Can the title of "NCOIC" be put on DA Form 2166-9-2 as Principal Duty Title?

2022-03-24T10:01:02-04:00

I've been going back and forth with my SGM about my Principal Duty Title for my NCOER. He says it needs to match the TDA while I have found I don't necessarily have to. AR 623-3, Table 3-8, Principal Duty Title: Enter Principal Duty Title that matches the unit force management document (TDA) OR that most accurately reflects actual duties performed. Seeing as how I have been put in the position of NCOIC for the last 15 months that would be a more accurate reflection of my duties performed. And, nothing states that I have to put what the TDA has me slotted as/in. Comments????

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Mar 24 at 2022 10:27 AM

2022-03-24T10:27:48-04:00

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member I have concluded NCOIC is an obsolete title. Once a Recruiting Station NCOIC told me that he was to be addressed as a “Station Leader”, I felt I had a handle on how NCOs are treated in the new Army!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2022 10:48 AM

2022-03-24T10:48:54-04:00

Well.....you could go with what the UMR says for the Line/Paragraph description is and put in the Area of Emphasis that you're the NCOIC but that wouldn't be most accurate. In all honesty, it's going to boil down to what your Rater and Senior Rater says. Ask them what they think.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2022 11:15 AM

2022-03-24T11:15:34-04:00

Your CSM is the most senior enlisted person in your organization, and they should have input on your NCOER. The duty position you want as your title is the one that your DA Pam 600-25 says you need. That's usually going to be the position you were assigned to You can still have NCOIC or PSG in your appointed duties and highlight that in your accomplishments.

As for changing your SRB, HRC doesn't do that. Whoever you fall under for eMilpo hierarchy is who can edit your SRB. Editing your duty positions is a normal part of preparing your file for the board every year.

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Mar 24 at 2022 11:21 AM

2022-03-24T11:21:31-04:00

If you are working in the position you are slotted against that should go in the principal duty title and duty MOS. You should place NCOIC in daily duties. If you are not working in your slotted position, the duty title should match one that would be on a TDA. For example, we have a 1SG for duty with us while he waits for the position to open up. We do not have a position but his duties match what an Instructor/Writer position would be on a TDA.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 24 at 2022 3:33 PM

2022-03-24T15:33:38-04:00

Not sure how this becomes a debate between you and the SGM, have you spoken with your S1 and command Team first. If yes and still not resolved then I would imagine you speak with the CSM. Bottom line it is how you are rated for what you do, not the description.

None the less you deserve the proper title based on official documents. Other duties and roles are spelled out I the rating as appropriate.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2022 9:43 PM

2022-03-24T21:43:40-04:00

Does your TDA title accurately reflect what you do?

All that matters on your NCOER is that the performance section accurately states what you did, how well you did it and what the impact was.
And that the potential section is an accurate reflection of your potential.
Boards care more that your PMOS matches the DMOS and duty description than what the title is.

Your Principal Duty Title could read "Supreme Allied Commander, Ground Forces Lab Section", the board would never notice.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2022 10:41 PM

2022-03-24T22:41:02-04:00

It’s really up to your Rater and Senior Rater, but no, your title on your NCOER does not have to match the TDA or UMR. People move positions all the time without being moved on the UMR. On our UMR, I am the BN S-3, but I’m now also fulfilling the role of the XO. Doesn’t mean I’ll be moved on the UMR, and I’ll still be rated as doing both jobs.