Could the federal government ever recall veterans who no longer have an obligation in the IRR?

2019-05-07T13:49:21-04:00

Lets say there's a fictional doomsday scenario in which the US is being invaded. The Draft has already been brought back, but it's not enough. Could the law be changed to forcibly call back veterans who have already met their seven year obligation? Say everyone under the age of 45 or something like that? Would it take an act of congress or could executive authority alone be enough to do something like that? Silly question I know, just a shower thought that popped up yesterday, and I'm curious to see what you all have to say about it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 1:54 PM

2019-05-07T13:54:42-04:00

Of course. Hypothetically, legislation can be written and passed for anything. Like, a new draft, with no age limits, no prior service limits, etc.

Possible, yes. Likely, no.
(And like any other legislation, it could/would be challenged in the Courts).

Response by LCDR Joshua Gillespie made May 7 at 2019 2:00 PM

2019-05-07T14:00:03-04:00

I think it's safe to say that won't ever happen... unless the veteran(s) in question have a "particular set of skills". It's difficult to imagine such an emergency, but if it occurred... it's likely that the very LAST thing the government would do is recall hundreds or thousands of folks who may or may not meet minimum standards, whose experience/training may or may not be up to date... who may or may not be able to get the required clearance, etc.

More likely would be a scenario where due to a lack of military or law enforcement during a national crisis or natural disaster, veterans (or other really motivated people) might self-organize and either link up with, or augment government forces as able. Kinda an internal "FID" situation.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 2:02 PM

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It’s actually 8 total years, so yeah you’d go back for a year.. have fun lol

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 2:03 PM

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Thank you for your "Shower Idea" SPC Angela Burnham!!! I am 76, retired and a veteran and in reasonably good health save for a little arthritis...I would volunteer to help the cause if there ever was an invasion... I am technically astute and could help in many ways!!! I bet you will get a similar reply from other veterans...

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 2:07 PM

2019-05-07T14:07:21-04:00

They can call me out of 17 years of retirement, if they so desire. And I would go immediately, if not sooner!!!

Response by LTC John Shaw made May 7 at 2019 2:16 PM

2019-05-07T14:16:18-04:00

Retirees, former service members may be recalled to active duty in some circumstances but it is highly unlikely. See the link I provided.
This is the way I understand Full Mobilization:
Yes, you may be recalled if a person is in the Retired Reserve, you are part of paper list that may be called up in a full mobilization. This was done during the Gulf War and OEF / OIF. Typically the DoD will only recall skills they can't find on active or reserve duty.
During the gulf war, If you were a veteran that served all required time in IRR, you will be notified of the opportunity to volunteer.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/u-s-military-rules-for-being-recalled-to-active-duty-3357010

Can You Be Recalled to Active Military Duty After Getting Out?

Can you be recalled to active military duty after your term of enlistment has ended? In some cases, depending on the term of service, it is possible.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 2:17 PM

2019-05-07T14:17:48-04:00

Depends on your circumstances.
If you are in the Retired Reseve, you bet.
If you are out all the way, it would take an act of Congress.
Having said that, if stuff goes that sideways, I will find the Army, not wait for the Army to find me.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 2:19 PM

2019-05-07T14:19:50-04:00

They'll have to leave a message. I'm already on the beach, locked and loaded, awaiting landfall.

Response by LTC John Shaw made May 7 at 2019 2:19 PM

2019-05-07T14:19:58-04:00

More thoughts about retirement recall.
https://thewarhorse.org/reflections-archives/recall-and-regress/

Recall and Regress | The War Horse

Nathan Eckman wonders what a recall to service would mean for the life he’s built since exiting active duty, and if he’d answer that call.

Response by LTC John Shaw made May 7 at 2019 2:20 PM

2019-05-07T14:20:49-04:00

You can find some additional information on the Army retirement page.
https://soldierforlife.army.mil/Retirement/preparing-to-retire

preparing-to-retire

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made May 7 at 2019 2:28 PM

2019-05-07T14:28:40-04:00

I'd go.

Response by SPC Manny Managuit made May 7 at 2019 2:31 PM

2019-05-07T14:31:52-04:00

Draft would be the last resource. and technically you are still in the reserves youre if in IRR, so you would be next in line. I have not meant a veteran who wouldnt go back specially if its (modern warfare, call of duty) video game reference. but, I can still drive a TANK.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 7 at 2019 2:34 PM

2019-05-07T14:34:29-04:00

I've gotta think about that one...it's an interesting scenario, certainly...I'd sent in a thread a few days ago about whether there'd ever been a serious, organized Federal/state effort to use disabled vets for real, on a purely volunteer level, to help out at active, Guard, and Reserve facilities...I've been really wanting to do something like that for awhile...I've looked at a lot of stuff, JROTCs, CAP, Navy Sea Cadets, USCG Aux, USPHS Med Reserve Corps (MRC) (which isn't necessarily for mil/vet, per se, just a program for clinical volunteers under USPHS), it's just that my whole total perm disability thing keeps getting in the way all the time...now, if you'd all ever care to yak about that, I'd be really seriously interested, I've seen no inherent reason why such use couldn't be made of disabled vets for such stuff...somebody got back to me on that thread, that he'd also given that whole idea serious thought, we'd both asked about the state defense forces (SDFs) as well for that purpose, apparently, there's evidently a bar with most SDFs about using total perm disabled vets, due to insurance-liability stuff, I'd found out, as he apparently also had, I'd gathered, from what he'd said...I mean, God knows, I'd love to do it, there's a Reserve center right up the street from my wife and myself, with USAR, ARNG, and USMCR...I've also looked at the Army Volunteer Corps (AVC), as well, run out of Ft. Sam Houston, I've asked, nothing, zero...I mean, God knows, I've tried, you know? So...any thoughts?

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made May 7 at 2019 2:36 PM

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A former officer in his 80s was recalled during Desert Storm because he was the last person to have built a topographic map of Saudi Arabia during World War II.

Retirees are basically on the hook until they put you in the ground plus 10days.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made May 7 at 2019 2:44 PM

2019-05-07T14:44:09-04:00

Anything is possible, it is not likely. If the US is being invaded all bets are off. I hope you have a few rifles and a couple thousand rounds of ammo.

Response by SSG Brian G. made May 7 at 2019 3:16 PM

2019-05-07T15:16:21-04:00

Could they? Yeah. If it's that bad you would be surprised at how quickly the politicians would cross the aisle and agree... ANYTHING just so long as THEY don't have to go where the bullets and bombs are flying.

But honestly it would not be about calling up veterans. It would be about screening out those that could not fight from all the volunteers that would show up to fight.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 7 at 2019 3:17 PM

2019-05-07T15:17:48-04:00

If you are a retiree, yes. Otherwise a lot of factors come into play. Thank you for your service.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made May 7 at 2019 3:29 PM

2019-05-07T15:29:01-04:00

I would say yes since nothing in ther Constitution seems to bar it/

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made May 7 at 2019 3:49 PM

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I'm sure if it really were a "doomsday scenario" as you describe it, an immediate, existential threat in its most literal definition, Uncle Sam can do whatever he needs to, in order for the country to survive. Hell, if its THAT bad, and THAT immediate, bringing back trained vets would probably be a better initial stop-gap measure than to begin bulking up our defenses by dedicating the time required for training up draftees who are fresh off the street! At least trained veterans may provide some measure of breathing room until draftees are ready to take their place on the front lines.

Now the specific legal measures required to make it happen I don't pretend to know, but I'm sure it would be an act of Congress at a minimum.

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made May 7 at 2019 3:54 PM

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Don't worry, the nukes will take you out before you get a chance to go back to MEPS in that scenario.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made May 7 at 2019 4:41 PM

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Thebalancecareers website

“Inactive Reserves (also known as IRR - Individual Ready Reserves) - As a member of the IRR or Ready Reserves you receive no pay, nor do you spend any time doing anything within the military. No drilling, training, or any of the benefits of service apply to former military members within the IRR. But yes, you still can be called for service by the President.

All enlistments in the United States military incur a minimum eight-year service obligation. Any time which is not spent on active duty, or in the active (drilling) Reserves or National Guard must be spent in the inactive reserves, or Individual Ready Reserves (IRR).

Before signing an enlistment contract, think of it like any other employment commitment. Besides swearing the oath of enlistment, you're signing a legal, binding document when you join the military.”

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 4:57 PM

2019-05-07T16:57:15-04:00

Officers have a 10-year window to be called back from Retirement. I'm not sure about the IRR, but I think many IRR personnel were voluntarily Mobilized during the OIF-OEF surges from 2004-2011 time frame. Enlisted were also asked to come back, but I'm not sure if any of them were voluntold or not. They were deploying anyone they could find at the time...!!

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made May 7 at 2019 5:14 PM

2019-05-07T17:14:50-04:00

Though not used because we have an All-Volunteer Force, Congress could mobilize the "Federal Militia" which falls under the Powers of the President of the United States:

Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, the Commander in Chief clause, states that "[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.

10 U.S. Code § 246. Militia: composition and classes

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 6:02 PM

2019-05-07T18:02:09-04:00

I could be recalled. BUT, I am 76. I suspect they would call you first. :)

Response by SGT Kevin Berman made May 7 at 2019 6:21 PM

2019-05-07T18:21:47-04:00

In that scenario, even at 56 I would volunteer.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made May 7 at 2019 7:01 PM

2019-05-07T19:01:25-04:00

If you are in the retiree books, yes! But in a scenario like you posted there will be plenty of folks eager to deliver violence to those who dare to invade the good o’le US!!!!

Response by PO2 Kevin Parker made May 7 at 2019 10:00 PM

2019-05-07T22:00:40-04:00

During Desert Storm, we had a bunch of Old Salt's on board ship. I don't know if they were recalled, or contracted. They were a bunch of Vietnam vets showing our Ordnance personnel how to use all the old stuff they weren't trained on. We were dropping a lot of Vietnam era and before type stuff. They showed them how to arm, and load them on the planes. It was cool and kinda funny having them out there with us.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made May 7 at 2019 10:22 PM

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If it's an honest doomsday scenario, why would you wait to be called back?

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made May 7 at 2019 11:13 PM

2019-05-07T23:13:31-04:00

While I do not think there would be an issue getting volunteers, I think there may be issues getting volunteers qualified for more than the CHAIR FORCE. I'm older and busted up a bit but I can still get a round down range at the bad guys.

I don't know why Randy Quaid in Independence Day popped into my brain...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2019 2:55 AM

2019-05-08T02:55:27-04:00

WOLVERINES !!!!!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2019 6:40 AM

2019-05-08T06:40:42-04:00

There's no need to worry if the US is ever invaded (again) the government will outsource the job to some random security company. By then the s-shops will be replaced with self-serve kiosks and the dfac will be a vending a machine full of snicker bars.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2019 2:12 PM

2019-05-08T14:12:54-04:00

My Retired ID card issued in 1998 says EAS: INDEFINITE.

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made May 8 at 2019 8:38 PM

2019-05-08T20:38:28-04:00

Doesn't matter how fast a recall would happen. If all hell breaks loose, I will be either on my way to or already at a military post with weapons and supplies.

Response by GySgt Jim Hall made May 8 at 2019 9:42 PM

2019-05-08T21:42:06-04:00

Yea and I have fictional legs that work.

Response by SSgt John Iriye made May 8 at 2019 11:06 PM

2019-05-08T23:06:24-04:00

If the $#it hits the fan and you need to be drafted.
I don't want you on my 6:00

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 9 at 2019 12:03 AM

2019-05-09T00:03:39-04:00

Yes. 35 is the magic age now but that could be changed

Response by GySgt Cortez Liggins made May 9 at 2019 12:26 AM

2019-05-09T00:26:32-04:00

I am sure that the law can be changed in that type of emergency. I believe it would be based on their field of expertise. If we were under attack, I like to think all of us would quickly take up arms, but that is just me.

Response by MAJ James Hammonds made May 10 at 2019 2:07 PM

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I am a Major USAR, 4 ½ yrs on active duty, 17 ½ yrs in the Reserves. Field Artillery Officer w/ Aviation time. Age 72. I don’t have any knowledge of any regulations that would cover your question. I’ve thought about the same question about myself. Since I am drawing retirement pay and if the United States was that desperate for people and had to pull me back in on active duty, I’d serve. Once they review my VA medical records I would probably be put in the classroom to teach.

Response by SGM Mendel Ofman made May 10 at 2019 3:55 PM

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All reservists no longer have fractional obligations. Everyone signs up to be available for recall up to age 60.

Response by SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr made May 11 at 2019 3:03 PM

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Veterans are subject to recall. I wouldn't wait for recall orders in the scenario you created.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made May 15 at 2019 1:41 PM

2019-05-15T13:41:35-04:00

Yes.

Response by PO2 Russell Houston made May 15 at 2019 4:23 PM

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You have sworn to uphold and defend the constitution and obey the officers appointed above you, there was no time limit on that. The President of These United States of America is your Commander and Chief. Seems to be a no brainer to me

Response by CH (LTC) Patrick Holder made May 16 at 2019 4:59 PM

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Unless the rules have changed since I was active. The answer is yes if you have a critical MOS.

Response by SGT Charles Butler made May 16 at 2019 9:38 PM

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IF there was a doomsday scenario, I agree with most of the others, I am ready to serve again, seeking the opportunity. That being said, being a fit 60 years old and a few years out of active duty, I would expect to be assigned as such.

Response by CPT Endre Barath made May 17 at 2019 1:58 AM

2019-05-17T01:58:27-04:00

OK my take is if it was a"fictional doomsday scenario" do you need to have Congress Pass a Law? seriously if you are a true patriot, you would not need to be recruited you would volunteer... I volunteered when the draft ended... no one needed to force me to go to Airborne or Ranger Schools I did it on my own... just my two cents, Endre

Response by SrA Allan Yates made May 17 at 2019 9:47 AM

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I read somewhere that there are 6,000,000 veterans on CONUS soil. In the scenario that you propose, I would expect that about 95% of that 6,000,000 would take to the streets, hunting and killing the enemy.

When the Soviet Army invaded Afghanistan, the Mujahideen vowed to fight to the last man.
I can't see America's veterans doing any less.

The liberal sheeple and the feminized lefty metro males would no doubt beg for the mercy of the invading forces and throw the white flag. America's veterans would throw lead and collect ears on wire coat hangers.

Response by CPT Gary Seney made May 17 at 2019 7:45 PM

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72 years old next week and a Vietnam veteran helicopter pilot (Huey.) Yes I would go back to support our country. Cpt Gary Seney

Response by SGT Michael Babb made May 17 at 2019 11:23 PM

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Darned right! I’m over 60 and would do whatever I could to defend my country!!!

Response by Sgt Larry Howe made May 18 at 2019 11:10 AM

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I’m 63 and if somebody invades our land they won’t have to call me. I’m going to call them

Response by PO2 Donald Schortmann Sr made May 18 at 2019 1:59 PM

2019-05-18T13:59:40-04:00

I'm 81 years old now. I can't March or run but I can still shoot. I have a gun & ammo & I will use tiles I'm out of ammo or dead.

