Did Gun Control Cause The Holocaust???

2015-10-09T07:39:03-04:00

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gaffe-track-did-gun-control-cause-the-holocaust/ar-AAffU35?ocid=spartandhp

Gaffe Track: Did Gun Control Cause the Holocaust?

The candidate: Ben Carson. Welcome back, doctor! The gaffe: On CNN Thursday, Carson was asked about a passage in his book A More Perfect Union suggesting that gun regulation during 1930s Germany meant Jews couldn’t resist the Nazis. The Republican candidate didn’t flinch: “I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed. ...

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Oct 9 at 2015 7:39 AM

2015-10-09T07:39:53-04:00

The gaffe:On CNN Thursday, Carson was asked about a passage in his book A More Perfect Union suggesting that gun regulation during 1930s Germany meant Jews couldn’t resist the Nazis. The Republican candidate didn’t flinch: “I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed. There’s a reason these dictatorial people take the guns first.”

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Oct 9 at 2015 7:57 AM

2015-10-09T07:57:26-04:00

The issue is far more complex that that. The holocaust was a mountain created by thousands of stones of gravel, not a singular issue. On the reverse, no singular issue could have prevented it. Not even a Protection on the Right to Bear Arms.

What makes America unique is the Quantity AND Quality of our Protections. We have so many strings in the tapestry that a single one being removed won't destroy it.... however pull enough.... and it will eventually unravel.

That's what leads to events "like" the holocaust. The problem is that those pulling the strings don't realize that they are doing it. They think they are fixing a snag, so they trim, pull, remove, etc. But eventually the entire picture is gone, unreadable.

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Oct 9 at 2015 10:39 AM

2015-10-09T10:39:53-04:00

My answer was 'No' but it's a qualified no. What caused the Holocaust was a sick man in Hitler taking advantage of chaos and rampant anti-Semitism in Germany to scapegoat Jews and then murder them. A small group fighting the full power of a state, especially a powerful one such as Germany, is going to find it very tough to win in the long run as the experience of the Warsaw ghetto uprising demonstrated. However, if nothing else, the Jews being armed would've made the Holocaust a much more expensive proposition for the Nazis. Whether that deterrence would've been enough to stop a Hitler from trying it is doubtful but I would also doubt that the numbers of Jews killed would've been as high had they been able to at least attempt resistance.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Oct 9 at 2015 11:09 AM

2015-10-09T11:09:42-04:00

Sgt Tom Cunnallyif it wasn't so laughable it would be rubbish. Hopefully he wasn't serious .

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2015 11:18 AM

2015-10-09T11:18:12-04:00

Absolutely. Ask Hitler. JK or you could ask the woman who survived and talks about that http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/on_the_front_lines_of_the_culture_wars/2011/04/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn-america.html

She survived Hitler and wants to warn America - On the Front Lines of the Culture Wars

Kitty Werthmann survived Hitler. “What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or read in history books,” she likes to tell audiences. “I am a witness to history.  “I cannot tell you that Hitler took …

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Oct 9 at 2015 11:20 AM

2015-10-09T11:20:43-04:00

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 9 at 2015 11:26 AM

2015-10-09T11:26:55-04:00

I wonder how many comments until it suddenly becomes Obamas fault...?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2015 11:29 AM

2015-10-09T11:29:08-04:00

Dr Carson's point is accurate; dictators consolidate their position by ensuring that only "their people" are armed. This is precisely why the founding fathers authored the Second Amendment - to allow the citizenry the ability to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 9 at 2015 11:31 AM

2015-10-09T11:31:06-04:00

The article was good and the follow on article was even better. Good post Brother. I cannot and will not give any credence to the "shock jocks" we have in and running for office. Carson is making an opinion, and he's entitled to it. Is it wrong? It stinks tho. I'll let history be the judge on that; both past and future. But saying ignorant comments like this is what keeps many candidates "relevant" and their names out of the mass medias mouths. Would Trump be in the position he's in if he came out honest and not bombastic? Would anyone outside Josh Duggar know who Huckabee was? MJ said it best...bad news is good news. He was right. I know I named republicans in my post, but best believe democrats are just as bad....well not as bad as Trump. I think later on today I'll ask Kim Davis if the Pope had any advice on who to vote for, so I can hedge my bets in Vegas.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2015 11:46 AM

2015-10-09T11:46:27-04:00

Sgt Tom Cunnally, IMHO, Ben Carson doesn't have a clue what would have been the outcome. One day he says, relating to the latest school shooting, "I wouldn't just stand there and get shot!" I would say, come on people, there are more of us than them, let's take him down. I might get shot but it would prevent anyone else being shot." Then I read, Carson is in a restaurant and an armed thief tells him to give him all of his money. Carson says, " I'm not the one you want, it's that guy behind the counter." I have lost a lot of respect for him. He needs to quit acting like we live in never never land, and everything is just peachy.
Armed civilians wouldn't have been successful in thwarting Hitler. If we were at war with a terrorist like Hitler, we wouldn't stand a chance of defeating an enemy. The enemy, Hitler, had all the fire power and followers he needed to overthrow his own country and surrounding countries. Even if weapons were not taken away, Hitler would have still been able to attempt to kill all of the Jews. I don't think it would have been called the holocaust, I think it would have been called a massacre.

