Civilian workers on post

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:01:39 -0500

My discussion starts with this. I have seen plenty of times the civilian government workers getting off with speeding on post in government vehicles. Only because they say they are late or they don't know the speed limit when it's clearly posted yet they will only follow it when it suits them. Should they be held to the same standard where if they are speeding because of being late or other reasons, wether in a pov or gov should they receive same punishments as a soldier would receive?

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2014 3:07 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:07:41 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, there is no doubt about it - everyone should be held to the same standards when it comes to speeding on post (possible exception of emergency vehicles). I don't see what you describe on the post where I "live." That is unacceptable - POV or GOV.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2014 3:10 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:10:04 -0500

That should be pursued no matter who does it. Not surprising considering the times.

Response by CW3 Kim B. made Apr 11 at 2017 12:11 AM

CW3 Kim B. — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 00:11:43 -0400

What? This is nonsense. Civilians don't get special privileges for speeding or any other traffics violation! They just didn't get caught that day!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 4 at 2022 3:22 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 15:22:31 -0400

My problem is some civilians are jackasses. Don't get me wrong. The military has them as well.

Response by Maj Robert Thornton made Nov 4 at 2022 4:18 PM

Maj Robert Thornton — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 16:18:09 -0400

Of course they should!

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Nov 4 at 2022 4:40 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 16:40:40 -0400

Yes,they should be held to the same standard, as everyone else!

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Nov 5 at 2022 10:49 AM

MSG Thomas Currie — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 10:49:53 -0400

So you're complaining that civilian employees, dependents, and visitors all do the same thing you do, but you think they get away with it -- all your post tells me is that you got a speeding ticket.

The fact is that civilian employees and dependents are often punished much more severely for speeding and other minor traffic violations compared to soldiers. A soldier who is ticketed will often just be reported to the chain of command - where such reports are ignored if the soldier is considered good, or might get an Art 15 if the unit is looking for a reason to punish the soldier for his attitude or performance. Meanwhile any civilian who is ticketed for any traffic violation is hauled into the federal magistrate court where they will be fined and charged court costs. Soldiers can be sent to magistrate's court too, but that rarely happens for minor offenses.

Visitors might get away with not showing up for court - although the court will issue a bench warrant (which is rarely enforced) and the person will generally then be banned from driving on the installation (which they may or may not care about).

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2022 10:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 22:25:20 -0500

yes...