CSM sentenced for wearing/claiming fake medals. What do you think of his penalty?

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:13:40 -0500

So I was perusing Army Times and saw this little Gem:

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months

From the article:

Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.

Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?

I will reserve my comments for now.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Nov 2 at 2014 11:20 AM

CW2 Joseph Evans — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:20:09 -0500

I really do hate this "leniency for my family" plea that gets handed out like candy to seniors. He screwed the pooch and his recommendation if it had been one of his subordinates over the years would have been to throw the book at him.
He needed to lose everything to send the message that "owning up" at the sentencing is too late to accept responsibility for something you never should have done.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 1:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:07:39 -0500

Six months??? SIX months? Unacceptable. He should have received much more than that. He has completely dishonored the uniform as well as the trust imparted on him. What do we say to those Soldiers, enlisted and officer, who served with him and respected him for his guidance and counsel? How about those who looked up to him as a mentor? I do feel sorry for his family who is collateral damage for his highly deceptive actions.

In my opinion, his family should get a little bit of help to reestablish themselves while he should be demoted to PVT, get a dishonorable discharge and serve at least ten years in jail.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 1:35 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:35:08 -0500

I think that he got off light. If it had been me I'm sure that the sentence would have been stiffer, with no regard to my family. He was pretending to be something that he wasn't it is disgusting and takes away from everything that we stand for in the Army, completely against the Army values on a whole.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 1:36 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:36:35 -0500

Good question, SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member. I am voting "Too Harsh" because I think the Army should have demoted the CSM, maybe fined him, and allowed him to retire. He certainly displayed very poor judgment, but jail time for wearing un-earned awards and lying about them? I'm thinking that's a harsh punishment. I will say that it certainly sends a message to the force about this sort of behavior. A logical question would be ... would the punishment be the same for a GO or a Colonel. I hope so.

Response by SPC Fred Lytge made Nov 2 at 2014 1:44 PM

SPC Fred Lytge — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:44:51 -0500

I have a real problem with "fakers"...I even have a brother who claims he was in the "moge" during black hawk down and was Special Forces and a Ranger. He has all but dis-owned me for calling him out. He even went as far as a full blown argument about that "arrowhead-sword-and lightening bolt", (Special Forces)..was a cemical weapons specialist unit patch,...haha..I hate that he does this and I just want him to come clean on it..any advice as to what I can do about it?..

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 1:53 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:53:31 -0500

I feel the sentence was appropriate. Unless I'm mistaken, with the reduction to SSG, he automatically surppasses the retention point for SSGs and will begin automatic retirrement processing; part of the current drawdown.

The automatic beginning of out processing would have began regardless of any rank he was reduced too. As a CSM his time in service had already exceeded the retention point for all ranks below E9.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Nov 2 at 2014 1:55 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:55:53 -0500

Prison is not the place for idiots like this. They deserve an old fashioned defrocking - stand them up in front of a formation, pull off their rank and cover and throw them to the ground then send them and their career packing. If this ass-wipe cared about his family he should have kept his integrity in tact for their sake, not use them as tools during his trial and sentencing. Under UCMJ there should be a standard punishment for this type of offense, regardless of rank. No way should anyone be allowed to keep their full retirement benefits at their current rank. Active SMs posing, IMHO is the worst type of crime as it insults everyone in uniform.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 2:00 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 14:00:23 -0500

I think he got what he deserved. It's one thing when someone who never served goes to the surplus store and gets all PX Rangered up, it is totally different when someone in our ranks does it. He served, he should know what that uniform means and what those awards mean to the people that really earned them.

Response by SSG Stephen Arnold made Nov 2 at 2014 2:16 PM

SSG Stephen Arnold — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 14:16:42 -0500

Whoa...3 pay grades?

What a stupid thing to do, especially for someone who has reached the pinnacle of a career.

Response by PO2 Jonathan Scharff made Nov 2 at 2014 2:48 PM

PO2 Jonathan Scharff — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 14:48:08 -0500

I wouldn't have gone for more prison time, but I would have busted him down to Pvt. Come on a CSM??? At what point is someone supposed to know better. These are the examples of NCO's to our young men and women serving, or at least they are supposed to be.

I will never understand this. At what point does someone start perusing the web for metals to spruce up their uniform? I mean come on! This isn't Walmart. I can't imagine even "shopping" for metals let alone ordering them...then wearing them! Especially when you are a CSM! You know he has a bunch of metals already. That isn't enough?

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 3:54 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 15:54:03 -0500

I would say its fair. I would advocate a harsher sentence if he was wearing valor awards like the Silver Star, etc.. He will have to live with what he has done for the rest of his life and know that he spent time in a prison over something completely avoidable.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 4:26 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 16:26:47 -0500

Are you kidding me? He wore fake badges. I've seen people make false statements and ruin careers and get nothing. Demote him and retire him a SSG. But giving him jail time over this is dumb. I know there are a lot of people out there doing things like this, but jail time is too much. I'm sure he has done some great stuff in his past. Pencil pushing garbage! It's all of us that make a big deal about badges. A badge or award doesn't make you a great leader!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 4:56 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 16:56:30 -0500

Sad decision he made as CSM

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Nov 2 at 2014 6:27 PM

CMSgt James Nolan — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:27:44 -0500

Why would he do that? I just don't get it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 6:57 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:57:58 -0500

Honor, respect, and integrity. Three Army Values that he disregarded. How can I, someone who has recited the Soldier's Creed too many times to count, think that his punishment was too harsh? He was a CSM, he should be the standard for every soldier and does something like this? He is belittling the service of every soldier who has earned what he stole and he damages the image of the military we all serve in.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 7:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 19:42:51 -0500

I think the sentence was just right. Now I'm curious to see what happens to the LTC who was in charge of the NG Warrior Training Center and wearing unauthorized Ranger and Sapper tabs.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 8:00 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 20:00:45 -0500

As a CSM he was fully aware of what he was doing. His actions, while many might think it a minor issue, are actually more heinous because of his rank and position. Officers and Senior NCO's are held to higher standards, thus punishment should also be more stringent and greater for any and all offences.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Nov 2 at 2014 8:28 PM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 20:28:50 -0500

He should of not gotten prison time. That is just ridiculous. What he should of gotten was reduced to E-1 and a dishonorable discharge. Reduced to SSG? "leniency for my family"? How about eff you! How about you LIVING the Army values everyday, even when no one is looking. How about remembering the Creed of the NCO? Please correct me if I am wrong, but since he didn't get a bad conduct discharge, won't he still collect the E-9 pension if he held that rank for at least three years? I will bet you a Junior enlisted Soldier wouldn't have gotten a break! Not to mention, he had a great career, he rose through the ranks and became a CSM...the senior adviser at Walter Reed. This is crazy...

Response by SFC Vernon McNabb made Nov 2 at 2014 9:00 PM

SFC Vernon McNabb — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:00:31 -0500

Reduction in rank should be less than SGT. He should not be allowed to lead anybody with this measure of gross misconduct. As an NCO he will be able to have influence over Soldiers, and I firmly believe he should not be allowed that privilege.

On a separate note, he should not be allowed to retire as a CSM either.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 9:15 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:15:21 -0500

I believe it was a little harsh to serve jail time. He was an idiot and was a disgrace to the uniform. But he should only be relieved of command reduced in rank with forfeiture of pay. It amazes me that one would ruin what appeared to be a distinguished career up to that point.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 9:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:29:28 -0500

He got what he deserved, just right he can still retire as a staff sergeant.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Nov 2 at 2014 9:44 PM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:44:31 -0500

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member Thank you for sharing this. It seems, especially as a CSM, you should know better. Scratch that. He KNEW better and this was an intentional act. Lets see, reduction to E-6, but, please correct if I am wrong, he retires with his high three base pay percentage after release from confinement. Since he is receiving an honorable or general under honorable conditions discharge he will also be eligible for VA benefits.

Not nearly enough punishment for disgracing the Army, tarnishing the image of all who serve honorably, and hurting his Soldiers and his family.

Response by Cpl Christopher Allen-Shinn made Nov 2 at 2014 10:43 PM

Cpl Christopher Allen-Shinn — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 22:43:23 -0500

Very poor conduct for a CSM. The demotion to SSG will hit him in the wallet on his retirement, as it should. The judge could have gone further with the imposition of the BCD as recommended by the prosecutor, but I think that the demotion and obvious moral censure was probably just in this case. The fact that he did it under the nose of a colonel who had earned the Medal of Honor demonstrates that he has no shame!

