Can you order subordinates or fellow service members not to speak a different language while on duty? Is that a lawful/legal order?

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Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2016 2:41 PM

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I speak to him in Spanish and I say no flirting in formation in Spanish. That way they know I know what they're talking about and they don't say anything anymore. LOL I had fun doing that as a platoon leader. LOL

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2016 2:41 PM

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No is not a lawful order, it don't see right or polite for any body to speak a different language in front of other that do not speak the language, but it it's not lawful to prohibit it

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2016 2:47 PM

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Not sure about the Navy, but for the Army:

AR 600-20, 4-13

English is the operational language of the Army. Soldiers must maintain sufficient proficiency in English to perform their military duties. Their operational communications must be understood by everyone who has an official need to know their content, and, therefore, must normally be in English. However, commanders may not require Soldiers to use English unless such use is clearly necessary and proper for the performance of military functions. Accordingly, commanders may not require the use of English for personal communications that are unrelated to military functions.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2016 3:11 PM

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No, it's not a lawful order. A commander can require that Soldiers speak English only when it's necessary in order to carry out some official military function or task.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 15 at 2016 7:40 PM

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PO2 Robert M. LOL! You're not Playing Nice are you CTO2! You are a Harsh Task Master. You know that we come from a community where we live in the Ethereal World, The World of Spooks. Lots of Us Speak Many Languages, Some better than others. Love It, Bring It On Brother!

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Dec 15 at 2016 8:55 PM

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As a Tank Platoon Leader, my Platoon Sergeant (PSG) was also from Puerto Rico. Normally only between us and away from others we would communicate in Spanish. We did have some fun during maneuvers as PSG would say "Red-1 this is Red-4, Encrypto in effect... Shhh" Usually it is about the enemy location or re-positioning our formation. The way I see it, if the North Koreans hacked our coms, now they need to deal with Spanish factor. Think wind talkers.

We never got into trouble, the Observe Controllers felt it was a smart way to use the skills within the individuals in the platoon.

Back to the original questions, it depends.

Response by SPC Michelle Goodhart made Dec 15 at 2016 9:49 PM

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If an order is not illegal and it doesn't violate law or regulations it must be followed. More specifically- Yes. English is required during duty as it is the operational language of our military.

Response by SFC George Smith made Dec 15 at 2016 10:01 PM

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I used to Make My usual comments In english and with a Porto rican accent used to translate ... I had 3 Porto Ricans on one of My Teams and learned it well and then wen home and practiced with My Girlfriend... also a "Rican" with a Temper and Attitude...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2016 10:56 PM

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I saw a case of this in BCT. Two recruits were speaking Spanish, and a nearby DS who knew Spanish told them not to speak it that English was the only language to be used in the Army. He later came back and corrected himself and quoted the regulation for it. Basically they can speak in other languages but not when it could affect work or the mission. If it doesn't involve work, the mission, or any official capacity of the military then they can speak in whatever language they want.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2016 4:48 AM

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I don't think it would be wrong. You're on duty, not hanging at your own place.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Dec 17 at 2016 11:32 AM

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Seems a strange question to me, but I say no. With all the coalition operations out there it seems to me that at some point you may have to revert to some other languages to get the job done. While our foreign partners are pretty good with English as a second language there will be times that it's easier to communicate in their native languages. Primary reason that we have people who speak languages of nations involved in multi-national operations.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Dec 17 at 2016 5:35 PM

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I always chuckle at the double standard here. Americans get upset when people speak Spanish among them. Yet put the same American in Germany and they get frustrated the Germans won't converse in English regularly. It is pretty humorous.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2016 10:23 AM

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My tech school (I'm Air Force) has a lot of linguists so a rule is to only speak in English. Although it's a command from brass, it's still lawful. I would just ask a supervisor

Response by CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 6:08 AM

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Official business is done in English. However, personal conversations can be in any language. It is just horrifically rude to speak in another language when others are present that don't speak that language.

Response by SFC John Mikelson made Dec 20 at 2016 6:39 AM

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The Army has written policy that all official buisness be conducted in English. But if two people want to speak to each other in another language and not relative to mission or responsibility they may

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 7:06 AM

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It is something call English only rule. In a business environment you must speak this language , not because it is the official language but it is a business language. If you are in the smoke pit or restroom ... they can't order you speak only English ... it is discrimination ....

