Do Retirees Really “Deserve” Access to AAFES Stores More Than Non-Retirees?

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* Please vote in the survey here *

Note: I am a RallyPoint member (served in USAF for 5 years) and wish to remain anonymous, because I need to be 100% honest that I feel the DoD is discriminating against non-retirees like me. Please tell if I am right or wrong here.

While I was serving in the USAF (5 years active), I enjoyed shopping at AAFES locations and online as well. It saved me a lot of money and the deals always seemed good. Now that I am a civilian, and did not hit retirement before I got out, and am not rated 100%, I can’t shop at AAFES anymore. I think that’s flat out wrong. I put in my time as much as anyone.

I know there are going to be RallyPoint members who respond with, “You only did 6 years, and you knew AAFES rules full well.” Well, here is what I say to that.

I did a 7-month tour in Iraq at FOB Taji. Easily left the wire more than 10 times. I hurt my shoulder due to wearing my kit a lot (30% rated). I did as much as most retirees, including retired grunts. I deserve AAFES access as much as any retiree. I respect that retirees served a little bit longer, but I did 7 months in Iraq.

Am I justified in thinking I should get full AAFES access?

Please vote in the survey below. Thank you.

Response by PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole made Apr 2 at 2015 5:15 PM

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We both contributed to our country and id say that for this minor matter of "store access" we can be treated the same.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Apr 2 at 2015 5:20 PM

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It seems to me that AAFES needs all the customers it can get. I was not aware of these restrictions. This seems self-defeating to AAFES and to all military veterans.
Have you pursued any congressional support?

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 2 at 2015 5:20 PM

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Then again, I never thought AAFES was all that big of deal either?

Response by SSgt Joe V. made Apr 2 at 2015 5:21 PM

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We may have gone 'out of the wire' but we didn't put in the full time. To me it is kind of like a MacDonald's employee looking for $15 an hour...it doesn't equate to me.

Without knowing your AFSC, it is hard to say if your time out of the wire was spent like mine, and I am not judging, but a 7 month tour and that comment about a 7 month tour is sure to ruffle a few feathers. People have spent better parts of careers now over there and I am sure they just love hearing this from the ChairForce. Again, no offense, just think about the impact of your words.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 5:29 PM

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Access requirements have always been a person with valid military identification card.

I respect and honor your service. But, I know of people who have served 17 years and then been discharged to to medical reasons. And they do not have access.

You simply did not fulfill the requirements to uses AAFES after separation. I am not even sure how you would get onto the military facility.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Apr 2 at 2015 5:39 PM

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I surly am not in the position to tell you what you should or should not be entitled to, but as explained to me one has to be 50% or more to have the proper ID to shop or receive privileges on post as well as military discounts given to vets. Without this Uniform Services ID, I don't think they will allow it. Sorry, I hope I'm wrong!

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Apr 2 at 2015 5:59 PM

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@Anonymous, you lost me with this single comment: "I respect that retirees served a little bit longer, but I did 7 months in Iraq." My legitimate thought on this is "so what?" Not saying that service in Iraq (or Afghanistan, HOA, etc) is something to dismiss, but lets be clear here, if we are going to go based on where and how long someone served, I would start with COMBAT Vietnam, Korea, and WWII vets FIRST, than move to those who served in country, so on and so forth.

I note that you make a fuss over being in Iraq and "going outside the wire" once every 2.5 weeks or so (7 months x 4 weeks =28 weeks, divide that by 10 (the number of times you say you went outside) and rounded to nicer number), so If we lowered the criteria to going outside at least once a week, you would still be mad, even thought they clearly are "owed" it more than you. How about we limit it to just folks with CAB, CAM, CAR, CFMB, CIB, and awards with "V" devices etc?

My BL point here is this, stop trying to justify your service for benefits by creating even smaller and smaller classes of "veterans" just so that you can fit in the box. Be proud of your service, enjoy the benefits you earned, don't complain about the ones you failed to meet the well established requirements for?

Response by CDR Terry Boles made Apr 2 at 2015 6:02 PM

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Let me say I respect your service, you served longer than many in the US population and sacrificed much. However with that being said, I think of the BX, AAFES, NEX, commissary, etc. as a job perk for those still on active duty, medical retirees, and 20+ year retirees. As such one would not be entitled to a Google job perk once they leave Google as an example, or free/discounted food at McDonalds as a former employee. Perks for any job has traditionally been associated with one’s employment or retirement status; no difference here.

