Posted on Dec 15, 2016
Can your NCO order you not to talk to or be around another soldier in your platoon during the duty day just because they don't like them?
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That be honest, I am tired of questions like the one posted. I have found and believe that a Soldier will pull from the answers they like and run with it. The Army has a publication for almost everything. The last thing you need is a bunch of us shit bird lawyers telling you what is right and wrong. I don't care about your petty plight of boo hoo hoo my SGT said. Do the foot work yourself if you find you can't go another minute without crying about who you can and can't talk to during duty hours. I know times change but 20 years ago my SGT would have crushed my pathetic soul if I would have went behind their back to try to find an answer to circumvent them because I am to weak to directly engage my leadership. Glad you were never in my "foxhole".
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SSG Melvin Nulph
Soldiers like this need to ask themselves why they're in the military to begin with? No NCO has the time to be affective if they have to play babysitter for young men and women that have yet to mature but want to play GI-Joke instead of doing their damn job. You hit the nail on the head MSG Womack
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SSG Melvin Nulph
SFC Christopher Braman - They haven't grown up, they may think they have but they haven't. Yes, getting their own way & themself is about all do care about and it's wrong.
I enjoyed your post also, thanks.
I enjoyed your post also, thanks.
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SFC Familia Gonzalez
You my friend just made my day and it started early, in that it's 0400 and I'm awake I suppose on stand to...
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My humble opinion based on a day or two's experience is there's more to this than SGT snuffy don't like PVT dribble. I can think of a number of legitimate circumstances where an NCO would direct a Soldier not to associate with someone during the duty day. 15-6/ UCMJ investigations, troops screwing around and not getting work done, hazing......all are legitimate instances where an NCO would be justified in keeping troops apart. So which one does your or your friends situation really fall into?
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
I can think of one "Rat" our Supervisor wanted one of our good troops to stay away from mainly to keep Him out of the sort of trouble the dirt bag was likely to get Him into. The other guys He worked with agreed with the Supervisor. Sometimes the boss tries to look out for His people and protect them. Our troop ended up ok but with a close call, the "Rat" ended up in jail.
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CSM Richard StCyr
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - Many of the conversations lately leave me scratching my head and thinking WTF. Seems that for an order to be an order the young troops think it has to come from the commander and that just isn't the case.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
CSM Richard StCyr - For sure, an order can come from anyone in Your chain of Command from the bottom up to Your unit Commander and beyond. Disobey any lawful order at any level and its won't work out in Your favor that is for sure ! We were always taught do what You were told first and if You have a problem that is an issue to save for after doing what You were told. There is no room for debate nor can there be. Maybe We should also present hankies to sob into for those that have a problem with this.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
CSM, I absolutely agree with you on this. Usually this type of question leaves out a lot of information. I personally have separated certain soldiers during the day because they were not getting any of the takings done. Now my only suggestion would be that if there is an active 15-6/UCMJ going on the PSG or PL should suggest that the soldier be removed from said Platoon and give him a non-contact order until the investigation is complete. Its easier to place him/her in a HQ Platoon away from the other soldiers with the order being on paper, like that those other NCO's can concentrate on the other soldiers well being and training.
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SPC (Join to see)
So the whole story is. A friend of mine popped hot on a UA so now his friends team leader doesn't want her with him during the duty if he catches her with him he threatened to council her and do corrective action. I was just curious if the team leader can actually give that order or not. It just seems a little childish to tell a soldier who they can and can't talk to. So I was just curious about the whole thing.
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SPC (Join to see) - I would say that if there is an active investigation to where the Commander and 1SG does not want any interaction in regards to possible twisting of statements/testimonies, I can see this happening.......but ONLY if the Commander ordered this. Otherwise, I would say the Team Leader is running outside their realm of authority. But, now that I think about it.....why is the Team Leader just dictating no contact during the duty day? Why are they not trying for after duty hours as well? Regardless, either way the Team Leader is travelling in a No Fly Zone.
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SSG (Join to see)
That doesn't seem to really be just because they don't like them. Both as a former UPL and someone who's been in for a little while I have seen several people get "randomly selected" or heavily suggested that they get added just because of who they hang around with, even if they did nothing. The TL may very well be out of their lane, or they could be trying to curb the influence of who popped hot. Quite a few things could give you a false positive though too, so it could also be precautionary.
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SPC Michelle Goodhart
Sounds to me like the Soldier needs to stop answer shopping and go talk to their NCO... this isn't the whole story.
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