Can we get together and change the reg on Supplementary Reviewer requirements?

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:40:42 -0500

Can we get together and change the reg on Supplementary Reviewer requirements?

I am sick of not being able to review my NCO’s evals just because the Sr Rater is a CPT.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 12:05 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:05:22 -0500

I'm down, SGM. Probably going to need a serious White Paper to convince HQDA on that one.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 12:23 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:23:27 -0500

I don't think that's much of a stretch to have the option of a Supplementary reviewer in an effort to have an NCO advocate in the NCOER process.

I see your problem SGM. You have an E5 being rated by say an E6 with the CPT as the Sr, and you are cut out of the loop. When in reality, say the CPT in this example is new to the rank and hasn't done many Evals and the NCOER gets kicked ack by HRC many times.

So, as mentioned, a white paper would help influence the decision. I would attack it from a pure administrative solution where by a long term career Sr NCO like yourself could
1) Help the administrative flow and the first pass approval rates sent to HRC without need for correction.
2) Speak as an advocate for the NCO eval process who can help compose an NCOER in the best interest of the Army and the rated NCO's career progression.

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Having been an NCO myself I got shafted on my E5 NCOER. It wasn't until I was down range being rated by an E8 was that pointed out to me when he reviewed my prior NCOER for the upcoming one. I was never flagged, been awarded an AAM and volunteered for a deployment and relative to my peers I was given a meets standard NCOER. As a USAR NCO at the time I was WAY above board relative to my peers. But the NCOER I was given was just written to check the box, and move on with the day.

However, as an LT with that knowledge in my pocket I gamed my OERs right out of the gate. I knew what should be in my bullets, I knew in my progression that my future duty positions should connect back to the growth assignments my Sr Rater recommends.

Evaluations should lay out a chronological career to regimented professional development and success.

That starts checking all sorts of boxes that a system generated promotion process will execute with my best chances of promotion when huge batched of promotions happen in times of military build up where the lengthy board process cannot be implemented.

But without the SGM there looking over the Jr NCO evals that NCOER is going to go through the system written by an E6 who possibly is writing his first Eval for someone and being Sr Rated by a CPT who is also doing it for the first time. Their objective is to simply get it approved by HRC.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2022 6:40 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 18:40:04 -0500

The process does seem to have room for improvement. As CW3 I'm "field grade" so I don't require a reviewer to check my work. Is that because the assumption is that I'm an expert on NCOERs at this point? I'm not and I've conferred informally with SNCOs in regards to NCOERs quite a bit. I wouldn't be offended in the least to have a SNCO as a reviewer.
On the other hand I'm interested in attending OCS and by the time I'm a CPT I'll have been an officer for close to 20 years but would require a reviewer. The same would be true for a seasoned NCO who went to OCS or WOCS and it might not be necessary for them to have a reviewer either. I would particularly say that an E7 to Warrant Officer that has always been in the same field would have a really good grasp on what their NCOs NCOERs should look like.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2022 2:30 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 02:30:14 -0400

You can do what I do and make every Senior rater add me as a delegate (with full rights) for all NCOERs. Regardless if I look at it or not, I will have the ability to do so and make any changes I deem necessary. But that is what I do in my unit.