Combat patches: Are they for show or do they really mean something??

SSG Christopher K. — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 06:15:07 -0400

The reason that I ask this is because my unit is deployed to Kuwait right now. Kuwait was reclassified before we got here as a non combat zone. There are many people who were upset about this and just as many who didn't care either way. I have noticed though that many people just say its just a patch it doesn't mean anything (they usually already have one though). So my question again. Is a combat patch just a patch or does it really mean something??

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 6:35 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 06:35:25 -0400

I've always felt that the term combat patch is misleading. It's more like an overseas service patch than anything else. I was awarded two from Iraq and honorarily given some by the people I've worked with (not authorized for wear, of course). The problem is that you have people going about judging people for being so called "slick sleeves" when the circumstances of being awarded those patches change and change again. Just because you don't have a shiny bit of embroidered velcro under your flag patch does not mean anything much about your service as a soldier.

Also, Hi from Buehring
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My issue with the term combat patch derives from the word combat. If it is truly representative of combat, then why do I - as Air Traffic Control - have one when I am essentially a fobbit? There are other chesticles that people legitimately earn for their actions and experience in combat. They should have the honor of being associated with a combat award, not me. As far as I know, the official term for it IS Overseas Service Patch

[Correction]
According to the AR 670-1, It's called the "Shoulder Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service" or "SSI–FWTS" If you're talking about the hoop look fastener patch I was thinking you were talking about. Otherwise, the colored ones pictured are called the "Combat Service Identification Badge" AKA CSIB and are worn on your ASUs. (Thanks to SSG Rob Cline for pointing out that one)

Response by SSG Rob Cline made Apr 5 at 2015 6:43 AM

SSG Rob Cline — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 06:43:23 -0400

It's called the Combat Service Identification Badge, or CSIB.

Response by SSG Rob Cline made Apr 5 at 2015 6:44 AM

SSG Rob Cline — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 06:44:16 -0400

Don't worry about what others think. Just do your job to the best of your abilities.

Response by SSG Christopher K. made Apr 6 at 2015 8:14 AM

SSG Christopher K. — Mon, 06 Apr 2015 08:14:24 -0400

SPC Armando De Santiago, I see your point on this question and agree with you completely. But there are those who do spend time away from there families doing there service for the military and do not get one based on the sole fact that they are in a "non combat area". I am one of those soldiers who are in one of those areas now. Does it "piss me off" no. I know that I am here I know what I have done. I don't need validation from others to make me feel better. However I have given just as much as someone sent to a "combat area", so what is the validation. It appears that no one likes the term combat patch either. So what differentiates the two???

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Apr 6 at 2015 8:22 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Mon, 06 Apr 2015 08:22:16 -0400

To me, the combat patch more recently labeled the Combat Service Identification Badge only carries the meaning that we allow it to have. I think after 13 years of combat operations, the meaning of the word "combat" and thus the badge as changed several times. For the first couple years I was in, combat patches were rare to see. It meant that those wearing one were around during an elevated time of security and were involved in actions that the rest of us weren't. Then following the attacking on 9/11 which the increase of combat deployments, those without a patch became rare. Now we sit in this weird limbo-isk state where there are still a lot of people walking around with combat patch but maybe just as many without. Personally, I think the combat patch means more to the glory seekers than it does to those of us just trying to do our jobs. The majority of us here aren't looking to considered heroes or anything crazy but yet some in our ranks can't be happy with their performance until they have some sort of patch on their right arm.

Personally, I'm very proud of my combat patch. It was a huge honor to receive the 101st Airborne Division patch as my combat patch. It means I served with some of the best men and women the military has to offer. It also gave me pride because it was the same combat patch my grandfather received on D-1 Day when he when into France on the gliders. But the patch doesn't sum me up. It's merely something that shows I did my job, I did it well and whom I did with.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 8:43 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Apr 2015 08:43:03 -0400

If you are authorized to wear SSI-FWTS it should mean something. Even if you didn't actually participate in "combat" you deployed in support of an operation and in support of your country. If you have multiple SSI-FWTS each one has a different meaning to you, different experiences, different people you interacted with.

You should be proud and wear it proudly!!!

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Apr 6 at 2015 10:10 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:10:53 -0400

It is to show that you have been in a theater of combat operations. But to me it depends on the wearer. I have friends that they don't care and don't wear it. But to me it is a pride that I like to show saying that I did something for my country and my unit and my FAMILY. I wear mine with pride. I have three. Only one actually seen COMBAT. The other two was defending something that never would have seen action. In the last two we took in coming allot! so to me I wasn't catching bullets but was in the area of mortars and COULD have taken one.

Response by SGT Freddie Wooten made Oct 30 at 2015 2:40 PM

SGT Freddie Wooten — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:40:27 -0400

It means you were in a combat zone

Response by SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT made Jan 6 at 2016 11:24 PM

SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 23:24:52 -0500

It does man something and when you ar authorized multiple you can choose which one you want to wear as your Combat Patch

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 7:55 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:55:23 -0500

I think it means something. When I was a younger enlisted soldier all I wanted was to be double stacked and have an 82nd patch on both shoulders. Of course there was no conflict from 98-01 so I was out of luck. I think it shows that you got to prove yourself during a conflict, no matter what your MOS is. Everyone serves but not everyone gets to put all of their training to use in a combat zone. It's like a test. Just my opinion.

Response by Col Lyman Faith made Mar 2 at 2016 1:40 AM

Col Lyman Faith — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:40:41 -0500

The patch means something to me. My late father wore a 6th Army patch awarded for service in WWII and my son wears a SSI-FWTS for his service in the current unpleasantness.

Response by SFC Craig Dalen made Mar 2 at 2016 10:59 AM

SFC Craig Dalen — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 10:59:03 -0500

Of course it means something. Many of our Soldiers earned the right to wear a combat patch. We have fought side by side creating a brotherhood in arms. Some have even lost fellow Soldiers fighting for this country and that unit. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

Response by SGT William Howell made Mar 2 at 2016 1:26 PM

SGT William Howell — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 13:26:13 -0500

If you earned a combat patch in Kuwait then it does not mean anything to me. I wouldn't wipe my ass with it. It is not really a "COMBAT" patch. Now a combat patch that was earned in a place that actually has combat means something. I know this statement is going to open a can of worms about support troops, but if you did not support in a combat zone you should not receive a combat patch.

Response by SGT Larry E. Satterwhite Sr made Mar 3 at 2016 12:26 PM

SGT Larry E. Satterwhite Sr — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:26:10 -0500

It definitely means something...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:06 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:06:27 -0500

My combat means a lot to me. It reminds me of the sacrifice, blood sweat, tears and challenges I make every deployment to a foreign country...not knowing if I will coming on off the plane in a casket or not.

Response by CPL Jack Howell made Mar 3 at 2016 3:19 PM

CPL Jack Howell — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:19:48 -0500

Military life will never make you rich monetarily. Many things done will never be rewarded. The patches earned show jr. personnel your experience. This should also earn a bit of respect. So my simple answer is yes it does mean something. I would also like to add that Kuwait is not a combat zone. Earn the patch!

Response by SSG Wesley McCarty made Mar 3 at 2016 9:49 PM

SSG Wesley McCarty — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:49:08 -0500

If you sat on your ass in Kuwait or Qatar: NO! If you got your ass shot at, mortared, or dodged rockets every damn day - YES!

Response by MSG Bob Metz made Mar 4 at 2016 12:43 AM

MSG Bob Metz — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:43:56 -0500

The combat patch is a relatively new innovation to the Army uniform. If memory serves, starting during WW I w/ the 81st Inf Div "Wildcats" I believe. It soon spread initiating a sense of "Esprit de Corps" and ever since has been a part of Army tradition an lore...

Response by MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect made Mar 4 at 2016 9:54 AM

MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:54:48 -0500

A combat patch means you have been to an area that the U.S. is actively engaged in armed combat or an area where you could be fired upon. Now what does it REALLY mean?
Ok, it means you didn't duck deployment. It means you know what a J-list is. It means you know the feeling of getting off a C-130 or C5 and being scared on what you will see when the door opens. It means there's a possibility you helped plan a deployment and know what you will need and the things you wont need because when you got to your deployed site, you found out there was a bunch of crap that you didn't need you brought with you. It means you have experience. It means you EARNED something.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Mar 4 at 2016 6:31 PM

SFC Marcus Belt — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:31:57 -0500

They don't until they do. We've been in two theaters for a VERY long time, and so when I see a SFC or above or a MAJ or above without one, I notice.

What does it mean beyond that? Depends on the individual. Are they competent? Are they pleasant (or at least not unpleasant) to work with?

Response by SGT Scott Janko made Mar 7 at 2016 1:33 PM

SGT Scott Janko — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 13:33:43 -0500

only somebody that earned one in combat would know the answer is yes to us it means alo the one's that didn't survive and the ones that have died since of other things . So yes it does to us.

Response by SGT Barry Third made Mar 7 at 2016 2:06 PM

SGT Barry Third — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:06:26 -0500

only a real Idiot would question if a combat patch is worth wearing, I earned mine and really proud of the fact that God gave grace on me and the U.S., Survival of some units is carried with that patch , along with Honor, especially if that unit has been deactivated

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2016 2:20 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:20:47 -0500

Only someone who hasn't earned one would think that they're for show. It shows that you're proven, and you have done your job in combat, unless you got your in Kuwait.

