second CV19 shot fell on a battle assembly weekend.
There are a lot of pages missing to the story.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - I'm with Fuerhoff... What are you hoping to accomplish a month out. Are you looking to be reinstated? What's the end game now?
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If you failed to get a flu shot until February I could see that being an issue.
I don't see how you were discharged for a single day of UA. You normally need several U's (from what research confirms you need 9 missed drills) on the record before the Command moves to discharge an individual. There must be more to the story than what we see in this post.
I don't see how you were discharged for a single day of UA. You normally need several U's (from what research confirms you need 9 missed drills) on the record before the Command moves to discharge an individual. There must be more to the story than what we see in this post.
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