Response by COL Kasey Warner made May 18 at 2019 7:11 PM

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Retirees are subject to recall. An act of Congress could be passed virtually immediatey to draft virtually all who may be needed and who are not currently in a National Guard, Reserve or Active Duty component.

Response by SSG George Holtje made May 18 at 2019 10:21 PM

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If the situation was that dire, I would either have already volunteered or organized my own militia to support the defense of our homeland.
I’m more concerned with them pulling me in for the apparent Iran conflict upcoming

Response by SSgt Richard Kensinger made May 19 at 2019 11:40 AM

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Angela,
Not stupid at all! If we got invaded I would serve again as either an AF ER medic
or a clinical psychologist, if they would take me at age 71. My service to the USA is ongoing until I enter the eternal journey!
Rich

Response by Sgt George Dooley made May 19 at 2019 7:27 PM

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Whatever it would take to keep us FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made May 19 at 2019 7:44 PM

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I would think that this is a no brainer for most of us.
I am 55 yrs old, Med retired because of back and neck problems.
But ther is always a place for some that can still fight no matter there age.
Or how much or how little they can do. On the line or in the rear supplying the line.
Most of us wrote the check years back, And are still willing to pay on it.

Response by MSG Robert Reiser made May 19 at 2019 9:09 PM

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I’m 74 and locked & loaded. Bring it on.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made May 19 at 2019 9:44 PM

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Speaking for myself, in the unlikely event they recall me at 75 or more years and in the shape I'm in or will be, the only questions I would have would be "can I still be an artilleryman? and when and maybe where do you want me to report?" Ours is the only flag I've got let alone to which I hold allegiance. Hell, I held an 11B secondary mos as an enlisted soldier and I can still shoot a rifle with the best of them. All that being said I'd bet there would be hundreds of thousands if not millions in impromptu militias that would assemble and make Yamamoto's prediction of a "rifle behind every blade of grass" happen. Logistics, especially class V would not be an immediate problem cuz many of us likely reload our empties and can hit our targets from an adjacent zip code. That aphorism " there will come a sound you will not hear from a place you cannot see" might hold. Just Sayin'.

Response by Kathy Shingleton made May 19 at 2019 10:07 PM

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I have know idea about if they can call Vet's back. However, I know for a fact that my Father, my Husband and all the rest of my family that have served signed an oath that has NO expiration date. Know matter how old they are they are willing to fight for our country! Me included! I'm a hell of a shot! If they come at us here in the U.S.! They will lose! Just with all the hunters! Why do you think they stayed away after hitting our fleet in WWII! ?

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made May 19 at 2019 10:14 PM

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In the days after the 9/11/01 attacks my dad went to the USMC recruitment station and asked about going back in. Daddy was a WO2 when he finished his second tour in Vietnam and got out of the Marines.
The Gunny told him that he’d love to put him back in but they just won’t let him reactivate anyone that’s over 65.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made May 19 at 2019 10:16 PM

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First of all, if we were invaded you wouldn't need to wait for a draft. I believe every vet that can squeeze a trigger would be volunteering. But in the current real world, we are subject to recall up until our sixtieth birthday.

Response by SP5 Grover Crail made May 19 at 2019 10:50 PM

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Odd crap one things about whirling the shower. I am 69, have emphysema among other health issues and I don't need a draft notice. Tell me where to be and when. Do I need to bring g my own weapons? And yes even if it is back to Vietnam I will go there as long as we are going to win and not play politics. Always thought old farts should fight the wars anyway. Hell we have a lot less to lose:) and we have been there done that. Just make sure somebody gets us a good supply of meds and remember a lot of take blood thinners so gonna bleed out quickly.

Response by CPO Craig Sawicky made May 19 at 2019 11:01 PM

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Unorganized/Reserve Militia to age 64 for Former Military.To be Honest,if Things were That Bad, WHO that was Capable of Providing ANY Support,would be Turned Away?

Response by SFC Javier CruzColon made May 20 at 2019 1:24 AM

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Okay too much what if!!!
I retired with 26 yrs federal active duty time, in time of war i could get recalled untol four years after i retired withour exceed total time of 30 years, but wait a second regulation and milper messages can be read by anybody out there and interpreted to meet their own needs.. by that i mean to said a lot of Soldiers during Desert Storm operation report to the nearest recruiting station and gladly were put back in service.
My answer is No....

Response by SFC Richard Baerlocher made May 20 at 2019 5:00 AM

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I worked with a Registered nurse in 1991 that was recalled for his skill at age 69 for gulf war one. If you have a critical skill, the military can recall a retiree if they are in good health even after age 65. I would gladly go if the US were being invaded. I was subsistence supply logistics, so yes it would be possible for me to be recalled even at age 72.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2019 6:27 AM

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Believe it or not. I ran into some guys in Ramadi in 05-06 who had been recalled. I don’t know how much of what they said was true but a couple had mentioned that they had completed their IRR obligation.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made May 20 at 2019 7:33 AM

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As a broke Medic, I'll be doing my part.
I'm armed as well. After being shot at, nearly blown up on many occasions I'll have no problem helping with that 'situation'.

Response by SPC Mark Bennett made May 20 at 2019 8:24 AM

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If that scenario was to happen, I don't think you'd have to worry about calling anyone back, they would be the first ones to lock and load to defend this country

Response by SPC Mark Bennett made May 20 at 2019 8:27 AM

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If that scenario was to happen, I don't think you would have to worry about Vet's coming back, they would be the first ones on the line, locked and loaded ready to defend this country

Response by LTC Brian Knox made May 20 at 2019 8:35 AM

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I think if you check the regulations for who’s in the individual ready reserve the IRR you will find it only those people with an obligation as enlisted soldiers or officers who have chosen to stay and remain with their commission are in the IRR therefore if your obligation was up you would not be in the individual ready reserve

Response by SFC John Chase made May 20 at 2019 2:59 PM

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It wouldn’t take a act of Congress for me. Was in one war, won’t hesitate to fight another. I’m already locked loaded.

Response by Lt Col Lewis Williams made May 21 at 2019 12:14 AM

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It reminds me of Napoleon calling classes of older and younger men to answer the call to his warlike tendencies. My answer is no. A call to civilians with firearms to repel invaders is more in keeping with being an American as opposed to forcing people to war.

Response by TSgt Gerald Wilson made May 21 at 2019 8:38 AM

2019-05-21T08:38:03-04:00

I wouldn't be surprised if the law already provides for sucking us all back for Armegeddon as needed - irrespective of the IRR ten year thing. And they might not even exclude the the extrme elderly above 45 LOL. I'm 53, fitter than plenty of our gen Z heroes, and I'd be just delighted to make the magic happen again in the situation you describe. Now, the flight medicine weenies would have to get their waiver pens out for those of us who got 50-100% disability for after miraculously being in perfect health for the annual physical 20+ times. In all seriousness, the expertise of former generations would be incredibly valuable in all-out war although "management" would violently resist that fact I suspect.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made May 21 at 2019 9:49 AM

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I'm there!!!I might be nearly 60 but I can still shoot and do supplies.

Response by CWO4 Michael McGrath made May 21 at 2019 4:04 PM

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I’m a retired CWO 4, USN (regular). Been ret. since 1985 as a Physician Assistant speciality, Nuclear submarine Hospital Corpsman, Fleet Marine Force combat Hospital Corpsman in Vietnam.
Pretty rough shape physically but mind still works great. Would volunteer to do anything the Navy/Marine Corps think I able to contribute. The Oath/s I took are still what I swear by today.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made May 21 at 2019 5:53 PM

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Yes they can. My grandfather served in the Army from 1932-1940. When he got out in 1940 he married and had two small children. HE was an E-6 with 8 years experience and the Army needed him bad after December 7, 1941 He was recalled under national emergency act and was back in the Army December 28,1941. After a week preparation time he was training soldiers how to shoot and fight Army style.

Response by SSG Ricky Johnson made May 21 at 2019 6:40 PM

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I’m not sure I totally understand this question. If we were invaded, even at 66, i would volunteer. I know that I could not be in EOD again, as I doubt I could never wear the suit; however, my DA Civilian career in Logistics and Transportation would make me a usable asset. I retired as a YA-02 (GS13), Traffic Management Specialist and a Logistics Management Specialist.

Response by SP5 John Coggeshall made May 21 at 2019 9:52 PM

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My oath of enlistment, "...that I will defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."..did NOT have an expiration date.

Response by LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin made May 21 at 2019 10:59 PM

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No obligation: Act of Congress.
Retired: Call up authorized.
Everybody else volunteer. Like WWII with Rosie the Riveter but it would be an old one releasing the young one for line duty. And it would be a BYO party for 2A folks.

Response by PO2 Ron Staggs made May 22 at 2019 8:54 AM

2019-05-22T08:54:55-04:00

Although, not a doomsday scenario - I believe that we are already being invaded !

Response by PO1 Armand Riendeau made May 22 at 2019 10:29 AM

2019-05-22T10:29:09-04:00

No problem most veterans would all ready be lock and loaded

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2019 11:27 AM

2019-05-22T11:27:11-04:00

It would be my dream for the Army to recall this 53 years old 88-M veteran Bach to active duty....HooRaah!

Response by SGT Craig Nelson made May 22 at 2019 6:27 PM

2019-05-22T18:27:06-04:00

It depends. If we get invaded I won't need to be recalled. I'm their. However if it's for some war we got ourselves into that we could have easily avoided through diplomacy or not with the approval of Congress don't call me

Response by PO3 Mark Varshock made May 22 at 2019 9:50 PM

2019-05-22T21:50:40-04:00

Always willing to do anything needed !!

Response by SFC Robert Walton made May 23 at 2019 9:37 AM

2019-05-23T09:37:40-04:00

Okay my two cents which ain't much. USARMY= Uncle Ain't Released Me Yet.
I said my oath not once but many many times and I have never received in writing where I have been relieved of that Oath. If they call me I go if they don't I won't, However I will still pick up Arms and Defend my home and Family should the need arise. I would find it My Honor to return I have to think I have a lot less to loose than many others my time to Meet my maker is much closer than High school and College Kids and I have had a good life So to the enemy " bring it on, Lets get er did"
JMT

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made May 23 at 2019 10:25 AM

2019-05-23T10:25:22-04:00

if the shit hits the fan I am out there with my brothers and sisters.

Response by LTC Stephen Franke made May 23 at 2019 9:35 PM

2019-05-23T21:35:39-04:00

Greetings to all in this thread.

Good question about mandatory and selective recall to active military duty of RC members (IRR or other categories, i.e. IMA assignees, TPU members, et al) to support our country again.

** FYI ALCON, have noticed and encountered the background context that only a "By-Name Request" (aka BNR) for recall of a RC member / retiree (as in my case), as signed by a GO-level authority and submitted to USAHRC for action, will receive any serious interest and attention.
Hope this helps.

Regards,

Stephen H. Franke
LTC, FAO (Middle East - Senior Veteran Arabic Linguist),
US Army Retired

Response by PO2 Earl McMannis made May 23 at 2019 10:22 PM

2019-05-23T22:22:16-04:00

Under limited conditions I say yes. Your skill become critical to the military. Example, doctor, lawyer, construction, information technology, cyberwarfare, funerals Morten. Something like that

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made May 26 at 2019 2:43 PM

2019-05-26T14:43:28-04:00

It COULD Happen! Especially if a SIGNIFICANT amount of Military Personnel have been KILLED OFF!

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Jun 3 at 2019 10:40 AM

2019-06-03T10:40:08-04:00

I am 87 but I can still fire a weapon, walk, drive a vehicle, type (slow but accurate) and perform light physical labor. I have my own 9 MM Smith and Wesson to keep me going until I could get my hands on a rifle and ammo. I won't need an invitation to join the fight, I will do what I can.

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Jun 15 at 2019 7:10 PM

2019-06-15T19:10:16-04:00

They can make a law that allows or disallows anything. As long as it is not in conflict with the Constitution. And passes judiciary muster. So get that duffel bag from the attic!

Response by SGT Ron Parrish made Jun 17 at 2019 9:37 PM

2019-06-17T21:37:26-04:00

I wouldn't wait to be recalled. I would self-deploy and protect our country.

Response by SGT Jerry Pipkin made Jun 18 at 2019 8:59 AM

2019-06-18T08:59:58-04:00

They can and do. I had done 10 1/2 years active duty prior to 9/11. I was recalled to active duty with guys that went all the way back to Vietnam. I tried explaining that I had no obligation so they politely informed me that there is a clause in all who volunteered and joined that says you understand you are subject to a call up at any time. And they showed us where it was in our original contract. One guy from Vietnam era had a stroke and paralyzed on one side. They asked him if he can answer a phone to which he said yes and then they informed him that they had a spot for him where he could free up a spot for a soldier to go down range and that's exactly what they did with him, put him answering phones at the Pentagon.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Jun 18 at 2019 2:08 PM

2019-06-18T14:08:43-04:00

When I went into the Army, I was told about all these benefits I would have from the VA. Most of them they took away in later years. Point being, the government can pretty much do what it wants to. Going in, I was promised the GI bill anytime I wanted to use it, shortly after I got out, they changed it only giving me 10 years to use it, for example. The government seems to be the only ones allowed to change the nature of a contract after its written. Honestly, if we were in that bad of shape, they would want me back, I would not have to be drafted, and would say what can my fat old broken down body do for you Uncle Sam, because things would have to be pretty bad for them to go that deep into the pool.

Response by Cpl David Bientz made Jun 18 at 2019 2:31 PM

2019-06-18T14:31:35-04:00

At 69 years old, I would be kicking the door down at the Federal Building to re-enter the
Marine Corps or any branch that could use me in any way to support my president, to protect my country and her citizens.
Semper Fi, Do or Die!

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2019 8:11 AM

2019-06-19T08:11:02-04:00

I worked with a Naval officer...she was a nurse. Had been out for for years (separated, no reserve duty). The government recalled her during desert storm. After that, she resigned her commission. Her commission was the only piece that kept her on the recall roster.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jun 19 at 2019 8:48 AM

2019-06-19T08:48:40-04:00

At the current rate Congress acts on any thing except interfering with a seated President I would just go fight Flip Congress, Might tie a couple of them up and take em with me. Let them see what it means to get the Job done. GIT ER DID.

Response by SFC James Beason made Jun 19 at 2019 10:03 AM

2019-06-19T10:03:40-04:00

I’m 70 now but I wouldn’t wait for any recall orders or anything like that. Remember what Yamamoto said about invading America, “ Invade America and you will find a rifle behind every blade of grass”

Response by SGT Joseph Armacost made Jun 19 at 2019 11:22 AM

2019-06-19T11:22:28-04:00

I'm ready to respond if needed!

Response by SGT James Ellis made Jun 19 at 2019 1:19 PM

2019-06-19T13:19:54-04:00

I was told when I got out I could be recalled any time.

Response by SPC Bruce Cochrane made Jun 19 at 2019 1:48 PM

2019-06-19T13:48:10-04:00

There are protocols for higher pay grade and enlisted that keep them attached to the military indefinitely. I seriously doubt that the government would try to recall disabled veterans but they might try to get other veterans if really needed.

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Jun 20 at 2019 9:40 AM

2019-06-20T09:40:11-04:00

Like most of us here on RP. I’d already be out the fighting for freedom.

