Can you be promoted to MSG/SGM with a substantiated IG complaint?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 22:39:11 -0500

IG Question: BLUF, can you make SGM/CSM with a substantiated IG complaint in your records. SM was not given an article 15 nor is anything in her record saying that it is substantiated. However, she was told that the board members look at all the databases (IG, EO, etc.). She is getting ready to be looked at for SGM and asked me this question, but I didn’t have any answer for her. Please assist.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 5 at 2021 10:41 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 22:41:04 -0500

If it wasn't substantiated and also depends on circumstances I would think.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2021 11:06 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 23:06:27 -0500

SFC Boyd and SFC Livingston, do you have any advice for SFC Private RallyPoint Member?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member, MSG Private RallyPoint Member

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2021 12:36 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 00:36:32 -0500

One would think that if there is no paperwork stating substantiating, then one would think she would be in the clear. However, we all know the Board members focus on different things. Again, if this is not substantiated with paperwork, then I don't see how it could be used against her. This may fall down to what her NCOERs say.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2021 12:43 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 00:43:04 -0500

However, if there is paperwork showing substantiating evidence, then whatever NJP comes and up to and including an NCOER reflecting a valid IG complaint, then one can guess that a SM would more than likely not be selected for MSG/SGM

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2021 1:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 01:23:30 -0500

For MSG the board members look at whatever is in the promotion file. Whatever you see when you open your board file is what the board sees. If a person has negative information available to view on their board file, then they will be rated lower than their peers. The same is true for the board to promote to SGM. The evaluation board reviews your promotion file, which the Soldier reviews first.

However, those who are selected for SGM undergo a separate review, essentially a suitability review, looking at all available databases, to determine if the Soldier meets the character requirements to be a SGM. Will the Soldier pass that review? Who knows... You can't begin to guess what the policies will be 5-15 years from now, or even if the Soldier will ever be competitive enough to be selected for SGM in the first place.

But the promotion board does not access multiple databases while rating packets. The packets are pulled and compiled ahead of time for the board members to review

Response by SP5 Eugenia Scott-Inman made Mar 6 at 2021 6:51 AM

SP5 Eugenia Scott-Inman — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 06:51:43 -0500

Depends on who you know

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2021 8:37 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 08:37:09 -0500

Immediately after the USASMA selection board and CSM/SGM promotion selection board recesses, the process will include a review of information contained on the restricted section of the AMHRR, substantiated DA Inspector General reports, reports filed with the U.S. Army Crime Records Center and the Central Clearance Facility.
All information received from the agency checks is forwarded to the Director of Military Personnel Policy, for a U.S. Army Senior Enlisted Review Board (USASERB). The USASERB reviews all alleged derogatory information and determines if the information warrants referral to an Enlisted Standby Advisory Board (STAB).

Your friend will be notified and given the opportunity to submit a rebuttal in her case for the STAB.

https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Post-Board%20Suitability%20Screening

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Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 6 at 2021 10:16 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sat, 06 Mar 2021 10:16:59 -0500

Why would an E8 need to ask a Drill Sgt. What the possibilities are? Anyway, if it is not in the official board package it will not be reviewed. If there were a substantiated IG complaint it is very likely that a GOMAR followed which would make the packet. In any case, there are all sorts of complaints, sone are agredeous, others not. Truly not enough info.

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Mar 7 at 2021 11:42 AM

CSM Tim Bebus — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:42:47 -0500

Good comments on this post. I would add is it also depends on what the IG complaint was.