Response by SGT Jamie Jackson made Nov 2 at 2014 11:10 PM

SGT Jamie Jackson — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 23:10:42 -0500

At the rank of CSM he knew what he was doing and with disregard to time served and the morals and values taught along the way in all the NCOES and daily grind he went through....he is a disgrace as a leader!

Response by SPC Timothy Durette made Nov 3 at 2014 12:38 AM

SPC Timothy Durette — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:38:22 -0500

if privates and lower enlisted receive harsh punishment for cases that qualify to the crimes then why is that someone of his rank have the same for him

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 4:05 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 04:05:55 -0500

I waffled between just right and not enough. With the jail time for something like this it seems to be just right in my opinion, but the reduction only to SSG and being allowed to recieve his retirement. Give me a break. At some point we have to stop coddling senior leaders and they have to do their job right or get kicked to the curb.

Response by SFC Guy Quinn made Nov 3 at 2014 7:10 AM

SFC Guy Quinn — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:10:29 -0500

They should have fired all guns!!
It makes me sick to see senior NCOs do crap like this, then to get off with nothing. Where are the standards people? They should scrub his whole record and allow him VA benefits ONLY and do it VERY publicly.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 8:03 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 08:03:03 -0500

SSG Crump was a straight up tool who ruined many careers! He should have been demoted to PVT and given a Bad Conduct Discharge after at least 36 month's in confinement. The United States Army should have went back and null and voided the centralized promotion board's he sat and reconvened them with an objective panel from an outside CMF...he was no CSM or SGM and he retired as a junior NCO which was not punishment enough for this piece of work tic turd!

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Nov 3 at 2014 8:37 AM

MSG Floyd Williams — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 08:37:05 -0500

The cost is high trying to live out a fantasy, being reduced from E-9 to E-6 sounds about right. If this soldier have a family, it will truly affect the whole household financially.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 9:01 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:01:25 -0500

First I voted that this was Just Right.

However,

I think that this CSM having been given a demotion to E6 would not have happened prior to 9/11. Look back at former SMA McKinney as an example. He was charged with Sexual Harassment and Obstruction of Justice among other things, and was demoted to E8 and allowed to retire (Note* He was acquitted on the sexual harassment charge).

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Nov 3 at 2014 9:45 AM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:45:02 -0500

I certainly think that what he did was disgraceful and he should have been punished, however, I do not think that it warranted jail time. He should have been demoted and made to retire. The disgrace he suffered is also punishment.

I also do not think it appropriate to make him do a "perp walk" as pictured. While I assume that picture was taken after he was sentenced and, therefore, he was technically a prisoner, I doubt he was a "flight risk". If there was a need to have him handcuffed and taken out to a waiting vehicle, it should have been done in private. If not possible, at least the SGM rank on his uniform should have been removed. As pictured, it sheds a bad light not only on him, but on the Army and NCO Corps, as well.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 9:50 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:50:28 -0500

I say that he didn't need to go to prison but I'm thinking that his career should have been over. How about the Marines just tanking Sergeant Major Archie's career for a minor altercation with a protester? Hell he didn't even go to court and his career was over. This guy should have been discharged.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 9:51 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:51:26 -0500

If I was king for a day, I agree with MAJ Petrarca,

Stand them up in front of the entire group, defrock, and explain to them that it is pathetic, a disgrace, and there is no need for a CSM to be a PX Ranger.

I d sink him...through and through.
Worst part is that he is supposed to be an example for all, and he KNOWS better.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 10:39 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:39:09 -0500

If this would have been anyone else they would have been reduced to PVT. and received a BCD. He should be lucky it got what he did. But I still don't think it was enough. He dishonored the very uniform that we as Soldiers wear an defend everyday. If I remember right he also claimed these awards in his Army Resume (Bio) post at Walter Reed website and one he had at the SGM Acamdy.

Response by SGT Steve Vincent made Nov 3 at 2014 11:18 AM

SGT Steve Vincent — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:18:19 -0500

I believe that his punishment should have been a demotion in rank to PVT, 6 months confinement, and a dishonorable discharge. I don't care how many years you served; if you lied your ass off and broke military law to further your career, you should have everything stripped from you. To have this sorry excuse for a senior enlisted man be able to get off without a dishonorable, it boggles the mind. Not only did he use deception to improve his position/standing, he took a dump and then wiped his rear with the NCO Creed. If I had been that judge, when he trotted his family in and then took the stand to argue for leniency, because of the damage his actions would case to them, I would have looked right at his family members and told them he did all of that, and he is the sole person responsible for the repercussions. Then I would have stripped him of his rank and had him hauled away in handcuffs. This is what happens when you lower standards of ethics, morality, and intelligence, in the military. What a "leader"...

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 11:45 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:45:05 -0500

He could of lost it all with no reiterment as well. Just dont understand the thinking behind it all. I know it is conf=using sometimes but why fake it if you "dont know".

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Nov 3 at 2014 12:43 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 12:43:38 -0500

As a CSM and leading troops his wasn't following the lead by example that the CSM was putting out to his NCO's. If Private Snuffy gets in trouble for it why shouldn't he. Why is a CSM different than a civilian? He defiantly knows better. That's why we have records briefs. If we where to do this as JR NCO's or lower enlisted then we would be roasted and on every detail the CSM could find.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 12:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 12:55:01 -0500

I am not defending his actions but 6 months of jail for wearing unauthorized badges? What about those senior leaders that been in the news lately for sexual assault and things like that and they get to retire quietly? Or that full bird that was using tdy money to parade his mistress everywhere and lost one rank? Usually the enlisted leaders seem to be the ones getting hammered while the officers just lose some money but get to keep everything else for worse crimes.

Response by MSG Greg Murry made Nov 3 at 2014 1:05 PM

MSG Greg Murry — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:05:21 -0500

Lots of people wear ribbons they didn't earn but they have orders. The division commander of the Americal Division was reduced one grade for covering up the My Lai Massacre.

Response by Col Jincy Hayes made Nov 3 at 2014 1:51 PM

Col Jincy Hayes — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:51:15 -0500

Confining him doesn't make sense. WHat will that do for the military? Bust him, and let him retire with his new grade. Maybe bust him 2 grades. I have to hold this joker to a higher standard. He was a career military SNCO and he knew better. A CSM with something to prove, perhaps? We don't need him in the military. And while I have your attention, leniency for the family? Are you kidding me? Let's look at the drug dealers or corporate thieves. Leniency for them because they have 10 kids or a wife/husband who likes to shop somewhere besides WalMart? Throw the book at the guy and tell his family how to apply for welfare. That sounds harsh, but they ALL knew better. They just didn't think they would ever be held accountable.

Response by SSgt Tim Ricci made Nov 3 at 2014 1:52 PM

SSgt Tim Ricci — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:52:44 -0500

Big Chicken Dinner!!!!

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Nov 3 at 2014 2:55 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 14:55:53 -0500

They can hammer you pretty good if they bust you while your still in. For some stupid reason once you get out it becomes "Freedom of Expression" thing that you can lie your ass off. Considering what I've seen in the past it would seem a bit Harsh but I would say it is about right. As a Past Master at Arms I was always struck by the "Fairness Doctrine" in Military Law. Can you imagine if the Civilians had that and how it would be abused by Criminals. Not that I'm bitching, I was very proud of that "Fairness Doctrine".

Response by PO1 Michael Fullmer made Nov 3 at 2014 2:55 PM

PO1 Michael Fullmer — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 14:55:18 -0500

Without knowing the ENTIRE scope of this case, and having only what is posted in the article, how can anyone decide whether the punishment is to much or not enough?
If/when the whole story is revealed, perhaps then the opinion(s) regarding the sentence may be taken into consideration.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Nov 3 at 2014 3:06 PM

SGT Ben Keen — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:06:17 -0500

This is really a double-edge sword here. Was the punishment too hard, just right or not enough? That's hard to answer. He was a Senior NCO. He knew better. He was fully aware of what he was doing and what the regulations said. However, as we have seen in the past, civilians are spotted wearing uniforms, medals, and patches they never earned and most of the time they end up getting away with nothing. Sure in some cases, the person is sentenced to jail but the charges normally are for Fraud, or something like that; not the wear of the unearned awards.

A question about the article that I'm seeking clarification on. In the article it states that he wore a AFEM with Arrowhead device which they say means he did a combat jump into Grenada. I though the Arrowhead device meant you were part of a beach landing operation as part of an Expeditionary unit. Does the device also cover those that completed a combat jump? I thought that was the whole point of having the stars on jump wings.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 3:17 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:17:36 -0500

I don't understand why someone in his position would do this?