Response by SGT Leo Schwarz made Jun 20 at 2019 9:41 AM

2019-06-20T09:41:07-04:00

Without a doubt I would go "Viet Nam vet"

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Jun 20 at 2019 9:44 AM

2019-06-20T09:44:16-04:00

Like most of us on RP, I’d already be out there fighting for our freedom.

Response by PO2 Marshall Van Dyke made Jun 20 at 2019 11:11 AM

2019-06-20T11:11:20-04:00

I'm 69 yrs. Old...but I can still fire a weapon and damn straight I would fight again!

Response by Maj Wayne Crist made Jun 20 at 2019 12:46 PM

2019-06-20T12:46:48-04:00

The reason we are a dangerous country is because as a people we are well armed. As it appears from those responding. a call up would not be necessary as most would form up with other like minded citizens and fight invaders in cities and neighborhoods without being asked. Living in Texas I believe our reputation for being armed and ready would keep even the simple minded enemy from invading here earlier on.

Response by SSgt James Whetstone made Jun 20 at 2019 2:45 PM

2019-06-20T14:45:43-04:00

No need for a recall. The oath I took when I entered the United States Marine Corps is life long. I'll be there doing all that can to protect our country and the coustitution against all enemies.

Response by MSG Chuck Pewsey made Jun 21 at 2019 2:39 AM

2019-06-21T02:39:33-04:00

There was nothing in my retirement papers that released me from my oath.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jun 21 at 2019 5:01 AM

2019-06-21T05:01:38-04:00

If you have to ask, there would be foot prints up your back. I'm 70 and would be kicking the door down, even if I had to bring my own weapons

Response by Sgt Bob Early made Jun 22 at 2019 11:59 AM

2019-06-22T11:59:22-04:00

During the Vietnam war, I was told that A!E pilots (experienced by KOREA) were brought back to be trainers of the new pilots who were to fly the A1E's in RVN. I knew AIE's were used, as they could carry interesting ordinance at lower altitudes, with what we have to assume near surgical precision of their strike. I know that because as a Tracking Radar operator, we got requests for target avoidance runs (ya know., like schools, medical facilities, etc)

Response by CPL Thomas Murphy made Jun 22 at 2019 12:50 PM

2019-06-22T12:50:29-04:00

i'm a vietnam vet and 70 yrs. young, but i would gladly fight for this country in a heartbeat.

Response by SSG Tim Aschauer made Jun 22 at 2019 8:01 PM

2019-06-22T20:01:46-04:00

My oath never expired.

Response by SPC Brian Blaney made Jun 23 at 2019 4:34 PM

2019-06-23T16:34:23-04:00

If we are invaded, I'd be heading to the National Guard Armory near me to do what I have to do, plain and simple. Best way to protect my family is to fight.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Jun 23 at 2019 6:26 PM

2019-06-23T18:26:13-04:00

Shoot to kill drive on hooah!

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Jun 23 at 2019 7:15 PM

2019-06-23T19:15:08-04:00

Not as fast as I used to be, but my aim is still good!! So bring it on, because I will defend this country until I am out of ammo, or out of blood!!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2019 7:51 PM

2019-06-23T19:51:46-04:00

I been retired for 35 years, this year is my 80th year upon the face of the earth, and you can bet your bippy that if said scenario transpired, I won't need anyone anywhere to tell me what to do. I'll even bring my own firearm, and ammo if needed.

Response by SPC William Henderson made Jun 23 at 2019 8:06 PM

2019-06-23T20:06:56-04:00

I think we all agree, that no matter what our circumstances are, if that were to happen then each of us would volunteer to help. That is why our second amendment is so important because we have a right to form that militia and help defend our country from tyrants or invaders. Also, many of our previous skills and knowledge from the service could be taught to others during a time like that. I pray though that none of us ever have to worry about something like that happening on this side of the pond.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2019 8:56 PM

2019-06-23T20:56:14-04:00

There was a doomsday recall (more like all call) in the 1930s (and at other times and places throughout history).

Response by MSgt John Schiller made Jun 23 at 2019 9:14 PM

2019-06-23T21:14:39-04:00

Soooo, as I recently learned after THIRTY-FOUR FRICK'IN YEARS; those of us who are "Retired" are, apparently, ALWAYS subject to the UCMJ and can ALWAYS be recalled if needed. Yes, so under the above described scenario military Retiree's can be brought back if needed. ALSO, if said Retiree goes on vacation to, oh say, Germany and has a little too much to drink and then, maybe, steps on someone's toes said Retiree could be judicially tried under military law.

Response by SPC Brett Robertson made Jun 23 at 2019 9:57 PM

2019-06-23T21:57:34-04:00

During the gulf war the Navy actually did. They were the last gunner mates that actually fired the main guns on the USS Missouri. They trained new crew man and deployed with them in the gulf. They probably were requested not given a letter saying ship out ir go to jail though. Check out the history on the USS Missouri. Its pretty neat.

Response by WO1 Mike Dwyer made Jun 23 at 2019 11:51 PM

2019-06-23T23:51:43-04:00

I'm a few months from turning 69, so I'd be pretty worthless in combat, but I could sure do some desk job and free up a younger person to fight. I could do my old job, CID Agent, as long as I was state side. That being said, in the big picture, I'd do whatever I was told to do.

Response by SSG Steven Faulkner made Jun 23 at 2019 11:58 PM

2019-06-23T23:58:19-04:00

all i need is a plane ticket and a destination to where I need to report im 67 and ready to go

Response by SSG Steven Faulkner made Jun 24 at 2019 12:05 AM

2019-06-24T00:05:18-04:00

send me orders and a plane ticket and ill be on the next flight and go where I am needed. im 67 and ready to go

Response by LCDR Cheryl Mcmahon made Jun 24 at 2019 12:56 AM

2019-06-24T00:56:31-04:00

Well we are being invaded right now. 4000 a day are being apprehended coming across our borders EVERYDA Y illegally!!! And those are only the ones arrested, no one knows how any or who are actually invading us!

Response by SSgt Ricardo Gonzales made Jun 24 at 2019 10:40 AM

2019-06-24T10:40:19-04:00

If it was a invasion from a foreign country, I would happily volunteer. If it was a civil war it would depend which side the government was on.

Response by CPL William Spence made Jun 24 at 2019 2:04 PM

2019-06-24T14:04:19-04:00

I'd go but I'd need to carry my own rifle and ammo. (No not the flintlock.)

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Jun 24 at 2019 3:55 PM

2019-06-24T15:55:52-04:00

My Air Force retirement orders specifically say that my last enlistment was extended indefinitely. Not one to wait, though.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2019 4:39 AM

2019-06-25T04:39:38-04:00

Yes, the Commander in Chief may order military personnel into active service and order a stop-loss to prevent active service personnel from REFRAD. Even 20-year retired military personnel are still in the military, still subject to the UCMJ, and may still be ordered back to active service. But the scenario you provided is ridiculously unrealistic on several fronts; especially "forcibly call back veterans"

Response by CPT Anthony Forstner made Jun 25 at 2019 6:46 AM

2019-06-25T06:46:45-04:00

Historically, in times of war, the president gets some pretty sweeping authority to do what is considered in the best interest of national safety. Consider Japanese internment during WWII or more recently, Patriot Act measures. That being said, I agree with some of the other comments, you're not really going to have to twist my arm in a situation like that.

Response by CPO Siegfried Bruner made Jun 25 at 2019 7:41 AM

2019-06-25T07:41:11-04:00

The situation would have to be pretty hairy for this to happen, but since you use the term “doomsday scenario,” all bets are off: all Americans able to do so will likely take up arms. Laws might be changed, but many will simply do what they believe is right.

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Jun 25 at 2019 10:16 AM

2019-06-25T10:16:10-04:00

I still qualify every year. They won't even have to ask.....

Response by SFC Michael Mulhall made Jun 25 at 2019 10:17 AM

2019-06-25T10:17:59-04:00

The next we will be about two months or less in duration. Once C2 collapse the war is ove

Response by Cpl L. Scott Hoskey made Jun 25 at 2019 12:25 PM

2019-06-25T12:25:10-04:00

Wouldn't have to... Most vet's I know would volunteer, or are already members of local militias.

Response by SFC Michael Wilkins made Jun 25 at 2019 3:02 PM

2019-06-25T15:02:36-04:00

I have been retired for twenty six years and would go back in the blink of an eye to protect my USA. I took an oath 48 years ago and nobody put a time limit on it. I was willing to give the ultimate sacrifice then and I still am now. I may not be in the same shape I was in the military but I would give them has much hell as I can. I can relieve some active people in the office so they can do the more strenuous duties.

Response by A1C Ronald Harris made Jun 26 at 2019 8:47 AM

2019-06-26T08:47:57-04:00

If it came to that, I for one would have already mobilized and joined the fight.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Jun 26 at 2019 4:33 PM

2019-06-26T16:33:46-04:00

If theyre any kinda man they wont need to be recalled. They'll do their duty as a citizen.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2019 4:47 PM

2019-06-26T16:47:47-04:00

In short YES, they can call you back to duty. In times of war, especially on US soil, the government can call you back to service with either Executive orders or an ascot of congress. The main thing to remember is you still must be physically able to serve in the military and your current lifestyle must conform to military regulations i.e, your current lifestyle cannot impeded upon your military duties. That will catch a lot of veterans who are not too unhealthy to serve or have too much “baggage” that the military is willing to deal with. But if it was me there wouldn’t be any hesitation.“ Call me Leonidas, Cause this is America!”

Response by CPT Andrew Wright made Jun 26 at 2019 9:13 PM

2019-06-26T21:13:08-04:00

During the Korean War the Army called back thousands who had served in WWII five years earlier but mostly officers who had held on to their reserve commissions. Yes, I am sure they would call up retired soldiers but probably just the younger ones at first. The USAF was recently considering calling back retired pilots because of personnel shortages and current requirements.

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Jun 26 at 2019 9:22 PM

2019-06-26T21:22:59-04:00

Yes, they call.

Response by PO2 Ron Willis made Jun 27 at 2019 1:54 AM

2019-06-27T01:54:38-04:00

See; 10 U.S. Code § 246. Militia: composition and classes and;
10 U.S.C. § 311 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 10. Armed Forces § 311. Militia: composition and classes
Vietnam vet in decent shape, well armed and there was no expiration date when I swore the oath of enlistment.

Response by PO3 Conway Bennett made Jun 27 at 2019 7:53 AM

2019-06-27T07:53:29-04:00

I am a 71 year old Vietnam vet and all I would request is a good updated gun and amo for it!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2019 8:39 AM

2019-06-27T08:39:33-04:00

I served with a CPT at Ft. Benning who had been recalled out of retirement. He was 62 and had been retired for 20 years.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jun 27 at 2019 12:27 PM

2019-06-27T12:27:26-04:00

Yes.

Response by MCPO Ernie Bulger made Jun 27 at 2019 3:14 PM

2019-06-27T15:14:05-04:00

As a combat vet, Master Chief Seabees, I am ready for all contingencies.

Response by SSG Eric Leedom made Jun 27 at 2019 3:58 PM

2019-06-27T15:58:33-04:00

Jou can be called back into service until you are 72 yrs old, God they will be scraping the bottom but under our oath untill they changed it......but by that time we all will be used as assault wheelchairs

Response by SGT Kenneth Butler made Jun 27 at 2019 6:16 PM

2019-06-27T18:16:35-04:00

I think all veterans like us would be ready to rock and roll regardless to age, race or creed. We are veterans of war until we die

Response by SSG Gary Flinchum made Jun 27 at 2019 6:33 PM

2019-06-27T18:33:02-04:00

Not sure about today's regulations or laws, but some MOS's could be recalled until age 55. Most Vets would volunteer for some type of service.

Response by Amn Reggie Keene made Jun 28 at 2019 12:49 PM

2019-06-28T12:49:02-04:00

Every able boded real American would be standing in line That is what we are all about.

Response by Cpl Sabrina L. made Jun 28 at 2019 3:29 PM

2019-06-28T15:29:31-04:00

Yes depending on the veterans separation code or a.k.a. reenlistment code.
Also depending on their physical fitness at the time of recall.
During time of war they can be recalled. I already is not limit the ability to be recalled.
When veterans lead active-duty after 20 years a.k.a. retire, They are not receiving retirement pay they are receiving retainer pay period which means they are supposed to stay physically fit until the age of 65 so they can be recalled if necessary.
It also depends on the job they did and at what level while they were on active duty and the needs of the nation!
I cannot imagine a veteran who is proud to have served would not go back if I asked in time of need!
I imagine a lot of us though would not want to screw around with admin desk jobs!
Given our age skills etc. we want to just go to the front lines because what’s the sense in using young people to die.
We lost too many young people in World War II and many many many many of them were the salt of the earth and our society is showing the results of there being lost at such a young age. There was a big generation gap of quality people with qu I am Magine a lot of this though would not want to screw around with admin desk jobs!
Given our age skills etc. we want to just go to the front lines because what’s the sense in using young people to die.
We lost too many young people in World War II and many many many many of them were the salt of the earth and our society is showing the results of their being lost at such a young age. There was a big generation gap of quality people with Great character and integrity!
And then we had the baby boom where a lot of loosey-goosey in the parent department went on.

Semper Fidelis God Corps Country

Response by Sgt Phil Quintana made Jun 29 at 2019 6:25 PM

2019-06-29T18:25:44-04:00

Shooot,

Response by Sgt Phil Quintana made Jun 29 at 2019 6:35 PM

2019-06-29T18:35:47-04:00

Shooot, I'd be at MEPS as fast as my truck could get me there and cut to the front of the line!. I may be 63 but I bet I can still operate an Amtrac better than 95% of the whipper snappers serving now!

Response by SPC Deborah Root-White made Jun 29 at 2019 7:01 PM

2019-06-29T19:01:30-04:00

Well, I’m 64 but always have believed that my oath had no expiration date! I go back in a heartbeat if they would take me!

Response by SP5 Eddie Oleary made Jun 29 at 2019 8:25 PM

2019-06-29T20:25:53-04:00

None

Response by SPC Joe Weiss made Jun 29 at 2019 9:16 PM

2019-06-29T21:16:10-04:00

If you are Disabled No

Response by CN Bernard Clarke made Jun 30 at 2019 9:00 AM

2019-06-30T09:00:38-04:00

I just wanted to point out that some of us who are no longer in uniform are still serving our country as military contractors especially in the IT area (Cyber security for one), Despite our age.
Count me in.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jun 30 at 2019 11:32 AM

2019-06-30T11:32:02-04:00

While POTUS is CINC that authority does not extend to civilians. Those with that authority are called dictators not duly elected Presidents or Prime Minister! But congressional authority to pass such laws are consistent with the Constitution and precedence.
That having been said I doubt there would be any shortage of veterans stepping up to the line. There would be of course be john kerry and the like who would likely be on the beach with welcome baskets for the invaders.

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Jun 30 at 2019 3:16 PM

2019-06-30T15:16:29-04:00

The Federal Government has so over stepped its intended purpose, anything is possible.