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 7:07 AM

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It is call English only rule. It is a discrimination if they order you speak English if you are in smoke break or in the restroom ..... but in business environment yes you must do

Response by PO2 Marc Gunter made Dec 20 at 2016 7:08 AM

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Since the pussifcation Of the military, it seems things have changed. Waaaayyyy back in the 1980s the only time sailors were allowed to speak another language was when they were unable to convey their message in English to another sailor who spoke the same language as them...and that person had to repeat it in English.

Response by PFC Gary Lamb made Dec 20 at 2016 7:47 AM

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We are in the Uninted States Military.Absolutely should HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH ON DUTY,NOEXEPTIONS.Dont even get me started on the uniform Issue!!!SMH...

Response by MSgt Jeff Greene made Dec 20 at 2016 9:07 AM

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Probably not lawful but rude. Once I took my son to the emergency room of the base hospital. Two doctors were looking at my son's labs and speaking in Spanish. I asked them to use English so I could understand also. Between themselves at times is OK. Among other people I would have a problem, but I'm very old school.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 9:08 AM

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Times have changed. People used to get nervous when service members, stationed in Europe, weres peaking Russian between themselves. NOW, people get real nervous when people are speaking Arabic. This is not some coffee shop we're talking about. It's military base with weapons all around. It's also the military and not governed by just the constitution, we also have the UCMJ and it can be modified. I day yes, let the military banwhatever they need to to be safe.

Response by MSgt Devon Saunders made Dec 20 at 2016 9:14 AM

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Yes. You can give the order... Just be prepared to deal with the IG because it's an illegal order.

Response by PFC Philip Osborne made Dec 20 at 2016 9:15 AM

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Looking for Marines that went through boot in PI 1018 this is Phil Osborne from NY

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 20 at 2016 9:16 AM

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Yes, the language of our services is English, not anything else. You do not get a free shot at insubordination , lack of respect or derogatory comments by saying it in a foreign language!

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 9:22 AM

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Way back in the day - early 1980's this was a regulation mainly due to the number of Philippine personnel - but they still did it, just not in front of the officers. When mess cooking, they would look right at you and you knew they were talking about you and since I didn't understand the language - I couldn't do anything about what they were saying. Unless I wanted to make a big deal out of it. But as a woman that served on the 1st ship that had women abroad and not wanting to draw attention to myself - I didn't say anything about it.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Dec 20 at 2016 9:38 AM

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Seems you and a lot of others in this 'new' military are hung up on how to skirt professionalism by hanging an 'If it offends me it it must be illegal" sign on your door. The military is a 'profession of arms'...not a job...a profession. Maybe they don't teach that at the Academy's or in boot camps anymore, but as a professional there should be no need for a reminder that it is disrespectful and uncalled for, to speak in any language other than English in the workplace.

Response by SCPO Larry Knight Sr. made Dec 20 at 2016 9:51 AM

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I believe that we all went through basic training in the on set of our tour's of duty/careers and became quite familiar with what uniform we adorned etc! That said it was perfectly clear cut as to what language to be spoken while aboard you're respective commands. The language you speak outside of and away from the base/command is your discretion. No we don't order you to speak English,it's necessary to good order and discipline in your daily evolution! So exercise this to the letter and you won't be disciplined accordingly.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2016 10:15 AM

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As long as it doesn't affect the mission I don't see any harm. If I were in their shoes I'd just see it as an opportunity to practice my language and show pride of my heritage. There are so many "what ifs" but any senior that stopped them just for the sake of stopping them is just looking for a way to diminish morale, assuming it has no bearing on the overall mission. If I could speak Gaelic, I would, just to make people wonder what I'm saying.