Response by SSG David Fahy made Nov 3 at 2014 3:15 PM

SSG David Fahy — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:15:59 -0500

They should have reduced his rank, pay grade then restricted him to the unit area for 45 days and then receive a dishonorable discharge. They should set and maintain the standards for everyone in the military from the top to the bottom! Having served my time and seeing the way the military does things, it's surprising they did this to him, usually they just reassign them or allow the senior enlisted or senior officer to retire. The chain of command uses the UCMJ to their advantage. They tell the lower enlisted that it is law and the seniors when they get caught breaking the rules, it's only a guide line.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 5:13 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:13:40 -0500

In my opinion, this offense does not rise to a level requiring jail time. That is too harsh. I believe he should receive a General Officer letter of reprimand in his permanent file for his lapse in judgement (the career kiss of death). The demotion to E6 Staff Sergeant is justifiable and should follow him into retirement as his highest paid grade. He apparently was a decent soldier at one time in his career to make it to CSM, he should receive something for his many years of honorable service. A bar to re-enlistment, forced separation and retirement should also apply. And the humiliation he should now feel for failing to live up to the Army values of honor and integrity, and the disgrace he has brought upon himself and his family is punishment enough. This punishment will also serve as adequate notice to those who would embellish their record of service.

Response by 1SG Ernesto Riverarodriguez made Nov 3 at 2014 5:24 PM

1SG Ernesto Riverarodriguez — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:24:25 -0500

He should have been reduce to Private..now i know why i had to retire as an E8. holding an E9 position for so many years holding back other honest and hard working NCO's.

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Nov 3 at 2014 5:26 PM

PFC Zanie Young — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:26:24 -0500

I believe this is fair. CSMs are supposed to set an example for the rest of us, officers and enlisted alike. What's worse, he was in uniform and actively serving. While the sentencing was fair, I'm surprised the General didn't bust him all the way down to Private... He is too old for that behavior and it sets a bad example for the rest of us.

Response by SSG Jim Foreman made Nov 3 at 2014 5:53 PM

SSG Jim Foreman — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:53:17 -0500

This guy was a CSM, he knew what he was doing. I don't know if he felt inferior to the combat troops he was around or he just needed to be a super trooper. Whatever the reason he's a impostor. As far as his family goes, he never worried about them when he pinned on those ribbons.

Response by MSgt Dennis Dudley made Nov 3 at 2014 5:55 PM

MSgt Dennis Dudley — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:55:26 -0500

I am saying Too Harsh, only because I feel prison would serve no purpose. I agree with the busting in rank and toss him out. I is sad to see a career wasted, and his family hurt over something like this.

This quote from Maj Petrarca " Under UCMJ there should be a standard punishment for this type of offense, regardless of rank. No way should anyone be allowed to keep their full retirement benefits at their current rank. Active SMs posing, IMHO is the worst type of crime as it insults everyone in uniform." is the way punishment should be applied

Response by SSG Sara Sutton made Nov 3 at 2014 6:10 PM

SSG Sara Sutton — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 18:10:42 -0500

So after being stationed at Walter Reed while this was ongoing... It was enlightening. This is the same guy that would throw personnel out of the board for the most minute of uniform infractions. He deserved all he received and more. The comments his wife made during the trial definitely brought the term "dependa" to mind.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 6:36 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 18:36:03 -0500

Hello, he was the CSM at Walter Reed when I was stationed there. From my interaction with him he was a great leader and great soldier. I never attended one of his boards while I was there. However, I did hear quite often that he would kick soldiers out for not having their records correct. I find this hypocritical because of the fact that he had false records on his ERB.

I did have the opportunity to have a luncheon with him where he told his story. Now to find out that most of that information was a lie. From what I have heard of his actual record he didn't need to lie about anything.

It breaks my heart that soldiers need to falsify records. Just be honorable in your service and certain things will happen (ex: awards, locations, friends, etc).

I could care less how many awards someone has. If you volunteered and served honorably. You served your country the best you could in my book.

The reason I voted not enough is that since he was in such a high leadership position (this isn't right to do at any rank) and lied to everyone about what he had done that his sentence wasn't enough. Now, I am sympathetic for his family but this is a serious problem that is happening in our society. We just need to make sure that everyone knows that this won't stand. If we let our service men and women get off with a light jail sentence and still retire at a decent rank. What does they tell the rest of the service men and women that want to do it.

I am eager to see what others have to say.

-Army Strong

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 7:20 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:20:50 -0500

Have to wait and see what happens to LTC Gerald Green from the MCoE. Caught wearing Ranger and Sapper tabs that he wasn't authorized...if he gets 6 months in jail then this will seem appropriate.

Response by SSG Jay OConnor made Nov 3 at 2014 7:55 PM

SSG Jay OConnor — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:55:08 -0500

I say a short jail term would be in order but I wouldn't stop at that. Everyone doing claiming false valor should also be punished by taking away everything they have worked so long for. Example....take all rank (regardless of what he currently holds) take away all benefits and make that irreversible. Also make an immediate eviction from military housing for him and his family.

Response by SGT John Little made Nov 3 at 2014 8:01 PM

SGT John Little — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 20:01:01 -0500

I retired as a Sgt. from active duty and dam proud of it too,,, I could have faked my way but I chose service to country not service to self. As a young soldier I chose deployments over school missed promotion opportunities. But NO REGRETS I accepted my fate and dealt with my choices I had leaders who saw that I had potential and mentored me, and guided me and this allowed me to stay in the Army for a little over 20 years, and would faithfully come back to active duty as a SGT. not SSG, SGT Because when I go to sleep at night, at least I served my country with honor and never lied about anything. especially telling lies about earning awards or badges I did not deserve,
as we used to say in the 80's PX soldier, Maj P, I agree, strip rank demote to private and send him packing. PS. and to insult you CO, MOH Recipient Gordon, with your deceit is despicable

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 8:55 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 20:55:22 -0500

Here is an interesting thought. Could anyone who had ever been punished by this guy like a reprimand get a reprieve in their record since this guy was not honorably serving in his positions as an NCO?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 9:50 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:50:40 -0500

This happens a lot more then we know and at times people get off easy. We need to set the example in a way it discourages future actions. I agree with MAJ Petrarca in that prison is not the place, but a hit to their records and benefits should be fitting.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Nov 3 at 2014 10:21 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:21:55 -0500

He should have demoted to private E-1 and held in the military for a year

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 11:10 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 23:10:36 -0500

I think that this is funny, because I just went over the MCM with my Soldiers last week for STT. Under Article 107 (False Official Statements), the maximum punishment is Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years. I understand that the Judge threw away one of the Art 107 charges, but that still leaves 3 charges which face that punishment, as well as the 10 from Art 134. He should have received the 25 years, with a DHD and the demotion to PVT. I think he got off light, he wore the one ribbon from 2006 until he was caught in 2010.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 11:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 23:18:50 -0500

Definitely "Not Enough".
Numerous Soldiers that came before us earned the honor of donning those awards and badges. They were buried and laid to rest with them gleaming proudly on their chest.
Any Soldier, NCO or Officer that doesn't respect that deserves the utmost amount of punishment they can receive.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 11:38 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 23:38:06 -0500

While what he did was highly inappropriate, he still served time as a soldier. I agree that he needed to be punished and that his punishment befit the crime. My biggest concern is for those young soldiers he mentored as the SEA where he was stationed. Looking up to someone and then learning that they were not a very good person to begin with can have some very negative impacts on people.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2014 12:06 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 00:06:24 -0500

As a Senior NCO, he should have been exceeding the standard, not blatantly ignoring it. He should have been busted down to SPC. If you cannot uphold the rules and regulations as a leader, then what are you saying (through your actions) to junior Soldiers?

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Nov 4 at 2014 3:06 AM

1SG Michael Blount — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 03:06:30 -0500

Nice demotion there. Should serve as a warning to any other posers out there. I'm guessing, however, he'll retire as a CSM, depending on how long he served in the position.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Nov 4 at 2014 4:04 AM

PO1 Rick Serviss — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 04:04:09 -0500

He doesn't need prison. He needs a swift kick in the butt.

Response by MCPO Ed Armstrong made Nov 4 at 2014 9:50 AM

MCPO Ed Armstrong — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:50:59 -0500

Senior NCO"s must lead by example, knowledge and putting his subordinates first. A good leader does not need these awards to do his job. Those who think they do , probably has other issues also.