Response by SPC Trevor Berryhill made Mar 7 at 2016 2:21 PM

SPC Trevor Berryhill — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:21:36 -0500

For the non-blue cords out there, theres a difference between a combat badge, and a deployment badge. One you did nothing, the other you took rounds.

Kuwait is a non combat zone, the jobs that were upset need a new MOS

Response by MSG Danya Jones made Mar 7 at 2016 2:31 PM

MSG Danya Jones — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:31:51 -0500

The four I have mean a hell of a lot!!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2016 2:43 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:43:59 -0500

That's what medals and ribbons are for. Nobody else wears combat patches, and yes, other branches see combat.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Mar 7 at 2016 2:59 PM

PO3 David Davis — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:59:08 -0500

It should mean something. I think people get upset because they sacrifice time to go to a foreign country and want to be recognized.

Response by SGT Leon Brimm made Mar 7 at 2016 3:18 PM

SGT Leon Brimm — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:18:58 -0500

To me, it is a big deal. I went to Iraq one time, saw combat, earned the right to wear it until I got out and still display them today. I hold them as dear as I do any award I ever earned and I think they should be worn if earned. It is not up to us as soldiers to ID combat theater but to go where we are ordered and wear what the Dept of the Army and our officers say we earned. Scouts Out!

Response by SrA Patrick Jacobs made Mar 7 at 2016 3:23 PM

SrA Patrick Jacobs — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:23:38 -0500

We have been in some sort of combat in the Middle East since 1990 so they have been watered down in the 26 years.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2016 3:30 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:30:38 -0500

It means something to me. I deployed to Kuwait, but ran convoy security from Camp Buehring into Iraq. I got as far north as JBB. I'd be willing to bet I saw more of Iraq and spent more time outside the wire than a lot of those stationed in Iraq. I definitely feel like I earned it.

When I look at it now, it reminds me of those I served with. It also ties me back to that unit, as I've since transferred States. I'm proud to wear the patch of the best ARNG division (the 34th ID) in the nation.

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Mar 7 at 2016 3:34 PM

SGT Alicia Brenneis — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:34:15 -0500

It means something to me. My fist patch was given to me by my NCO just matter of fact without ceremony. He told me and the others that it didn't make us special, that it was just a symbol of experience and that those of us who had one would be held to a higher standerd accordingly. He did not make it home. So to me it became a reminder of him and to hold myself to that higher standard. It didn't make me better than anyone who had not deployed, just different.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2016 5:09 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:09:55 -0500

The patches did lose a little bit of their meaning but that meaning is making a comeback. Taking the reserve for example, the last number I saw was that only 40% currently serving in the Army Reserve have been deployed. That means the number who don't have one actually outnumber those of us that do. The patch is also a motivational tool to the reserves as I have heard and seen a number of Soldiers volunteer for missions because they want one. Ultimately the patch is what you make it. If you have one, wear it with pride. If you don't and you want one, step up and go get it. If you don't care either way, that's fine too. Just serve your country to the best of your ability as you swore an oath to do.

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 7 at 2016 7:10 PM

Maj John Bell — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 19:10:06 -0500

Lions do not need to roar. If your internal assessment of your own value and accomplishment is not enough, no patch will make up for that. If you are awarded a patch and you deserve it, you will wear it with pride, but it will never in and of itself be the source of your pride. It is my experience that those warriors that have really been in a soup sandwich, are the least likely to want to speak about it.

Response by SPC John O'Brien III made Mar 7 at 2016 7:15 PM

SPC John O'Brien III — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 19:15:08 -0500

Everything on the uniform is "just for show" tabs, unit patches, qualification badges.... it's all just for show, all any uniform needs is rank and name....

though they'd look pretty stupid with just those...

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Mar 7 at 2016 9:38 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 21:38:38 -0500

I left mine at THE WALL many years ago (4th Div.) and my children asked me why, I told them that's were it belongs and it does mean something to me

Response by SGT Kevin Gaona made Mar 7 at 2016 10:31 PM

SGT Kevin Gaona — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:31:11 -0500

At the very least, it means that you served in a combat zone. In some way, shape or form, you put your life on hold; missed birthdays, anniversaries, hospital visits, etc., to help our nation fight its wars. Most of us who have one know the difference between being in a support role and being the shooters.

There should be a way to show the difference between those who did and those who didn't.

Wear it with pride. But be honest to yourself and with others about what you did and didn't.

Once a year, for Fourth of July celebration at my church, I shave my beard and wear my Class As. That combat patch is a matter of deep pride personally, but also of nothing for respect for those doing the actual fighting. It's my way of telling others, "Yes, I served in a combat zone, but it differs from my comrades who fought, bled an died." And are still doing so.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 8:45 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 08:45:02 -0500

As with any of the accoutrements we wear on our uniforms, the combat patch represents an outward demonstration of accomplishments. This is also why we wear rank. Wearing a patch, a tab, rank, medals, wings, etc. is merely a method to demonstrate a given person's presumed abilities and background. How much each of those items "means" is a personal judgment. People might believe they went to the last "hard class", tough deployment, or whatever. Alternatively, someone might think, "That was easy" about Airborne School once they've graduated. The point is that not everyone does these things or accomplishes the same degree of distinction. If you wear an item (patch, badge, etc.), wear it with pride in the accomplishment and with pride for others who have also worn it. To do less denigrates yourself and the accomplishments of others who have earned it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 1:11 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:11:48 -0500

Sadly, many Veterans put each other down by which combat patch they have or where it was earned. Yes, in my case, it meant I was in a combat zone during a certain era. For others, it was earned by serving in hot combat. The CIB or CAB provides this additional distinction. Combat patches, like ribbons, devices, and medals simply tell a Soldier's story. A one year tour in Kuwait between 2003 and 2014 was still a year away from a family and service to the nation. We should be proud of what we earned.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 9:56 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 21:56:53 -0500

So the combat patch in my eyes has two meanings. These meanings won't be found in regulation

SSI-FWTS is one meaning. I normally never vocalize this but this is what I consider when I hear people describe their deployment and they sat on that fob. Could order pizza to their barracks room. Worked in that office. Etc etc.... I don't say this to downplay any means each played a vital role however insignificant an individual may have felt

Combat patch is another.

I wear a combat patch.

That small bit of fabric that is on my shoulder has significant meaning to me, if someone told me it means nothing.... Well I'd have some choice words lacking tact for them.
It is a memory I wear and display to the days of lacing up them boots, throwing on a plate carrier, picking up my rifle and aid bag, and going out for stroll. From patrols simply to go out and look for trouble, or escort a VIP to a meeting, or delivering some sweet American freedom from the skies in a big bellied chinook. Sitting waiting on EOD... Or worse recovery... Being stuck in a mountain sick of MRE so a goat magically appeared on the dinner menu for a BBQ. It's a testimont to the memory of every soldier who was with me, who will remain always with me, until our next final great reunion. Brothers not of blood but will remain the closest relationships we may ever know. Deeper relationships than what we will develop with family and even a spouse. If something like that has no meaning to a person, then they need to get their heads checked.

Like I tell my younger soldiers when they mention deployment patches... It doesn't qualify a person for job profiency nor makes me any better of a soldier than they are. All it means is that I've been fortunate enough to have had such an experience. To be called upon to go do that job. If they're lucky there time will come too.

Response by COL Robert Sholly made Mar 8 at 2016 10:28 PM

COL Robert Sholly — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:28:42 -0500

As a 35-year veteran, it is my experience that combat patches do what they are intended to do. Build morale and esprit de corps. As a young soldier, I always looked up to the men who wore the patches of WWII and Korea. I did not feel left out or demoralized, it merely added to the respect I had for these men who had done things I could only dream about doing in the service. I can't imagine the mentality of a unit commander who felt that his combat veterans should not wear their patches because it might hurt the feelings of others in the unit who had never deployed. WTH? Surely this PC BS is not beginning to permeate MY Army? The patches should be worn as awards of honor and service, just like an "I was there" ribbon. Does this commander also feel that his combat soldiers should not wear their authorized ribbons and awards because others in his unit didn't have them? What a crock! Combat patches should mean something to those who view them and to those who wear them. I can guarantee that those of us who wore them because we were infantry combat soldiers did so with great pride. If someone doesn't care whether they wear one or not, those soldiers are the ones who don't see the big picture of camaraderie and distinctive service. Patches send a message to all who understand them that this individual has been someplace where he has put his life on the line for the country. If the place is not that dangerous, then they should not authorize the patch.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 6:04 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 06:04:20 -0500

They do, usually to those who actually participate in combat. Let that sink in for you, oh and Kuwait isn't a deployment. It's a 9 month NTC rotation, I'm here too.

Response by SPC Paul Prevost made Mar 11 at 2016 8:54 AM

SPC Paul Prevost — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:54:08 -0500

I earned 3 combat patches in Iraq. I put a small amount of pride in each one, not so much for showing what a bad ass I was but for the men and women who served and died on the battlefield with me. Messing with that is a no-no. Also, the patch from my unit means the most to me because they retired the Unit after we returned from Iraq. We were the last company to wear that patch into battle. Messing with that would defiantly piss me right the hell off.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 1:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 13:21:22 -0400

Personally I'm not a fan of the AF wearing army combat patches, nor am I a fan of Army wearing Marine Corps patches. It has all gotten out of control in the last few years.