Response by MSG Robert Reiser made Jun 30 at 2019 6:15 PM

2019-06-30T18:15:00-04:00

I am 75 and still active with the North Carolina State Guard Asso. (State Defense Force). If the balloon goes up we would defend the USA in what ever or where ever we can. All are welcome in our organization regardless of race, creed, color, age or disability.

Response by SPC Ben Titus made Jul 1 at 2019 2:16 AM

2019-07-01T02:16:52-04:00

If that ever happened, I see myself becoming an insurgent in the fashion of Red Dawn. The US has the largest unofficial armed force (gun owners) in the world. I definitely wouldn’t voluntarily go back into the military.

Response by PFC Eric Parrish made Jul 1 at 2019 5:59 AM

2019-07-01T05:59:16-04:00

If the need is great you won't have to call on Patriots. They will stand up on their own. My country need but ask me. The legalese of the matter to force people to come back would be complicated. The situation would have to be dire indeed.

Response by SPC Mike Polston made Jul 1 at 2019 1:49 PM

2019-07-01T13:49:35-04:00

For soldiers, the oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic goes beyond just being in the military, it's a part of your life. Besides this, any true American would fight for America without having to be called to active duty. To keep a long explanation short, they can in some instances but in some instances it would require an act of congress.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jul 1 at 2019 7:41 PM

2019-07-01T19:41:35-04:00

No legal change required.
"The Oath" doesn't specify an expiration date.
Same applies for Citizenship, Government Positions, etc..
I don't know any country where this differs.
During Desert Storm 1, Retired Ex Military Doctors in their 80s in some cases were recalled (to stateside duty).
Of course the nature of the duties can be limited, based on the individual's profile, just as during normal active service.

Response by CPL Gary Martin made Jul 4 at 2019 12:36 PM

2019-07-04T12:36:53-04:00

Don't know if any changes since the 80's. But back then they can recall you up to 38 years old.

Response by LTC Edward Fullmer made Jul 6 at 2019 9:33 PM

2019-07-06T21:33:43-04:00

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE RETIRED THEY CAN STILL CALL YOU BACK UNTIL YOU ARE PAST 65 YRS OLD, WITHOUT A PROBLEM. WE HAD SOME OFFICERS IN THERE 60'S THAT WERE CALLED BACK AFTER RETIREMENT FOR THE 2003 INVASION. PROBLEM WAS THERE SECURITY CLEARANCES WERE NOT UPDATED AND THEY BECAME GLORIFIED DRIVERS. COULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY PLANNING, BRIEFINGS OR OPS IN USACAPOC UNLESS YOU HAVE THE CLEARANCE. I GOT AN INTERIM TS ON MY 2006 TOUR IN IRAQ. IT WAS FINALIZED TWO MONTHS AFTER I GOT BACK HOME IN 2007. I WAS AN ATO/ PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER FOR A CA BRIGADE AND NEEDED THE TS TO DO THE JOB. I RETIRED IN 2008 AND THE TS WAS GOOD FOR NINE YEARS AFTER I RETIRED. OH WELL!

Response by SGT Mark Daughenbaugh made Jul 8 at 2019 6:49 AM

2019-07-08T06:49:35-04:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Burns

I think this is "proof" of what might happen if we were invaded! You also need to check the laws in your particular state regarding the official State Militia - you may already have an obligation to serve close to home.

John L. Burns - Wikipedia

John Lawrence Burns[1] (September 5, 1793 – February 4, 1872[2]), veteran of the War of 1812, became a 69-year-old civilian combatant with the Union Army at the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War. He was wounded, but survived to become a national celebrity.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2019 4:15 PM

2019-07-10T16:15:11-04:00

Of course. The survival of the Republic is worth us being inconvenienced. Don't you think?

Response by LTC Lockhart Simpson made Jul 14 at 2019 12:18 PM

2019-07-14T12:18:18-04:00

It would require a change to the law to recall anyone who has been completely discharged. Even retired Reservists who are 60 and older can only be recalled if they volunteer for it (under current laws).

Response by Cpl George Goodwin made Jul 18 at 2019 10:23 AM

2019-07-18T10:23:55-04:00

Read the super fine print of your contract. You are theirs forever. During the first Gulf War I heard stories of Loadmasters from the Berlin Airlift being activated due to so much cargo that needed to be loaded.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cichelli made Jul 19 at 2019 8:07 AM

2019-07-19T08:07:49-04:00

Got news for you it can happen. I met a guy that got called at the age of 75, right after the Iraq invasion. They needed him to teach leaders how disarm IEDs. He did this during WWII and was the only one who knew how to do this. I'm 62, but I know what I'm doing should I get the call. Soldier for Life!! I don't think I'm the only retiree that sees it this way either.

Response by SP5 Dan Kassner made Jul 25 at 2019 12:05 AM

2019-07-25T00:05:06-04:00

At 74, I suppose it would be possible, but highly unlikely.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2019 10:45 AM

2019-07-26T10:45:22-04:00

I think in this type of scenario There would be no need for an act of Congress or an executive order because every single able-bodied American veteran would probably the first ones to volunteer, I know I would!!

Response by CPT Tommy Curtis made Jul 27 at 2019 11:25 PM

2019-07-27T23:25:16-04:00

If you have knowledge or specific skills,that the government or the military needs, they could make it happen, especially officers.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2019 11:54 PM

2019-07-27T23:54:12-04:00

If we were to fall so far that an enemy would even think to invade us, then the government would have no power of enforcement to press retirees into service.

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Jul 28 at 2019 4:33 AM

2019-07-28T04:33:58-04:00

But we are being invaded...

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Jul 28 at 2019 4:34 AM

2019-07-28T04:34:22-04:00

We are being invaded; we have been for the last 20 plus years.

Response by SCPO Gene Littig made Jul 28 at 2019 12:50 PM

2019-07-28T12:50:00-04:00

if I can walk, crawl, and my fingers can pull a trigger, if we are invaded or needed I will go. I don't need a recall order if we need to go.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Jul 28 at 2019 2:59 PM

2019-07-28T14:59:54-04:00

You must of been bored. Never has crossed my mind.

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Jul 28 at 2019 3:08 PM

2019-07-28T15:08:00-04:00

Last I checked I am still enlisted and would not need a call up

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Jul 28 at 2019 4:41 PM

2019-07-28T16:41:24-04:00

Yes, we did this during Desert Storm. They even orders some that we had chapter out of the Army. I received them in the 11th ACR and sent them right back out.

Response by PO3 Roy Schuelke made Jul 28 at 2019 9:00 PM

2019-07-28T21:00:28-04:00

we are being invaded as we speak, but somehow, no one cares, and I am ready, if I can get someone to help with ammo!

Response by SFC Michael Arabian made Jul 28 at 2019 9:27 PM

2019-07-28T21:27:43-04:00

Someone invades our country who’s waiting to be called back? I’m not

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Jul 28 at 2019 9:39 PM

2019-07-28T21:39:18-04:00

When I retired in 1999 after 20 years and change I was told that I could be recalled and any time and that my retirement and disability would or could be withheld until I reported for duty. Like most if not all vets if the country, they would not have to call me I would report prior to be recalled. This was 20 years ago so things may have changed.

Response by SPC Ron Salsbury made Jul 28 at 2019 9:54 PM

2019-07-28T21:54:42-04:00

Once a soldier, always a soldier!! There is no waiting for anyone to call, I swore and oath to protect my country and its Constitution from Foreign and Domestic alike. Besides, old warriors are the best warriors, we don't sleep very well, we are up early to pee in the toilet, we are grumpy mean old men and women, and don't think to much about sex it seems like anymore; so who better to have back in the fight than us tire old nasty, grumpy SOB's!!! :)

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Jul 29 at 2019 12:27 AM

2019-07-29T00:27:08-04:00

One officer I know explained the situation this way --- "Whatever promise or deal was made to you about recall to active duty is a matter of law. That law can and will be changed at the need of the government."

Response by GySgt James Ogilvie made Jul 29 at 2019 12:37 AM

2019-07-29T00:37:19-04:00

If you can walk, talk, knell, lie, and get up still hear and see -- I'm sure 99.9 % of veterans would be on station with personal and bought weapons to kill anyone (including socialist democrats) that would try to end our way of life. Most would not wait for orders/ letters asking/ or directions from the clowns of D.C. to ask us -- we would be the guardians of the constitution and our freedom with our spirit to win or die defending our country.

Response by Cpl TMike Barnes made Jul 29 at 2019 2:26 AM

2019-07-29T02:26:51-04:00

And to think that "The Dirty Dozen" was just a movie...also "The Last Castle".

Response by SFC Joseph Behmke made Jul 29 at 2019 2:30 AM

2019-07-29T02:30:56-04:00

Yes, it would take an act of Congress. But as a retired Veteran I wouldn't wait I'd volunteer. I may not be fit for combat but my logistics knowledge having been in Maintence Units, Armor Crewman, Company thru Divisional G4 Logistics could help somewhere. Truck drivers, forklift operators and hundreds of other non-combat support jobs need to be done for an effective resistance. Know any good Snipers?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2019 5:07 AM

2019-07-29T05:07:28-04:00

Not practical for all veterans since the weapon systems, vehicles, and other technology is rapidly changing and being replaced. You also have to consider their current health/fitness, and their state of mind. Then comes their job/rate/mos and if it still exists or if they need to retrain into something else. Their rank and seniority would also be a nightmare and I think most commanders would want some way to test any staff NCOs or Officers before giving them too much responsibility. With all this said, I'd think it would much easier (and cost effective) to let the drones do all the work. I'm pretty sure Amazon will have a bunch on sale. If that falls through, then we can always assemble the Avengers except Hawkeye (he's kinda useless).

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jul 29 at 2019 7:10 AM

2019-07-29T07:10:17-04:00

Let me think:
Oath: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Oathkeepers

Response by CPL P.J. Kirkhorn made Jul 29 at 2019 9:21 AM

2019-07-29T09:21:10-04:00

We are an armed citizen per the constitution for a reason, a citizen army each & every one of us. Not rocket science.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jul 29 at 2019 9:48 AM

2019-07-29T09:48:33-04:00

I've gotta admit, that's an interesting question...the legalities, I haven't a clue, obv, though I suppose there's always the purely moral side, of course, certainly....

Response by SSG Hank Ortega made Jul 29 at 2019 11:17 AM

2019-07-29T11:17:46-04:00

Fictional? We are already being invaded to the tune of 10,000 illegals a month. Our leftist politicians have sold out to the Marxist cause so the enemy is already inside the gates.
Work THAT scenario. Waiting.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Jul 29 at 2019 1:18 PM

2019-07-29T13:18:14-04:00

The build up for WW2 is an historic example of what would happen. Remember, WW1, for the USA, was not as big of a war in terms of mobilization and build up as it was for the UK, France, and Russia. So, there was not a massive pool of reserves and veterans from which to draw. WW2 was almost in full swing. Our father and mothers knew that the war was coming. President Roosevelt was trying to figure out how to get the US into the war. Then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. There were hundreds, probably thousands, of reserve service members who wanted back on active duty to serve in the war against Axis aggression. Except for certain special skills, the flood of requests exceeded the need and the ability of the services to integrate the old guys back into the services. The War Department and each service created a special office to manage the reintegration of reserve, retired, and veteran service members. It was a big deal and a big problem. Just one example was they had USAR Majors and Staff Sergeants with 10 years seniority over RA Majors and SSGs.

Response by TSgt Al Nave made Jul 29 at 2019 4:01 PM

2019-07-29T16:01:50-04:00

Couldn't we say were already being invaded? How many people did obama bring in no one knows about. How many cities are no longer American like in Detroit or Minnesota theres no longer a democratic party they are democratic socialists we are loosing our Constitutional rights and no one cares

Response by Sgt William Jones made Jul 29 at 2019 5:53 PM

2019-07-29T17:53:28-04:00

I agree SSGT, I will not need to be recalled, back into active duty. All I will need is to know where they are located. Then HELL will be wrought upon them with EXTREME PREJUDICE!! God may have mercy; Because I WIIL NOT!!!!!

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Jul 29 at 2019 9:22 PM

2019-07-29T21:22:48-04:00

Heck, I'm ready

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jul 30 at 2019 8:21 AM

2019-07-30T08:21:01-04:00

Now I am going to take a hit or two here but this is the best I can do. I believe your commitment is 8 yrs.1st 2nd As far as call back like you describe is concerned yes it can be change with congress and yes under and act of war and executive order could be used by the time that became an issue I am sure a attack on American soil every able body person in one way or another is going to be involved like it or not, based off of your question you fit the latter of the two. That is your choice but be advised no one is going to protect you and family they will be too busy trying to protect themselves and their family so you just as well put in a mind set of can do that way your ready either way. My last thoughts commitment served or not an attack on American soil you should be one of the first out there pounding the attackers rather than worrying about what the Government is going to do. MTC

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Jul 30 at 2019 8:21 AM

2019-07-30T08:21:04-04:00

I'm ready and will be really pi$$ed at having to get out of my easy chair to go fight bad guys. They will pay a price for my inconvenience!!!

Response by LTC Andrew Addison made Jul 30 at 2019 1:03 PM

2019-07-30T13:03:41-04:00

Anything is possible. I know there were discharged vets mobilized after 9-11. I know of vets that were called up for Iraq, Afghanistan and Egypt tours. Only issue with answering this type of question when you really know the answer it might be a problem. So, if you commited a crime the government could recall you to be tried in a military court long after any so-called military obligation had expired...

Response by SGT(P) Jim Crowley made Jul 30 at 2019 1:17 PM

2019-07-30T13:17:35-04:00

Most patriots who have served and love our great country wouldn't have a problem with being recalled. But with that said I can assure you that the call wouldn't even need to be made. DUTY HONOR COUNTRY... Never forget

Response by SPC C. Michael Morrison made Jul 30 at 2019 3:43 PM

2019-07-30T15:43:50-04:00

I am a US Citizen and Veteran of the US Army (7th Light Infantry Medic 11B/68W). My Oath of Enlistment will end when I die and not before. You can be damned sure I'd be at my local Recruiting Office ASAP. I am formerly from the UK and in the past 2 World Wars they had the Home Guard made up of retirees and those unable to perform regular service. The people covered the rear-guard by protecting critical infrastructure. They also performed duties such as helping to keep the Regular Army supplied and maintained. My Nan used to tell me stories about how the women would roll bandages and put together medical kits, repair canvas tenting and canopies, repack Parachutes and do light maintenance on vehicles and equipment.

At 58 I am still in very good physical shape; I train to meet the Army's APFT at the 60 year old rate - so not too bad! But, not enough to keep up with the young ones. But you can be assured I will do whatever I have to do. My AR15 is equipped with both a NV and IR Scope, I can consistently hit targets at 300 yards easily; more if I can take a second or two extra to zero in. (In other words if the bastard stops moving for a couple of seconds!).

As the owner/founder of an International Security Company I can mentor, train, and supervise younger people in whatever capacity I am needed. From Sept to Oct of 2018 I was in Burundi, Central Africa training the US Embassy Security Forces; so expect me, and tens of thousands of others to step up.

The young ones may be able to move faster and for greater distance, but there's nothing as lethal as a million grumpy old bastards with nothing to lose coming at you.