MCPO USN RET

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Nov 4 at 2014 10:39 AM

SGT Michael Glenn — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 10:39:57 -0500

I dont think he deserves to stay in the military as an NCO, his decision to do the very thing that he probably fried lower enlisted for shows he has no respect for the Military,nor the people he serves with, BCD is the most fitting, after being stripped of his rank and all awards.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Nov 4 at 2014 11:39 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 11:39:31 -0500

As a retired SGM, I feel he got of too light! He admitted he was guilty and he knew what he did. As a SNCO, we are suppose to set the example. What should have happened was to be stood infront of his entire unit, his Commander yank his rank and read a sentence of 20yrs hard labor, then marched of at an MP escort. Full and public!

Response by SGT Brian Gibbs made Nov 4 at 2014 12:05 PM

SGT Brian Gibbs — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 12:05:28 -0500

I think this CSM should be relieved form duty and forced retirement. He is being reduced to SSG which in my opinion is a crucial rank in the NCO ranks. He will never be able to command soldiers once they know that he falsified documents and wore medals he didn't earn. There is no more respect for this soldier. 6 months and then boot him out.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2014 12:43 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 12:43:42 -0500

There is absolutely nothing worse than a Senior Leader who lacks Integrity and Honor. He is an absolutely disgrace and the fact that he has retained any rank is insulting to NCO's. He should have been paraded before his former command as an example and been completely stripped of rank and removed from service completely, with out a pension. His actions are just sickening and he is an embarrassment to the NCO Corps.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2014 2:47 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:47:54 -0500

Stolen Valor is as bad as Rape, and Murder in my book.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2014 5:46 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:46:27 -0500

As I read this, my hair stands up on the back of my neck. If this were a Sgt or SSgt, I feel they would of been much harder on him or her.

So, you cry to a judge and he gives you leniency? I guess, if that works.

Demotion and OTH discharge. How did he get to stay in the military? I hope they will reconsider. What would they do if this was a high ranking officer? Are they held to higher standards? Absolutely! The ribbons and awards he chose to lie about are nothing to be super proud over, so he must of done it for promotion points is the only thing I can think of. I will be watching this one closely.

He brings great discredit to himself, his unit, and the US ARMY. How is that for an award?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2014 6:52 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:52:04 -0500

Holy crap, I hope the Guard doesn't get audited. Our "military records" have been messed up for years!

Response by CSM Raymond O'Brien made Nov 4 at 2014 8:10 PM

CSM Raymond O'Brien — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:10:54 -0500

General Petraeus?! LTC Green!!!!?

Response by SGT Criss M. made Nov 4 at 2014 8:43 PM

SGT Criss M. — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:43:28 -0500

i think that if was an officer, he would be given a letter of reprimand and allowed to retire.

Response by CPO Jon Campbell made Nov 4 at 2014 10:48 PM

CPO Jon Campbell — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:48:43 -0500

I am puzzled by the awards he chose to give himself. This sounds like he bought a 21 bar instead of an 18 bar and stuck some ribbons he found in a desk drawer on to fill it up. Was he even old enough to have been in Grenada? What a weird award to falsely claim. If you are going to claim an award you didn't earn go big - get some astronaut wings or something really cool. Don't sit in the brig with a handful of gee dunks.

Response by SPC Robert Patrick made Nov 5 at 2014 12:36 AM

SPC Robert Patrick — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:36:27 -0500

He should have gotten a dishonorable discharge for conduct unbecoming of a Non-Commissioned Officer and a soldier period

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 2:29 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:29:17 -0500

I'm curious why an E-9 would lie about their experiences, he's probably done a lot of interesting things and has some great stories to tell without making any of it up

Response by SCPO Steven Dale made Nov 5 at 2014 2:42 AM

SCPO Steven Dale — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:42:08 -0500

He should have been reduced once in rank for each charge and fined $500.00 for each charge with no imprisonment.

Response by SPC Richard White made Nov 5 at 2014 3:37 AM

SPC Richard White — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 03:37:27 -0500

The CSM took an Oath to be an NCO he broke that oath and trust. 6 months seems awfully light considering the offense

Response by CPO Jeff Burns made Nov 5 at 2014 4:12 AM

CPO Jeff Burns — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 04:12:39 -0500

I think that as a CSM he should be judged MORE harshly, not less. There is absolutely no possible excuse for his actions. None. This is not a private taking a picture for his family and wanting to look "cooler", this is a senior enlisted adviser with full knowledge of what he was doing. He planned it out, bought the ribbons/medals, had them mounted in the proper order, the whole nine yards. He should be stripped of all rank, privileges, and benefits and thrown out on his ass.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Nov 5 at 2014 5:14 AM

1SG Michael Blount — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 05:14:01 -0500

We can't publicize this victory enough. No more false valor - from civilian posers or military ones. The courts made clear, from here on out -- this offense will be punished.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 6:17 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:17:42 -0500

As a senior NCO we are supposed to be above reproach in all things and deserve no special treatment when we violate the regs regardless of family status. He dishonored himself, the uniform, and the Army merely to look as though he had done more than he did. Sure , he is shamed for life and his name and photo will be out there for everyone to see but he should have been demoted.

Response by SSG Marcus Brothers made Nov 5 at 2014 9:28 AM

SSG Marcus Brothers — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:28:57 -0500

I'm sorry, but I stand in the minority here. My rationale comes from seeing someone receive 1/3 that sentence for stealing multiple-thousands of dollars from their subordinates. I've seen sexual assault get almost the same penalty (the difference being the addition of the BCD). I agree with MJA Petrarca that jail is not the place for these guys, although I don't know that his conduct rises to the level of punitive discharge (unless the evidence shows a few other things that I would be looking for when playing "guess the sentence").

What would others have thought of reduction to SFC and forfeiture of 2/3 of his pay for 12 months?

Response by PV2 Abbott Shaull made Nov 5 at 2014 10:51 AM

PV2 Abbott Shaull — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 10:51:12 -0500

Not enough. Being an top enlisted personnel I hold him to higher standard than I would some idiot off the street, and most Officers who had never served in the ranks who don't the slightest idea what goes on in the ranks. It is his job to make sure things are done by the rules and regulation. It just sad when you can't trust senior Enlisted man to be honest about their decorations to show the respect we expect other enlisted people and to help set the example to junior Officers for the valor for the uniform. Just sad.

Response by SGT Scott Curtice made Nov 5 at 2014 12:42 PM

SGT Scott Curtice — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:42:48 -0500

no idea what the penalty should be, other than not being allowed to lead troops at any level again, probably should have lost his rank, retired, and made an example of with active duty troops all being told about this in the enlisted corps. Not sure if prison was needed

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Nov 5 at 2014 1:12 PM

SSG Ed Mikus — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:12:26 -0500

I say just right, i agree that prison is a bit harsh, but it sets an example, his role in the military is to set an example, hopefully this example be understood by those who need to see it.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 1:38 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:38:28 -0500

I don't feel like it is enough. He is going to do his time at a lesser rank, and still retire at the highest rank achieved as far as pay is concerned. To me, that is BS.

Response by Sgt Kyle Danning made Nov 5 at 2014 4:04 PM

Sgt Kyle Danning — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:04:39 -0500

Should have received a more harsh punishment. I have seen NCOs punished more for less severe crimes. Being that he was a military leader, he knew what he was doing, and therefore put his actions before his family. Why should he get special treatment or a lesser punishment for the sake of his family? I have seen firsthand military families torn apart because of the stupidity of all kinds of military members from private to General. All military leaders earn their rank, and their awards by doing the right thing, in the right way, for the right reasons. Isn't this what we all live by?

I couldn't imagine knowing a SGTMAJ from any command that I have been in getting busted for wearing medals that they haven't earned or deserved. I believe it is all in the rank, and that is what is respected the most outside of honorary medals like Medal of Honor or Purple Heart. It is a disgrace in my mind, and should be reprimanded for it.

Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Nov 5 at 2014 4:42 PM

MSgt Roger Lalik — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:42:08 -0500

Personally I do not believe prison time is warranted. He didn't steal, rape or kill anyone. yes I know stolen valor. Not the issue here. What his "crime" comes down to is violating the trust and confidence of his subordinates. As despicable as the offenses are. I just don't see jail time being warranted.

I do think take a lot of money away and a reduction in grade below the NCO ranks is called for as well as a General Discharge under Honorable conditions.

Don't understand the reduction to Staff Sergeant at all. Maybe that was the limit the court could go to. But don't think so.

My thoughts anyway....

