Dishonesty Has Defined the Trump Presidency. The Consequences Could Be Lasting. Do we wish to remember our President and CINC as a liar?

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:05:07 -0500

The institution of the Presidency and CINC of our Armed Forces has defined by the current POTUS by fabrication of the facts, stretching the truth and spreading of falsehoods and misinformation. When caught in the act, the POTUS tells media to go hunt for needles in haystacks, which are nonexistent in reality. After a while, the POTUS and citizens start believing such lies to be the truth, which is far from the fact. Does the U.S. need such personalities leading our Country and representing the People, and setting the standards for other countries and global leaders to emulate or behaving in contravention of the article in the UCMJ?

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Nov 2 at 2020 8:15 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:15:12 -0500

Thanks for sharing your point of view

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made Nov 2 at 2020 8:30 AM

Maj Kim Patterson — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:30:34 -0500

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana there’s always more to the story than the clip seen on TV

Response by SSgt Ray Stone made Nov 2 at 2020 8:35 AM

SSgt Ray Stone — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:35:32 -0500

Which is why wanna be Hitler has to go

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 8:50 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:50:20 -0500

I disagree with this New York Times article.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Nov 2 at 2020 8:55 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:55:41 -0500

Personally I still trust the Trump group over the Biden group CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana

Response by MSG Terry Lingle made Nov 2 at 2020 8:57 AM

MSG Terry Lingle — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:57:25 -0500

I assume, “captain,” that as an “officer and gentleman” you have resigned your commission in protest? I ask this because surely you would never serve under a commander in chief you slander so.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Nov 2 at 2020 9:02 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:02:56 -0500

Biggest lie of the 2020 camping season was from Joe Biden: I’m the Democrat Party. No you’re not Mr Biden. You’re a CHICOM useful idiot.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 9:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:06:28 -0500

Sorry, Obama will always be remembered as a liar: Like your Doctor, Keep your Doctor… the list can go on forever, but I won’t bore you.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2015/01/14/like-your-doctor-keep-your-doctor-wasnt-the-only-obamacare-lie-n1942941

Cortney O'Brien - “Like Your Doctor, Keep Your Doctor” Wasn’t the Only Obamacare Lie

The president misled Congress and Americans to accept a health care bill that would fund abortions.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 9:10 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:10:35 -0500

We've known for quite sometime the media is the enemy of the people. They are bias when it comes to the political nomine they favor. During Obama's first term Fox went after him for his birth certificate, now during Trumps first term it was his tax returns. The smaller indepent journalists or media companies seem to be the ones you can kinda trust but don't even take their words for granted. The media has been the match to the kerosene since covid hit. They feed of hysteria. Good news an honest news doesnt sell. But fake news an controversial does.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 2 at 2020 9:32 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:32:42 -0500

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=barack-obama

Obameter: Campaign Promises that are Promise Broken | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Nov 2 at 2020 9:32 AM

MSG Stan Hutchison — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:32:55 -0500

and here comes the Trump supporters SOP: attack, deny, divert.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Nov 2 at 2020 9:41 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:41:25 -0500

Captain, all due respect, methinks you've let your mouth overload your backside. The POTUS sees and hears things on a daily basis that if released to the public would turn your hair gray and make it fall out. Why do you think a POTUS ages so much in 4-8 years? Your damn right they lie to us. To quote Jack Nicholson's character from A Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth."

While I consider your post and question as argumentative, you are most certainly entitled to it, no matter how misguided I or others believe it to be.

Obama was and will be remembered as the man who allowed Jimmy Carter to know he can go to his grave knowing there was a POTUS worse than him. You may disagree with my POV but that is your right.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 10:05 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:05:56 -0500

I would rather have the economy in Trump's hands that ole flip flop Joe, he has already stated that he would raise taxes and go back to normal with China.

Response by SGT Peter Paden made Nov 2 at 2020 10:27 AM

SGT Peter Paden — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:27:05 -0500

Joe Biden has sold out to China to enrich himself and his family

Response by SSgt Richard Kensinger made Nov 2 at 2020 10:47 AM

SSgt Richard Kensinger — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:47:03 -0500

Based on my 4 yr. clinical research on Trump going back to his mid-adolescence it is quite clear that he exhibits narcissistic personality w/ prominent antisocial features. I have # of published articles on Research Gate in this regard. Any one who wants copies can contact me " [login to see] ". He thus represents a profound threat to our Constitution, Rule of Law, and our Military.
Rich

Response by Maj John Bell made Nov 2 at 2020 11:41 AM

Maj John Bell — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:41:07 -0500

Undeniable dishonesty has characterized the Presidency of William Jefferson Clinton. He was impeached for his dishonesty.