Response by SGT Brad Watts made Jul 30 at 2019 6:33 PM

2019-07-30T18:33:29-04:00

I am with most everyone else, I won’t wait for RTD orders!

Response by Jerry Rivas made Jul 31 at 2019 9:48 AM

2019-07-31T09:48:13-04:00

I'm 63 years old and pissed off and bitter. PLEASE call me back and put me in a loaded M60A3.

Response by LCpl Sam Flynn made Jul 31 at 2019 2:26 PM

2019-07-31T14:26:07-04:00

They Can Call Me Night Or Day I'll Be There No Matter What

Response by Cpl Shelly Moore made Jul 31 at 2019 11:18 PM

2019-07-31T23:18:49-04:00

I think Congress would allow it and very few Veterans would be against it.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2019 2:26 AM

2019-08-01T02:26:02-04:00

Oh yes they can recall people up to a year after your out of IRR or retired up to one year as far as I know but check the laws on the books to be safe

Response by PV2 Harold Kiehnau made Aug 1 at 2019 11:27 AM

2019-08-01T11:27:07-04:00

I’m 67 still active and able would go in a minute and not think twice about serving if needed

Response by MCPO Hilary Kunz made Aug 2 at 2019 5:37 PM

2019-08-02T17:37:30-04:00

When they brought the battleships out of mothballs during the Reagan Administration, they had to call up some very old guys to show the new, young crew how to make her ready to fight, so I’d think so, in certain circumstances. I don’t think that they had to twist arms too much, though.
I tried to go back in in September 2001. I was Fleet Reserve, but they didn’t need me and my specialties, so I stayed retired.
In case of armed invasion, we have the Second Amendment, the same thing that kept the Japanese from invading. Invaders would have to know that they’d be shot from every window because we’re armed. Attack, yes, but armed invasion could be difficult, especially where the country is most valuable, in the farm and ranch lands. Big liberal coastal cities would possibly be easy due to overcrowding and gun bans, plus they’re already occupied by criminals seeking sanctuary, but they have no value in and of themselves without the “flyover” parts of the country. New York, Chicago, Seattle, and LA don’t have any metals, food production or energy supplies of their own, it all comes from the heartland. But ranches and farms almost all have weapons, usually high powered rifles with scopes to kill varmints, and that’s a lot of open space to control.
So armed invasion would be foolish.

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Aug 2 at 2019 7:27 PM

2019-08-02T19:27:56-04:00

I'm a couple weeks away from 59YO. If I had it, I would spend $10,000 bribing my way back into uniform. I keep in shape and could pass a PT test right now. Funny how there are all kinds of opportunities for officers to get recalled, but commands won't even talk to NCOs.

Response by SGT Luke Wooster made Aug 3 at 2019 2:38 PM

2019-08-03T14:38:03-04:00

The DOD can bring someone in long after their obligations have expired if the person has a skill set that is considered "essential personnel." I witnessed a male SSGT. walking an oxygen tank behind him pre Iraq invasion and that soldier memorized all the supply codes. He memorized thousands of pages of code. Soldier was sent to Kuwait and rattled off code sitting in a chair and was promptly sent home after President W Bush declared "Mission Accomplished." I could see vascular surgeons being recalled long after military commitments had passed. IT contractors? ETC....

Response by PO1 Mike Meehan made Aug 3 at 2019 9:14 PM

2019-08-03T21:14:05-04:00

If you look at the US Code under "Militia", you will find it consists of all able-bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45, so yeah, they wouldn't really even need to change the law to call all of those people up.

Response by SFC William Cox made Aug 4 at 2019 10:20 AM

2019-08-04T10:20:40-04:00

If our country was invaded, I do not believe you'll have to draft any of us older vets. We defended the country in the past, we'll already be on the front lines kicking ass!

Response by TSgt Douglas Greenwood made Aug 13 at 2019 8:51 PM

2019-08-13T20:51:04-04:00

I didn’t sign up and serve 20+ years and then forget what I’ve learned. I am 67 and would not hesitate protecting my country in any capacity I could, anytime, anywhere. My oath says it all and my oath doesn’t have an expiration date.

Response by Sgt Brigid Totten made Aug 14 at 2019 3:48 PM

2019-08-14T15:48:12-04:00

In a heart beat I would be there, probably before they had to ask.

Response by SSG James N. made Aug 24 at 2019 10:09 AM

2019-08-24T10:09:50-04:00

Don't worry, I'm sure you would find a place to run if you didn't want to fight. For your country. Me, no one needs ask if we get invaded. I'll locate, close with, and destroy as much as I can, and if I survive a few stand off engagements(I'm shooting 500m and out becuase that is what one rifle is designed for). If I'm using my scout, that'll be 100m out. But, then why you worrying. No one is going to invade the US becuase they know every single redneck with a gun is gonna be after whoever it is

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Aug 24 at 2019 2:29 PM

2019-08-24T14:29:39-04:00

Of course. Even if many aren't as effective as they used to be, pulling a trigger, driving a tank and a lot of other jobs can still be done. If we were invaded, we as Medics can do our own damage.

Response by LTC Roger Althoff made Aug 24 at 2019 9:08 PM

2019-08-24T21:08:17-04:00

It depends on the MOS. There are age cutoffs for all MOS's. Very unlikely that I would be recalled, but when I left the military, my recall was up to age 70. During Desert Storm, I remember a neurosurgeon that was called back at age 67 and he had been out for at least 15 years. As a medical unit, we had a number of recalls to active duty, but most were less than 60. My MOS in a war zone is to run 5 intensive care units as a critical care supervisor in a General Hospital. Very few of us Army Nurse Corps completed The Chief Nurse Course and Command & General Staff College. At age 67, I have less than 3 years til 70. However my weight and currently needing a hip replacement would keep me from Active Duty.

Response by SGT Gary Miller made Aug 24 at 2019 9:25 PM

2019-08-24T21:25:51-04:00

I’m 56 years old and been out of the Army since 91. I ready to serve again now.

Response by PV2 Alaina Norman made Aug 24 at 2019 10:12 PM

2019-08-24T22:12:14-04:00

Something my friend who is brother to me and was marine said, we both can get called back if they truly wanted it, I don’t think she matters either and I’m over weight and they can prob put my ass at a desk. So yes It could happen

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2019 10:35 PM

2019-08-24T22:35:51-04:00

Yes, but it takes an act of Congress. I had a patient once that did his 30 years as a JAG officer. Retired then during the peak of the GWOT was recalled to active duty by congress because he was a SME in something they desperately needed.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Aug 25 at 2019 12:10 AM

2019-08-25T00:10:59-04:00

I would be volunteering as soon as they open the doors. Felt the same way on 9/11.

Response by MSgt Steven Harris made Aug 26 at 2019 1:42 AM

2019-08-26T01:42:05-04:00

First off, it is a nine year obligation or at least it was when I retired in 2010. Next I receive a letter every year from DoD stating I can be recalled until I am 62 yrs of age in my special military career field. I am asked what my physical condition is. I am still healthy and capable of passing any of the AF requirements for fitness. It is odd that Americans do not even know the basics about citizens military obligation as though it only applies to certain groups of citizens like the poor uneducated! My generation of soldiers had more higher education than any military before them and it is all volunteers. So the question is a loaded question in which to make people concerned about an executive order of this President. Which seems to be how all things are worded these days in any media. Let's keep the politics out of this supposively helpful resource for all our veterans! Thx

Response by LTC Charles Lauderdale made Aug 26 at 2019 1:44 AM

2019-08-26T01:44:28-04:00

Unless the regulations have changed since 2000, regular army officers not medically disqualified were issued "Hip Pocket Orders" to rapidly bring them back on active duty. Not sure what the current rules are for even them.

Response by PO1 Thomas Witcher made Aug 26 at 2019 3:42 AM

2019-08-26T03:42:58-04:00

been out for 25 years, but there at the line for my country! 11 years in US Navy.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Aug 26 at 2019 1:43 PM

2019-08-26T13:43:47-04:00

I would still serve my Country.

Response by SSG David A made Aug 26 at 2019 8:40 PM

2019-08-26T20:40:16-04:00

If the US is actually being invaded to you really think the infrastructure would exist to pull this off?

Response by Sgt James Gross made Aug 26 at 2019 8:48 PM

2019-08-26T20:48:45-04:00

I believe that the military can call back or draft up to age 35 in the event of a declared war. If our country was being invaded then probably anybody who can still bear arms and defend the country.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Aug 27 at 2019 6:45 AM

2019-08-27T06:45:26-04:00

35 and under yes

Response by SFC James Lahtonen made Aug 27 at 2019 8:40 AM

2019-08-27T08:40:40-04:00

Having read so many of these comments, I do believe that whether organized or not there would be a very strong guerrilla/partisan force to defend the nation. If the Japanese were worried about a man with a gun behind every blade of grass in 1941, imagine what an invader would find today. In the United States of America, we have more than half of all legally owned privately owned firearms in the world. Add to that the amount of ammunition in civilian hands, and I believe that the citizenry could mount a pretty good defense. On that note, for those who would restrict ownership of firearms, if we were the problem with guns, I think you would know it. I have taken that from someone else, but truly believe it, so no that was not MY original thought.(trying to give credit to whomever first wrote that)
Looking at the varied backgrounds of many of the commenters, we could most likely be able to produce and distribute most everything a good defense needs, short of nukes. I really believe that in a situation like the one posed, that America would forget left versus right and come together for the common good. This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I truly do believe in America, and in so that is believing in her people, because that is what we are as a nation.

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made Aug 27 at 2019 10:22 AM

2019-08-27T10:22:19-04:00

Quite frankly, with the way things are going in this country with politicos wanting open borders / no borders, individual cities and states refusing to back ICE & other federal agencies, the coming gun bans as well as the "kappernick types", I don't see this country winning such a war or being able to push back the invaders. Let's face it; states and the fed would probably have American Citizens arrested for fighting off any foreign invaders and the Military Response of both the states and the fed will be a bunch of "UNARMED-Troops" sent to the front for appearances purposes to maybe "frighten-off" the invaders. After that, you will have many American "entitlement types, antifa and muslim types" siding with the invaders. And then of course there will be those Americans who will be too "Offended or holding up their Stress-Cards" that will refuse to fight.

Response by LTC Gary Earls made Aug 27 at 2019 12:27 PM

2019-08-27T12:27:26-04:00

I'm retired reserve. I didn't resign by commission. Someone invades our country, i'm there to fight and destroy the invader.

Response by LTC Frederick McKenzie made Aug 27 at 2019 2:08 PM

2019-08-27T14:08:03-04:00

When POTUS declares a national emergency it provides authority to implement multiple contingency scenarios to include 'stop-loss', IRR activation, and recall authority, especially those who have been separated w/o obligation. The more recent your discharge, the more likely to be recalled sooner. You might enjoy reading AR601-10 (See: http://dopma-ropma.rand.org/pdf/AR601-10.pdf)

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Response by COL John Handy made Aug 27 at 2019 3:59 PM

2019-08-27T15:59:31-04:00

Yes -
1) All retirees, regardless of rank, are on the rolls and are subject to recall. DFAS makes it clear when you cash that first check. However, your recall category change over time due to age.
2) Regardless of veteran status or not, the militia consists of all able-bodied males 17-45 years old who are or intent to be citizens and female citizens who are members of the National Guard. 10 USC 311.
BTW - the IRR obligation has changed over time from 6 to 8 years on initial enlistment.

Response by PFC Wayne Meattey made Aug 27 at 2019 4:02 PM

2019-08-27T16:02:49-04:00

At the start of Desert Storm, thousands of soldiers on IRR were recalled. I did talk to several Joes who had been out for better than 10 years. One guy had been out since Vietnam!

Response by SPC David Buttrey made Aug 28 at 2019 9:16 AM

2019-08-28T09:16:06-04:00

It would probably take an act of Congress which would be nothing more than a formality BUT I am sure most able bodied (and some not so able) veterans would be lining up before the ink dried on the paperwork.

Response by SSgt Frank Lanford made Aug 28 at 2019 10:44 AM

2019-08-28T10:44:30-04:00

I spent 12 years in the Air Force and I am currently an out of shape, middle aged, guy with bad knees, but I once was an Air Force Police, Combat, Blue Beret and Emergency Services Team (SWAT Team) Police Sniper. I may not fit into my old uniforms, nor be able to run and jump like in my 20s, BUT MY Blue Beret still fits my head AND I am still just as good at long range marksmanship (if not better) than when I was a young Military Cop.
I would NOT need to be recalled to stand ready to serve MY Country, as MY Oath of Enlistment has NO Expiration date. As long as I have blood in my veins and air in my lungs I will fight for OUR Nation and OUR Constitution, as I am an American Patriot to the bitter end.
God Bless ALL American Patriots who are willing to answer the call, regardless of their age and limitations.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2019 11:04 AM

2019-08-28T11:04:39-04:00

If we are invaded i hope no one is waiting for official orders.

Red dawn situation

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Aug 28 at 2019 12:23 PM

2019-08-28T12:23:11-04:00

With a stroke of the pen.

Response by SPC Randell Pendley made Aug 28 at 2019 12:24 PM

2019-08-28T12:24:45-04:00

Even though I'm 60 and a Service Connected disabled Vet. If my Country needed me. I would gladly do whatever I could to help. If only a good speed breaker. I'd make a good one because I can't run.

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 28 at 2019 5:51 PM

2019-08-28T17:51:44-04:00

If I can still move I will show up. with or with out orders.

Response by SPC Anna Larson made Aug 28 at 2019 6:57 PM

2019-08-28T18:57:48-04:00

Between 1998-2000, I worked with an individual who was a translator and spoke 4-5 languages. Before he joined our reserve unit, he had been recalled more than 10 times for various amounts of time. His IRR service was over during many of the times he was recalled so he joined the Reserve unit and reclassified as a way to stop being recalled. So the answer is yes they can (could at that time) if the mission requires it.

Response by PO1 Julio G. made Aug 28 at 2019 10:16 PM

2019-08-28T22:16:31-04:00

This is the USA, anything is possible. But I think the approach would be hierarchical. Something like this:
Active duty > Reserves > National Guard > Draft > Fleet Reserve (and whatever the other branches call it) > Volunteer retired veterans.
I can almost guarantee that if doomsday came, most, if not all retired veterans or otherwise discharged honorably, would man post regardless of location but concentrate protection of immediate family first.

Response by SGT Abdel Torres made Aug 28 at 2019 10:43 PM

2019-08-28T22:43:29-04:00

I’m 60, I would not hesitate to take arms again and serve my country. I was proud of my rank Sgt. E-5 promotable and the uniform I wore.

Response by Cpl Ronald Everitt made Aug 29 at 2019 3:01 AM

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From the rumor mill during our #40 POTUS,maybe #41 years is my question just as silly if not sillier the question at hand (of) whose might/law of the land is it to declare what will be for those of us having already served our obligated time though maybe not over age wise hill 45 yet? And FYI this question being posed is by one well past hill 45 so for the asking thank-you while adding my "$.02 about it as well" that (if) if I were to be called up and like the many of us due to health reasons well beyond hill 45 am sure the many of us either trained or not trained for it would expect any next tour of duty be at IC...but anyway working at a question to the spin of thank you for I wouldn't even want to begin to try counting all the so-called amen factors might get from those of us whether just past hill 45 or include that with health situations but yet how many of us that be who are just chomping at the so called bits for getting back into that type of work for when we once served?

