Posted on Apr 14, 2014
Disappointment : SGM passed through school although standard not met. Should we be worried? Does it matter in your opinion?
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I recently went through a military school. To keep this short, I saw a SGM drop his static line. Most of you know what can happen in this situation. Well, a Cadre member was almost taken out because of his negligence. Come graduation day, SGM has a certificate and drives himself home happily. I won't add in the lack of respect this SGM received during this class (his reserve status, motivation and constant negative critiquing of both Cadre and student leadership caused this.) BIG issue is that there were individuals being dropped for less. I understand there are standards to be held - but we all should be held to the standard.
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This is a very tough call here. Did the SGM have any additional issues? Was he constantly Displaying a "lack of respect this SGM received during this class (his reserve status, motivation and constant negative critiquing of both Cadre and student leadership caused this. Ultimatly it wil come down to a "gut check" for him and his command. If the cadre didnt do anything to correct the issues they may of thought there was nothing wrong. Sad to say sometimes this happens.
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Sad to say that we would let this type of issue go MSG. I can't say I would want to be in front or behind this individual. More, I would not want to fly at all with this one. No disrespect intended. But when the entire class, you preach about standards, and critique subordinates without giving them realistic input as to what they are doing wrong and how they can fix themselves - something is wrong. To add to that...... You drop your static line and almost seriously hurt someone.
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I will agree with you on what you are saying but I wasn't there and KI understand the severity of what he did but did the cadre not make an on the spot correction? I am not criticizing you just don't know all of the facts. You are right the entire class should of stood up and said something if they didn't correct it then the cadre was wrong. BTW there was no Disrespect received or felt. you are expressing a very good point..
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Not knowing any of the details, it is hard to fully answer this question because it is ALWAYS in the details. My one main thought is that no matter the rank, they are still just a person. We can all make mistakes and are flawed sinners. When someone forget this, that is when real problems happen...and when real problems turn into disasters.
While I am sure this will date me, as a young SPC I was working on the pistol range and when a SGM stopped by to qualify. He must have been trained on a revolver because the way he was holding the .45 was, at best, was going to ruin his day. When I tried to correct his grip on the .45, he just ignore me…I am guessing because I was only an E-4…and after the second attempt to keep him from amputating his own thumb, I thought I would let him learn the hard way? My conscious did get the better of me I refused to clear my side of the range and I finally had pull in the NCOIC, but the SGM was determined to maim himself! We were lucky that he showed up late because we had to spend more time with him and his qualification than the rest of the Battalion? From this incident I realized, you may be great in many things but this does not mean that we know everything or that there is not a lot more we can learn from others.
While I am sure this will date me, as a young SPC I was working on the pistol range and when a SGM stopped by to qualify. He must have been trained on a revolver because the way he was holding the .45 was, at best, was going to ruin his day. When I tried to correct his grip on the .45, he just ignore me…I am guessing because I was only an E-4…and after the second attempt to keep him from amputating his own thumb, I thought I would let him learn the hard way? My conscious did get the better of me I refused to clear my side of the range and I finally had pull in the NCOIC, but the SGM was determined to maim himself! We were lucky that he showed up late because we had to spend more time with him and his qualification than the rest of the Battalion? From this incident I realized, you may be great in many things but this does not mean that we know everything or that there is not a lot more we can learn from others.
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