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Jul 3 at 2016 1:23 PM

CW2 Ernest Krutzsch — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 13:23:09 -0400

If you need patches or awards to justify what you have done you have little or no self esteem. Awards are nice, but if your goal is to get them rather than to do your best, your motivation is wrong. Also, I would never downplay an award that was AUTHORIZED, whether you think it was justified or not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 1:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 13:24:29 -0400

A Combat patch means I sacrificed time away from my family that I will never get back. It means I missed my son's first steps. I means I missed my son's first words. It means when I came back my son didn't know who I was. It means I left a baby and came back to a boy and I can never get that back. So a combat patch means nothing? Are out of your mind.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 3:26 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:26:14 -0400

In my opinion, yes SSI-FWTS and ribbons means that you have to experience and it would be awesome to mentor soliders about how to better prepare themselves for future conflicts. However, if one is being a snob or have an unfavorable personality, awards/tabs/patch means nothing.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 3:49 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:49:10 -0400

Newer soldiers see those patches and know they can go to them for any advice regarding deployment or, guidance

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 4:12 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 16:12:53 -0400

It means that you went to a AO during a conflict with a big target painted on your back. It does not signify what you did while you were there, it signifies what you were willing to do. Any place can be considered a war zone with our current enemy.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 6:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 18:32:58 -0400

I wear the patch of my previous units deployment in memorium of the brothers we lost there. I couldn't care less about signifying I deployed because I know what I did and that's all that matters. This patch helps me remember

Response by SFC Shane Funkhouser made Jul 3 at 2016 6:53 PM

SFC Shane Funkhouser — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 18:53:53 -0400

It means something as far as esprit de corp. The same as your unit patch. Some don't care some do. As for Kuwait it has been of the combat zone list for awhile but for the guys saying crap like they'd wipe their ass with it if they got one for Kuwait I'd say grow up. I have multiple deployments and yes one was in Kuwait doing corrections operations during OIF 1 while it was still considered a combat zone. We were acting as combat support and although we did go into iraq on occasion 90% of that deployment was In kuwait. I don't feel I was being disingenuous wearing the patch I received that was where the army sent me it was listed as a combat zone I was entitled to wear it. End of story. Not everyone is going to be on the front line every deployment. Although I got plenty of chances in other deployments. Wear what you earn with pride if someone belittles it ask them when the last time they turned down an award because they just didn't feel they deserved it was.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 7:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 19:00:20 -0400

When the war first kicked off. I mean actually started in May 2003 we had all the scud missiles coming in and the in-coming alarms constantly going off. Yes it was an easy duty but we had our own hardships like not knowing if I wanted fried chicken or not during chow.

Now does this make my 101st patch no good from Mosul 2005-2006? I was with a maintenence company then and we really didn't do maintenance. We ran convoys from Turkey into Iraq delivering supplies to all the FOBs. We constantly to mortar fire and small arms fire while on the FOB but we were lucky that none of our convoys were ever hit. Convoys that rolled through behind us were hit but never our company. So with the thinking of you didn't actually engage the enemy means my patch is shit. I say you're wrong I did everything and was in the same area as everybody else when they got theirs why is mine different?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 8:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2016 20:29:24 -0400

When rounds are going in both directions on a fairly routine basis during a deployment... that path carries a bit more weight. The right to wear one shouldn't be handed out like candy, anymore than a n award.

Response by 1SG Andrew Bowman made Jul 4 at 2016 9:17 AM

1SG Andrew Bowman — Mon, 04 Jul 2016 09:17:41 -0400

SGT Christopher Knapton - you're an NCO, but it appears that you still have a lot to learn if you have to ask that question...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 12:15 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:15:59 -0400

SSI-FWTS is proper. I loathe the term "combat patch" due to the lack of combat that seems to abound.
I have always seen it as a "I showed up for work" patch and Badges would be an "I showed up for work on a bad day" equivalent. Others see it differently but patches and badges do not a soldier make.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 7:16 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:16:17 -0400

It is a symbol for that young Soldier to look for to help them seek out someone with experince to help guide and mentor them, give them confidence to get through the unknown.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 8:24 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:24:31 -0400

I think that answer is self evident. Those of us who have been over there (where or when ever that was.) It holds meaning it shows you were tested and are proven to some extent. However it does not mean we are better just that we know. It shows those junior to us that we have some experience and can teach with having practicle application not just training and book knowledge. For those who only look at what we have on our uniform and dont try to understand what it means its just a way to show off. A understanding of symbolisim is needed today at all levels in and out of the military.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 8:54 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:54:44 -0400

Unless something has changed its my understanding that it is called a deployment patch and not a "combat" patch. Resin being is the rear D people also wear the same patch even though they never left the states for whatever their reason was. Once that happened to me it lost all meaning and just became something else to buy and wear.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 9:17 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:17:34 -0400

My combat patch means a great deal to me. It symbolizes (to me) that all the training that I recieved in the military had lead up to the point where I really was 'battle-tested'. I joined the Army in 1974, got out, and came back on active duty in 1976. In 1994, I again left active duty, but joined the IMA while I decided what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. I used the GI Bill (the old, old GI Bill!) for college, went on to Graduate school on the University of Illinois' dime, and became a full time civilian. When I was called up for Iraq in 2004, I felt that I was coming back home to be with my true family. When the Army finally decided that age 60 was enough for them (last year), I took my boots and went home permanately. In all of my years serving, my proudest one was in combat. So, to make a long story short, my combat patch 'really means something'.

Response by SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder made Jul 26 at 2016 9:31 AM

SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:31:35 -0400

If a soldier is actually deployed to a combat zone than they rate to wear a combat patch. I don't believe that there has been actual combat taken place in Kuwait since the early '90s so it would not have made sense to give people who deployed to there deployment patches after that. Than again Saddam did launch scuds at us for a few weeks before the invasion in 2003. So maybe then it would have been appropriate.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 9:48 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:48:42 -0400

Big Sarge, I hate to break it down probably like everyone else has but Kuwait hasn't been considered a combat zone since January 1991. Your orders probably say your there for some sort of support or PEACE keeping mission. Who ever states a combat patch doesn't mean anything is more than likely a soft skill MOS , who's emotions were not played with in the dirt as your firing back at the enemy for your brothers on the left and right. Asked any paratrooper who landed on Omaha if their combat patch meant something. If you even know what I am talking about.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 10:45 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:45:42 -0400

Be proud of what you do and where you have been.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 10:57 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:57:41 -0400

A combat patch means you have combat deployment experience. It maybe some good experiences or it maybe bad. Point is that you were ready to deploy when your country needed you. Point is a unit can count on you to be medically, duty, and physically fit to deploy. Not having a combat patch doesn't mean you're not competent. I've had this argument used against me by those who have deployed. Train as you fight, know what right looks like, and be ready to shoot, move, and communicate. That is all.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 11:53 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:53:22 -0400

Kuwait has not really been a combat zone since 2005. It has just taken way to long to change it. Troops in Korea have been, and are in more danger that Kuwait. If someone is "pissy" about not getting one they have too much time on their hand and need to think about requesting a move to Afghanistan

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 12:58 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:58:45 -0400

YES, YES, YES IT REALLY MEAN SOMETHING. IT MEANS THAT YOU ARE IDENTIFIED AS OPERATING UNDER A MAJOR COMMAND OF A COMBAT ELEMENT. THIS IS THE COMMAND OVER YOUR UNIT FOR COMBAT PURPOSES. EVERY MILITARY UNIT HAS ONE. SO THINK ABOUT THIS, HOW WILL YOU BE IDENTIFIED IF YOU WERE CAPTURED BY AN ENEMY FORCE AND ONE OF OUR FRIENDLY FORCES WERE TO COME UP ON YOU THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT MAJOR COMMAND THAT YOU ARE WITH. HOPEFULLY THIS ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION SGT. CHRISTOPHER. (HUAHH)!!!! RETIRED MSG.BATTLES. 14Z

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jul 26 at 2016 1:08 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:08:29 -0400

When it comes to combat or hazardous duty, pride in accomplishment.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 1:37 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:44 -0400

I've never pulled a trigger, but it means a ton. I've done 48 hours awake during ongoing MASCALs and triaged 81 patients over two hours. Chemical Soldiers served as litter bearers. Loggies brought food to exhausted staff between events, as they were too busy getting ready for the next incident. My team unloaded Sea Knights filled with wounded Marines, Iraqis civilians, and Fedayeen, all on the same load, washed in rotor dust with the whining of engines drowned out all sounds. We were grateful when T-rat lasagna finally showed up, went weeks without a (non-baby wipe) shower. I've heard Patriots bang out of the launchers at Camp Udari as we J-listed and moved to bunkers. My wife has cared for green on green when a SPC Hassan Akbar rolled a frag grenade into a tent of 101st Soldiers. And my 19 yo medics just out of HS watched more than their fair share of Soldiers leave this earth in our trauma bay.
Everyone's experience will vary. To me, yes, the patch means something. But what do I know; I'm a REMF. Just my $0.02.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 1:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:46:42 -0400