Response by LCpl David Laird made Aug 29 at 2019 3:36 AM

2019-08-29T03:36:11-04:00

leagaly i would say no .but moraly of one's self esteem for my self i would offer . but at 68 i doubt that they would attempt to draft me !!!!

Response by LTC A Plymale made Aug 29 at 2019 10:47 AM

2019-08-29T10:47:34-04:00

In 1984, I witnessed a DoD test where Vietnam War Vets were recalled on 90 day orders and given a simulated mission. The test went well. Many enlisted SF soldiers will recall their obligation extends to age 60.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 3:35 PM

2019-08-29T15:35:29-04:00

Check your DD214. It states that we may be subject to Active duty recall. It's rare that it happens but I believe there's a regulation that says after a certain age or circumstances they won't recall you back.

Response by PFC Telesforo Ramirez made Aug 30 at 2019 11:23 AM

2019-08-30T11:23:29-04:00

I agree if we are healthy to serve we have to protect our country no matter what.

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made Aug 30 at 2019 5:05 PM

2019-08-30T17:05:09-04:00

I'd go back in a heart beat even though nuns and priests would be called before me, anyway.

Response by SGM Patrick Kirby made Aug 30 at 2019 9:22 PM

2019-08-30T21:22:02-04:00

Highly unlikely yet you said “ever”, yes.

Response by PO2 Randy Dancer made Aug 30 at 2019 11:19 PM

2019-08-30T23:19:04-04:00

I'll be in line and will bring my own damn weapon if anyone invades.

Response by LTC James Washington made Aug 31 at 2019 3:30 PM

2019-08-31T15:30:48-04:00

It’s my understanding that if you are on the retired list you are retired IN that service and could be mustered in a dire situation.

Response by SFC Timothy Livingston made Sep 2 at 2019 6:03 PM

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Yes there is even standards set to do so.

Response by SFC Louis Chapman made Sep 4 at 2019 11:05 PM

2019-09-04T23:05:44-04:00

I will answer the call any day. This country needs leaders who are willing to serve

Response by MAJ Glenn Nathan made Sep 7 at 2019 3:09 PM

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Not only could they but they did to me in Oct 1990. No need for an act of Congress or an executive order. I was out of IRR, no obligation, and was a 10% disabled veteran at the time. However, since I was an officer that did not resign my commission, it was no problem for the Army to order me back in which they did per Title 10 USC, Paragraph 672(d). I was on the airplane to Saudia Arabia within a week.

Response by MCPO Gary Uzonyi made Sep 13 at 2019 11:28 AM

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Yes. And IAW the Naval Reserve Personnel Manual / Instruction even above the age of 45. Especially in the scenario you describe.

Response by TSgt Ken Vandevoort made Sep 13 at 2019 10:51 PM

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Curtis King did that during the Civil War. He enlisted in Iowa's Greybeard Regiment at age 80. Not bad for a guy that was blind in one eye and could not read or write.

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Sep 13 at 2019 11:20 PM

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I got 5 draft notices in one day. And I was. Med discharge.

Response by 1SG George Kincannon made Sep 14 at 2019 9:45 AM

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If the US was ever engaged in a full scale world war and we needed all the available military age people to deploy, I think it would be a good idea to reactivate all military retired military personnel who are physically capable to serve . I would also suggest reactivating retired personnel over 65 to serve as cadre State side, for military administration and training of new recruits. I'm 72 yrs old and still ready and able to serve whenever and wherever I am needed! Go Army!

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Sep 15 at 2019 3:32 PM

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I received 5 draft notices in the mail in one day, by aviation units at Ft Houston. Does that answer your question? I had been out of the Army for 19 years.

Response by SrA Brett Stratton made Sep 23 at 2019 3:29 PM

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I'm not allowed to re-enlist to the Air Force, otherwise I'd have rejoined the military after my discharge.
If that happened, I'd PRAY this meant I'd be back in the military! I hated my job, but I loved the life, so it balanced out. I'd gladly go back to my old position if it meant I could re-enlist.

Response by CAPT Lyle Brown made Sep 26 at 2019 9:04 AM

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This is the reason a retired officers "pension" is actually called a "Retainer."

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Sep 26 at 2019 9:23 AM

2019-09-26T09:23:05-04:00

If I recall correctly, our military records do not retire until we are 60. Any of us with active files could probably be called up with a stroke of a pen. The President may not have to wait for Congress under the War Powers Act and the Constitution regarding his authority for national defense. Hopefully there is enough young and fit soldiers to carry the flag. If the army is being reconstituted with old fat guys, we are in real trouble.

Response by SPC Darby Alden made Sep 26 at 2019 11:30 AM

2019-09-26T11:30:42-04:00

No need to even ask, I would be on the battle field in and instant.

Response by SFC Charles Daliere made Sep 26 at 2019 12:46 PM

2019-09-26T12:46:36-04:00

Still have a uniform hanging around somewhere, but I don't think I would be much good at 78. Wouldn't mind stateside duty though.

Response by SGT Sidney Cox made Sep 26 at 2019 1:49 PM

2019-09-26T13:49:06-04:00

Don’t the answer to that question but I’m 64 years old right now and I do own guns not a M16 or anything but never the less I took an oath back in 1974 to defend this county from all enemies foreign and domestic and without any one ordering me or telling me. I will defend this country it’s my home and as far as better weapons are concerned there will be plenty of them laying on the ground just pick one up and keep on fighting I realy hope it doesn't come to that

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Sep 26 at 2019 3:21 PM

2019-09-26T15:21:52-04:00

I'm sure most of us who are able would gladly contribute how ever we can without Congress needing to intervene. With that being said, I ain't doing no damn 0500 PT!!

Response by SSG Sylvester Cook made Sep 26 at 2019 11:06 PM

2019-09-26T23:06:19-04:00

You got that right! I’m with you!

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Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Sep 27 at 2019 10:08 AM

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The president could declare an emergency proclamation with congressional approval. If your country needs you; you should be honored to serve.

Response by PO1 John Williams made Sep 27 at 2019 10:15 AM

2019-09-27T10:15:29-04:00

I'm 76 and there are many things I could do to help, such as fly drones, or other administration duties. I wouldn't wait for a request.

Response by CPO Ted Varney made Sep 27 at 2019 2:26 PM

2019-09-27T14:26:52-04:00

After 911 they changed a few things. Re-calls could be done I believe it was Enlisted up to the age of 60, LDO's & Warrants up to 62 & O's up to 65.

Response by SGT Dale Greenly made Sep 27 at 2019 5:46 PM

2019-09-27T17:46:15-04:00

We all received letters when 9/11 happened, even my father who was out of the military for 12 years at the point.

Response by SSG Phillip Bliss made Sep 27 at 2019 7:06 PM

2019-09-27T19:06:57-04:00

No offense but you’re doing your showers wrong!

Response by A1C Frank L. Smith made Sep 28 at 2019 10:18 AM

2019-09-28T10:18:34-04:00

Anytime, have my own weapons and ammo.
Also I have CCL's from 3 states including Illinois.

Response by PVT Genius H Kennard made Sep 28 at 2019 2:34 PM

2019-09-28T14:34:20-04:00

Well I'm 51 so that's out of the question but i would defend this country til my last breath! In my
old M1 Abrams Tank.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Sep 29 at 2019 7:46 PM

2019-09-29T19:46:05-04:00

I would say yes and l am ready if they need me

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Sep 29 at 2019 9:51 PM

2019-09-29T21:51:47-04:00

It seems to me that those who have served would volunteer again if they are able to do so. I'm almost 70 and would volunteer if they would take me. I'm in better shape than many far younger than me

Response by Irene Beni-Terrill made Sep 29 at 2019 9:57 PM

2019-09-29T21:57:13-04:00

Ok so my deceased hubby waded thru the dead bodies floating nearly 1/2 mile away from shore at Nagasaki. Was MP, generals driver, original Gitmo guy from Batista days, was in room @ moon landing ‘69.
There are zealous patriotic answers here to the posted question. I do wonder how many have seen up close combat, not in reference to IED, or distance combat.

Response by SSgt Mose Carter made Sep 30 at 2019 2:27 AM

2019-09-30T02:27:03-04:00

Who in the hell would be crazy enough to attempt such a thing? You are speaking of fiction my friend.

Response by MAJ Terry Mathews made Sep 30 at 2019 5:10 PM

2019-09-30T17:10:04-04:00

Unless it has changed or I am mistaken, you have to ask to be taken off the IRR list. Your name remains on the list otherwise. Let me know if I am incorrect.

Response by MSgt Scott Gaston made Sep 30 at 2019 6:31 PM

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I like your savvy, but why cut it off at 45? I'm 62 and 100%+ T&P Disabled, but can still fire a weapon (and I have a Few). We go to the range regularly. As for your question, you do realize that American Citizens own more Fire Arms than all other nations armies combined at roughly 320,000,000?! Why do you think the Dems look for any excuse to disarm law abiding citizens with Feistiness' office saying that "all service members and Vets should be disarmed once a civilian. Supposedly, we have all been through so much we have to be mentally imbalanced"?! What a crock! We did what we had to or have to for active duty to fulfill our nation's calling and to protect and defend. BTW, you could add about 3-4,000,000 weapons if you add our military (not counting our law enforcement). Don't really think a large scale inversion is on the horizon. Now ISIS Sleeper cells might be a different situation (they want to die anyway) and cowardly choose soft targets like "no carry zones". A good guy with a CWP and Browning High Power 9mm Vigilante or Suppressed Ruger SR-1911 (.45), preferably retired or active LEO or Military is the best defense against that!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2019 8:39 AM

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They could do anything. Emergency powers for conscription. Not sure they would need to. What they would need is some way to centralize and control any would be insurgent force. The national guard. It's more likely that we are annihilated rather than invaded. The only countries capable of mounting assaults would have a better chance of strategically nuking us. I know some S2/G2 out there has a classic template answer, but theirs no way the MPCOA is ever invasion.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Oct 1 at 2019 12:57 PM

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If we get to the point where we need exhaust all of our IRR, then changing a law to bring in those without any military obligation will be the least of our worries.
I am certainly not going to wait to be recalled if Chinese troops are marching into town. You won't even have to issue me a weapon. I will bring my own.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Oct 1 at 2019 1:02 PM

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I have not felt such pride in long time until I read most of the responses here. Thank you all.

Response by SGT Derek Wynne made Oct 1 at 2019 3:36 PM

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I'll be invading the local Walmart for ammo first, because I know I don't have as much ammo as I need to take down as many fuckers as I know I will. #homebuilt #welcometoamericanowpleasedie #willingtodieformycountryareyouwillingtodieinit

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2019 2:46 PM

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Dumbass question

Response by SSG Thomas Hill made Oct 2 at 2019 5:03 PM

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At 63 I might not be able to keep up with the "Young Dogs", but I could sure do my part in the rear! No expiration date on my oath!

Response by TSgt Ralph Schloss made Oct 3 at 2019 2:53 PM

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I believe the answer is yes, but, it would take an act of congress. Personally, go ahead and throw me into that briar patch!

Response by SPC Anthony Zbikowski made Oct 10 at 2019 4:59 PM

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In theory, I would think it possible. All men 17 to 45 are eligible to be called up into military service as they belong tot he reserve (unorganized) militia. See 10 USC Sec 256 (a) and (b)

See also "Army of the United States"

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Response by SPC Anthony Zbikowski made Oct 10 at 2019 4:59 PM

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In theory, I would think it possible. All men 17 to 45 are eligible to be called up into military service as they belong to the reserve (unorganized) militia. See 10 USC Sec 256 (a) and (b)

See also "Army of the United States"

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Oct 11 at 2019 12:21 AM

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Screw the act of clowntown congress. I'm at the local base exchange MCSS, checkbook/debit card in hand, buying my size OCPs and boots. Screw waiting.

Response by SP5 Joseph Ascanio made Oct 11 at 2019 6:06 AM

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No once your obligation is over they can't touch you.

Response by PO1 David Hedenberg made Oct 11 at 2019 9:17 AM

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If that bad day comes I will be at the gate with my own rifle waiting for orders. They can save the stamp.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Oct 15 at 2019 4:31 PM

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While I am a retired Soldier, my first enlistment was in the USN. I was stationed aboard the USS Wisconsin. There were several CPOs that had been recalled from their "retirements" because their skills were needed to make that ancient warship lethal.

Were that sort of emergency on hand, I'm not backing down, but let's be clear: I'm close to fifty with a LOT of miles (and jumps) on my load bearing joints.

And my Retired ID says 2036

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Oct 15 at 2019 5:27 PM

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Give me a left and right limit and I'm good to go. (I might need the back hoe to dig my hole 'cause I might run out of O2 while digging.)

Response by SGT William Benson made Oct 16 at 2019 12:29 PM

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If they have a particularly needed skill... Say (and I'm reaching here) a Gunner's Mate who put the USS New Jersey to mothballs, and they need someone who remembers how to fire the 16 inchers, or the Nike missileer who remembers the firing procedures...
But not for "common" skills like the Infantry...

Response by CPL Kevin Howe made Oct 16 at 2019 12:30 PM

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Yes, and it did for the Korean War - Truman recalled WWII vets with combat experience and skills

Response by SSG James Mielke made Oct 26 at 2019 9:46 PM

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Depends, really.
First of all, in the scenario you are using, IMO any moderately able veteran that would not be chomping at the bit to take the fight to the invaders is basically a coward.
Even if it is just us old MF's that can only shoot from our rocking chairs on the front porch, we still have that 20-something years old boy inside screaming, "Come get some, Mother Fuckers!!"
But more to the point, it would take an act of Congress to order up the forced conscription and a great many press gangs to get the unwilling members of the citizenry, veteran or not, to take up arms (again).

Response by Sgt William Troskey made Oct 31 at 2019 1:24 PM

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I realize that the law is what it is, but remember that "...18 to 45 years of age..." was written when the average life expectancy was what, 50?

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Oct 31 at 2019 6:26 PM

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Don’t worry because in your fictional scenario you won’t be affected by an attack on America. The bad guys don’t make war on civilians you are safe. Sit on the sideline and just watch.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2019 4:18 PM

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Two more points I'd like to make: first, you used the word 'forcibly.' Bad choice. An 'involuntary recall' is what you meant to say, I'm sure. Secondly, when I enlisted in 1969, the length of obligated service was, and I believe still is, eight years in combination of active duty and/or Reserve duty, SRR or IRR.

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made Nov 3 at 2019 11:31 AM

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Ah, but what if the enemy is within? Repressive government suspending all or part of the Bill of Rights, Martial Law, taking of property. And your brothers in arms are tasked with enforcing an ever more repressive government. At this time, I could see that the enemy could possibly come from within. All the jaw boning about rejoining the ranks with your Vietnam ODs and a .45 now has a different spin.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2019 6:26 PM

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They can and there were lots of examples at the beginning of OIF of orders going out to vets some of whom had been out 20 years or more. Lots of those got canceled, but some wound up serving...