Response by PO3 Greg Eastom made Dec 20 at 2016 10:23 AM

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I'm not sure about it currently but when I received my last Honorable Discharge in the USN in 1991 it wasn't something that needed a lawful/legal order while on duty. Those who spoke other languages often spoke to other shipmates who could speak the same language until it became time to speak English on duty but it was never a issue needing a lawful order. At my last command the 2 languages most commonly spoke was Spanish or Tagalog and I don't remember it being a issue while on duty because those Sailors would of course use English when it was time to speak to those who only spoke English. I also remember trying to learn a bit of the language of whatever country we where visiting because it made Liberty better while in port. Even though I could only speak a few words of their language I found that most of the citizens seemed to appreciate it when I tried to use their language, even when I butchered it! So my answer to this question is while on duty English should be used if communicating with others about duty related issues but if a couple of sailors are speaking in another language about something not related to the duties being done then don't worry about it and maybe even try to learn some of the words their using because it can end up being fun and useful at some point in your life!

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Dec 20 at 2016 10:32 AM

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Some great thoughts and comments, and a good point was made that while not required outside of official duties/functions, it is often impolite to do so.

As I read, I could not help but think back to one or two experiences in Uncle Sam's Confused Group. Sometimes English can be problematic enough. One in particular occurred in boot camp. We had two young men in our company who were born and raised on Chincoteague Island. Much has changed since then so it may not be as true now as it was in '72, but back then because of their isolation, the English they spoke was just this side of a foreign language. Even after 10 or 12 weeks of boot camp, many times they would say things that left us scratching our heads.

Response by SN Timothy Ehrenhaft made Dec 20 at 2016 10:45 AM

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OPNAVINST 5354.1F Section 9 Foreign Language Part C (which was put out 25Jul07) states:
c. Commanders may issue an order that only English be
spoken in a work place when they have a legitimate, nondiscriminatory
reason for the rule (e.g., to ensure everyone on
the bridge understands the orders to the helm). It must be
clear that the purpose of such an order is to foster uniformity
of action and operations within a work place. A rule requiring
employees to speak only English at all times in the workplace is
a burdensome term and condition of employment; therefore,
personnel engaged in personal conversation off-duty should be
allowed to communicate in the language of their choice.
Commanders should also be cognizant that some on-duty operations
may require the use of other languages and should ensure that
English-only rules are not broader than they need to be (e.g.,
Bridge-to-Bridge radio and interactions with a ground crew).

This applies to orders/instructions, but there is no rule, law, ordinance, or governance regarding any social language stipulation, which means any such "order" could conflict with EOE rights.. You can ask for a specific language, but compliance is not compulsory. Issuing an order could result in the issuer of said order grabbing their own ankles before an EOE rights committee.

Response by SGT James Littlejohn made Dec 20 at 2016 11:36 AM

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Not a lawful order. I know that the non speakers can feel excluded; but ares long as the mission is no jepordized, I see know harm in are slowing those who want to speak are slowing other language to do so.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Dec 20 at 2016 11:54 AM

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Well I say in the United States Army AR 600-20 Chapter 4 Paragraph 13 clearly spells it out.

Response by PO1 Edwin Anderson made Dec 20 at 2016 1:00 PM

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On one of my ships (of 5), the pay office personnel had several Filipinos on staff. When they would talk among themselves, they used their native language. Apparently some others felt they might be talking about the non-Filipinos (even some customers got butt hurt). So the command structure put out that during working hours in working spaces only English could be spoken. And add to that, at one of my store stations one of my shipmates, of Mexican decent, and I spoke Spanish, Japanese (we both had been stationed in Japan), and another shipmate's wife was teaching us Tagalog (Filipino dialect). Goofing around we'd speak those 3 languages. The base had an Equal Opportunity survey and one of the questions was, "Is a language other than English spoken in your work center?" Well, it seems like about everyone in our division (including the civilians) marked 'YES'. Really confused people. My division officer was talking to me about it. They knew the cooks had several Filipinos (Food Service Officer, all the E-7s, several E-6s and so on), but none in our division. I told him what my shipmate and I did. He got upset and took me to the Department Head (O-4). He almost fell out of his chair laughing. DivOff told me & Joe not to do it anymore. Guess what. We still did it.

Response by Capt Joseph Olson made Dec 20 at 2016 1:11 PM

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Yes. If there is reason to believe that the content of the "hidden" conversation is prejudicisl to good order and discipline. Exsmples would include jokes at the expense of superiors, how to evade orders, plans for going UA next weekend, etc. Since a superior csnnot KNOW the content of the conversation, he may prohibit in any "on duty" circumstsnce. English is the language of the US Military not only to give orders and respond to them. Communication is the heart of unit integrity snd morale.

