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SSG Robert Burns
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I thought about this when reading this post. &nbsp;https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/39536-does-this-upset-anyone<div><br></div><div>Say you changed the rank to race. &nbsp;For example all enlisted automatically chaptered out for any sexual assault crimes past, present, future. &nbsp;Officers get to stay for the same thing.</div><div>Now change that to all hispanics automatically chaptered out, and all whites get to stay. &nbsp;That would be a no questions ask, someone is going to jail EO complaint. &nbsp;Why is it any different for ranks? &nbsp;It is still the exact same discrimination and it is despicable.</div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="https://www.rallypoint.com/assets/fb_share_logo.png"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/39536-does-this-upset-anyone">Does this upset anyone?</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">We recently implemented a new policy in which we automatically chapter from the Army&amp;nbsp;any enlisted Soldier that is a convicted sex offender, regardless of when it took place.&amp;nbsp; Two months afte...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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In the first place, because rank is not a protected class, there is no way to charge EO violation based discrimination by rank. &nbsp;Race is a protected class.<div><br></div><div>In the second place, because rank confers coercive authority and ability to issue rewards for cooperative behavior and punishments for reporting, our officers should be held to a higher standard of behavior and given more credible, reliable, and harsher punishment for misbehavior.</div><div><br></div><div>In the third place, the fact our officers are management personnel in the military should make us hold them to higher level of accountability just like the we hold management personnel more responsible in the civilian world.</div><div><br></div><div>In brief, because officers are management personnel they should be held to a higher standard of accountability and punished far more severely.</div><div><br></div>
Lt Col Luis A. Rojas
Lt Col Luis A. Rojas
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LT, very well said.&nbsp; I agree 100% about officers being held at a higher standard and thus being punished more severely.&nbsp; The higher the rank and experience (both officers and enlisted), the more is expected of them.&nbsp; How can we expect our subordinates to behave professionally when our Sr. ranking personnel do not.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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He said "should it be?", not "is it?".
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SSG Robert Burns
SSG Robert Burns
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Im pretty clear on what EO entails, what I'm saying is should that be something that falls under EQUAL opportunity. &nbsp;There are more categories under EEO than under EO; something that is being looked out now to make them both all inclusive.<div>Under that premise I think that rank is also a discriminator. &nbsp;I agree whole heartedly that officers should be held to a higher standard, but that just simply isn't the case. &nbsp;It's even more so evident in the recent policies like the one I am referencing that are introduced in an official capacity. &nbsp;It is blatant.</div>
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Well said. I have always believed what you said. I also considered officers management. I followed the good ones and forgot the bad ones.Led me to my MBA.
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SSG Tim Everett
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I knew a SFC at Fort Meade, he worked in BN S-1, who got busted for dealing crack or cocaine, I can't remember which it was. He kept wearing his rank and uniform, and was around the unit for months after being busted. We'd see him working after-hours in civvies in the S-1, probably his extra duty. It's been over ten years since it happened but I believe, if I recall correctly, that the explanation given was because his rank was basically an act of Congress, the punishment from BN/BDE could only be so much. Personally, I was floored that a guy who dealt a hard drug wasn't locked up. I feel certain that if that had been a SPC, that guy would have been stripped of rank ASAP, locked up, and probably in Leavenworth inside of a week.

Same thing with affairs. I saw a soldier get dropped all the way back to E1, confined to the barracks, and kicked out of the military on a sexual misconduct charge (the actual story was, he and his wife had a 3-way and the third party ended up reporting it). Yet we have generals who are allowed to retire, probably with a pretty decent package, and because of their rank, political connections, and duty positions they end up going on to be some senior big-wig at a corporation making bank.

I don't understand it. I never will. Sure, sure, I get that rank might have its privileges, but come on. This is a little absurd.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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What someone does in their own house/bedroom is their business. Where was his lawyer? Now, if they did it in the barracks--well. We all know the story of President Clinton. There is a lot of disparity out there. Sorry, getting into personal opinion.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I maintain that for all NCO's, Warrant Officers, Petty Officers, and Commissioned Officers, the minimum punishments for all offenses in the UCMJ should be doubled. Tripled if alcohol is involved.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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I have asked if we really need to "hang" somebody - especially if he is young and foolish- instead of a good butt chewing and told to fly right. Way back then the old salts took you behind the barracks and best the crap out of you. makes me wonder if we still have blanket parties.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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SSG. circumstances are always different. On one tdy trip we had a promotion/ birthday part in the quonset. Officers/ NCO/ enlisted were all there. Great party. Everybody split about 1630. Latter that night two guys got at it and one lost his front teeth. He went to the CO. The CO asked: were there officers present? NO. were there NCO's present. NO. Airman ------ I am sorry you fell down and knocked out your teeth. CO was recalled from the Korean war. That's how they delt with the problem back then.
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