But like most on here, someone invades our country, I won't wait for the army to find me

Response by 1SG Tom Carter made Nov 6 at 2019 11:21 AM

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By federal law, the militia is every male who is between 17 and 45 and females who are part of the National Guard. I also believe it is retired servicemebers up to age 60.

Response by Sgt Roger Smith made Nov 6 at 2019 2:38 PM

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If anyone were to invade the USA...I would not need an order much less a law to bring me back to active duty. I wouldn't be of a whole lot of use for front line, but this grumpy old zoomie would do whatever was asked of me...

Response by SPC Greg Burnett made Nov 6 at 2019 7:09 PM

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I think the thing about your question is "Could the law be changed...", in which case, I'd say all bets are off; they'd be making a new law, so it'd be whatever "they" came up with.
I'm guessing you meant something more along the lines of, "Could people that have met their military service obligation be forced back to duty as the law now reads?"
To which I'd say, I really have no flippin' clue; but I'm guessing they'd have to find most of us as we'd already be stacking bodies.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made Nov 6 at 2019 11:50 PM

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In a national emergency(which your question assumes!), anyone and everyone will be subject to a call for service!

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Nov 7 at 2019 5:27 AM

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I'm retired. It's someone else's problem now.

Response by SPC Dale Hodges made Nov 7 at 2019 7:16 AM

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Im 52yr old, my "Contractual Obligation" ended in 1996. But should our soil be invaded by foreign troops, I am not gonna need to be recalled. Ill be there with any of you to defend our way of life, families etc.....

Response by Cpl Jim La Joie made Nov 7 at 2019 12:33 PM

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I think all patriots will defend their homeland, regardless of their draft status. I am 71 yo and I shoot, very well. Of course I would be on the line for my country

Response by PO2 Jeffery Berg made Nov 7 at 2019 12:40 PM

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No questions asked I would be there in half a heartbeat, me and my broken body for this beautiful country forever.

Response by SGT David Jackson made Nov 7 at 2019 9:11 PM

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"Could the law be changed to forcibly call back veterans who have already met their seven year obligation?"
WHAT THE HELL DOES A "SEVEN-YEAR OBLIGATION HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR COUNTRY BEING INVADED? Did the USA quite being my country after seven years were up?
Do I still have ammo and the weapons, will, and ability to use it? My wife, children, and vicious beast of a service dog (see picture) expect me to protect them. I took an emotional vow before my Lord and my God, way before the legal vow I took at the intake center. If the combined standing armed forces are not enough, who among us would just stand there?
Call-backs? We don't need no stinking call-backs!!

Response by SGT Joseph Schmalzel made Nov 7 at 2019 9:43 PM

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Which one of us would even need to be asked. We have the knowledge to help the young guys fight better. Learned more after I got out than when I was in.
Many of us preppers are already on top of it. Living in AZ we are already being invaded.

Response by SGT Joseph Schmalzel made Nov 7 at 2019 9:45 PM

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All of the preps are in order. Just in case you never served more than 8 years be ready. Officers can be recalled back for the duration of their life.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2019 10:12 PM

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Our country is being invaded as we speak. The marxists are here and gaining momentum.

Response by PO3 Thomas Mastrangelo made Nov 8 at 2019 10:55 AM

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If some ahole attempts to invade I won't be waiting for permission.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Nov 8 at 2019 11:33 AM

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My brother, age 50 and retired from the US Army, was recalled to active duty during the first Gulf War. It was anticipated that Saddam's forces would be using chemical warfare and many retirees were recalled, stationed at Ft Meade MD, Ft Lee VA and other installations in and around the general area of Dover DE. Their mission was to escort remains and serve as casualty officers to families. Fortunately, the 'anticipation' was greater than the reality.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Nov 8 at 2019 11:36 AM

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Curious about the nature of the question. Have you completed your obligation? Are you currently in the IRR?

Response by PO2 David Ball made Nov 8 at 2019 2:45 PM

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Note the Federal Retirement Age is 68+ so what does that tell you.. The question should be asked is when is a retirement a real retirement?? (68+)
After all when the Iowa Class Battleships were brought back into service guess who was politely asked to come back into service?? The Retirees who had verifiable service in that class of ship..So until you are above the age of 68 and or no longer able to serve your still able to be called into active service..

Response by CPO James Plunk made Nov 8 at 2019 4:04 PM

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According to the contract everyone signed, you are obligated for thirty years. But as stated above. Let some ass invade the US and I will defend Her till the end. My oath has no expiration date.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Nov 8 at 2019 6:57 PM

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I wish a MoFo would!!!

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Nov 8 at 2019 7:26 PM

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I think the problem is the Federal government. Worry about that.

Response by SGT Todd Lish made Nov 8 at 2019 7:41 PM

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With out a doubt, I would absolutely “Return to Duty”

Response by SGT James Wisejr made Nov 9 at 2019 4:22 PM

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I would do what a few others have commented. They wouldn't have to order me back. I'd find my Brothers and sisters. And join the fight !

Response by CPL David Rasch made Nov 10 at 2019 5:14 AM

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My oath of enlistment(1 Sept. '71) to defend the Constitution has no expiration date. 'nuff said.

Response by CPL Richard Murray made Nov 10 at 2019 8:31 PM

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Like the others who state they will be there no matter what, I would like to think I would be as well, orders or not. However at my age and physical condition I would not be allowed to serve within the armed forces.

That being said, back at the start of Desert Storm I had been out of the service long enough that my total obligation had been met. However I received a letter asking me to voluntarily return as my MOS was critically short. (Non combat position but always critically short!) I went down to discuss this with the recruiter and I agreed to reenlist. I was sent to the MEPS in Boston where I underwent the usual procedures for entry into the Army. I signed all the papers and was just waiting to hear when I would have to report for the refresher basic course when the MEPS Commander came to tell me that I had too many dependents for my rank and they could not accept my enlistment after all.

As far as I know, unless there is an act of Congress saying otherwise, once your enlistment obligation is over, it is over, though under certain circumstances you can return voluntarily.

BTW, I was actually surprised to get two checks in the mail. One for the day I spent as an actual enlistee, and the other for travel expenses to MEPS!

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Nov 10 at 2019 10:31 PM

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With my AFSC 46A3, 46N3E: Critical Nurse, Chief Nurse Executive, I would most surly be recalled. If the SHTF this badly i would report for duty. However once they found out my age, they may reconsider!

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Nov 11 at 2019 1:13 PM

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...Wouldn't REALLY have to ..just hand me a pig ,5 belts and point ,I;LL get there eventually.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2019 2:05 PM

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It depends. If you have been honorably discharged, probably not. If you are retired in the "gray area (Under 60 years old) AND not discharged, you are fair game. Been retired for three years on my end, they can call me back any time.

Reserve and NG Officers who requested a discharge immediately after retirement, are not eligible to recall.

Response by PO2 Joseph Bender made Nov 11 at 2019 6:58 PM

2019-11-11T18:58:38-05:00

My oath to protect the country from enemies both foreign or domestic will never stop. My 1st objective would be to Recon as much real time logistics on our enemy. Too much "scuttlebutt" to start lock and loading. 2nd I would collect enemy strength. Recon weakness in their ranks. 3rd make every move and every shot count. Just a thought.

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made Nov 14 at 2019 12:03 PM

2019-11-14T12:03:43-05:00

That is why I am in the state guard

Response by LT Michaline Schalton made Nov 14 at 2019 4:39 PM

2019-11-14T16:39:10-05:00

I'm pretty sure that as the legislative body of the country, the House and Senate can draft and pass any legislation they want, then send to the President for signature. Since we don't even have a draft anymore, let your imagination run wild thinking of what would be included in that legislation and what the requirements would be for recalling soldiers. Sounds like an interesting chat to have over Thanksgiving Dinner.

However, in the event of an invasion, with current national sentiments, I doubt seriously they'd have to pass anything at all as lines would form immediately to process those returning voluntarily to active duty. I think the bigger problem would be logistics and managing the influx of personnel. JMHO.

Response by SGT Mike Moschkin made Nov 14 at 2019 6:29 PM

2019-11-14T18:29:15-05:00

Hell I am like most guys I maybe 73 now but between my ears I am an Infantryman forever call me what you will but this snowflake knows how to fight a war ! I am ready always ! Everywwere we go people want to know who we are , who we are we are the Infantry, the mighty , mighty Infantry !!!

Response by Sgt Dan Catlin made Nov 15 at 2019 8:35 PM

2019-11-15T20:35:16-05:00

Any law can be changed. Our experience would probably be better used in local militias. But if they called, I'd go ... then they'd probably throw me back anyhow! To old, broke down ... but I was a range coach and could still train 'em to shoot!

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Nov 18 at 2019 4:05 PM

2019-11-18T16:05:16-05:00

I'll worry about that when it is mea knocking at our door.. i won't wait for the IRR to come looking for me..

Response by Sgt Mark F Jindrick made Nov 19 at 2019 5:23 PM

2019-11-19T17:23:54-05:00

Possibly, yes.Probably, no. If things were to that point everyone would be armmed.

Response by SSG Lonny Self made Nov 21 at 2019 5:30 AM

2019-11-21T05:30:03-05:00

well so happens I have some info on that yes , but not even for a dooms day but for critical mos they can bring you out of retirement if it is a critical national interest, I have seen it on a large scale in the 1980 cant say why but I no they did it and why

Response by SSG Lonny Self made Nov 21 at 2019 5:39 AM

2019-11-21T05:39:36-05:00

yes they can and they can pretty much bring you out of retirement as well not just for war , there are rare moments in history , and I know it for fact seen it and why mos related specialist , in my day they had sp7 rank , we had a long war called vet Nam they drafted people back then not to be foot soldier but specialist in there area or mos, instead of contractors wish they would turn that hand of time back , LOL

Response by PO2 Joseph Bender made Nov 21 at 2019 5:20 PM

2019-11-21T17:20:10-05:00

The "Trojan Horse " is already here. President Barrack Obama opened the floodgates of UNDOCUMENTED 750,000+ Syrian Immigrants. The masses are at our border. Do you think that one day 1million South American people said "hey lets gather in strength at the border of the US. But on the way lets pick up the Mexican Central American population." The move was all at once with both territories. This takes planning, coordination, and setting differences aside to obtain millions of people to move North the same week. They are just waiting for the signal. It will be a big signal!! The Border Patrol can't possibly hold the line. We will need to get our troops home to battle this onslaught.

Response by MSgt Michael Ivey made Nov 24 at 2019 1:10 PM

2019-11-24T13:10:09-05:00

Wouldn't do much good to recall retirees that have been retired for for 15 or more years. Out of shape, diabetes and other issue. But, they can call all they want. But, like a lot of others have said, if it gets that bad, I ain't waiting on Uncle Sam to come calling.

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Nov 24 at 2019 4:49 PM

2019-11-24T16:49:55-05:00

At my age and physical problems, I would be a deficit. I would be doing something somewhere, not with a military unit or some off the wall so-called group that trains for those scenarios, or if they wish to overthrow the government for their various reasons. America has lasted and hopefully, this administration will pass and America will return to sanity.

Response by SSG David Angell made Nov 24 at 2019 7:56 PM

2019-11-24T19:56:01-05:00

You don't need a law to be enacted, for veterans to be activated, to preserve the country from foreign invaders.
I would estimate that 99 per cent of all veterans would willing volunteer to re-enter the Military to protect the country.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Nov 27 at 2019 5:46 PM

2019-11-27T17:46:21-05:00

You don't need any fictional doomsday scenario, the government has plans to recall veterans regardless of whether or not they have any IRR obligation. Mobilization plans call for recalling "recently trained" veterans -- many of whom have no IRR obligation.

Early in GWOT, Mobilization Plans included the category RT12, which stands for Recently Trained in last 12 months -- any veteran who was released from active duty in the last twelve months. Later the category RT24 was added, and yes that means exactly what you think - anyone who got out in the past two years.

At the lower enlisted grades, RT12 & RT24 would be people with an IRR obligation, but when you look at the NCO ranks, most would have already completed their entire 6 year "obligated" service and would not be IRR.

As of a few years ago, the last time I was looking dealing with mob plans, they didn't actually have an mechanism to track and notify these "Recently Trained" assets, but the mob plans certainly called for using them, and the service schools had plans for in-processing them, and Programs of Instruction, Training Schedules, and Lesson Plans for conducting a quick refresher training for them. If you think about it, recently discharged junior NCOs are probably the only way to fill skill level 2 and especially skill level 3 positions, that need people who generally have more than six years of service but have not reached retirement.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2019 9:05 AM

2019-11-28T09:05:40-05:00

Could our government be tyrannical... I don't even have to close my eyes to picture that.

Response by PO1 Donald Vinson made Dec 4 at 2019 2:27 AM

2019-12-04T02:27:16-05:00

I already served 22 yrs and been retired for 6 yrs, why not, I have a lot of fight left!!! Let's get it on.

Response by PVT Samuel Martonosi made Dec 4 at 2019 8:47 AM

2019-12-04T08:47:03-05:00

Haven't you been paying attention? The federal government will do whatever they want, when they want. With that being said, why would you wait on them to defend our home land. Lock and load.

Response by Sgt Glen Barnes made Dec 4 at 2019 11:35 AM

2019-12-04T11:35:42-05:00

I’m already locked and loaded.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2019 12:54 PM

2019-12-04T12:54:11-05:00

The way the laws are currently written, I'm pretty sure the government couldn't do that. (Full disclosure: No, I'm not a lawyer, so take that with full pound of salt.) That said, in the dire circumstances you're describing, I'm pretty sure partisan politics would be put aside real quick as laws got changed in record time to meet the threat. However, looking at this thread, I'm not sure that would be necessary.

In an actual invasion, I'd bet that a lot of civilians - or whoever could get a gun - would be volunteering on the front lines to defend their homes and communities. The challenge would be establishing a process to find a useful role for those who were mentally ill, physically unqualified for duty (despite a willing spirit), or would otherwise get friendlys killed in action.

Response by SCPO Melvin Burt made Dec 4 at 2019 2:46 PM

2019-12-04T14:46:03-05:00

I have been retired longer than l served but l am sure that l can still lead a repair. HTCS USN (retired)

Response by MSgt Michael Roberts made Dec 4 at 2019 5:28 PM

2019-12-04T17:28:21-05:00

I'm 68 and I would be in front of the line

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Dec 4 at 2019 10:08 PM

2019-12-04T22:08:46-05:00

That's why there are over 100 million armed patriots ready and willing to lock and load. And a good many of them are ex military. Besides no matter which direction they would come from, the Navy and Air Force would already have the situation under control. It would make for a good movie.... Lets call it "Red Dawn 2" .

Response by SSG Jacen Black made Dec 5 at 2019 12:28 PM

2019-12-05T12:28:11-05:00

I work better in smaller groups without al the bullshit. I'll fight the fight, but I'm not up for the orders anymore.

Response by SGT Mark Comfort made Dec 5 at 2019 4:20 PM

2019-12-05T16:20:10-05:00

Dibs on the Ma Deuce. Pretty sure I still have a set of timing/headspace keys somewhere. DOL!

