Civilian-crewed vessels see larger role in amphibious ops https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/civilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-15884"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fcivilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Civilian-crewed+vessels+see+larger+role+in+amphibious+ops&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fcivilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0ACivilian-crewed vessels see larger role in amphibious ops%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/civilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="cc0e9b68588a943678f4ea6c43228022" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/015/884/for_gallery_v2/635532896544845360-NAV-Civilian-crewed-vessels.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/015/884/large_v3/635532896544845360-NAV-Civilian-crewed-vessels.jpg" alt="635532896544845360 nav civilian crewed vessels" /></a></div></div>From: Navy Times<br /><br />With the gator Navy busy and undersized, officials hope the duct tape that covers the remaining gaps are the ships of Military Sealift Command.<br /><br />Top officials are confident that mobile landing platforms, pre-positioning ships, joint high-speed vessels and even tankers can ease the mission load. Adm. Bill Gortney, who ended his run as head of Fleet Forces Command on Nov. 24, is among the supporters.<br /><br />"Can we use a lower-cost capability to do some of those low-end missions? Absolutely," said Gortney. "If we can provide the same capability for lower cost, and that frees up more money for readiness of the rest of the force or to recapitalize more of the high-end assets, that's what we need to do."<br /><br />The auxiliary ships of MSC are becoming more central to fleet operations as demonstrated in the recent Bold Alligator exercise, which included the joint high-speed vessel Choctaw County. JHSVs and other MSC vessels can augment amphibious operations -- once a fleet mainstay -- but have their own complexities, including putting their civilian crews in the middle of dangerous operations.<br /><br />The fleet remains well short of the Marine Corps' stated goal of 38 amphibious ships; it had 31 as of December, according to the Naval Vessel Register.<br /><br />Closely tied in is the issue of cost. Building new a JHSV costs about $180 million, about one-third the cost of a littoral combat ship. It has a crew of fewer than 30 civilians with an annual operating cost of $26 million, according to MSC data. In comparison, the LCS has a core crew of 50 sailors and mission-module crews of 15 to 20 sailors, and costs $79 million to operate annually, according to the Government Accountability Office. A frigate has 170 sailors and costs $54 million in annual operations costs, while a destroyer has approximately 250 sailors at an annual cost of $88 million.<br /><br />On the other hand, MSC ships have drawbacks. They are not manned to fix battle damage and are crewed by Navy civilians, raising questions about how much they can participate in an offensive action like an amphibious assault under the laws of war. But from a practical standpoint, recent exercises have put MSC ships to the test in uncontested sea space, and found them up to the task.<br /><br />The Choctaw County served as a launch pad for special operators, launched riverine and diving teams, and delivered a host of fuel trucks in Bold Alligator 2014, which concluded in early November. The dry cargo ship Medgar Evers served as an alternate command, control, operational and logistics platform.<br /><br />Similarly, the dry cargo ships Lewis and Clark and the Sacagawea "offer tremendous flexibility to the Marines" in pre-position missions, said Rear Adm. Larry Jackson, MSC's deputy commander. They have conducted flight ops with the MV-22 Osprey and successfully implemented the command and control suite in recent exercises. And the afloat forward staging base Ponce continues to prove its worth in the Persian Gulf, where the non-combatant ship (with a hybrid crew of 55 sailors and 165 civilians) conducts mine clearing and partner training.<br /><br />Officials and analysts are urging the Navy to move quickly from concept to commitment. The two existing classes of LCS are under intense scrutiny from Pentagon leaders. There is little money for new ships, and those that remain are burdened by maintenance backlogs and the retirement of frigates in 2015.<br /><br />Bryan Clark, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, believes that the continuing shortfall in small surface combatants will mean higher op tempo for those that remain, to include cruisers and destroyers, which should be protecting flattops, providing ballistic missile defense, conducting anti-submarine warfare, and the like.<br /><br />"The mission package concept should be expanded and separated from only being associated with the LCS program," Clark, a former adviser to the chief of naval operations, wrote in his Nov. 24 report, "Commanding the Seas: A Plan to Reinvigorate U.S. Navy Surface Warfare."<br /><br />"This would enable … noncombatant ships to do [small surface combatant] missions that otherwise would fall to large surface combatants," his report said. "The self-contained combination of operators and equipment associated with mission packages enables these capabilities to be deployed on other Navy, Coast Guard, and Department of Transportation ships."<br /><br />Clark sees no reason to stop there. He recommended the Navy evaluate other mission packages such as signals intelligence, airborne surveillance, counter-illicit trafficking, and electronic warfare.<br /><br />MSC is also interesting in new ways to augment Navy missions, the MSC deputy commander said.<br /><br />"The ideas are coming fast and furious from all corners of the Navy, which is good," Jackson said. "We're having those discussions with fleet customers not on a daily basis, but certainly on a regular basis. We don't even know what missions we will be called on to do in the future, but we are doing our best to explore all of the opportunities."<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/09/msc-gortney-gator-amphibious-marine-bold-alligator/19791463/">http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/09/msc-gortney-gator-amphibious-marine-bold-alligator/19791463/</a> Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:20:09 -0500 Civilian-crewed vessels see larger role in amphibious ops https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/civilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-15884"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fcivilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Civilian-crewed+vessels+see+larger+role+in+amphibious+ops&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fcivilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0ACivilian-crewed vessels see larger role in amphibious ops%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/civilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="3ed9297b302dea53b0f02b9481f62364" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/015/884/for_gallery_v2/635532896544845360-NAV-Civilian-crewed-vessels.