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Nov 5 at 2014 5:28 PM

SGT Alicia Brenneis — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:28:18 -0500

A soldier faking valor is worse than a civilian doing it. Civilians make me mad when they do it but I can see that they do not understand just how insulting it is (or at least I hope they don't). As soldiers, we KNOW just what it means. For a senior leader to do something like this is unforgivable in his Army career and to those who truly earned the valor/ recognition he stole.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 6:41 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 18:41:54 -0500

Punish yes. But jail time is an over-reaction.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 10:13 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 22:13:41 -0500

I think is too harsh in my opinion. Where I am station a male homosexual Soldier sexually assaulted a male Soldier and he got only 20 months of confinement. The SGM did not hurt anyone and the fact that he has been humiliate plus the fact that his carrear is over is punishment enough. I am retiring in two months and I have see lots of stuff in 23 years and this punishment is not proportioned

Response by PV2 Jearrith Auberry made Nov 5 at 2014 11:21 PM

PV2 Jearrith Auberry — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:21:05 -0500

Last I knew every soldier in the Army was to uphold the core values and I think this CSM failed to do so. Namely Respect, Honor, and INTEGRITY.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2014 6:47 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:47:07 -0500

I think jail time alone isn't the correct response. As a CSM he knew better. I say bust him down to an E-7. it's obvious when a senior leader contentiously decides to do the wrong thing over and over he has a lack of character, honor, and integrity. Perhaps after his six months, public humiliation and being bust back to E-7 he can retire at that pay grade. No longer leading and mentoring soldiers in the wrong direction.

Response by SSgt Jim Rooth made Nov 6 at 2014 11:03 AM

SSgt Jim Rooth — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:03:48 -0500

I would address the crime and suitable punishment. As a SSGT in the Marine Corps I was given the privilege of leading other Marines both in combat and garrison environments. I had to earn their respect as a person but did have a certain amount of respect because of rank. That meant I had an obligation to honor the "code" and present myself as an example. If I screwed up, I knew I would be held accountable and any punishment would be given swiftly and evenly. My actions would be held to a higher standard as it should have been. I have a hard time believing my SgtMaj would attempt to deceive in such a manner the men he served with. However, if he did, then he would first be removed from his billet and put somewhere he would not influence others. If the offense warranted further disciplinary action, he could be reduced in rank, loss of pay or incarcerated. If the offense was really bad, separation from the service was also on the table. This soldier being discussed has disgraced not only himself but the office he holds and all those he leads. I personally would think receiving the rank he holds would be proof he was a good soldier at some time or another. However, the charges also suggest he thinks he needs to impress others and to be all he could be but feels like he has failed somewhere and needs to 'make up' that deficiency. The message he sends to the troops could be highly contagious and damage the integrity of his unit. For this reason, if it was my duty to serve at a courts-martial, he would at least be reduced in rank, removed from his current billet, fined and allowed to resign but would not draw E-9 retirement but whatever his final rank would warrant. This would send the message to all troops that honesty and integrity are paramount. May seem harsh but given the fact he has been doing this for a long time; punishment should fit the crime. As far as giving consideration to his family, it is quite obvious that he didn't think about his family when he did the deed. I share empathy for the family but they would have no bearing in my vote.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2014 1:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:20:22 -0500

He should have gotten bumped all the way down to PVT and a dishonorable discharged on top of jail time, because I can guarantee he would have done the same to anyone that would have been under his command.

Response by Sgt Jimmy Jones made Nov 6 at 2014 2:53 PM

Sgt Jimmy Jones — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:53:23 -0500

At what point are these guys gonna stop trying to claim something that they didn't earn? I read the other day that an officer at Ft. Benning was caught wearing a Ranger tab that he didn't earn. Talk about balls and a serious lack of respect.

Response by SSG Louis Marucci made Nov 6 at 2014 5:59 PM

SSG Louis Marucci — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:59:30 -0500

His superiors decided on his punishment and I am fine with that. Every time I think of Crump's actions my head spins. How could anyone that rose to his rank be that incredibly stupid? Question. In the photo of him above being escorted, is Crump in cuffs? His hands seem to be hidden.

Response by SPC Chelsea Fernandez made Nov 6 at 2014 7:02 PM

SPC Chelsea Fernandez — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:02:21 -0500

I think that he should be forced into retirement and cant collect any of his pension plus jail time. This is starting to get out of hand along with military posers

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2014 11:01 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:01:57 -0500

This isn't the full story. The guy turned in fake bios, fake stories, claimed schools he didn't go to and generally used fake accomplishments to further his career. He seems to have a long history of pathological lying.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29797

Sgt. Maj. Stoney N. Crump Special Forces FRAUD - Professional Soldiers

Sgt. Maj. Stoney N. Crump Special Forces FRAUD "Hall of Shame Inductees"

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Nov 6 at 2014 11:25 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:25:10 -0500

I think you need to add a "What was going through this CSM's mind?" choice. What was he thinking?

Response by SSG Ron Binnie made Nov 7 at 2014 1:10 PM

SSG Ron Binnie — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:10:03 -0500

MAJ Petraca got it right. There is no place in the military for people with any lack of integrity.
I had the opportunity to get away with being awarded The Purple Heart and I could not do it. I didn't deserve it because the injury happened on the range on the range not in a firefight.
Some people just never learn.

Response by SPC Kel Rowland made Nov 7 at 2014 6:50 PM

SPC Kel Rowland — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:50:54 -0500

He didn't deserve that, sure it makes everyone else look bad if he didn't really earn them, but he is in a leadership position, anything coming out of his mouth is bound to be bullshit from the gate...

No such thing as leaders, only misinformed followers...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2014 1:09 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:09:08 -0500

What I am wondering is why a CSM thought that falsely wearing a long tab would somehow help his credibility to being the standard bearer for Soldiers and the Senior Enlisted Advisor to his commander? And really, Walter Reed CSM? Was he trading war stories with wounded warriors and decide that a long tab would spice up his tales? Although, I believe his actions are a punishable offense I dont believe that jail time was the best manner of dispatching his punishment. I think that with force reductions, a reduction to his last honourably held rank and a forced retirement would have sufficed. If that punishment is good for this latest string of troubled General Officers than it should be good for a CSM (both being at the top of their respective corps)

Response by COL Timothy S. made Nov 8 at 2014 1:20 PM

COL Timothy S. — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:20:26 -0500

I originally said "Too harsh" but not because I believed the sentence was too much. I think the sentence should have been different.

Prison time for this kind of crime doesn't sit well with me. Although the criminal loses his freedom, he does so at tax payer expense. The reduction to Staff Sergeant, IMHO, leaves a stain on the NCO Corps that other Senior Enlisted would deeply resent.

I would have preferred reduction to Specialist (E-4), surrender of 6-month's pay and allowances, Bad Conduct Discharge, and 6-months of mandatory public service at a Dept of Veterans Affairs Hospital.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2014 9:04 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 21:04:54 -0500

I also believe that if he was a SGM he needs to learn how to wear the beret properly and not look like soup sandwich. I firmly believe that he wasn't penalized near enough for his crimes.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2014 11:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Nov 2014 23:00:32 -0500

A Medal of Honor recipient should know better, and yet he still did this. WHY?

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Nov 11 at 2014 3:51 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 15:51:59 -0500

His Offense ended his career. I feel that is sufficient. no matter what his reduction in rank is unless his courts martial eliminated his pay and allowances he will still get e-9 retired pay.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2014 4:03 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:03:25 -0500

I want to know how he was able to get false awards uploaded into the system when I can't get awards, qualifications, and updates into my records

Response by CSM George Duncan made Nov 14 at 2014 11:42 AM

CSM George Duncan — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:42:41 -0500

He violated the sacred trust of his country and fellow soldiers

Response by CPL Jeremiah Smith made Nov 14 at 2014 6:40 PM

CPL Jeremiah Smith — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:40:51 -0500

why did he need to do that he already had a good career he made csm . that is very respectful. its further than most enlisted people get.

Response by SSG Clint McCollough made Nov 14 at 2014 7:13 PM

SSG Clint McCollough — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:13:03 -0500

Rules are rules, I get that... Not like he was sporting a Silver Star or anything of significance. Now that being said, he is (was) a CSM, the highest ranking leader of soldiers. There is something "extra" that trickles down if he is let off too easy. The effects on current and future NCO's could be irreparable. He made a proverbial Sh&^ Sandwich that everyone has to take a bite of. I'm retired, but I still lowered my head when I read this article. Sad business all around.

Response by SSgt Eric Atkins made Nov 14 at 2014 7:59 PM

SSgt Eric Atkins — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:59:57 -0500

I guess I have mixed emotions on the whole issue. And not knowing his actual career, state of mind it doesnt make it a black and white issue with me. That is the one problem with any type of legal system. The UCMJ is what it is, but I am not an attorney nor would I want to be. To easy to make judgements on people when we could all be judged one day, and sentenced under a false or overblown scenario.

