Can the PT test change the turnaround point in the middle of the test making it valid for some people and not others?

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 10:25:46 -0400

This was a re-test as part of a school. The turnaround point was 1/8 mile long. The runners ran further than 2 miles but before the walkers got to the turnaround, they moved it closer (according to schoolhouse cadre). They are going to re-test the runners who failed but say the walkers failed and it's a valid PT test. I was dropped from the course along with one other due to this, I otherwise passed the other events. Is this legal?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 10:58 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 10:58:11 -0400

The walk isn't two miles, so they would have different turnaround points

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Sep 24 at 2019 11:06 AM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:06:39 -0400

The 2 miles run track is that: a total of 2 miles from start to finish. If there are discrepancies the event is null. Having said that, if a decision to challenge it is in consideration, I would suggest a word of caution and be choosy on your battles.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 11:21 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:21:07 -0400

This is one of those areas where I have no idea what the regulation says, but if there is a legitimate concern about the validity of something like an APFT it would be good faith leadership to offer another test.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 12:17 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:17:17 -0400

Without having been present for this APFT, my instincts still tell me there is something amiss with this test. I would submit a challenge to the Cadre and/or the Commandant for the validity of this test.

Response by SSG James James made Sep 24 at 2019 1:08 PM

SSG James James — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:08:59 -0400

Rebuttal with the command.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 2:22 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:22:31 -0400

It's hard to say not knowing all the specifics. Check the regs and check the run/walk course layout for the proper mileage. If you still have your doubts bring it up (TACTFULLY) with the support chain.

Response by CPL Gary Pifer made Sep 24 at 2019 6:38 PM

CPL Gary Pifer — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:38:24 -0400

Everything is legal until contested....

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Sep 24 at 2019 9:44 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:44:41 -0400

Alterations to a test "in progress" call into question the validity of the test regardless of whether everything was done correctly or not. Based on how you describe the course layout below (1 mile out, 1 mile back for runners, with 1/4 mile out 1/4 back additional for walkers), it would not have affected the walkers' time but that is generally irrelevant because the cadre "manipulated a test in progress."

Just because the outcome wasn't affected (for walkers) doesn't mean they were justified in not invalidating the test when they realized they had a bad course layout.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Sep 24 at 2019 10:31 PM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:31:17 -0400

In the words of my belived Abigail Scuito: Something's hinky here. Defintely bring this up the chain. Absolute worst case is no change, and the drop from the course stands.