Response by SGM Nathan Thomas made Dec 20 at 2016 1:44 PM

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AR 600-20 paragraph 4-13 is that a Soldier should be required to speak English when performing official duties. Now I know this may not be something that solves your issue, but I would say take time also to learn the language. The more you learn, then the fewer secrets there are. Being a sailor as you are I would want to learn languages as this can make traveling even more enjoyable!

Response by LTC John Wilson made Dec 20 at 2016 2:27 PM

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Based on my understanding of the regulation, English is required for operational communication. Service Members may communicate in other languages otherwise; however, one may make a strong case for English ALWAYS. Diversity is important, but a common language is the critical glue that holds a diverse unit together. Failure to communicate in English undermines unit cohesion. For example, how will English-only leadership know if non-English speaking Service Members are speaking about operational matters or not? What if certain English-only unit members grow suspicious of non-English conversations (even if the conversation is completely harmless). Since we have grown to accept that the perceptions of others equates to reality, then non-English conversations -- official or otherwise -- should be forbidden.

Additionally, many non-English Service Members have English as their second language. Therefore, an English ALWAYS stance can only help to increase their English language proficiency.

Were I to mandate an English ALWAYS policy within a command, I would take great pains to explain the purpose for this order.

Response by SFC Gary Comstock made Dec 20 at 2016 4:17 PM

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Yes they can. It also falls under EO. You can tell anyone this. Do to the fact they might be talking about you and you have the right to make a complaint then.

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made Dec 20 at 2016 5:58 PM

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I wonder what the Marine Corps Code Talkers would think about this discussion

Response by SrA Rex Brown made Dec 20 at 2016 6:40 PM

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As I see it some of you are reading to much into this question. Speaking a different language whether on duty or off should not be a question. If you are in a foreign country by all means you should learn and be able to speak and understand that countries language. You sometimes have to deal with the civilians of that country. Therefore would it not be beneficial to speak that countries language.

Response by PO1 Robert Closson made Dec 20 at 2016 7:15 PM

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Interesting topic I remember when I was on the USS Ogden back in 1986 we had a lot of Filipino's on board. I just came from a 3yr tour in Philippines Subic Bay so my Tagalog was pretty good. I never let on to any of my Filipino shipmates that I knew Tagalog. one afternoon my wife stepped on board and my cover was blown. The look on all their faces was priceless when me and my wife were conversing in Tagalog.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 20 at 2016 8:16 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner…If the order or conservation I would say yes fluency in English is mandatory. If two or more members decide to converse in a foreign language and its not relevant to performing their duty I see not problems. Back in the day I spent all of my military time before Vietnam in the south and on the East Coast. We had Puerto Ricans from New York, Mexicans from Texas and California and Central Americans from California and ant on post we had two Native American from the same tribe who could speak in their native language…The Spanish Speakers for the most part spoke in colloquial dialects so they really could understand anybody outside of their group. This didn't cause any problems I know of. Remember about two thirds of the 11B trainees in 1965-66 was draftees. Discipline threats for the most parts didn't bother them in the least. They knew where they were going and most would have just as soon not…This is rather a loaded question. Unless you family heritage is from migration from the United Kingdom the chances are good that the immigrants you came from didn't speak English and never became literate in the language, the Generation born in the United became bi-lingual and the second generation usually forgot the families native language. Nothing different is happening now regardless of what come out of the mouths go Nationalists.

Response by PO1 John Juarez made Dec 20 at 2016 9:27 PM

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OPNAVINST 5354.1F Section 9 paragraph C
states......
c. Commanders may issue an order that only English be spoken in a work place when they have a legitimate, non- discriminatory reason for the rule (e.g., to ensure everyone on the bridge understands the orders to the helm). It must be clear that the purpose of such an order is to foster uniformity of action and operations within a work place. A rule requiring employees to speak only English at all times in the workplace is a burdensome term and condition of employment; therefore, personnel engaged in personal conversation off-duty should be allowed to communicate in the language of their choice. Commanders should also be cognizant that some on-duty operations may require the use of other languages and should ensure that English-only rules are not broader than they need to be (e.g., Bridge-to-Bridge radio and interactions with a ground crew) .