Response by TSgt Donnie Meaders made Nov 14 at 2014 8:42 PM

TSgt Donnie Meaders — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:42:31 -0500

We work hard, drip a lot of sweat and blood, and shed a ton of tears in the military and for any member to falsely wear or claim award of decorations and medals not earned is disgusting to say the least. He should have been dishonorably discharged and stripped of all rank and recognition. This is just wrong.

Response by CPO Sean Hancock made Nov 14 at 2014 9:05 PM

CPO Sean Hancock — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:05:41 -0500

Proof that Stolen Valor happens inside the military too. Despicable and dishonorable. Way t lead from the front, schmuck!

Response by SSG Jason Deters made Nov 14 at 2014 9:11 PM

SSG Jason Deters — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:11:00 -0500

Wall to Wall Counseling is in order. FM 22-102
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Stolen Valor is stolen valor.... regardless if it is some wanna-be civilian who bought a uniform on Ebay and had it sent to Fort Living Room just in time for a free Veterans Day meal at Applebees or if it is a CSM who wore ribbons and awards he never earned. Stolen Valor is a crime.

This has gone on for far too long. When I was in-service we called them "Paper Soldiers" or "AAFES Rangers"... Soldiers who would buy awards at the PX/BX or Military Clothing and Sales and pin themselves without the paperwork to support it. We took great pleasure in publicly shaming these clowns by asking them to recount each decoration on their uniform and how they earned it. We would let them tell a wild story (some were quite interesting) about how they were awarded the Meritorious Service Medal, or some long passed campaign ribbon, and as soon as they said enough, the Platoon Sergeant and 1st SGT would smoke them like a cheap cigar before escorting them off to the commander's office. The term "Paper Soldier" gradually changed to mean soldiers who looked good on paper (ERB, NCOER etc) but who were often found to be out of their depth in a kiddie pool - but I digress.

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Response by MAJ William Guglielmi made Nov 15 at 2014 1:34 AM

MAJ William Guglielmi — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:34:13 -0500

He should have been reduced out of the NCO corps

Response by SSG Douglas Correll made Nov 15 at 2014 11:01 AM

SSG Douglas Correll — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:01:30 -0500

he did wrong after years of doing right having made csm. i am not justifying his lack of good judgement especially being the ultimate subject matter expert on wearing the uniform and medals. retire him and be done. he will still get e9 pay regardless how much you reduce his rank

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2014 11:12 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:12:26 -0500

I personally have seen sexual assault & misconduct charges get far less as far as punishment is concerned.

Response by MGySgt Jay Bermudez made Nov 15 at 2014 4:26 PM

MGySgt Jay Bermudez — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:26:22 -0500

It should of been either or.... Six months or Demotion... His choice... He was a command sergeant major and even though the awards were not officially his... Punishment is due... But not too Harsh...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2014 9:34 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:34:52 -0500

Officers guilty o similar crimes are usually allowed to resign and quietly retire

Response by 1SG Henry Yates made Nov 16 at 2014 5:39 AM

1SG Henry Yates — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 05:39:46 -0500

I don't choose a category of punishment as I am not here to judge. NCO's make decisions. In those decisions we either remember who we are, or we allow something, or others to draw us to be something less than what we were developed to be. If I had made this decision, I would be grateful that I'd still have a status with the military at all and I'd do the time. We all know, many of the infidelities we hear of in the media degrade who we are no matter what branch. Yet, if the media stands true, we disrespect everything we fight for.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2014 9:45 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:45:27 -0500

If a private did this, the punishment would be severe, possibly a chapter I bet, so for a CSM, someone suppose to be setting the example at all times, should be punished severely.

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Nov 16 at 2014 11:01 AM

SA Harold Hansmann — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:01:21 -0500

Maybe it should be made a standard: 1 year of prison for each piece of stolen valor. Regardless of weather you are military or civilian.
Maybe these idiots will stop and think for the first time in their lives.
I personally think he should have been brought before the entire command and demoted, given a dishonorable discharge, and a year for each piece of valor that he didn't earn.
It should be done to officers and enlisted alike.

Response by CPT Chris Jones made Nov 16 at 2014 12:09 PM

CPT Chris Jones — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:09:32 -0500

The demotion is just enough then send him to a regular unit!!

Response by PO2 Mike Smith made Nov 16 at 2014 12:15 PM

PO2 Mike Smith — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:15:51 -0500

He decorated himself. So what. Big deal. Who cares. Did Walter Reed receive extra pay or benefits for the ribbon decorations? Was he promoted? What did he do to deprive anyone?
Nada. That's what I thought. If the military wants something to do, there are plenty of scapegoats to hack on.

Response by SPC Ezra Chang made Nov 16 at 2014 1:36 PM

SPC Ezra Chang — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 13:36:34 -0500

To pin unwon medals on one's chest is to demean the entire system of awards, which has been paid for in blood.

Response by SFC Tom Sylvester made Nov 16 at 2014 1:47 PM

SFC Tom Sylvester — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 13:47:07 -0500

Give him a choice dishonorable discharge or reduction to E5.

Response by Sgt Thomas Sheffield made Nov 16 at 2014 4:27 PM

Sgt Thomas Sheffield — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 16:27:40 -0500

I have a sorry ass brother-in-law that is an Army SgtMaj, and he does the same thing. Just has not got caught yet. Oh yea! Jump wings, Bronze Star, Air Assault wings. He was a sgt admin for the hospital on active duty, and now he is in the reserves as a motor-T SgtMaj. Has not done anything that requires balls, but tells bullshit stories, and makes himself out to be a Rambo war junky. I can't stand for those type people breath the same air I do when I'm around.

Response by SPC Ronald Henson made Nov 16 at 2014 6:01 PM

SPC Ronald Henson — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:01:22 -0500

Six months sure but to demote him no forced retirement sure . He did earn CSM

Response by SMSgt Eric Hesse made Nov 16 at 2014 6:23 PM

SMSgt Eric Hesse — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:23:45 -0500

Active duty members who fake awards for personal gain, whether financial or otherwise, should not be eligible for an Honorable discharge.

Response by SGT Rodger Armstrong made Nov 16 at 2014 6:39 PM

SGT Rodger Armstrong — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:39:14 -0500

I do not know. Look at it one way. Would he had made SFC with or with out those awards. How was he with punishment of his joes. How can someone pass punishment when they are in the wrong.

Response by SFC Mark Arellano made Nov 16 at 2014 7:31 PM

SFC Mark Arellano — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:31:28 -0500

The only reason I voted fined just right is because if it were a commissioned officer, he/ she would have gotten a slap on the wrist.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2014 8:26 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:26:12 -0500

I understand that we are all humans, but as a CSM he was supposed to be setting the example for others to emulate. The only example he set was how to try to get away with pinning unauthorized awards on your uniform. He is a disgrace to the uniform and I think they should have done more to him.

Response by SGT Michael Moore made Nov 16 at 2014 9:37 PM

SGT Michael Moore — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:37:47 -0500

Wow..., That is harsh a demotion to Master Sergeant and public apology is good enough...

Response by SSG Marc Williams made Nov 16 at 2014 10:42 PM

SSG Marc Williams — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:42:46 -0500

Getting fired, yes...demotion, yes...keeping him in charge of soldiers, no...jail time, no. Forced retirement and see ya later. Just like in civilian life why waste money taking care of this clown any more than we have to? Especially since their really can be no rehabilitation as it pertains to his offense...what's the reason for the prison sentence? Simply punishment? Let's be done with him and move onto more important matters...

Response by SFC Jorge Gonzalez jr made Nov 16 at 2014 10:45 PM

SFC Jorge Gonzalez jr — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:45:10 -0500

Forced retirement

Response by SGT Kevin Berry made Nov 16 at 2014 11:09 PM

SGT Kevin Berry — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 23:09:36 -0500

Weather in a hospital or on the battlefield I'm sure he has seen his fair share of mind f###king situations. We are not sure why people do what we might call stupid shit for no real logical reason but it happens everyday, especially in our armed services. The bottom line is the guy paid his dues to his country and would have most likely have held the same rank and position had he not faked his record or awards. He definitely deserves to be punished and discharged, however I believe he has earned his benefits. Just because someone showed some sort of bad conduct or dishonorable behavior during their enlistment doesn't mean they served their country dishonorably!

Response by SPC George Oakes made Nov 17 at 2014 7:17 AM

SPC George Oakes — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 07:17:06 -0500

At this level, the right amount would have been dishonorable discharge. To let the person continue in the military is cause for alarm. No one will respect him anymore, no one will believe him, and he should have known better.