There is a partisan divide over the honesty of the Bush administration.

"If you like your healthcare insurance you can keep your healthcare insurance" is to my mind the most memorable mark of President Obama.

Donald Trump is most certainly a cringe worthy orator. But I've stopped listening to the rhetoric. Politician's have been lying to the US public since the dawn of time. So what is left? I judge President Trump on what he has done or tried to do. I approve of the agenda and the acts to make it so. I disregard the rhetoric.

If you want me to vote against President Trump and for Candidate Biden, you must provide a better argument than "he's not Trump." So far, no one has even tried.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Nov 2 at 2020 12:07 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 12:07:21 -0500

Complaining about a politician lying is nothing new. The difference this time is that President Trump is not a politician. There's nothing "politic" about him. Politicians say whatever they believe constituents want to hear. President Trump says whatever is on his mind. Sometimes he is mistaken. Is that a lie? To say it is a lie is a lie. Lying requires intent and who knows what intent lies hidden in the mind of the speaker? You? Not me. I'm not that arrogant...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 12:09 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 12:09:36 -0500

You are aware that Biden has been caught lying countless times. Throughout college and his career, he was accused of plagiarism among other things. He isn't a Saint
Biden displays signs of dementia. It is tough to believe that he could serve 1 term much less 2. The tougher question for Americans would be what happens if Harris takes over the Presidency? She has been rated as the most liberal Senator in the US Senate.
Personally, I don't like Trump as a person but I support many of his policies. To me, that is more important than electing someone I like but don't support their policies.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 2 at 2020 12:47 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 12:47:45 -0500

He is a pathetic president due to his many personality traits like dishonesty, being caustic, lacks empathy, lacks intelligence, does not like following rules, laws, and regulations. He is a sociopath. He is a laughing stock of the world. Irony is we expect our army privates to practice more values than Trump.

Response by SSgt William Quinn made Nov 2 at 2020 1:32 PM

SSgt William Quinn — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 13:32:45 -0500

BS.

Response by LTC David Brown made Nov 2 at 2020 1:44 PM

LTC David Brown — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 13:44:33 -0500

Good grief, “The truck driver that killed my wife and children drank his lunch instead of eating it”. Biden later apologized to the family of the trucker for that lie. “ I graduated top in my law class on a full ride scholarship”. “ I would go to this church and help organize civil rights marches and then Demonstrate for civil rights.” Biden later admitted he never marched fo civil rights etc. Truth is Biden’s early Senate career marks him as fighting against civil rights. “I went to South Africa and got arrested visiting Mandela.” Biden tells a dramatic tale about pinning a Silver Star on a soldier’s chest, it never happened. So which one is the bigger fabricator and does it matter at this point? At least Trump knows what office he is running for and who he is running against.p and the logo on his jacket.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Nov 2 at 2020 1:46 PM

Cpl Benjamin Long — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 13:46:58 -0500

How do you know it is dishonesty... I can easily accuse you of similar lies.. After all we are not talking about any policy since personal characters on the table, that means yours is as well.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 1:49 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 13:49:28 -0500

Joseph Goebbels wrote the passage below in an article in Die Zeit ohne Beispiel on Jan 12, 1941 when creating propaganda about Churchhill. It appears the media has learned well from the 20th century's premiere propagandist. The only people buying the BS are the never-Trump haters. The never-Trump haters are sticking to that lie with fervor.

"That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 2 at 2020 2:27 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:27:38 -0500

Anyone familiar with history shouldn't have found anything surprising with this administration. We've seen it before, executed on a grander scale.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Nov 2 at 2020 2:48 PM

LTC Trent Klug — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:48:03 -0500

Name a president who was honest with the American people. I'll wait.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 3:12 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 15:12:27 -0500

History will judge him once it's written, but the victors write it. It will be a point of debate.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Nov 2 at 2020 3:38 PM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 15:38:49 -0500

This has no place on this fotrum. There are plenty of other venues available for you to vent your political angst.

Response by SGT Dan Theman made Nov 2 at 2020 4:01 PM

SGT Dan Theman — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:01:57 -0500

I will never trust the trump camp.
He does not understand the very office he holds nor the position of CinC. Should he have chosen to grow in the position I could wrap my head around that aspect in give benefit of the doubt, however his personal attack on a POW and tantrum to hide the very ship that POW is named after speaks volumes to me. Add that to him calling our fallen hero’s as suckers and losers is beyond reprehensible. Let’s not pretend that’s not his very character.

