Civilian experience vs military experience: why do the state and Federal H.R. refused to accept military training and experience?

SGT Jay Ehrenfeld — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:44:50 -0400

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 8:26 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:26:26 -0400

It depends on what it is and what state you are in. There are standards of equivalency...if they can't equate it to similar civilian education, they can't give you credit for it.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Apr 22 at 2016 8:30 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:30:40 -0400

Leadership, management, budgeting, admin,etc... They do accept it if properly framed (understand demilitarized) and will get you a long way. The question should be: where do we fail when it comes demonstrate our military experience for the civilian world? My humble opinion.

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made Apr 22 at 2016 9:03 PM

SGT Jay Ehrenfeld — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 21:03:56 -0400

Top,
This treatment by cilivailn H.R. is the professor telling these young person Military isn't a job.
But after May 11, State of Missouri will force the state Agencies H.R. will accept Military expirence over cilivailn experience.
Hiw MN any veteran's denied of jobs because of favorite of a civilian over veteran's

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 23 at 2016 4:59 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 04:59:37 -0400

Sgt. Ehrenfeld, it is a matter of properly packaging a resume. I know many Federal HR specialists that have military background.

Good luck.

Response by MSgt Msgtroy Foster made Apr 23 at 2016 6:54 AM

MSgt Msgtroy Foster — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 06:54:52 -0400

It is,against the law,not to accept military experience

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Apr 23 at 2016 8:00 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 08:00:18 -0400

I feel some HR people are afraid of veterans and then allot of people are afraid that they might lose there job to a veteran who is better qualified. We do everything in leadership positions in the military and we try to get our degrees in the line of business that we want to work when we're done in the military. We can have a perfect resume an all out paperwork in order an we sometimes still get turned down. I've personally ran into ( your over qualified, why do you want to work here, or the look on there face after they look at your resume and application)

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2016 1:34 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:34:22 -0400

I doubt you'll remember "Veteran Preference" in federal hiring practices in the decade after Vietnam officially closed up shop in 1975. It was huge and it was posted everywhere. It was written into notices for all job openings at the federal level. I was on two federal registers as the top candidate for the FBI and the BATF in the Chicago Field Division, which covered about nine states at the time. I was never hired. There were, and still remain to this day, two lists of candidates. It's smoke and mirrors, SGT Jay Ehrenfeld, smoke and mirrors.

Response by Capt Michael Greene made Apr 24 at 2016 2:52 AM

Capt Michael Greene — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 02:52:53 -0400

CPT John Sheridan gave the PERFECT answer. I've been civilian 20 years after 20 years service. The BIG DEAL in civvie life is the ability to get along with coworkers and bosses. A resume needs to be demilitarized big time. State your veteran status in small print. AND, remember, as a military person, you probably have tremendously much more experience than your civvie competitors. You might need to leave OUT many things so you don't appear over-qualified.

Response by CDR Kenneth Kaiser made Apr 30 at 2016 2:10 AM

CDR Kenneth Kaiser — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:10:55 -0400

I would suggest that the easiest way to become a government employee is by becoming a contractor in your field of interest. Your government counterparts will have an opportunity to observe your work and get to know you. Then as openings arise you at least have a better chance to apply. I don't know if it has changed much but my experience was that the government hiring process was an order of magnitude longer than the civilian workforce. When I was a civilian it took me a maximum of two weeks to hire someone. Government on the other hand the process from identifying the need and finally getting someone on board can take 6-8 months. As a consequence unless they know you your chances of getting called are slim.