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/015/884/large_v3/635532896544845360-NAV-Civilian-crewed-vessels.jpg" alt="635532896544845360 nav civilian crewed vessels" /></a></div></div>From: Navy Times<br /><br />With the gator Navy busy and undersized, officials hope the duct tape that covers the remaining gaps are the ships of Military Sealift Command.<br /><br />Top officials are confident that mobile landing platforms, pre-positioning ships, joint high-speed vessels and even tankers can ease the mission load. Adm. Bill Gortney, who ended his run as head of Fleet Forces Command on Nov. 24, is among the supporters.<br /><br />"Can we use a lower-cost capability to do some of those low-end missions? Absolutely," said Gortney. "If we can provide the same capability for lower cost, and that frees up more money for readiness of the rest of the force or to recapitalize more of the high-end assets, that's what we need to do."<br /><br />The auxiliary ships of MSC are becoming more central to fleet operations as demonstrated in the recent Bold Alligator exercise, which included the joint high-speed vessel Choctaw County. JHSVs and other MSC vessels can augment amphibious operations -- once a fleet mainstay -- but have their own complexities, including putting their civilian crews in the middle of dangerous operations.<br /><br />The fleet remains well short of the Marine Corps' stated goal of 38 amphibious ships; it had 31 as of December, according to the Naval Vessel Register.<br /><br />Closely tied in is the issue of cost. Building new a JHSV costs about $180 million, about one-third the cost of a littoral combat ship. It has a crew of fewer than 30 civilians with an annual operating cost of $26 million, according to MSC data. In comparison, the LCS has a core crew of 50 sailors and mission-module crews of 15 to 20 sailors, and costs $79 million to operate annually, according to the Government Accountability Office. A frigate has 170 sailors and costs $54 million in annual operations costs, while a destroyer has approximately 250 sailors at an annual cost of $88 million.<br /><br />On the other hand, MSC ships have drawbacks. They are not manned to fix battle damage and are crewed by Navy civilians, raising questions about how much they can participate in an offensive action like an amphibious assault under the laws of war. But from a practical standpoint, recent exercises have put MSC ships to the test in uncontested sea space, and found them up to the task.<br /><br />The Choctaw County served as a launch pad for special operators, launched riverine and diving teams, and delivered a host of fuel trucks in Bold Alligator 2014, which concluded in early November. The dry cargo ship Medgar Evers served as an alternate command, control, operational and logistics platform.<br /><br />Similarly, the dry cargo ships Lewis and Clark and the Sacagawea "offer tremendous flexibility to the Marines" in pre-position missions, said Rear Adm. Larry Jackson, MSC's deputy commander. They have conducted flight ops with the MV-22 Osprey and successfully implemented the command and control suite in recent exercises. And the afloat forward staging base Ponce continues to prove its worth in the Persian Gulf, where the non-combatant ship (with a hybrid crew of 55 sailors and 165 civilians) conducts mine clearing and partner training.<br /><br />Officials and analysts are urging the Navy to move quickly from concept to commitment. The two existing classes of LCS are under intense scrutiny from Pentagon leaders. There is little money for new ships, and those that remain are burdened by maintenance backlogs and the retirement of frigates in 2015.<br /><br />Bryan Clark, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, believes that the continuing shortfall in small surface combatants will mean higher op tempo for those that remain, to include cruisers and destroyers, which should be protecting flattops, providing ballistic missile defense, conducting anti-submarine warfare, and the like.<br /><br />"The mission package concept should be expanded and separated from only being associated with the LCS program," Clark, a former adviser to the chief of naval operations, wrote in his Nov. 24 report, "Commanding the Seas: A Plan to Reinvigorate U.S. Navy Surface Warfare."<br /><br />"This would enable … noncombatant ships to do [small surface combatant] missions that otherwise would fall to large surface combatants," his report said. "The self-contained combination of operators and equipment associated with mission packages enables these capabilities to be deployed on other Navy, Coast Guard, and Department of Transportation ships."<br /><br />Clark sees no reason to stop there. He recommended the Navy evaluate other mission packages such as signals intelligence, airborne surveillance, counter-illicit trafficking, and electronic warfare.<br /><br />MSC is also interesting in new ways to augment Navy missions, the MSC deputy commander said.<br /><br />"The ideas are coming fast and furious from all corners of the Navy, which is good," Jackson said. "We're having those discussions with fleet customers not on a daily basis, but certainly on a regular basis. We don't even know what missions we will be called on to do in the future, but we are doing our best to explore all of the opportunities."<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/09/msc-gortney-gator-amphibious-marine-bold-alligator/19791463/">http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/09/msc-gortney-gator-amphibious-marine-bold-alligator/19791463/</a> Navy Times Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:20:09 -0500 2014-12-10T09:20:09-05:00 Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 7:28 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/civilian-crewed-vessels-see-larger-role-in-amphibious-ops?n=364939&urlhash=364939 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I remember off-loading our equipment for a deployment from a civilian ship. There really was no need for a Navy vessel to transport our vehicles and other large equipment. The civilian boat and crew did a fine job. I think this is a good idea and probably a way to save money. CW5 Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:28:25 -0500 2014-12-10T19:28:25-05:00 2014-12-10T09:20:09-05:00