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Dec 20 at 2016 10:33 PM

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First , why would you want to do so?

Response by Maj Rob Drury made Dec 20 at 2016 11:04 PM

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Hey, there is an ever-increasing population of liberals in the US military. They speak a language entirely unintelligible to rational, thinking human beings. Is it appropriate to dismiss them from any and all operational discussion? I think so.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2016 2:05 AM

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Ask your command JAG.

Response by CPO Brian Engman made Dec 21 at 2016 3:35 AM

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The Disbursing Clerks were ordered to speak English on the job when I was on the Vinson.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Dec 21 at 2016 9:04 AM

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Yes because as a leader you must know that the fellow soldiers under you fully understand the orders being given. Otherwise you are placing your entire unit in harms way.

Response by MSgt Thelbert (Whitey) Roark made Dec 21 at 2016 1:50 PM

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If the conversation takes place on the job or in the work place it should be in english. If the supervisor doesn't understand the language how are they to know if it's work/mission related.You can't help train or correct a subordinate before they make a mistake unless you know what is being communicated. If you want to have a private/personal conversation and not have if overheard, then do it on your own time in a private setting. I want to know what my technicians are doing when working on equipment that I'm ultimately responsible for.
That's just my opinion, but of course my opinion hasn't been relevant since retiring in '88.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 21 at 2016 4:51 PM

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That is one crazy order, that infringes on Freedom of Speech, but fear drives people to do stupid things. I dealt with this issue in the past the worst was some 2LT order lower enlisted to speak English, then we informed the 2LT they are linguist working in their MOS.

Response by SP6 Frank Ellis made Dec 21 at 2016 5:00 PM

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If an order or block of instructions is given English is a must. If two am are talking to one another they can speak in Clingon if they want. As long as they do not affect readiness it shouldn't matter.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2016 10:09 PM

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I am not sure about the regulations governing the US Navy. I just read this thread and instead of becoming a barracks lawyer I decided to go into AKO and look for the latest version of AR 600-20 Army Command Policy on the Army Pubs website. As of 06 November 2014 the answer if as follows:

4–13. Army language policy
English is the operational language of the Army. Soldiers must maintain sufficient proficiency in English to perform their military duties. Their operational communications must be understood by everyone who has an official need to know their content, and, therefore, must normally be in English. However, commanders may not require Soldiers to use English unless such use is clearly necessary and proper for the performance of military functions. Accordingly, commanders may not require the use of English for personal communications that are unrelated to military functions.

Now, obviously every regulation can be interpreted in several ways, especially this one since it is so vague in its description of functions and locations. I'd say any leaders best bet would be to contact their respective JAG office to get clarification or even IG since part of their job is help leaders ensure they're not doing something that would get them in trouble. Lastly, if you look online there is a handy book called the commanders legal handbook that might cover something in regards to this but I'm not sure since I haven't looked for that specific topic in it.

Personally, I do not speak Spanish when it comes to any mission or other work related things. I have been quite lucky to be surrounded by the leadership I have now. I have spoken to others that speak Spanish on down time or they have asked me how to say some things, I will show them if I am asked and that's the extent of my Spanish at work. Otherwise in my opinion the professional way for me as an NCO is to conduct all business in English.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Dec 22 at 2016 12:33 AM

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Yes. The operational language of the US Army is English. That being said, if you're upset about a troop speaking a foreign language in a non-official capacity then you're probably worried that they're disrespecting you. Only advice is learn the language they're speaking and put them on blast or grow thick skin.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2016 1:50 PM

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It's actually prohibited to speak a language other than English in the working environment unless it directly correlates to your job (CTI / linguist). I couldn't find the instruction if I had to.

Response by SGT David Arrevalo made Dec 23 at 2016 2:48 PM

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For Starters, the AR has Already been pointed out.
As a recruit of Mexican decent, back in 84', I was given an English Proficiency exam to test or verify my proficiency. I smirked, having been 'educated' in MN.
Having posted this, how about we Hold Recruiting Command accountable for lowering standards and recruiting folks like this just to meet quotas!
As a bilingual NCO, many of time, over the years I corrected many enlisted and a few NCO, (higher than me), particularly on Posts... (I Loved to irritate the wee wee outta them!)
Finally, has any in chain of command ever spoke with this enlisted as to English norms while on Duty? Do Not blame this enlisted, educate them or you have set them up for failure.

