Posted on May 12, 2019
Can your commander make you report personal firearms stored off post?
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Today, my CoC asked all soldiers in the company for a list of their personally owned firearms: Type of gun, calibers, brand, and storage address for all personally owned firearms regardless of if they’re stored on-base or even registered on-base. Is this lawful?
Update: Yes and no.
1. Any weapons brought or stored on-base must be registered with installation and maybe command as well.
2. If SM lives in barracks / on-post quarters, they can store weapons off-base (If kept at another SMs house, commander can make SM register on base. If kept at a family member's house, no registration is required).
2a. Commander may limit amount of weapons stored in arms room (if there's not enough room, you may have to put other weapons off-installation).
3. If SM lives in on-post quarters and weapons are stored there, must be registered.
4. If you live off-post, no weapons HAVE to be registered with anyone.
References:
1. https://safety.army.mil/Portals/0/Documents/OFF-DUTY/PRIVATELYOWNEDWEAPONS/Standard/ALARACT_063_2013.pdf
2. AR 190-11
3. <Installation> Regulation 190-11
4. Command Policy Letters
*Side Note* Doing this has "put the nail in the coffin" for me to not become a team leader due to it encouraging soldiers to question what the chain of command was told. While it's sad for me to hear, my PSG was supportive enough to convince my CoC to let me transfer to Traffic, MPI, or another unit. NCO Support Channel was told to counsel me and threatened NJP for Art 92 (Failure to obey a lawful order); however, there was no lawful order, so there was no counseling or NJP. Thank you for everyone who helped me here and special thanks to anyone from my NCO Support Channel or Chain of Command who supported me. I hope this helps some people in the future.
Update: Yes and no.
1. Any weapons brought or stored on-base must be registered with installation and maybe command as well.
2. If SM lives in barracks / on-post quarters, they can store weapons off-base (If kept at another SMs house, commander can make SM register on base. If kept at a family member's house, no registration is required).
2a. Commander may limit amount of weapons stored in arms room (if there's not enough room, you may have to put other weapons off-installation).
3. If SM lives in on-post quarters and weapons are stored there, must be registered.
4. If you live off-post, no weapons HAVE to be registered with anyone.
References:
1. https://safety.army.mil/Portals/0/Documents/OFF-DUTY/PRIVATELYOWNEDWEAPONS/Standard/ALARACT_063_2013.pdf
2. AR 190-11
3. <Installation> Regulation 190-11
4. Command Policy Letters
*Side Note* Doing this has "put the nail in the coffin" for me to not become a team leader due to it encouraging soldiers to question what the chain of command was told. While it's sad for me to hear, my PSG was supportive enough to convince my CoC to let me transfer to Traffic, MPI, or another unit. NCO Support Channel was told to counsel me and threatened NJP for Art 92 (Failure to obey a lawful order); however, there was no lawful order, so there was no counseling or NJP. Thank you for everyone who helped me here and special thanks to anyone from my NCO Support Channel or Chain of Command who supported me. I hope this helps some people in the future.
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If your chain of command asked for such specific information, it's because someone from a higher echelon wants it. No commander wakes up and decides they want to add something else to track to their list of worries. This means it probably came from a Brigade or higher level and these things are typically staffed and verified by legal before being sent out, so it's a good bet it's legal to ask.
You weren't being given a lawful order to furnish the information and as long as you don't lie you don't have to let them know. Now if you choose to tell your chain of command that you will not furnish this information, how that plays out is completely separate.
You weren't being given a lawful order to furnish the information and as long as you don't lie you don't have to let them know. Now if you choose to tell your chain of command that you will not furnish this information, how that plays out is completely separate.
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Thank you for the insight, SFC. The reason they’re requesting the information was due to a rumor of a soldier residing in the barracks storing their firearm in the barracks, which still hasn’t been confirmed. As much as I know people state it just out of spite, my CoC has lost trust from subordinates due to multiple senior leaders just being relieved for cause due to violating soldiers’ rights and the “mission essential” excuse not being good enough.
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SPC Gary Welch
SPC (Join to see) I see your a mp if mps are getting investigated then something really bad must have happened
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MAJ Byron Oyler
My wife owns all the firearms in my house and considering she has her concealed carry, who would question that. I think it Texas it is something like shared property anyways. Then the boating accident happened...
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No, but (always a but) you need to inquire further into the issue; I’m sure this came to happen because someone did something stupid.
If the weapon is off post and you have no intention to bring it on post then no. If you intent to bring it on post in the future I’m sure there is a mandatory weapons registration policy in place. Your unit leadership only has to request it from the Provost Marshal thru official channels.
Nevertheless, consider all potential solutions as a diplomat would do and how it could affect you. You don’t want that to bite you in your 3rh point of contact!
If the weapon is off post and you have no intention to bring it on post then no. If you intent to bring it on post in the future I’m sure there is a mandatory weapons registration policy in place. Your unit leadership only has to request it from the Provost Marshal thru official channels.
Nevertheless, consider all potential solutions as a diplomat would do and how it could affect you. You don’t want that to bite you in your 3rh point of contact!
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Roger sir, my intention was to see legal regarding it when I had time this upcoming week. I’m not trying to withhold information or bitch and complain, I just want my leaders to be held accountable for their actions, whether correct of not. It’s the leader I want to be and from what I know, we’re entitled to outstanding leadership and it will be provided.
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