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made Nov 17 at 2014 8:58 AM

SPC Christopher Smith — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 08:58:24 -0500

If I wore a SGT rank as a joke and got caught by the wrong person, I'd be hung upside down, and made an example of. I can tell you as someone who tries to stay out of trouble, seeing so many high level seniors just within a year get slaps on the wrist, it is tempting to get promoted for the extra layers of protection. I believe that Senior leaders should be punished much more so, because they are the examples of "The Standard". If I can't use, "think of my family and how it will affect them", then no Senior leader should be able to as well.

Response by TSgt Paul Pinholt made Nov 17 at 2014 11:12 AM

TSgt Paul Pinholt — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:12:58 -0500

He was a senior enlisted adviser and should have been setting an example. No excuses.

Response by SGT Thomas Lucken made Nov 17 at 2014 12:00 PM

SGT Thomas Lucken — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:00:18 -0500

Pretty sad in the first place, that a active duty CSM even did this! I guess he was trying to make himself look better? Because he was a E-9 thought he didn't have enough ribbons on his pocket!!!

Even though demoted to SSG, he will still retired out as a E-9. Poor example on his part as a senior NCO.....

I was a Cavalry Scout/19D all my years in, and never felt I had to prove I was something else that I wasn't!

Response by SSgt Tony Cummings made Nov 17 at 2014 5:33 PM

SSgt Tony Cummings — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:33:01 -0500

If he used his lies to get promoted, he received extra money from the government. That is theft by deception and a felony. His rank should be reduced to E-1, and he should be forced to payback his extra benefits. Not just base pay, but bas/baq and whatever extra benefits he received with his new rank. He should definitely not be allowed to receive retirement pay, regardless.

Response by SSgt Mark Shepard made Nov 17 at 2014 6:55 PM

SSgt Mark Shepard — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:55:54 -0500

There are those on the outside wearing FULL MILITARY UNIFORMS and nothing is done to them under the Federal Law. I could see him being subjected to an Article 15 and fined. To me that is punishment enough, more so when civilians can imperaonate a member of the armed forces and nothing happens to them

Response by MGySgt Mark Kozina made Nov 17 at 2014 7:07 PM

MGySgt Mark Kozina — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:07:39 -0500

As the Senior Enlisted member, it was not just an "Oh Crap", I thought I earned/rated that. He knows if he made a combat jump into Grenada and why would he wear a Navy Achievement Medal? Too easy to verify. The integrity of the entire senior enlisted corps is brought into question by wearing unauthorized decorations. Easy enough to verify what you rate.

Response by PFC Gary Winsett made Nov 17 at 2014 11:28 PM

PFC Gary Winsett — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:28:51 -0500

if it would have been a enlisted solider E-1 - E-7 He would be dishoard able discharged after time in prison not six-month he needs the same as every other solider a min. of 2yearswith good behavior.

Response by SFC Thomas Hightower Hightower made Nov 18 at 2014 12:27 AM

SFC Thomas Hightower Hightower — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:27:26 -0500

bad conduct discharge is more than enough

Response by SGT Omar Smith made Nov 18 at 2014 3:42 AM

SGT Omar Smith — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:42:20 -0500

I stand corrected. BG Jeffrey Sinclair sexually assaults a female Captain, keeps his rank and pays a $20,000 fine and retires with full benefits as a Brigadier General. A CSM wears medals he didn't earn. I understand the integrity issue but 6 months jail time and the sexual predator walks because he's an Officer?

Response by SPC Delbert Cannoy made Nov 18 at 2014 9:08 AM

SPC Delbert Cannoy — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:08:19 -0500

If he was junior enlisted he would be Leavenworth much longer!!!!

Response by SSG Dale Corey made Nov 18 at 2014 9:30 AM

SSG Dale Corey — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:30:03 -0500

The Army still has issues with high ranking enlisted and officers when it comes to doing what they want. If you are a lower enlisted soldier you would be treated as dirt, crapped on and thrown out. I am not saying that is bad for someone who commits a violation, but it needs to be fair across the board regardless of rank.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2014 3:36 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:36:32 -0500

Too harsh. If he gets 6 months, the dude in the middle should get 2 months for that beret.

Response by LCpl James A. Poitras made Nov 18 at 2014 4:16 PM

LCpl James A. Poitras — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:16:16 -0500

Not Harsh enough, it's a slap in the face to those that rightfully earned those awards.

Response by SPC Michael Coon made Nov 18 at 2014 4:43 PM

SPC Michael Coon — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:43:50 -0500

I would like to know how many Pvts this guy has dressed down and ruined their careers over lighter infractions. I bet he was a hard nosed bastard and gave no leniency towards his soldiers for anything. Just guessing.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2014 6:07 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:07:36 -0500

Reducing the CSM to SSG seems fair to me. He was caught, he deserves punishment. He also should not have used his family as crutch. However, sending him to prison for 6 months is absurd. He will now sit in a federal penitentiary and cost the Army additional money before he collects his subsequent retirement. He has served the United States in a leadership capacity and having his rank reduced to SSG and forced retirement is sufficient.
As for the comments regarding UCMJ/ Court Marshall being biased and "top rank" heavy, this is absolutely the case. The CSM and this case are proof, had the defendant been an Commissioned Officer the punishment would have been far less severe and more appropriate.

Response by SFC Mikey Fox made Nov 19 at 2014 12:16 AM

SFC Mikey Fox — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:16:10 -0500

I think he should have been demoted and retired. As digusting as what he did was, I don't think he needed to go to jail for it. He should've been dmeoted to E-5 for what he did and had his rank stripped in front of his unit and he should've been drummed out. He forsake whatever honor he had and he should've had to look other Soldiers in the face when he was punished for that but he didn't deserve to go to jail.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2014 1:22 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 01:22:12 -0500

As punishment make hime take and pass a pt test

Response by SFC Walter Brian Kirby made Nov 19 at 2014 11:56 AM

SFC Walter Brian Kirby — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:56:59 -0500

He was a CSM and did this..... he needs to be made a example of.

Response by SPC Robert Stowell made Nov 19 at 2014 12:27 PM

SPC Robert Stowell — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:27:39 -0500

kick him OUT....

Response by LT Clint Davis made Nov 19 at 2014 1:29 PM

LT Clint Davis — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:29:54 -0500

Throw him out, but I don't think he should have done jail time.

Response by PFC Fred Hooper made Nov 19 at 2014 7:02 PM

PFC Fred Hooper — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:02:12 -0500

Is it not bad enough we have civilians who pose as military that our own family has to disgrace us with what he knows to be wrong?

Response by SFC Ted Vega made Nov 19 at 2014 9:43 PM

SFC Ted Vega — Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:43:46 -0500

take him off of his Command, Article 15 and retire him immediately. He just did a stupid action but he did serve many years of faithful service

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2014 12:27 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:27:23 -0500

Myself and a fellow soldier were recommended for the Soldier's Medal for running into a burning building and for being the first responders. When the award came across his desk he rejected it and said it should be an ARCOM with V device. My entire command was just shocked and couldn't believe what he said. 4 months later this happened.

Response by 1SG Don Stand made Nov 20 at 2014 4:25 PM

1SG Don Stand — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:25:38 -0500

Some of you guys judge in such a manner as if you walk on water. Hey this guy wore the wrong dang metal and received confinement for 6 months. I think you all need to attend an actual Court Martial trial with an accused child pornographer or rapist with an abundance of evidence convicting that individual of those crimes. Guess what you so upright responders, not all but some receive 3 months sentencing. So for this CSM receiving that type of harsh punishment for wearing a medal is way beyond extreme.

Look at BG Sinclair you all was taught in basic trainig that adultery is a NO-GO in the Army since you've entered. This guy goes home, be open minded and stop judging b/c the person who reads your response will favor you.

Response by 1SG Thomas Brown made Nov 20 at 2014 4:28 PM

1SG Thomas Brown — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:28:09 -0500

What he did was wrong the punishment was way over the top. Reduced one grade and force to retire should have been his punishment.

Response by SPC David S. made Nov 20 at 2014 5:09 PM

SPC David S. — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:09:30 -0500

He should have been busted down and reflected in his retirement pay.

Response by PO3 Chalres Neill made Nov 20 at 2014 5:35 PM

PO3 Chalres Neill — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:35:54 -0500

If he got away with it, its only because his chain of command didn't know their personnel well enough

Response by 1LT Kevin Bridges made Nov 20 at 2014 7:45 PM

1LT Kevin Bridges — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:45:37 -0500

Prison is way too harsh. I think that forced retirement for his actions and a possible demotion to E8 would be plenty. The embarrassment alone would be punishment. 6 months in jail for a non-violent offense is a waste of money to the taxpayer.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2014 8:09 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:09:58 -0500

Prison seems excess, I say demotion to E-4, lock him on post for a few months, give him a shit ton of extra bullshit duty, take away a shit ton of his pay, and give him the boot.