Response by Sgt Joshua Seavey made Dec 26 at 2016 2:57 AM

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For Marines, I'm pretty sure English is the only language permitted by law. There are circumstances that would allow other languages, but otherwise English only.

Response by PO3 Peter Lothrop made Dec 28 at 2016 11:54 AM

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Yes you can!! As a matter of fact when I was on active duty with VQ3 we were stationed at NAS Barbers Point HI and a lot of squadron members were from the Philippians. They were speaking in their native language while at work a lot. It got to the point that our CO sent an order out that the only language that could be spoken while in uniform and on duty in the hanger or on any squadron aircraft is English.

This was done to maintain good order and discipline! It was done because there were a lot of people that did not understand what these Philippians sailors were saying. They could be talking about someone and that person could be standing right there and not know that these guys were making fun of him. As a matter of fact there were a few fights that broke out because of these guys talking in a different language. The fights were because someone thought these guys were talking about them so they went after them. It was right after this that the CO sent out the order!

While we have many different people in our services that may speak a different language it is best that there be only one language spoken while in uniform and on duty and that language is English. It should be fine for someone to speak in a different language when they are out of uniform and off duty!

Response by Cpl John Mathews made Dec 29 at 2016 9:54 AM

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If it is a personal conversation, then I would say no. If the conversation relates to official business or requires the understanding or input of a third person who does not speak the language then yes, it could be forbidden. Exceptions to the personal conversation aspect are if the parties are using a foreign language in their discussion to disparage a fellow soldier, forment dissension, or harm the necessary "good order" of the unit. In essence, if it affects the ability of the unit to execute its mission most effectively, then it should be halted.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Dec 30 at 2016 3:10 PM

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I think you can and someone posted AR 600-20. But wouldn't it be more fun to download Duolingo to your cellphone or tablet, take the lessons in their language and then secretly find out what they are saying behind your back and then dress them down in their own lingo in a matter of months? Wouldn't that be funny if they came in for monthly counseling and received from you their evaluation written in their own language?

Response by PO1 Jahn Henderson made Dec 31 at 2016 1:42 AM

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I honestly do not know what is happening in today's military, but during my time in '84-'95, our understanding was, while working everyone spoke English, if you were on a break or at chow, then your were able to speak whatever language you wanted to.

Response by Vincent Mills made Dec 31 at 2016 11:27 AM

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...I FEEL TO BE A WELL COORDINATED UNIT, TEAM, PLATOON, REGIMENT, OR BATTALION FOR THAT MATTER, WE ALL NEED TO SPEAK, READ, AND WRITE ENGLISH...HOW CAN I ULTIMATELY TRUST SOMEONE, WHEN I CAN'T TELL IF THEIR SPEAKING ABOUT SERIOUS THINGS, OR NOT...!!!???!!!

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Jan 1 at 2017 2:54 PM

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Sounds to me like there is a lot of missing context in this question. As with all things, context is what defines correct behavior...

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2017 1:51 PM

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Most of the arguments in favor of allowing someone to order the use of English only while on duty have centered on the "they might be talking about me" excuse. Wow, paranoid much? Not everything is about you. Way to hold someone responsible for others' reactions. Are you going to fault a rape victim for wearing a short skirt, too?

Response by Maj Chris Clark made Jan 6 at 2017 10:43 PM

2017-01-06T22:43:45-05:00

If it has to do with the performance of his/her duty, sure why not?