It means something, if your deployment meant something. I have a hunch that those who say it doesn't mean anything, never lost anyone in battle. I could be wrong, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 3:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:26:47 -0400

The only important thing you should be concerned about is whether you are a good leader. I myself do not have a combat patch but I've been married for 17 years and that should be enough. All joking aside, I do not have one but I have been lucky enough to be a good mentor, role model, and leader for my soldiers; and I do this through the example I set and not how loud I can raise my voice. Yes, a combat patch infers you have done something that perhaps others have not, but at the end of the day, it's not what you can say, or say that you've done, but who you are as a leader and if you can put the troops needs ahead of your own needs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2016 6:47 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:47:44 -0400

I entered Military service in the spring of 1983. Most of our DI's were Vietnam Veterans and wore combat patches. During my 5 yrs on active duty us "non-combat" soldiers became the norm and combat patches became a rarity. It became a mark of distinction for those of us that didn't have one. Thanks to OIF I am now among the ranks of soldiers that sport a combat patch. I understand having one now it "doesn't seem a big deal" but I am personally proud of my service and wear my patch proudly. So much so that I even had it tattooed on my right shoulder with the name of the campaign and dates served. With so many things changing in the Army I am glad to see that the combat patch is still a sign of achievement to the new soldier. Nothing personal against them...I hope they never again have the opportunity to get one...and if they do, I pray for God's grace to protect them while they are earning it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2016 1:11 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:11:41 -0400

I thought Kuwait was still a combat zone, learn something new. I'd like to get one someday, tbh I'd prefer my own NG units patch over others like 82d or 1 ID, etc. Feels like it would mean more to me, but I don't know.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2016 2:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:22:08 -0400

Deployed to iraqi for 15 months, i dont wear mine, heck i dont even wear my CAB, soldiers recognize leadership and experience when they see it with or without patch. Besides your ERB or 2a that a promotion board looks at has all your info. Dont get wrapped up in window dressing.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2016 5:39 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:39:02 -0400

I can understand that your LT's, CPT'S, or any other individuals in your unit without a combat patch would be upset. They declared Kuwait a non combat zone either June or July 2014, roughly about 5 to 6 months after we hit ground in January. In my opinion, I think Kuwait should be declared a combat zone again, which I think will be just a matter of time. As far as the patch goes, it all depends on the individual. All I can say is, whenever you get a patch, wear it with pride.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2016 6:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:19:31 -0400

Every one of mine mean something different. My one from Desert Storm was my first so it holds that place in how I feel about it. The one from my first deployment to Iraq means a lot because of the difficulty of the deployment and the friends that were killed and injured. The patch from my second deployment to Iraq has a great history behind it and it is an honor to share it with all those who wore it before me. The one from Afghanistan is special because it was from my third active deployment area. So I guess the answer to your question would be that patch means something or not to the individual who wears it depending upon the significance the wearer puts upon it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2016 6:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 06:12:22 -0400

You don't get promotion points for it. No one will think differently of you based on it. If you are a jerk with a combat patch you're still a jerk. If you are good at your job and don't have a combat patch you're still going to be known as the Soldier who is good at his job.

Response by 1SG Dwight Laporte made Aug 4 at 2016 3:46 PM

1SG Dwight Laporte — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 15:46:30 -0400

means something to me I earned it in actual combat in Iraq and the correct name is SSI-FWTS. and earned in actual combat zone, not Qatar, Kuwait, Phillipines, drone pilot in US Rear-D South America etc, have seen them issued to personel deployed to some place as augmentees and received some weird looking spec ops assn patch some Bs brigade oe something and did nothing but show up, in non combat zone, oh yea but the army these days is like kids sports oooo everyboby's a winner and everyone gets a trophy FT

Response by MAJ R. Andrew Hoskinson made Nov 6 at 2016 1:36 PM

MAJ R. Andrew Hoskinson — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 13:36:31 -0500

It means you have deployed to a combat theatre of operations. To make any more inferences, you'd need to see other awards and decorations- CIB, CAB, valor awards, campaign medals, etc. Nevertheless, if you've earned it, you should wear it proudly.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Dec 6 at 2016 8:44 AM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:44:02 -0500

Not to brag, I got four different patches but I don't really talk about it until now, but every operations meant something to me, I say as a private in Desert Shied and Desert Storm when I was just a young buck private outside the howitzer digging holes and listening to rounds go down range to destroy the IRG, that day I will never forget when a T72 TANK came in to our position and we direct fired for the first time in combat. I earned my 1AD patch and I will always wear my 1AD combat patch and always talk about how proud I am to be or was apart of 2-1 FA even though it is gone in the history books. Every patch has story, one thing their are a lot of you out that wear your combat patches that don't even know the history of your patch, some day someone will come long and will ask you that question, so be ready, even thou it something to show you better know the story behind it, or you shouldn't be wearing it along with your current unit patch it has a history as well.

STEPHENS'

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 11:23 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:23:09 -0400

SGT shit head. You're proof you are a SGT not an nco.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 11:27 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:27:42 -0400

Anyone who deploys for support of operations overseas for combat operations deserves all they get. Should it be much. No but the deserve all the same. Without Kuwait you wouldn't have supplies, equipment, personal coming in for ur dumb ass. Besides Ur a fucking mechanic. A fobit who does nothing as an operator. So sit down & except those who do out the wire & those who support Ur dumbass.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 11:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:35:00 -0400

I think it means something, you are deployed to a hostile area, but no offense I moved from Kuwait from Afghanistan for the last month of your tour in 2014 when they were playing a numbers game. Kuwait was not that bad, especially if you go Arifjan

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Sep 28 at 2017 11:36 AM

CPO Glenn Moss — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:36:19 -0400

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Patches, as I understand them (what with being Navy and all), have to do with unit recognition. Combat patches are a recognition of a particular soldier's participation in combat operations.

ALL patches, ribbons, and medals are, ultimately, for "show". They are awarded to a service member who meets the criteria required for each one. They document your experiences. (And by "document", I mean they better be in your service record. Remember...it's your responsibility to make sure your service record is accurate.) They tell a story to others of your experiences, which is both a matter of pride and a matter of professionalism.

In the case of a combat patch, they denote a certain level of experience to others who see them.

Response by SPC Leo Van Groll made Sep 28 at 2017 1:10 PM

SPC Leo Van Groll — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:10:05 -0400

This reminds me of the hubub that was raised when guys wore combat patches from Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada) Some guys even had to petition for changes to there records when their CIB wasn't in them.

Response by SSG Kenneth Boyer made Sep 28 at 2017 3:06 PM

SSG Kenneth Boyer — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 15:06:11 -0400

This thread is definitely one of many opinions on "combat patches." Each opinion makes its own valid point and this is something I personally enjoy being a veteran and discussing things with different people from different paths. The diversity of the military is one of the many qualities that is very much enjoyed if you approach it with a open mind set. Now correct if I'm wrong but it seems that this discussion was based off a question that was trying to be beaten around the bush a bit. Basically what my understanding of what the question is is simply; who qualifies for a combat patch and who doesn't? To be honest, can it really be answered? My first deployment to Iraq, I was assigned to cav unit, earned my first combat patch, CAB, and Purple Heart. after returning state side, I reassigned back to my original unit and changed my MOS back to 15P. Shortly after, I learned that this unit and our higher headquarters were deploying again soon. We didn't know who was being moved where and who was coming and going or where we were going. During this time though, I would listen to guys who had deployed before talking about their past deployments and referring to their patches as "real deployments" as if it were some kind of dick swinging contest. Even had someone try and put me down for my patch because to them, it wasn't "the real deal." This guy only deployed as a Fobbit. What do you expect when you are in an airfield operation group? You are not a Combat Arms unit. This irked me for awhile and I had formed an opinion that if you didn't do the real army shit on deployment, you were a no body. Once we were deployed, my battalion was sent to Afghanistan, and our higher headquarters went to Kuwait and Qatar. The mission we had was simple but it required a lot of work. I was sent to Kuwait for a few days and really saw what those guys were doing. They were in charge of every single airfield owned by Central Command and Army Central Command through the entire theater. Therefore we had CAB (Combat Aviation Brigades) units who supported air assault missions, special forces, Dust Off medevac units, etc. who needed us running those airfields. It completely changed my definition of what it means to earn a combat patch. Because of who our higher ups answered to, we were authorized three different patches for that deployment. CENTCOM, ARCENT, and my battalion also received USFORA. Now I never changed my patches over from my first deployment because of what we went through and what we did and the pride I had from the people I served with but I I did agree at that movement that everyone who deployed to somewhere in the Central Command area had a mission to support the ongoing combat operations in the region. The picture that is painted is much bigger than what we can actually see and I feel that wether if deployed to Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Qatar, etc. You should be authorized a patch for former wartime service because that's what you are providing and supporting in a very chaotic region. Just sharing my experiences and my opinion.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 4:37 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:37:04 -0400

Every one has opinions about this but is really important is the legal status you get from a "combat" deployment. Combat awards cannot be awarded in non-combat zones and hazardous duty/hostile fire is not authorized. Additionally, there are some VA benefits that you won't be eligible for and the tour code will be different on your SRB. Combat tours also are weighed in promotion and retention boards as well as reserve or Guard retirement age eligibility. So, there are some tangible differences you should be aware of but nothing to be ashamed of.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Sep 28 at 2017 5:44 PM

TSgt Marco McDowell — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:44:15 -0400

I ripped a hole in my trousers during a mortar attack. I patched it.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Sep 28 at 2017 6:39 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:39:12 -0400

Its a designation of experience.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Sep 29 at 2017 8:17 AM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:17:33 -0400

The history behind each and every patch has a true meaning and it don't even have to be combat patches. Soldiers these days don't even know what they are wearing on their uniform and could care or less. Back to the patch. I will admit I never found out what the true meaning of my 1 AD or my other 3 combat patchs meant until I came back from combat but I will tell you that every soldier I fought with can describe that patch to the tee. Lots of soldiers need to learn unit history. I'm done!

