Do I have to pass a record apft with the upcoming implementation of the acft?

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:29:58 -0400

I failed a record APFT at the beginning of August, so my 90 days to retake the test will be in November. This is after the implementation of the ACFT in October 1. My question is if I still will have to retake it and pass it. And if I don’t pass it, can I be separated for the APFT failure, even though is not going to be the test of record anymore.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2020 10:37 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:37:55 -0400

The APFT is only authorized after 1Oct for SMs who currently have a failed record APFT. Failing to APFTs in a row, if properly counseled, is grounds for separation, if your command team choose to pursue it.
Your best bet is to show improvement or pass.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Aug 27 at 2020 12:51 AM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 00:51:05 -0400

The answer is yes, you do. If you look at your Enlistment contract, either the 4/1 or 4/2, there is a paragraph that explains that the Army can change standards and such, as it deems appropriate, at whatever time it wants to. This means that if you failed the old PT standards, and then fail the new PT standards, then it constitutes failing two in a row. As such, it is grounds for separation if the Command chooses to pursue this course of action.

My question to you is, Do you wish to continue your service, and if so, what steps or actions have you taken to remedy your physical deficiencies? Physical readiness is an individual responsibility, your NCO's and Command can assist, but the extra effort is ultimately upon you. Good luck, and prepare yourself.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2020 6:27 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 06:27:25 -0400

Dude, you gotta get yourself together. You failed diagnostics in April and May, had June and July to prep, and still failed a record in August. If you pass the fitness tests, you don't have to worry about these barracks lawyer questions. Get with your unit MFT to help you will a training plan. If you don't have one, pm me and I can help you with your programming.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2020 9:25 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:25:55 -0400

Unlike all of these ranking NCO’s from the old Army, I won’t bash you for trying to dodge the APFT. While physical fitness is absolutely your duty and obligation to the Army, the APFT is the saddest test of ones physical fitness they could have ever come up with. Quite literally does not quantify in any way the level of physical fitness you have. As for your question, yes you must still pass. The SMA just visited our staff headquarters and had a discussion regarding APFT failures with us. All APFT failures are still required to pass a record APFT, even with the changeover into ACFT. My advice, do everything you can, pass this last test, and forget the APFT ever was the useless test that it is. Good luck

Response by MAJ Shane Stanphill made Aug 27 at 2020 9:42 AM

MAJ Shane Stanphill — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:42:54 -0400

Private you have received some quality advice from these NCO’s. My advice to you is to heed that advice. You knew PT and APFT’s would be required of you. Fix yourself soldier and your PT scores.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2020 10:06 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 10:06:05 -0400

You will be required to take another APFT. You are no in the population that failed the APFT when it was required. You can be separated if you do not pass the next APFT. The biggest concern is why you are failing the APFT. This is a very simply test that is far easier than the ACFT. You need to work on your fitness. This is a bad way to start your career.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2020 9:26 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:26:44 -0400

Just work on your running and sit ups. Pass the apft in November. Then say goodbye to it and continue working on the ACFT. You gotta pass your apft or you might be saying bye to your career. You still have 2 months. Even the most out of shape person can meet the standards in 2 months of training. You can do this. Now do the prep work and then go do it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2020 4:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:07:39 -0400

Yes - anyone who is flagged for the APFT will take it to get off the flag. If you fail a second, consecutive APFT that has been properly documented you can be separated for the failures.

How about focus on passing it and not so much on if you fail?