Response by PO3 William Farinas made Jan 18 at 2017 1:49 PM

2017-01-18T13:49:11-05:00

Yes it is !! I can speak for the Navy and I do be leave that the other services have the same rule. Starting in bootcamp the military teaches recruits how to use military terms so that no matter were you are from everyone can under stand the orders that are being given or received are well under stood, that is why we have to repeat what we are being given. We are a US Military force that is held to a high standard. There is a time an place for everything and that also apples to to language. If you are out of uniform and off duty it is ok to speak what your native language is. I do understand that it is often hard for some cultures to say certain things in english because certain words are not in there language. My spouse speaks five languages and she is an immigrant, But she always speak english first and most importantly at work. I know that they have an easer time speaking in her own dialect than they do speaking in english. So I understand both sides of this argument, But first and for most you are a US Military personal representing the US Military Forces of which ever branch that you serve, and the United States and English is the National Language of the US. I hope that this helps both sides without sounding like I big-it.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Jan 21 at 2017 4:50 PM

2017-01-21T16:50:51-05:00

My father was the meanest little Puerto- Rican First Sgt. I ever met. If he caught a soldier in his company speaking ANY language other than English, there was hell to pay. One day a new soldier reported in, and as soon as he read the name tag on dads uniform (Rivas-Cortes) He started speaking Spanish........Started the worst ass eating I ever heard. Being this mans son made Basic Training in 74 seem like a little girls tea party. I can still hear his voice.....I can still see his face.....But alas, I cannot embrace him as I once did. RIP old man.

Response by SP6 Cole Tierney made Jan 21 at 2017 5:37 PM

2017-01-21T17:37:11-05:00

Let the chain of command decide. If foreign language is interfering with the mission, I would recommend shutting that down. On the other hand it could be an asset like the Navajo code talkers.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2017 11:33 AM

2017-01-24T11:33:00-05:00

I would refer to General Article 134; against good order and discipline in the armed forces.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Jan 24 at 2017 2:21 PM

2017-01-24T14:21:43-05:00

You ca n agree to disagree; that is fine. Does speaking English automatically "not" make you a good American; I think here that is your point. You can' diisprove a negative; that is logically impossible. But what "not" speaking English on as many occasions as possible does for that person is to make it hard and increasingly harder for them to fit in properly. When you are in the middle of fighting a Charley Fire on a burner front in the middle of a midnight gunfight that you really don't want "...no se habla... " just doesn't cut it and in the end does function to not make you either a good American, or Sailor, or Marine and you run that kind of risk when you establish that sort of needless bifurcation. In uniform, on duty. On duty speak English or suffer the consequences; this is really a very simple proposition. to do otherwise jeopardizes the life of a good Marine, a good Sailor, and risks the success of a Mission. If anything other than English is important in uniform then go somewhere else;we are NOT obliged to enlist you; that is a privilege not a right and once enlisted or sworn to office you are obliged to speak the 'lingua franca' [the common language[ at all times.

Response by COL John McClellan made Jan 25 at 2017 7:38 PM

2017-01-25T19:38:17-05:00

I agree with COL Morrow on the rudeness factor, and you would always be on solid ground to correct any of your Soldiers during the performance of duties and even just when in formation; I probably wouldn't make an issue of it though unless I thought that a conversation was being had in another language specifically to hide it's content from supervisors.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Jan 29 at 2017 1:46 PM

2017-01-29T13:46:06-05:00

Personally I don't give a shit what language anyone speaks in----as long as they don't try and pull this I don't ab-lo shit.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Feb 1 at 2017 2:35 AM

2017-02-01T02:35:32-05:00

I was fluent in Spanish during my Army years. The condition mentioned was never an issue. However, when I was in a casual setting, and a group of Hispanic soldiers were conversing in their native tongue, I always enjoyed the looks on their faces when I commented on something that was said. That ability earned me several friends and a good measure of respect.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Feb 9 at 2017 12:55 AM

2017-02-09T00:55:30-05:00

Everybody is getting their collective asses wrapped around the axle here and all UTSOG [up to speed on the governor] about a fairly simple matter. If I give you an order that violates any of the following criteria: Federal, State, or Local Laws and ordinances, an order that violates UCMJ, an order that violates Navy/Marine Corps regulations, an order that violates Geneva or Hague conventions you are not only not required follow that order you are required to report to chain of command this instance and you must not follow that order. All orders to be obeyed must at the minimum to be "lawful" must be understood plainly in English; otherwise they are NOT lawful as orders because they do not even meet the first requirement. But in today's culturally sensitive and politically correct shit show that is laughingly called the USN this is a problem because the folks in the puzzle palace [that would be the Pentagon] are all sweating their "K" Street Battalion post-retirement consultancies.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Feb 9 at 2017 10:05 PM

2017-02-09T22:05:13-05:00

My dad was a mean little Puerto-Rican E-8 who went apeshit on any soldier who spoke spanish in his company. Imagine Ricky Ricardo screaming at you that this is the "Junited estates army....NOT the G#@DAMNED Puerto-Rican Army". Dad was damn proud to be in the American Army, and an American citizen. Dad retired in 72, and passed away in 2008. Still the best soldier I ever knew.