Response by COL Brian Shea made Sep 29 at 2017 12:10 PM

COL Brian Shea — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:10:59 -0400

Lots of good comments on this issue. Personally I am authorized to wear 3 such patches, two of which were earned while I carried a weapon and wore IBA every day. The other one being for a Kuwait deployment where I only did so when we went to the range. Each of them mean something to me, mainly for the people and shared experiences in each instance. I would have those memories even if I were not authorized to wear anything as a result. It seems that, like society in general these days, the Army is looking for ways to divide rather than unite Soldiers. Hence the CAB to distinguish those that traded bullets (or in some cases heard something go bang in the distance) from those that "just" have a "combat patch". Any more I am leaning towards the USMC tradition of not wearing a patch. It makes one create first (and subsequent) impression(s) of fellow sevicemembers on how they perform rather than what they wear. IMHO, the lack of a "combat patch" does not make a Soldier any less capable, nor does the presence make a given Soldier any more capable. That was then, this is now.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Sep 29 at 2017 2:15 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:15:53 -0400

Had an old Army Sgt who had served in 'Nam with the 101st, the 82nd, & the 173rd... he used to alternate... we had a running bet on which he'd wear the next day.

Respect... flaunt it baby!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Sep 29 at 2017 2:40 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:40:58 -0400

There is a history with all of these unit patches and each of them were involved in battles and wars. If you are a member of any of these units you share the history whether you were involved or not. Be proud of the lineage you share.

Response by MSG David Johnson made Dec 11 at 2017 8:42 PM

MSG David Johnson — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:42:06 -0500

It depends on your attitude I suppose, I was very proud of my patch when I was authorized it. When I got to my next unit after my deployment (Desert Storm), the younger troops looked at me as having more real experience.
But there are some who have a patch and look down on others who do not have one.
So there a couple different thoughts about them.
When I deployed to OIF II in 2004/05 we deployed to Kuwait, we were set to pull security at the TDC near Camp Doha for a year. I didn't consider that a combat deployment. But then we started hauling fuel up into Iraq, then moved up into Camp Cedar II for the next 9 months. That made it better for the rest of the troops to get their patches.
A couple of my troops found my 3AD patch in Desert Cammo and bought 2 of them for me, they were proud of the fact they had a platoon sergeant who was a previous combat leader. I felt honored by this.
Do your job, if you get the chance to get into Iraq for 30 days or more, you should be authorized a patch for being in the zone.

Response by SSG Max Goodman made Dec 13 at 2017 11:09 AM

SSG Max Goodman — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:09:12 -0500

My only complaint is that they cost alot of money for the blues

Response by SSG Max Goodman made Dec 13 at 2017 11:13 AM

SSG Max Goodman — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:13:31 -0500

I have deployed 4 times to a combat area with different units so I can wear numerous patches

Response by SPC Paul Zastrow made Dec 21 at 2017 11:51 AM

SPC Paul Zastrow — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:51:52 -0500

It means you did something. Every patch,award, ribbon, rank or certificate the service has to offer is earned through blood, sweat and tears. While there are some who get combat patches for being in the rear with the gear, they still did that job while on hostile ground. So anyone who questions a combat patch and wonders if it’s just for show, has never faced long days and sleepless nights in the enemy’s back yard!

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 21 at 2017 12:04 PM

SPC David Willis — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:04:07 -0500

I don't think I really understood how much weight a combat patch had until I left active duty and did a couple years in the guard where no one has one. Its almost instant leadership (as long as your not a total turd) because simply leaving the wire everyday gives you a wealth of experience that other soldier just don't have no matter how squared away they are.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Dec 21 at 2017 12:15 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:15:45 -0500

I think they still have meaning and provide a link to a persons service and a source of Esprit de corps. I know I am happy to have earned the ones I have, as a Soldier they led to acceptance by the units we supported and as a veteran they have been great conversation starters.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Dec 21 at 2017 12:24 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:24:19 -0500

It means you are a battle tested soldier, that is a lot. When I talk to someone I usually look at that right shoulder first. Five rows of ribbons don't mean a lot when the highest award is perfect attendance

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Dec 24 at 2017 11:06 AM

PVT Raymond Lopez — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 11:06:59 -0500

They honor the friends who did not get to come home.

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Jan 7 at 2018 1:08 PM

SGT Mathew Husen — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:08:34 -0500

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2018 1:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:08:53 -0500

The four i have mean a great deal to me. Dont have one and want one...deploy. For everyone that deployed it has different meanings. It could be the train up and the friends you deployed with. It could signify you were in combat or a hostile environment.

Response by SSG Mark Tsunokai made Jan 7 at 2018 1:19 PM

SSG Mark Tsunokai — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:19:13 -0500

To me it does matter. I have three deployments to The Middle East. Kuwait 2001-2002, Baghdad, Iraq 2005 -2006, and Kuwait again in 2007-2008. Aside from my NCOER's and all other relevant information to my competence of being an 11B30 and 74D30 NCO, this is something they look for on your "right" shoulder. They being your BN CDR and Higher. Had a fellow 74D30 CBRN NCO, become very nervous when I found out I had heard about a position as a 74D30 CBRN. Our skill set were identical, except for one thing. Care to take a guess? My Deputy Commander stated that if I were to pursue this position, who do you think would get it? Just my observations and thoughts.

Response by SFC James Collazo made Jan 7 at 2018 1:39 PM

SFC James Collazo — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:39:16 -0500

I wish more SMs realized that patches and insignias are little more than "merit badges" in the Boy Scouts. They cost no more than $2-3, but yet we spend so much time worried about getting them. We waste unit budgets in sending people to "career progression" courses, only to end up losing them once they graduate. We can't keep the talent we have because we sell them off for a silly piece of cloth. I get the symbolism, but we need to stop taking it so literally. There are plenty of good leaders with less badges, and really toxic or unprofessional leaders with many. I never understood why the Army says "one fight, one team," and then promotes this toxic individualism at the same time.

SFC Mikolajczyk

Response by SFC James Collazo made Jan 7 at 2018 1:39 PM

SFC James Collazo — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:39:41 -0500

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2018 10:10 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 22:10:25 -0500

First of all, a deployment to Kuwait does mean something. One is away from their family for a significant amount of time and serving the interest of the United States. It has been decided that Kuwait no longer rated a combat patch, but that does not mean previous deployments to this zone where not somewhat risky to hostile fire. Seems to me that the Army takes great care to decide which location should rate a combat patch or not. Hopefully Iraq and Afghanistan will no longer require a combat patch. Second, any combat patch is well earned. It is good news of a Soldier comes home alive, after a job well done, and does not require the award of a CIB, CAB, or much less, a purple heart.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2018 3:40 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 03:40:19 -0500

To me its just a patch I think if you deploy in any operation that is for your country and keeps your from your family you should get a patch. I see alot of soldiers now that have deployed to many training missions and have nothing to show for it but an AAM. Atlantic resolve mainly right now. So many people value their combat patches so much but if you really saw combat or if your life was really in danger you would have a CIB or a CAB to show for it. Men and women that have seen real combat wear these along with their patch.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2018 6:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 06:51:30 -0500

It depends on how you earned your combat patch. I know to me mine means something.

Response by CSM William Payne made Jan 8 at 2018 12:03 PM

CSM William Payne — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:03:55 -0500

I can tell you from many years of experience in the training arena that once trainees and new Soldiers understand what the patch means, they are more likely to listen and respect a trainer that has been there, done that and has a combat patch.

It speaks of real world experience and when that trainer tells you that this may save your life someday, it actually has weight behind it. It's not something your trainer learned by learning the POI or by reading it in some Army training manual or FM.

Believe me it does make a difference.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Jan 10 at 2018 8:07 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:07:46 -0500

I guess the Army's changed since I was in, ('69-'71). Those of us were, and still are proud of the "right sleeve" patch we earned in Vietnam. This reminds me of another discussion elsewhere in this forum where soldiers claimed not to care about their CIB's. My question is, just what is it soldiers actually do care about these days?

Response by SPC Matt Dolan made Jan 28 at 2018 8:34 PM

SPC Matt Dolan — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:34:31 -0500

For those of us who have been, no explanation is necessary. For those of you who haven't, no explanation is possible.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2018 8:49 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:49:49 -0500

I can say that not having a combat patch does not effect promotion but when you are in a leadership position such as a First Sergeant. Your soldiers do look at you and question weather you have knowledge to lead to battle. I have volunteered to go on two separate missions but Uncle Sam kept me state side both times.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 28 at 2018 9:53 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:53:40 -0500

that patch means you are part of a team. If that means nothing it means you did nothing.