As a military man, Republican and American I do not recognize his authority over the country.

Response by CPL Earl Kochis made Nov 2 at 2020 4:06 PM

CPL Earl Kochis — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:06:33 -0500

Trumps lies lmao! You mean the Democrats lies!! The Corruption has been in office since JFK was assassinated by his own Party! It’s Corruption by the Democrat Party and they are grasping at straws!! Instead of looking at Trump’s financials we need to FOIA all of the Democrat Parties financials!

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Nov 2 at 2020 8:34 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 20:34:20 -0500

Your call Sir and your right. But remember it looks like the other fellow sold himself to the most money- he claims to be head of his party, yet didn't say anything for 2 months while his leftists burnt/looted stores in his cities. All politicians and many others LIE these days, I could care less with the world thinks, after they haven't helped us much- yet we go to everybody's rescue. Our Republic unlike France has lasted over 240 years with the same Constitution and I would like to see it last at least that much more. Stay safe

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 2 at 2020 11:40 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 23:40:03 -0500

I want someone explain to me the media bias.

Response by SGT Peter Paden made Nov 3 at 2020 11:51 AM

SGT Peter Paden — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 11:51:16 -0500

Media has been shown to be dishonest and unfair. Foreign countries have taken advantage of our Nation and all previous politicians including all previous POTUS have allowed this to occur. Our Nation needs to stop being the police force of the world and help other Nations to become more responsible in the world for their own security. The world has treated China as a equal and look at their actions to to the world. So if our POTUS doesn’t follow the norm what’s more important our Nations security or his tone

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2020 5:36 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 05:36:59 -0500

Wow, what a blitzkrieg supporting President Trump on this board!. If this topic board is representative of American voters, Trump won by a landslide yet to be discovered.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Nov 8 at 2020 3:34 PM

SSG Robert Webster — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 15:34:21 -0500

Interesting, that is exactly what the other side of the political coin is doing. Adam Schiff is a perfect example.

Response by SGT Philip Keys made Nov 9 at 2020 10:36 AM

SGT Philip Keys — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 10:36:19 -0500

Most investigated President in history and they found nothing. Biden is a TRAITOR who has sold us out to our enemies for the past 47 years. Leftist ideas have no place in America let alone the military.

Response by SSgt Richard Kensinger made Nov 10 at 2020 1:08 PM

SSgt Richard Kensinger — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 13:08:29 -0500

I got a down vote from someone engaging in this particular thread. I dare them and others to read my published articles about my clinical findings. For a copy contact me " [login to see] ". I predict that this person or others who disagree w/ me will not have the courage to do so!
Rich

Response by PO2 Cyrus Barberia made Nov 10 at 2020 2:02 PM

PO2 Cyrus Barberia — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:02:57 -0500

Excellent post of our how soon to be ex-president I'm glad to see him go he is all about himself

Response by PO2 Cyrus Barberia made Nov 10 at 2020 3:11 PM

PO2 Cyrus Barberia — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 15:11:09 -0500

Have one last thing to say the election's over it looks like we got a new President Joe Biden he needs to have a chance at doing the job that needs to be done he needs a support of all Americans. Republicans and Democrats in order to do the job right he needs everybody's help

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Nov 13 at 2020 9:46 PM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:46:27 -0500

I have posted before that this forum is not designed for political bs. Has it now become one more “Hate” forums, then I have no time for it. There are countless other groups that will welcome political angst. I call on the administrators to police this nonsense

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 19 at 2020 7:30 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 19:30:15 -0500

Trump's leadership strategy is to sow hate and he will pick sides and ride the hate. As an example he said Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists. The far right will then get energized with hate. That is how he pursues his policies.

He blames China for the pandemic in the country. What is the resultant? His supporters blame China instead of Trump for the pandemic response.

He calls BLM terrorists. This feeds into his base supporters.

He does not unite but divides with hate to support his positions and policies.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Feb 16 at 2021 12:46 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:46:31 -0500

No but we need to realize the consequences of technology censoring public opinion to advance the political agenda of political parties. We need to realize the consequences of the primary media's in destroying credibility in reporting for political purposes; We need to realize that this may have possibly been the last election where the votes of all American citizens will be counted and illegals omitted or dead not voting.