Response by SPC Kathleen Harris made Feb 14 at 2017 5:48 PM

2017-02-14T17:48:57-05:00

How does a person who doesn't speak English join the Army. From the time you walk into the recruiters office until the day you are discharged, you fill out paper work. How do they fill out all those forms if you cant read them? I knew Latinos from Puerto Rico who only spoke Spanish. When I attended our local community college, they had a winning basketball team. Most of them came to Iowa from Central America. I had human relations class with them. Sat down in back of the class & slept. I asked him how he expects to pass. His response "I come here to play basketball, not to learn" He got his A. Didn't make any difference if he could read, write or speak English.

Response by SGT Richard Anderson made Feb 15 at 2017 8:20 AM

2017-02-15T08:20:26-05:00

During duty hours, the required language is English.

Response by Arsenio Ibay made Feb 23 at 2017 2:34 PM

2017-02-23T14:34:28-05:00

If speaking a foreign language means I don't have to learn how hungover you are or need to get tested after your latest conquest, so be it as long as your duties are carried out in English.

Response by PFC Aaron Cox made Feb 23 at 2017 5:13 PM

2017-02-23T17:13:42-05:00

Keep in mind most civilians don't understand Military English. We can ask for a beer or Soda using operational lingo only to have a civilian bar tender look at us though we were Martians.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Feb 27 at 2017 5:44 PM

2017-02-27T17:44:07-05:00

I would say it is lawful in the formal conduct of military operations, unless you are a wind talker. Espresso de corps cannot be realized if everyone is on a different language page

Response by SMSgt Roger Horton made Feb 28 at 2017 7:42 AM

2017-02-28T07:42:01-05:00

Just suppose that individual is an interpreter or as in WWII a code talker. Is there a time in the military, when one is not on duty?

Response by Sgt Mervyn Russell made Mar 7 at 2017 7:29 AM

2017-03-07T07:29:09-05:00

You know, if it's a private conversion it should be done in private. I view this action the same as some one talking on a cellphone while in my presence, I feel that it's rude and offensive. If you can not understand what people are saying you do not know what their intentions are. So, we are one nation and I do feel that we should speak one language, that is if you are speaking to people at large, this action should be done in English.

Response by CW2 Fred Baker made Jul 30 at 2017 12:53 PM

2017-07-30T12:53:49-04:00

I don't know if it is a lawful/legal order but, it is a stupid one.

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Sep 1 at 2017 10:31 AM

2017-09-01T10:31:33-04:00

Non of my superiors ever said anything about it in fact they encouraged it and tried to find imaginative ways to help us even bribery er I mean incentives. I had to keep a very close eye on my superiors they were sneakier than I was!!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2019 9:07 PM

2019-01-22T21:07:32-05:00

The only pussification and whining I see is folks who believe having a personal conversation in the workplace or around others who don't understand other than English is rude. Don't like it, learn the language and stop whining.
Funny as hell that the folks complaining about this would likely be the first to call someone a snowflake, liberal or a lefty.
Army policy is English for duty related, that's it. If it isn't duty related, Soldiers can speak whatever language they chose. Same folks who are taking a position in opposition of this policy would also likely be the first to quote a policy they agree with in response to a question posed here that contradicts a policy, and follow up with suck it up.
I understand that the posts are your opinion, to which, you are entitled. I just wonder how the bias related to the opinion which is in direct opposition to Army policy, has negatively impacted any Soldiers who, in violation of no policy or etiquette, chose to speak other than English for non-work related conversations while under your charge.

Response by PO1 John Juarez made Nov 9 at 2020 6:39 PM

2020-11-09T18:39:54-05:00

Hahahaha Major,
I see you trolled my profile! I’m still in “your grape” after all this time???