Response by SPC Mike Lake made Feb 4 at 2018 5:44 PM

SPC Mike Lake — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:44:57 -0500

It means something it's not just a patch it's unit pride u weather proudly by seving in combat with your brothers

Response by SSgt Brett Ontiveros made Feb 11 at 2018 12:19 AM

SSgt Brett Ontiveros — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:19:10 -0500

These days...Just for show like most medals and awards.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Feb 22 at 2018 10:07 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:07:31 -0500

What determines you eligibility for a SSI-FWTS is not if you were in combat, got combat pay or imminent danger pay or even if you got a Purple Heart. What determines it is AR 670-1 - the uniform regulation. It seems to me if you got a campaign medal (ie. Iraq, Afghanistan, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal) you should get a SSI-FWTS. I think the criteria should be overseas service in direct support of combat operation - even if you were never shot at. Remember that the term "Combat Patch" is a slang term and not an official name.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Feb 22 at 2018 11:27 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:27:49 -0500

It means something to me. I really could give a shit what anyone else thinks. We are members of an organization that specializes in team oriented ground combat, so everything connected to it is valued. So there are a number of different pieces of recognition (awards, decorations, badges, etc) that recognize that and encourage people to engage in ground combat, because it is valued in the organization.

Response by CPT Jerry Lucas made Feb 26 at 2018 6:31 PM

CPT Jerry Lucas — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:31:19 -0500

When i entered the Army in 1975, it meant the person wearing it was a Vietnam veteran and he had experience we could call on when needed. There were very few that ranked below SSG. almost every NCO I knew was a combat veteran. They knew shit from shinola. As the years went by, more and more patch holders retired and fewer senior NCO's had that experience. When I deployed to Desert Shield/Storm in 1990 none of the NCO's or commissioned officers in my unit had earned a combat patch. When I deployed to Bosnia in 1995, those of us with a combat patch were looked upon to step up and mentor the newbies, including our commander, a major.

Response by SSgt David Marks made Feb 28 at 2018 1:28 PM

SSgt David Marks — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:28:25 -0500

Now I wasn't Army or Marine, but to me every combat patch does have meaning. If anything it makes you a part of the distinguished group of soldiers. For instance the green patch with the red #1. That patch has a long history that from what I understand goes all the way back to WW1, many soldiers served with honor wearing that patch. Every patch has a purpose they all have a history or they are creating a honorable history.

Response by Cpl Vic Eizenga made Mar 1 at 2018 3:59 PM

Cpl Vic Eizenga — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:59:01 -0500

I do not think I saw any comments from Marines in the Old Corps after WWII we were not aloud to wear any unit designation. Being one Corps the Marine Corps. they are now used for after service not during. One unit, One Corps In the four years I was active ( once a Marine always a Marine) 1964 - 1968 I was in all 3 active Marine Corps Divisions. Two got deployed to Vietnam one was State side but we did Med. cruises and we went to Gitmo 4 1/2 months 24 on 24 off the fence line. I have pride in all three unit I was with Fox 2/7 1st and 3rd Marine Divisions August 1964 - January 1966. Hotel 2/1 3rd Marine Division January 1966 - June 1966 and last but no least Alpha 1/2 2nd Marine Division. Taking Boots and Sea School Marines getting them ready for an Infantry deployment.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Mar 1 at 2018 6:35 PM

LTC Charles Patchin — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:35:46 -0500

I wear the 173d Airborne Brigade (SEP) combat patch. I reenlisted to go to it and spent nearly three years in it as an arty recon sgt/forward observer. My time was on line with the Infantry and LRRP. There are many scars I obtained in this line of employment and a few lines on my rack showing fun times but not the brave men I served with. You bet your sweet ass it means something to me.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 7:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:35:28 -0500

"True"

Response by SGT Rikard Bellerue made Mar 3 at 2018 11:50 PM

SGT Rikard Bellerue — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:50:53 -0500

It's just a patch...and it means something to those who earn it. Sorry to be brusque.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2018 5:18 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 05:18:33 -0500

US Air Force doesn't care less at all.

Response by 1SG Randy Book made Mar 11 at 2018 8:42 PM

1SG Randy Book — Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:42:39 -0400

As as I am an "old soldier" I don't have a clue what all the acronyms refer to, my thought is, if you served with or supported a major unit who served in combat, wear the unit patch on your right shoulder with pride.

Response by SPC Kerry Cooper made Mar 27 at 2018 3:53 PM

SPC Kerry Cooper — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:53:21 -0400

It's been over forty years since my deployment to Vietnam. I wear a hat with my Division Patch on it because I'm proud of my combat service. My time in the 23rd / Americal Division and the 196th LIB are important life experiences.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 27 at 2018 4:25 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:25:10 -0400

They mean you personally were deployed to a combat zone and you performed your duties there. I was in a Field Force Artillery unit 105 towed unit, they went TDY to 173rd Airborne and never came back. Another Battery was with 1st Infantry Div. People arrived served and went home there.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 27 at 2018 5:52 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:52:06 -0400

To me, wearing the combat patch of the three units I served in and lost people in is damn important- it serves as a reminder of them, and when you are training NFG's- it helps to remind them that you should know your stuff and more importantly you are a survivor.

Response by PO2 Douglas Starr made Mar 29 at 2018 12:57 PM

PO2 Douglas Starr — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 12:57:01 -0400

it means that you were there and that you served our country

Response by SFC Jim Garber made Apr 4 at 2018 10:44 AM

SFC Jim Garber — Wed, 04 Apr 2018 10:44:44 -0400

It means you deployed to a combat zone as defined by the president, and stood up for your country.

Response by SSG Charles Scudder made Apr 12 at 2018 11:55 AM

SSG Charles Scudder — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:55:14 -0400

Before the Iraq war I was in the Gulf war. After many years in the Army I was one of the rare ones with a combat patch. When I went to Iraq and this time we received our patch I still maintained my Gulf War patch. It was home to me to wear it. Our unit most certainly deserved to wear the patch we were presented.
The patch means to me the honor of serving next to those who stood next to me. We all sacrificed our bodies, blood, tears, families and yes for some of us our soul. That is what that patch on my right shoulder means to me.

Retired, USA

Response by SPC Jams Richardson made May 6 at 2018 11:34 AM

SPC Jams Richardson — Sun, 06 May 2018 11:34:11 -0400

I have six

Response by SgtMaj Kenneth Dillon made May 6 at 2018 11:41 PM

SgtMaj Kenneth Dillon — Sun, 06 May 2018 23:41:49 -0400

Another good thing about being a Marine --no patches to deal with!

Response by MAJ Bill Riddle made May 7 at 2018 2:45 AM

MAJ Bill Riddle — Mon, 07 May 2018 02:45:38 -0400

Two tours in Vietnam. Two different patches, I served with great people both times. Firvthe rest of my career I had some fatigues with one patch, some with the other. Honoring and remembering both units, and comrades who didn't make it home.

Response by SGT Ralph Hanson made May 7 at 2018 10:51 AM

SGT Ralph Hanson — Mon, 07 May 2018 10:51:37 -0400

I didn't realize Kuwait was ever considered a combat zone, guess chain of command left that part out of our briefing. Was there after 9-11, focus was on AFG and unless you deployed there, you were not wearing a Right Shoulder Patch that I was aware. fortunately I was sent Down Range on numerous occasions so earned it.

Response by PFC Elijah Rose made May 9 at 2018 12:42 AM

PFC Elijah Rose — Wed, 09 May 2018 00:42:55 -0400

They shouldn't mean anything. But they're often used as a cure all when a soldier is losing an argument. If you ask me we should do away with all distinguishing decor.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Jun 19 at 2018 8:05 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:05:38 -0400

SGT Cristopher Knapton, I am confused because this patch has shut history the you as a NCO shut had knowing that. The reality is each has their history from WWII to present. Read there history about some off this patch, they are part of our military history.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 19 at 2018 8:22 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:22:35 -0400

If you don't know, then apparently you don't need one.

Response by SSG Robbie Douglas made Jul 6 at 2018 11:20 AM

SSG Robbie Douglas — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 11:20:56 -0400

We referred them as draft dodgers. We had men and women that when our certain brigade was being deployed they would run like crazy to get in a unit that wasn't deploying. I been there done that and yes I got my patch and wore it very proudly. It shows the ones that were in the Army that you did what your country asked of you. I'm retired now and in my bike association they want us to wear our combat patch on our vest. I do and will till the day I pass wear it with pride. You want one then earn one. Don't say because you haven't got one that we can't wear ours. We earned it.

Response by SSG James James made Jul 18 at 2018 11:39 PM

SSG James James — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:39:15 -0400

LOL, Kuwait is a fucking joke

Response by SFC James Welch made Sep 9 at 2018 10:34 PM

SFC James Welch — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 22:34:46 -0400

I wore mine with pride. It tells everyone instantly that you were in Combat and who with. I can’t believe you no longer wear them them.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2018 1:31 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 01:31:28 -0400

I means you did your part you have experienced what many troops hope to and seen things maybe some troops hope to never see I try to attach to deployments every chance I get so be proud of it

Response by PFC Howard Bryant Blackshear made Sep 19 at 2018 9:28 PM

PFC Howard Bryant Blackshear — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:28:59 -0400

Cpl Kiernan smith, you must be 11charlie infantry Mortars?????, Thanks for Serving.

