Can you get flagged for failing the army’s new M4 qualification?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2022 13:14:25 -0400

Does anyone know the answer to this question I’m having a hard time finding it online

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2022 2:01 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2022 14:01:01 -0400

I believe you are just required to re-qualify. If you continue to fail then that would create a problem.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made May 27 at 2022 3:01 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Fri, 27 May 2022 15:01:11 -0400

Other than the suppressor, how different is the M-4 carbine from the CAR-15 that SEALs use?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2022 3:05 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2022 15:05:46 -0400

In all of my almost 24 years of service, I have never heard of, nor seen, a Soldier get Flagged for failure to qualify. I'll have to do some digging in regards to the new tables to see if I can find a definitive answer. But, just looking at DA Form 268, I see nothing relating to weapons. The form has Transferrable and Non-Transferrable Flags. They are:

Transferrable: APFT/ACFT Failure; ABCP; Punishment Phase

Non-Transferrable: Adverse Action; Involuntary Separation-field initiated; Referred OER, AER, or Relief for Cause NCOER; Security Violation or loss of Clearance; HQDA Delay of Promotion or Removal from Selection List; AMEDD Lack of License or Cert; Commander's Investigation; Law Enforcement Investigation; Reserve Component Non-Compliance with 10 USC 10206; JAG Lack of License or Cert; Deny Auto Promotion to E2/3/4; Lautenberg Amendment; Administratively Non-deployable for Retention; No Family Care Plan; Deny Auto Promotion to 1LT/CW2; Drug Abuse; Alcohol Abuse; HQDA Involuntary Separation

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2022 4:13 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2022 16:13:50 -0400

You're a SGT, the first place you should look is the reg not Google. There is a regulation for flags. In it you won't find failing marksmanship as a reason for flagging

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made May 27 at 2022 8:12 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Fri, 27 May 2022 20:12:17 -0400

I've never seen anyone get flagged for failed a weapons qualification. I have taken a private back to the range until he qualified. Turned out he was wearing his old 'super-cool' glasses with an old prescription. Once I made him put on his birth-control Army issue glasses he qualified quick enough.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made May 28 at 2022 1:23 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sat, 28 May 2022 13:23:38 -0400

It might be possible since it's in the hands of the Commander, but I would suspect it in addition to more problems than just that. Hell, would you want a non-shooter watching your back in combat, maybe hitting your people instead of the target? I never saw it, but we did send lousy shots to every range opportunity in the Regiment.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made May 28 at 2022 2:02 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Sat, 28 May 2022 14:02:15 -0400

My guess is that you would lose the carbine bar on your shooting qualification badge. Perhaps pickup nickname of BOLO.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 30 at 2022 2:11 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Mon, 30 May 2022 02:11:16 -0400

Flag? No. But failing to qualify IS punishable via a Bar to Continued Service. It's specifically listed as one of the reasons for a bar. You can be kicked out if you continue to fail to qualify.

Response by Josh Carreon made Oct 1 at 2023 6:22 PM

Josh Carreon — Sun, 01 Oct 2023 18:22:04 -0400

what happens if you fail with the scope on your rifle? The scope was not zeroed in for you