Response by SPC David S. made Oct 9 at 2015 1:51 PM

2015-10-09T13:51:53-04:00

I would say that the extremist ideology - belief in the superiority of an "Aryan race" fighting against Jewish Marxism - had something to do with it. The 1939 law Hitler signed deregulated the transfer of guns, however it did exempt Nazi's from the gun ownership regulations altogether. How this singular event translates as to the cause of the Holocaust is a misnomer. Many things contributed to it going back to the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WWI.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Oct 9 at 2015 2:58 PM

2015-10-09T14:58:20-04:00

No, gun control did not cause the holocaust, nor is Ben Carson quoted as saying that it did.

Gun control was used to ensure the safety of the perpetrators of the holocaust.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2015 4:20 PM

2015-10-09T16:20:58-04:00

Sgt Tom Cunnally I wouldn't attribute the Holocaust to gun control, but I would say the disarming of the population certainly made it easier.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2015 8:27 PM

2015-10-10T20:27:25-04:00

Cause it, no. Make it easier, heck yes.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2015 8:53 PM

2015-10-11T20:53:38-04:00

Cause the Holocaust, No. Was a major contributing factor, oh Yes!

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Oct 12 at 2015 3:24 AM

2015-10-12T03:24:56-04:00

I will answer the question this way: A bunch of starving Jews with guns in Warsaw held off the Nazis for longer than the entire nation of France.

Gun control wasn't the only thing that caused the Holocaust, but it was THE thing that made it relatively easy to accomplish.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Oct 12 at 2015 2:41 PM

2015-10-12T14:41:27-04:00

Most civilians are not trained/ organized/numerous enough to stop police or military units.
Jews with guns would have been shot if they resisted, and after an incident or two, it would have just meant these German officials would have more force in the first place, and be less "nice" than they were historically.

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Oct 12 at 2015 2:49 PM

2015-10-12T14:49:26-04:00

Rounding up unarmed citizens had to be a lot easier than rounding up an armed resistance. Having said that it contributed to it we all know it was a bunch of racist nazi bastards that would have saw it through no matter what

Response by SrA Alan Sherman made Jun 21 at 2016 6:37 PM

2016-06-21T18:37:37-04:00

Did Gun Control measures enacted by the Nazi Government or the German government before them CAUSE the holocaust? Possibly not. What is certain however is that it would have been much more difficult to send Millions of Jews to their deaths if they had been armed, or having been so armed at least they would have died on their feet.

Response by SrA Alan Sherman made Jun 21 at 2016 6:37 PM

2016-06-21T18:37:39-04:00

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Oct 5 at 2017 9:41 AM

2017-10-05T09:41:27-04:00

no, but it sure helped

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Feb 16 at 2018 8:00 PM

2018-02-16T20:00:25-05:00

No, Even the Nazi SA goons were unarmed

Response by PO3 Yaelle Glenn made Dec 5 at 2019 8:00 PM

2019-12-05T20:00:44-05:00

The question should probably be worded differently. I doubt anyone thinks it CAUSED the Holocaust. Made it easier? Sure.

Response by SMSgt Kent Brown made Dec 9 at 2019 6:19 PM

2019-12-09T18:19:06-05:00

Gun control (confiscation) allowed it.

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Dec 14 at 2019 4:19 PM

2019-12-14T16:19:25-05:00

Gun Control Prevented People whom were considered defective (wrong religion, wrong ethnicity, wrong sexual preference, and "genetically inferior" /retarded/ ) by a tyrannical government from adequately defending themselves and their families.
Read about Poland's Warsaw Jews.
Read about the European experience during the years between WWI and 1946.
Their experience is so much bigger than this single aspect.

Response by Edward Samsen made Apr 28 at 2020 3:31 PM

2020-04-28T15:31:05-04:00

It was not the only factor....it was a contributing factor. Gun control led to a disarmed population that could not easily rise up against their government.

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Mar 15 at 2021 1:35 PM

2021-03-15T13:35:01-04:00

Gun control didn't cause the Holocaust, but Hitler used the gun control laws he was given as a tool to make the Holocaust, and the murder of 12,000,000 Jews and "Deplorables" a lot easier.

Response by PO2 David Hawthorne made Jul 28 at 2021 12:27 AM

2021-07-28T00:27:00-04:00

It unquestionably allowed it Jews guns were taken away before the Holocaust started.

Response by Sgt Dan Baughman made Aug 30 at 2021 5:20 PM

2021-08-30T17:20:41-04:00

Control health care. Take all guns. Now you have global warming nuts wanting to do away with oil. You do all that you have a controled population that cant protect its self. Have to eat and do what they say or no health care. No oil means no gas. Population cant move around. A controlled environment.