Response by SSG Joseph VanDyck made Dec 17 at 2018 6:50 PM

SSG Joseph VanDyck — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:50:26 -0500

Kuwait wasn't reclassed from combat zone to non combat zone to keep patches from the right shoulder. It was reclassed to save money ie no combat zone tax exclusion etc. Now as for a combat patch for Kuwait; getting one for deployment to Kuwait is total horse crap.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2018 8:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:28:18 -0500

The value comes down to the individual soldier. Yes it can signify combat, but for soldiers like me who served in a non-combat but designated combat zone it reminds of the unit I served under, the mentors I had, and the experience and opportunities it opened for me. It is also a symbol of pride to know the history of the unit whose patch I wear and I now in a small way play a part in that history.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2018 10:51 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:51:20 -0500

It should really mean something

Response by SGT Tony Spencer made Dec 18 at 2018 3:03 PM

SGT Tony Spencer — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:03:19 -0500

The soldiers that havent been deployed yet, and therefore havent earned one yet are usually the ones that say its "just a patch". Those that have earned one, like myself, they hold many memories. Some good, some bad. So for myself yes it meant something, i see the brothers and sisters that werent able to take that ride back home with us at the end. I see alot if sweat, blood and sometimes tears, in that patch. Different strokes for different folks, but yes, to ne it definitely means something! A "Slick Sleave" will never understand the good and bad we went thru to earn that damn patch. The brotherhood, when ya had to count on someone to cover ya while ya ran across tbe street while they were firing. The high fives after mission, when ya felt great that it was such a successful day and we all came back. The stress and sorrow that ya felt as ya Medevaced your buddie out, hoping those werent the last words you could say to him. The excitement intention in butterflies you have in your stomach when you get home and see your significant other that you haven't seen in 6 months to a year. A slick sleeve has not been through any of that so as they say it's just a patch but to us that have been there done that we see a lot of stuff in that patch I know I do anyways

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Dec 18 at 2018 3:07 PM

CPT Jeff Robinette — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:07:07 -0500

That Combat Patch means something!
It means the the wearer served in time of war. They risked their life for the greater good of our nation. Yes your service means something.

Response by SFC Charlie Broadus II made Dec 18 at 2018 5:47 PM

SFC Charlie Broadus II — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:47:12 -0500

It could or could not mean something it depends on the person wearing it. It is something earned one way or another, nothing to cry about if you don't have one

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2018 9:25 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:25:06 -0500

If you never had to dive to the powder dirt, to take cover from incoming rockets, you do not deserve to wear the patch. If you never had to apply a tourniquet or dressing to a bleeding wound, inflicted by the enemy, you do not deserve to wear the patch. If you have never had to stand and watch a KIA carried up the ramp of a plane, to be transported home, you don’t deserve the patch. If you know at an moment, with any step, it may be your last, you don’t deserve the patch. And, if you make it home, and you dwell on the fact that you made it, when others you knew did not, and you carry that guilt daily, you sure F’n don’t deserve to wear the patch!

Response by Sgt Andrew Pouliot made Dec 18 at 2018 9:49 PM

Sgt Andrew Pouliot — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:49:31 -0500

Combat patches? Marine Corps doesn't have that problem.

Response by CPL Robert Short made Dec 19 at 2018 4:09 AM

CPL Robert Short — Wed, 19 Dec 2018 04:09:46 -0500

It means you did more than those without them.

Obviously the CIB means more but that doesn't mean the patch is worthless.

Response by SFC Dennis O'Neal made Jan 15 at 2019 2:06 AM

SFC Dennis O'Neal — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 02:06:53 -0500

In 1975 if you seen a big red one, YES, that meant something to those that cared or knew what it meant.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Feb 17 at 2019 10:16 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 22:16:43 -0500

Keep in mind that the term "Combat Patch" is just a common nickname for what is officially known as the Should Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service (SSI-FWTS). Combat participation and/or service in a combat zone is not required to get a SSI-FWTS.

What the SSI-FWTS does mean is that the individual wearing it was deployed to a theater of operations during a time of armed conflict and serves to distinguish those who have "been there and done that" from shall we say "lesser mortals".

Like many things in life the SSI-FWTS is what it is and is not what it is not. What it means is entirely up to you to decide.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2019 11:32 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 23:32:28 -0400

It has meaning, which is primarily to the wearer, IMO.
There have been plenty of complaining about SNCOs lacking one, too. If the lack of one is based solely on going were one is assigned, I see no issue. If it's because of a deliberate effort to avoid deployment, it speaks to character, again, IMO.
I had the option to wear one after a 2002 TDY trip to Kuwait. I never put it on, although authorized, but proudly wore the 1MARDIV SSI FWTS I earned in 2003. A TDY trip to Kuwait, although in support of OEF, didn't met my personal standard for what a SSI FWTS means to me.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 24 at 2019 5:38 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 05:38:21 -0400

No they are not for show. The individual should take pride in their service, if they say it is just for show there role in the fight has not been explained to them. It is contingent upon leaders to equate the individuals role as it relates to what is happening on the ground in the fight. Thank you for your service.

Response by SGT Peter Gallagher made Mar 26 at 2019 10:35 PM

SGT Peter Gallagher — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:35:37 -0400

If you're not in a combat zone, the only thing that matters is a high PT score.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Mar 27 at 2019 1:36 AM

Cpl Rc Layne — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:36:02 -0400

The army is too complicated. Give me my EGA, that's good enough.

Response by SGT Nathan Vitartas made Mar 27 at 2019 10:58 AM

SGT Nathan Vitartas — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 10:58:21 -0400

It all depends on you. When I got to Bragg I was the only one in my squad without a AA patch and it was something all the new guys wanted. When I got my first patch I was proud to become part of the 164 club(82nd patch on both shoulders). It shows experience and to know soldiers seeing the combat patch they see more credibility thos person knows what they are doing likely from experience not from reading manuals.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2019 1:59 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:59:52 -0400

It means you deployed to a combat zone. It doesn't mean you're a combat veteran or that you did your job well. Just do the job and do it well. That says something to people who matter.

Response by SGT Robert Hawks made Mar 27 at 2019 2:51 PM

SGT Robert Hawks — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:51:09 -0400

It is just a patch, however if you have a combat patch which signifies that you where in a combat zone and your and E6 looking to be selected for E7 will then it may play a part in the selection process. You can have an excellent record, drill sergeant, recruiter, master gunner, many awards and achievements. Then so can your competition the only thing that separates you is they have combat zone experience and you don’t. That can be a discriminator, even though you have no control of your assignments in most cases. So to answer your question it is just a patch and possibly more.

Response by SGT Tony Spencer made Mar 27 at 2019 3:19 PM

SGT Tony Spencer — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:19:31 -0400

At the end of the day does it really change or do anything for ya? Im a combat veteran of Iraq, twice 04-05, 07-08. There were some days, back at home, when I put my ACU's on after PT and just said "ah screw it for today", and id go slick sleeve for tbe2 day. On the days I was slick sleeve they were just as any other. No bettet no worse. Soldiers still called me SGT and stood at parade rest when called for, i still had to perform my daily duties , and I still trained and led Soldiers in the same way I would have had I had my patch on. So what im saying i guess is when ya do have one its more of a matter of pride, IMO, to wear one amd show it off. There is the exception, when ya have the 20 year E5 that is still a slick sleeve . But behind closed doors they are usually not respected as much by the soldiers, and still usually not respected even with a combat patch if they do have one as soldiers will always have tbeir own reasons as to why hes been in for that long and is still an E5. So once again, I think wearing it is a matter of pride. Gotta say I was always proud to stand next to an E6 or higher that hasn't earned one yet while u had my combat patch and cab badge on,

Response by SFC Michael Arabian made Mar 27 at 2019 4:57 PM

SFC Michael Arabian — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:57:37 -0400

If you look at my records I have three combat patches, one from Desert Storm with 3/15 Infantry, 24th ID Fort Stewart Ga. one from Iraq with 3/321 Field Artillery 18th FB Fort Bragg NC, and the the last one with 2BCT 101 st Fort Campbell Ky. My MOS was 94B/92G Food Service. I went in Support of my units and did what was asked of me to the best of my abilities. Sometimes it’s was doing my MOS, other times not so much. I am proud to have served with these unit and worn these patches to honor them and didn’t seek attention for my self

Response by Sgt Daniel J. Daly made Mar 27 at 2019 6:31 PM

Sgt Daniel J. Daly — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:31:17 -0400

I’am A Marine and always believed that the shoulder insignia(patch) were Divisional Coat of Arms not Combat patches. I thought you got the right to wear it just by being a member of that division.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Mar 27 at 2019 7:55 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:55:51 -0400

The combat patch is for those that serve in combat zones. Kuwait, Korea (except on the DMZ) and many other places don't rate it either. It's just the way it is. I never heard any complaints about it. 65 to 85. No participation trophies allowed for non participants.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2019 9:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 21:19:54 -0400

I can’t roll my eyes any harder at this. To those of us who have one it means something. To those who don’t have one oh well.