Response by SGT Cort Landry made Nov 21 at 2014 11:13 AM

SGT Cort Landry — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:13:38 -0500

Defrock in front of the whole post. Make an example of pretending to be something you are not.

Response by Sgt Robert Kilpela made Nov 22 at 2014 10:09 PM

Sgt Robert Kilpela — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:09:24 -0500

I voted that the punishment was "Just Right". I would like more information after reading many comments. It is difficult to attain the rank of E9 in any branch of the service and he has probably served our country well to get to where he was, that said I would want to know more about his potential retirement qualifications. Will he collect retirement at E9 or at the lower rank. Normally veterans can collect on the highest rank attained, or this was the model. That alone is worth tens of thousands of dollars over the course of his life, if he collects at the higher rank. Is there the normal procedure in place that allows for a type of reversal of record if he stays out of further problems. He deserves the punishment that was meted out, at a minimum. But he also deserves to retain the respect that his actual record merits. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Response by SP5 Tom Carlson made Dec 4 at 2014 11:49 AM

SP5 Tom Carlson — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:49:07 -0500

when he retires he will still get CSM pay. so they should have reduced his retirement as well

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Jan 10 at 2015 10:41 AM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:41:53 -0500

Should've been just as MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca said.

Response by MSG Greg Murry made Jan 20 at 2015 8:47 AM

MSG Greg Murry — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:47:34 -0500

William O. Wooldridge (August 12, 1922 – March 5, 2012) a much decorated career enlisted man in the United States Army, was the first Sergeant Major of the Army. In 1969, while Command Sergeant Major of the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam, Wooldridge was accused in a congressional inquiry of fraud and corruption related to the military club system. This resulted in Wooldridge being tried in the court of public opinion. In 1973 the Department of Justice and Wooldridge reached an agreement whereby Wooldridge pleaded guilty to accepting stock equity from a corporation engaged in providing merchandise to the non-commissioned officers' clubs in Vietnam. The government did not find any wrongdoing on his part while serving as the Sergeant Major of the Army. "Although the investigation tarnished the final years of Wooldridge's career, it could not diminish his heroic wartime exploits or his arduous labors on behalf of enlisted soldiers and non-commissioned officers as the first Sergeant Major of the Army." He was awarded the Army Distinguished Service Medal, but it was withdrawn following this episode. In Robin Moore's novel Khaki Mafia, a fictional character in a criminal cartel is based on Woolridge in Vietnam.

Gene C. McKinney was the 10th sergeant major of the army (SMA) of the United States, serving from July 1995 to October 1997. He was the first and to date the only African American to reach that rank in the United States Army. In 1998, he was court martialed on a variety of charges including sexual harassment and obstruction of justice. He was convicted of the obstruction of justice charge and demoted to the rank of master sergeant.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 11:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:24:08 -0500

It baffles me how people feel the need to falsify or misrepresent themselves. How many Soldiers' careers did this individual take away from his influence throughout the years?

There was another story about a guy who falsified himself by utilizing his brothers identity his whole career. Somehow he was only reduced to SFC. There are Great Soldiers who have to retire as a SSG because that is just the way it works out for them.

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/bragg-soldier-demoted-ranks-after-being-convicted-of-using-his/article_12af94f2-aced-5f57-b357-63fcb9dc815f.html

These types of people need to lose it all because everything they did throughout their time was portraying themselves as a lie.

It really is frustrating to see cases like this because I think about Soldiers' who's careers were ended because of liars. Soldiers that may have been rehabilitated to perform without the need to LIE!

Individuals such as this destroy the CORE VALUES.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 6:28 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 06:28:49 -0500

I followed this for a while. He was described by his Soldiers, past and present, as a great leader. He molded a lot of people into great leaders, as well. As much as I would like to commend him for what he did for those individuals, the lives he saved. His good intentions do not justify his actions. It's a double-edged sword. It's a mess that no one wants to deal with. However, he did break the rules, and he must pay the consequences. The careers of all those Soldiers who he influenced, not just personally, but also by virtue, command and the sound of his name and rank, have all been tarnished. It's a shame that it took this long to recognize that something wasn't right.

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Feb 28 at 2015 8:27 PM

CPT Ahmed Faried — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 20:27:06 -0500

unfortunate

Response by MSgt Jim Pollock made Feb 28 at 2015 9:56 PM

MSgt Jim Pollock — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:56:34 -0500

Fraudulently wearing unearned military medals deserves severe punishment. This is not mere pride. A minted coin suspended by a bit of cloth is worth no more than a couple bucks unless there is real, legally protected, prestige attached to it. Medals, particularly for valor, represent the thanks of a grateful nation.

Those thanks lose their impact when medals purchased at the base exchange are just as rightfully worn as one properly cited and presented. Thieving honor is not free speech! Military medals are akin to US currency in this way. If I could purchase and use silver dollars at military clothing sales, how much value would they retain?

This CSM deserves the most severe punishment available. A civilian improperly claiming military awards might rightfully claim he/she did not grasp the full weight of their actions. A CSM does not have that privilege. Traditionally, E-9's are the ultimate vanguards of military honor and discipline--even beyond officers. Throw the book at that disgrace.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 9:49 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:49:01 -0400

In light of the recent Army Times article concerning LTC Green and his false Ranger/Sapper tabs.....as well as...get this....false ARCOM w/ V, CAB and Air Assault badge....I complete agree that CSM Crump's case resolution was too harsh...

Response by SGT Tj Casiano made Apr 25 at 2015 2:40 PM

SGT Tj Casiano — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:40:37 -0400

Jail time is too much in my personal opinion. Bust him down in rank. Who put a guy like this in charge anyway?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 25 at 2015 4:07 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:07:28 -0400

I would have dropped him one rank and forced him to retire.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2015 9:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 21:35:11 -0400

Someone has to be the poster boy. I'm tired of the phonies and wannabe's. Six months, being fired, demoted, yeah I think that's about right.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2015 9:50 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 21:50:53 -0400

To see other phonies and wannabe's, go to "Yet Another Bottom Feeder" posted by SPC Jan Allbright. I contribute most of the posts. You wouldn't believe what people do to get fake recognition.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 3:26 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 03:26:11 -0400

anyone that embellishes their record for personal advancement is a disgrace to anyone who actually accomplished the feats they claimed. i hope he enjoys this humiliation.

Response by MSG Patrick Ballard made May 27 at 2015 8:53 AM

MSG Patrick Ballard — Wed, 27 May 2015 08:53:17 -0400

I think the punishment is too harsh. Period. Their is always some ass-hat that thinks we should publicly humiliate the individual or throw their gear to the ground while spitting disgust there way all the while knowing the one heaving the most disdain has a closet full of bones of there own. Yes he should have been punished, but damn SSG and doing time? Petreaus paid a fine and is walking around and he gave some bimbo classified information. This guy, suffering from low self esteem I suppose, went to clothing sales, bought some badges he wasn't authorized, and had a brain fart wearing them. He did not sleep with a subordinate, give up state secrets, walk out of his FOB, kill or maim someone and most folks who took the survey think he did not get enough. Dang!

Response by SPC Derrick Backstrom made Jun 12 at 2015 6:41 AM

SPC Derrick Backstrom — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 06:41:49 -0400

No Integrity. At that level you should lose rank and give classes to multiple divisions so they realize this is what happens. He is a jackass just like the stolen Valor idiots. Make an example.

Response by SFC David Davenport made Nov 6 at 2015 9:13 AM

SFC David Davenport — Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:13:34 -0500

You have to make and set examples. I have no issue with this punishment.

Response by SPC Derrick Backstrom made Nov 12 at 2015 11:41 AM

SPC Derrick Backstrom — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:41:13 -0500

He should lose his retirement as well. Meaning his career was fraud. Senior enlisted get away with too much. Petraeus was another. Set the example. If you cannot, let someone who can step up. Many others get passed on promotions because of these scumbags. It doesn't affect them alone. It affects they entire military.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2015 8:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:58:22 -0500

I, like most of the others think jail time was too much. He should have been demoted and fined. It really saddens me that someone would let some fake medals and ribbons wreck their entire career and retirement. I just don't understand.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2015 1:06 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:06:05 -0500

The SSG (formerly BDE CSM) has nothing on LTC Green. It's been a year and the rumor around Missouri is that LTC Green turned in his OCIE at his old unit and retired. Based on SSG Crump's fate the LTC got off light...anyone hear any different on Green?