Response by TSgt Alfonso DeCarlo made Dec 5 at 2019 5:37 PM

2019-12-05T17:37:35-05:00

I will defend my country no matter how old I am

Response by SFC Johnny Robertson made Dec 5 at 2019 8:05 PM

2019-12-05T20:05:30-05:00

The real question is, "who is ready for battle no matter what, if needed, to go anywhere, anytime, for any reason!

Response by SP5 Clyde Carlile made Dec 7 at 2019 2:18 AM

2019-12-07T02:18:41-05:00

I am over 45 and I wouldn't need to be called up. I may not be able to fight but I can drive truck or do something similar for support of those fighting.

Response by PO2 Christopher A. made Dec 7 at 2019 8:50 AM

2019-12-07T08:50:54-05:00

If us old guys were called up they would be wasting their time. I’m fat, one of my shoulders doesn’t work, i would need a trifocal optic on my rifle to hit anything, and the list goes on. However, if some foreign power was lucky enough to invade this country I wouldn’t need to be caked up. I’m sure their would be plenty of irregular guerilla organizations forming. I would join one of them.

Response by Sgt Anthony Leverington made Dec 7 at 2019 10:43 AM

2019-12-07T10:43:43-05:00

They wouldn't need to recall me, I'd volunteer. Give me a sniper rifle, plenty of ammo, a spotter and some snacks. Then, place me at a good vantage point and I'll be just fine.

Response by SPC Carlos Ransom Sr. made Dec 7 at 2019 2:21 PM

2019-12-07T14:21:40-05:00

No need to ask me to come back and i'm 50 years old. Just pass me my combat loadout, parachute and op order.

Response by SGT Brenden Lee made Dec 7 at 2019 9:52 PM

2019-12-07T21:52:14-05:00

One would think experience over youth would be preferable but I doubt that would be the case. The government doesn't think like adults, haha!! Seriously though, if it came down to it, if it was on U.S. soil, there possibly could be a recall of Veterans under a certain age. It would make good sense, again, sense and military are two mutually exclusive words. Just my opinion but it would help build a strong backbone as long as those brought in are easy to mold to the military's standards and aren't too bullheaded to conform.

Response by SGT Jeremy Cribb made Dec 7 at 2019 10:06 PM

2019-12-07T22:06:50-05:00

The government won’t have to find me, I will find the nearest outpost offering my assistance. I wouldn’t care if I was needed to be a cook or doing grunt work, neither of which I’m seasoned at but not incapable of learning.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2019 10:37 PM

2019-12-07T22:37:52-05:00

I’m not certain the length of time; however, WW2 or Korea Vets were brought back when the battleships were taken out of the mothball fleet in the 80’s.

Response by Sgt Robert Womack made Dec 8 at 2019 3:02 AM

2019-12-08T03:02:14-05:00

We would met them at the shore with the weapons we have at home...that is if the powers that be don't take them away from us..I guess then we met them the the guns we take away from falling military or failing police

Response by PO1 Anthony Sam made Dec 8 at 2019 1:00 PM

2019-12-08T13:00:45-05:00

I'm 60 & I have a Total left hip replacement & a Double Total Knee Replacement I was put on the Retired list Oct 2008 I really don't think that's going to happen 8n my case.

Response by SPC Juanita Anderson made Dec 8 at 2019 6:25 PM

2019-12-08T18:25:06-05:00

As a older veteran. I can say there is no end date on our papers. We are not dead yet.
However during desert storm they recalled a senior vet he was 72 due to his mos

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 9:16 PM

2019-12-08T21:16:58-05:00

Well no but you have to form a guerilla force or an auxiliary unit or some sort.

Response by HN LaSharon Perez made Dec 8 at 2019 10:32 PM

2019-12-08T22:32:39-05:00

If it ever got that real, no matter my age or conditions, I would find my way to go out and fix and stitch them with my side arm in tow.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 9 at 2019 2:03 AM

2019-12-09T02:03:08-05:00

Sp.4 Byron Skinner….Yes they Congress can enact a general call ip for service in the military of MEN of any age. To the best of my knowledge this law was never used, but was on OK’ed by Congress in the Civil War but I’m not sure it was ever enforced. Lincoln did have the right to call up any male under union control. They were required to take the oath to the United States Constitution.

Response by SGT Lewis Ray Rains made Dec 9 at 2019 2:25 AM

2019-12-09T02:25:56-05:00

I'm 72 years old, but in a situation such as that, whatever, whenever, however, I could be of use, Damn Right, I'd go! There was/is no time limit on my Oath to Serve my Country!!!

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Dec 9 at 2019 12:10 PM

2019-12-09T12:10:26-05:00

Probably couldn't make it from the hooch to the chow hall,but I have a fine sniper vantage point from my balcony.

Response by SPC Stiv ChenRobbins made Dec 9 at 2019 3:21 PM

2019-12-09T15:21:19-05:00

I reckon it would take an act of Congress. That said, I hope we are never in such bad trouble that they need to call up a diabetic old fella like me... but I would be there in a heartbeat if they need me.

Response by LTC Christopher Hills made Dec 9 at 2019 4:04 PM

2019-12-09T16:04:54-05:00

I am positive that if there was a serious military threat to the US, most vets would willingly do whatever was required to defend their country. that said, there are a number of factors involved with "recall". without digging into current regs, I can say retired, medicalled or medically retired and seperated vets all would be handled differently. The military can and have recalled retired personel back to active duty without their wanting it. during the gulf war, retired folks showed up and several assigned to our compound were not happy to have been recalled. I also remember the John Walker spy case. He was recalled to active duty 10 years after retiring to be charged with his role in the spy ring. I also have a friend that had been retired 7 years when he was called back into uniform in '06. That said, those medicalled or medically retired, in theory, are unfit for duty (thus the medical) and thus can not be recalled. I was medicalled out after somalia (my 7th deployment), after 9/11 I did everything I could to get back in and had the support of my old commander (by then a general) to get me back on active duty. it literally is not possible with the current regs and laws. final note, those who ETS'd from the military. I suspect that the government could call you back if they so chose. I knew guys who served in WWII but were recalled for korea without consent. If our country was at risk, it would be expected that you would do your part. but, I'm an old paratrooper, perhaps we have a different mindset. whether they want me or not, I'm doing my part if the enemy puts my friends and family at risk.

Response by SGT Charles Sullivan made Dec 9 at 2019 7:17 PM

2019-12-09T19:17:16-05:00

like they said locked and loaded going to protect my land

Response by Cpl Tomas Vandiver made Dec 10 at 2019 7:08 PM

2019-12-10T19:08:00-05:00

Once a MARINE always a MARINE! At age 81 I am ready with my US Rifle M-1 !

Response by SSG William Howard made Dec 12 at 2019 4:08 PM

2019-12-12T16:08:09-05:00

POISONED BY GOV WHILE IN ARMY/I TRUST THEM NO LONGER.

Response by Cpl Mark Oresko made Dec 13 at 2019 6:37 PM

2019-12-13T18:37:30-05:00

No. Especially if you are no longer fit for duty. This sounds like a way someone might scare someone into providing information to steal identities. If anyone’s contacting you report it to the cops.

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Dec 16 at 2019 12:49 AM

2019-12-16T00:49:02-05:00

Well at 75, I doubt they want me pointing a weapon anywhere... But yes if we were actually invaded, I have some sharp steak knives....

Response by SPC Brian Blaney made Dec 21 at 2019 7:18 PM

2019-12-21T19:18:36-05:00

In that scenario MANY of us will be there, without orders. I might not be nearly as fir as I was 30 years ago, but I can shoot and obey orders pretty damn well.

Response by SPC Julio L R. made Dec 26 at 2019 9:13 AM

2019-12-26T09:13:23-05:00

And that is why we have freedom to bear arms.

Response by SPC Angel L Marcano made Dec 28 at 2019 10:37 PM

2019-12-28T22:37:28-05:00

Laws can always be changed , specifically in case of national emergency.But l think veterans would go in drove to defend their country even if they are over 45 years old.l would have my kids and grandkids armed to their teeth if we were invaded. For those who have had served their obligation ,l think they would be proud to defend again. "Give me freedom or give me death !"

Response by A1C Debby McCuistion made Dec 30 at 2019 9:10 AM

2019-12-30T09:10:51-05:00

Not coming on my countries ground!

Response by SFC Kenny Cockrum made Dec 31 at 2019 9:07 PM

2019-12-31T21:07:39-05:00

I'm 66, so not as fast on my feet as I once was. That said, no order would be needed to get me to volunteer my help. After military retirement, I worked 21 more years in logistics for DOD. I would love to help out any way I could.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2020 10:00 AM

2020-01-04T10:00:11-05:00

I'll tell you, boys...way it's starting to look in Iraq after taking out Soleimani, we might get our chance in the not-too-distant future. I'm ready for some unfinished business!!!

Response by SPC Jesse Staha made Jan 7 at 2020 6:27 AM

2020-01-07T06:27:33-05:00

The "honorable" a--holes in congress would most definitely find any way to keep themselves and their kin out of harms way... so probably.
Also, the minimum commitment is 8 years from the day you raise your hand and take the oath, not 7 years.

Response by 1SG Terry Kiggins made Jan 9 at 2020 8:52 PM

2020-01-09T20:52:59-05:00

I’m a retired Army 1SG, been retired since 2001. I have not been relieved of the oath I freely gave and accepted to protect and defend this country from ALL enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC. Talking with other retirees and others who have served, there’s more of us out there than our brothers and sisters currently serving will ever know about. We have your back jack!!!

Response by PO3 Paul Lowrey made Jan 13 at 2020 5:43 AM

2020-01-13T05:43:41-05:00

I hate to politicize your thought because I know it's sincere but what comes to my mind is how many people would have their heads stuck in the sand. They're not going to be much help. This is why our Second Amendment is so important. You can't stop bullets with a switch. I'm a Combat Veteran of the Vietnam war so I'm pretty old but I'm still locked and loaded and believe that our precious Country is still worth fighting for. You wouldn't have to call me I think I would already be there. I hope and pray that my fellow Americans that was never in the Military feel the same way.

Response by SrA John Johnson made Jan 14 at 2020 3:33 PM

2020-01-14T15:33:59-05:00

No waiting for me to be called up I’m in and would make myself available to whatever is needed of me.

Response by SSG John Mercer made Jan 22 at 2020 5:47 PM

2020-01-22T17:47:37-05:00

Why limit it to the folks under 45? I may have a stove-in back so I can't "run through the jungle" any more, but I can still teach Land Navigation, Artillery Direct-lay and FDC without using FADAC's grandson, and basic marksmanship. while the youngsters take care of running them down...

Response by SP5 Ron Rowland made Jan 23 at 2020 7:10 PM

2020-01-23T19:10:35-05:00

I am ready at age 74! It is not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.

Response by SP5 Ron Rowland made Jan 23 at 2020 7:13 PM

2020-01-23T19:13:03-05:00

I'm ready at age 74! It is not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog that counts.

Response by MAJ Lee Goehl made Jan 27 at 2020 12:46 AM

2020-01-27T00:46:32-05:00

Yes and it would also depend on your civilian occupation. Some MOS are short on a good day let alone if the S**t hits ghe fan.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2020 11:26 AM

2020-02-03T11:26:25-05:00

In an actually doomsday scenario - as in the SHTF scenario, you will have to assume the federal government has been absolved and what is left are the States... In that case, the militia will be activated and based on your state, those above 16 and under a certain age would be required to "muster". Just an FYI, I joined the NG (The Organized Militia) at 43 with a 19yr break from active duty. Once you meet an "obligation", you are no longer "obligated" and will not be called up.

Response by SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez made Feb 8 at 2020 1:08 AM

2020-02-08T01:08:26-05:00

In a national emergency, Retirees who spend at least 20 years in the military and draw retired pay can be recalled to active-duty service for life. They return with full pay and allowances and to the rank they retired with. Also, retirees can be recalled for an indefinite time period. They are called according to several priority categories such as those who are not disabled, younger than 60 and retired fewer than five years, followed by those retired more than five years and then by disabled and non-disabled retirees of all ages and retirement dates. But some policies are based on the branch of service and enlisted/officer status. Also, the recall to active duty depends on the demand for a retiree’s skills needed during a national emergency. In 2017, President Donald Trump issued an executive order amending President George W. Bush’s executive order issued on Sept. 14, 2001 expanding federal authority to recall retired service members to active duty. But all active duty and reserves would have to be seriously diminished or stretched extremely thin for this to occur. As long as there are enough new people coming into service veterans shouldn't need to worry. Unless another Pearl Harbor happens or North Korea takes out South Korea at the same time Iran attacks troops in the middle east and Russia and China join forces and attacks both coasts. But after Pearl Harbor the Navy learned not to keep all it's eggs in one basket. And we have a President who has the balls to deal with North Korea, Iran, Russia, and China before they can do us any real harm.

Response by PFC Anthony Bruce made Feb 9 at 2020 6:34 PM

2020-02-09T18:34:03-05:00

I read somewhere else that those of us under 65 would be called back before the draft was instituted again. If that is offical or not I couldn't verify. But as someone else said if they invaded our country why wait. I would be pounding down a recruiter's door to sign up willingly.

Response by SSG Vincent Wilson made Feb 20 at 2020 10:38 PM

2020-02-20T22:38:42-05:00

I think the better question is, could they stop us old farts from showing up?

Response by SPC Sean Martin made Feb 23 at 2020 12:23 PM

2020-02-23T12:23:02-05:00

It's the GOVERNMENT, and I feel like they could do pretty much whatever they want to or what they think is in the best interests of the country in that kind of situation. For me... I am a United States Army Veteran and my enlistment oath has NO EXPIRATION DATE!

Response by MAJ Gerald Hansen made Feb 24 at 2020 3:37 PM

2020-02-24T15:37:19-05:00

During the time of Desert Storm we had guys who AWOLed out they were called because they didn’t serve there obligation. No to reserves, active duty

Response by SGT Abdel Torres made Mar 1 at 2020 2:54 PM

2020-03-01T14:54:17-05:00

Don’t know the answer but at my 61 years I’m ready and will, I can still keep up, so far...lol but I’ll be more than willing to serve and protect my country.

Response by Sgt Ronald Paden made Mar 2 at 2020 1:37 PM

2020-03-02T13:37:01-05:00

..............I’m 65 and disabled that being said I am trained up and ready to fight for this country ,against all enemies Foreign & Domestic. I don’t think there will ever be the need force anyone to re-enlist. The love of country will fill the ranks.

Response by PO2 George Cicotte made Mar 2 at 2020 6:34 PM

2020-03-02T18:34:27-05:00

The original answers cover the concept. As a complementary observation, however, I would turn your attention to the paraphrased quote attributed to Harvard-educated Admiral Yamamoto, in expressing his concern that to actually win against the USA would require taking the war all the way to Washington DC:
"If we invade the mainland of the United States, we may see a rifle behind every blade of grass."
The quote has been "debunked" only in that a literal word-for-word translation isn't technically possible between character-based and symbol-based languages.

Response by SSG Kenneth Huhn Jr made Nov 18 at 2020 10:51 PM

2020-11-18T22:51:05-05:00

Generally, the active reservist -- those who are in the Guard and Reserve in a drilling status -- get called first, then the IRR, then those who left active duty within the last five years, then those under age 60.