Response by CPL Chris Palmberg made Mar 27 at 2019 11:42 PM

CPL Chris Palmberg — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 23:42:23 -0400

I view the dress uniform as a military CV. The combat patch, taken out of context, can be very misleading. Reserve units that have ROWPU or Laundry missions, for example, aren't as exposed as, say, the cav scouts or sappers they were attached to on my FOB in Western Ninewah, but their right sleeves hold the same emblem. When we were in OIF 3, or became difficult to discern the credibility of officers, for example, because the accoutrements of a QM company PL from division support wore the same uniform, except for name tapes, as the battalion surgeon and the infantry company XO. Then there's the issue with replacements. We had a stick show up, spend 3 days on the FOB, then fly to Kuwait for washrack duty for 6 weeks. When they got back to the company AO, we did customs on our CONEX for a week, then sat around for a few days before DEROS. They hit the 60 day mark in theater, with only 2 weeks in country, and zero days operational. One kid got his orders to PV2 after we got home. But when they pinned his mosquito wings, he already had matching patches on his shoulder.
In summary, right shoulder checks are good for spotting career academics, but to know about someone's experience, take in the entire fruit salad.

Response by CPT William Jones made Mar 28 at 2019 2:15 AM

CPT William Jones — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 02:15:44 -0400

The unit patch worn on the left sleeve mean that person served in that unit in an area designated as a hostile fire zone during a designated time. That is all it means. Not that they did or did not see any sort of enemy activity. That sort of information is worm in the area that awards and medal are worn.

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Mar 28 at 2019 7:31 AM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:31:40 -0400

It does mean something. Back when I earned mine Kuwait was a country invaded by a dictator, we kick Saddam’s forces out of Kuwait, that’s why I have one! Today I imagine that nation allied with us is primarily a staging area. It’s like the difference between a Korean War vet(1950-53) and those who were stationed in Korea from the cease fire till now, even though all saw hostilities, only those in the original conflict are authorized to wear any Korean conflict issue. If you don’t have one yet, getting one is not fun! I’d rather go back to 1990 when we only trained for combat and the only man on my entire post that had a combat patch was my BN CSM, one of the last Vietnam vets still on duty at the time!

Response by SPC Jeffrey Stone made Mar 28 at 2019 7:00 PM

SPC Jeffrey Stone — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 19:00:07 -0400

Why should Kuwait be considered a combat zone? It has it been a combat zone since 1991.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 28 at 2019 7:16 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 19:16:55 -0400

It's a shame I did not get a combat patch for Bahrain.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Mar 28 at 2019 7:33 PM

PVT Mark Zehner — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 19:33:52 -0400

I became a police officer after my time in the Army and everyone wanted a letter from The Law Enforcement Hall of Fame. The ones that wanted it the most did the least. If you do a job just for the attaboys you need to find another job

Response by SSG Paul Mulvany made Mar 28 at 2019 9:11 PM

SSG Paul Mulvany — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:11:12 -0400

I remember the mad dash to get to Grenada to get your “ticket punched”. We wanted to go to get out of Kansas! You know what you’ve done and what you deserve, even when it’s not recognized.

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made Apr 5 at 2019 11:40 AM

SSgt Robert Van Buhler III — Fri, 05 Apr 2019 11:40:04 -0400

Most patches that are unit related seem to be good to wear when you are in that unit. . If you serve in a combat zone, you deserve the pay and benefits for being there. If you're not in the zone, it's just like another assignment. Some folks uniforms look like the stickers on the suitcase of a traveler. Sporting a Ranger tab, Airborne or CIB that you didn't earn could get your own behind kicked by those who earned them.

Response by SGT Christopher Heggs made May 30 at 2019 10:32 AM

SGT Christopher Heggs — Thu, 30 May 2019 10:32:06 -0400

It means everything. It shows you were in combat or in support of a combat unit.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made May 30 at 2019 11:10 AM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Thu, 30 May 2019 11:10:55 -0400

Cave-eat, my knowledge on this stuff is 20 years old and maybe be 20 years out of date.

I suppose now it is just an Overseas duty station. The real issue is how your deployment is looked at as far being in support of "combat operations" . Now the real life future difference what that means IIRC , is whether or not you will receive a 5 point veterans preference or a 15 point veterans preference, if you apply for any future federal jobs.. Usually though even with just a 5 you rise to the top of hiring lists. 15 pts is for combat vets, disabled combat vets and such. Personally I don't think you will or should rate the 15 unless you become permanently disabled/injured over there, which i hope doesn't occur. As I said though 5 is just fine. The Patch issue? LOL You wont be in the military forever , and people know themselves whether or not such is deserve or not. The Patch is authorized for 30 days in a combat zone or by orders if the service in the combat zone or operation was shorter than 30 days. If you get paper, wear it, if you don't, don't wear it, just like any other "award"

Response by PO2 Michael Galey made May 31 at 2019 12:59 AM

PO2 Michael Galey — Fri, 31 May 2019 00:59:43 -0400

SGT you have to be in a combat zone to wear the patch of your unit (4th ID, 82ND ABN, 2 AD, etc. etc on the ACU right sleeve and when worn, now in a pin on the right breast pocket of the Blues. Yes they are meaningful it ID's the warrior as a Combat Veteran.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2019 1:41 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 01:41:33 -0400

Its just a patch that has as much or little meaning as you give it. If you are proud of the job you did, wear it with pride if authorized or vice versa. Nothing that says you have to wear it afterwards. Folks that get hung up on the "worthiness" of a patch or badge dont have much else to offer in my opinion.

Response by MSgt Robert Brady made Jun 4 at 2019 7:34 PM

MSgt Robert Brady — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:34:25 -0400

Obviously you never served in Combat. Wearing a Combat Patch is an honor bestowed on those who have gone into combat or are serving in a unit that is expected to see combat at some time. It also shows comraderie among the troops from other units. These are badges of honor. Not just some stupid Patch.

Response by PO1 Richard Nyberg made Jun 9 at 2019 9:02 PM

PO1 Richard Nyberg — Sun, 09 Jun 2019 21:02:10 -0400

I was proud to wear my combat patch from Vietnam and I stood out from the others when In was stationed in Germany that hadnt been there yet.

Response by MAJ Karen Wall made Jul 23 at 2019 11:06 AM

MAJ Karen Wall — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:06:56 -0400

I have a list of illnesses, including PTSD, and the memories of SCUDS and chemicals to convince me that yes, it means a whole lot to me.

Response by CPT Daniel Cox made Aug 12 at 2019 9:16 PM

CPT Daniel Cox — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:16:49 -0400

This is something that was not part of the Army for the 14 years I was in, from the withdrawal from Vietnam to right before Gulf I. During my time, soldiers wore their current unit patch (TRADOC, FORSCOM, or a Division or separate Brigade/Battalion (I had 7th ID twice, 2nd ID, and TRADOC)) on one shoulder and if you were in a combat area (Vietnam, Panama as part of the Noriega arrest, or Grenada during the medical student rescue) you wore the unit patch from that action on the other. What exactly is the combat badge and wear is it worn?

Response by PO2 Michael Galey made Mar 8 at 2020 11:41 PM

PO2 Michael Galey — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 23:41:43 -0400

I have one MACV patch I earned in the Navy as a Machinist on a River Patrol Boat Mobile Base 1. When discharged I continued my military career in the National Guard in Maryland first then Washington State. When I first entered the Guard the Company 1st SGT. said upon review of my records I'm allowed to wear the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Patch as it was a multi-service command (Air Force, Marine,Army and Navy). that patch means a hell of lot to me as I was 19 and scared out of my wits during my first rocket attack and from then on I was and still am hyper vigilant. Not many of my peers went and many protested the war I endured many sneers and outright disgusting remarks when I returned so now I wear my Vietnam Veteran hat and appreciate the welcome from strangers and other Vets too. The simple answer is yes, SGT, it means an American answered the call of Duty, Honor and Country. Fair Winds my friend.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Mar 12 at 2020 10:42 AM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 10:42:36 -0400

In other branches patches mean something. The Marine Corp has patches but we don't wear them because the Eagle Globe and Anchor is our badge We are all warriors from the Commandant down to the Pvt. So we are all equal in that respect. Their have been many times in our history when Cooks, clerks and every MOS were used as infantry. Korea Chosin Reservoir Thanksgiving 1950 is a good example of that. I was 18 when I got out Bootcamp and ITR. I was just as Proud of that uniform as the commandant. Civilians respected us. especially the girls. Our uniforms were tailored to fit we didn't look like a sack of s---. The boots in the army should be trying to bring themselves up to the veterans level in the unit instead of dragging them down to the boots level so they don't feel bad.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2020 11:43 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 11:43:26 -0400

It means something. It means that in some capacity you were present for the great show, or as the British used to say ... "You saw the elephant".
That being said, it is not "the end all and be all" that some would make it out.

Response by PO1 Paula Toups made Aug 11 at 2020 4:54 AM

PO1 Paula Toups — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 04:54:51 -0400

These patches symbolize what we have earned going to war to defend our country and stop terror in this world. We take pride in our patches . Would you rather we stop being the world police? Or going back to retire what we have damaged? We have floating hospitals for God sake! There is a lot that we do in this world .

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Sep 26 at 2021 6:10 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 18:10:23 -0400

RP is heavy with people worried about their pins, badges, patches, medals and distinctive headgear.
What they are for no longer matters