As already mentioned, I too look at this perk as a saving of sales tax only with large purchases as better deals normally can be had in town.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 6:11 PM

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I'm sure there is a reason for that decision. I think the reason is they don't want people who only served for one term get all the benefits than those who committed most of their life to the military. I wouldn't mind seeing it drop to having 10 or 15 years service to shop there/commissary.

Response by TSgt David Holman made Apr 2 at 2015 6:17 PM

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No, 7 months of singular sacrifice does not equal 20+ years of dedicated service/sacrifice...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 6:25 PM

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I think that 20 years is a long time, however someone who served one term, i do not think earned lifetime bennifits. I do however think that if you served more than 10 years, then certain bennifits should remain.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Apr 2 at 2015 6:36 PM

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I'll be bad and buy anything you want from AAFES as long as it is for personal use. I'm not going to get sucked into a labeling debate of retired vs veteran, combat vs non combat, longevity vs medical retirement, etc. The more restrictions we try to apply to membership, the smaller our group becomes. If I had my way, I would say anyone who served their country honorably should be able to have little perks like that. Retirement has great benefits already (besides the lifetime paycheck) for eexample: medical coverage. I paid an extra $5,000 just to cover Hitomi before we got married. If being able to shop online at the PX can save one of my brothers or sisters $100 or more I say ABSOLUTELY. We already treat civilians better than we get credit for. They can be crack heads and get their free benefits. I can't get a refill on medication through the VA without passing a drug screening first. How does that pass the common sense test?

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 6:40 PM

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I would really love to come to your defense as a brethren AF member, but I simply can't. I do not mean in any way to denigrate your service, but no.

A couple points of flawed logic here:
1) To say, "I did as much as most retirees, including retired grunts" is flagrantly absurd. Especially when there are retirees that spend their ENTIRE career deploying... for a year at a time... going outside the wire daily... humping rucks... Do you see where I am going with this?

2) "I respect that retirees served a little bit longer, but I did 7 months in Iraq." A *little* bit longer? You floundered between 5 years and 6 years in, so they served 14-15 years more. That is a lot more.

Please enjoy all the benefits that Target and Walmart offer. They sometimes have better prices than the BX.

Response by TSgt Kevin Buccola made Apr 2 at 2015 6:44 PM

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It is an added benefit for retirees. if you have access with the VA you are more than welcome to use the http://www.vacanteen.va.gov/

Veterans Canteen Service - Internet

#1 Jefferson Barracks Rd Bldg 25 St. Louis, MO 63125 Phone: 314-845-1200 7:30am – 4:30pm CST Get Directions

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 7:19 PM

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I do not know how old you are or if you still qualify for military service.

If you do then you can shop AAFES. Simply join a reserve unit. Then after 15 years you can become gray card eligible and at age 60 you are fully retired.

Response by SFC Miguel Lopez made Apr 2 at 2015 7:39 PM

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I believe your service connected disability needs to be followed up or submit additional claims to increase your rating to get a permanent AAFES benefits as part of your disability. You should check with your local veteran's commission office to learn more about your situation. In the meantime link up with a cardholder authorized to shop and get all your shopping done until you get your own DD 1173.

Response by CPT Bruce Rodgers made Apr 2 at 2015 8:27 PM

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Oh I don't know, I did 18 years and two deployments plus I have lost the use of my legs so I didn't get full retirement, but your right we are same.
Hahahahaha
I know brothers who are a lot more disabled than me and our disabilities were not from a kit. So with much deference to your service I find your attitude of entitlement insulting

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 2 at 2015 8:27 PM

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Non-retiree here. Did 8 years and got out.

Here's my take.

Veterans are Discharged. We leave the service.

Retirees are not. They are removed from the active rolls, and subject to recall.

As such, they are "entitled" (I hate to use this word) to specific privileges, such as the Commissary, Exchange, etc.

Would I like to have those privileges? You bet I would. Do I "deserve" those privileges? No. The Law is very clear about who gets those specific privileges.

Heck, 15 years ago, reservists didn't even have the same privileges as active duty. I knew a Reserve Major, who had a Dependents ID Card, which granted him better Base Privileges than his own Geneva Convention Card (Military ID aka CAC).

For several years now, Congress has researched whether granting additional privileges to Vets would make sense. Each year it is "tabled." Maybe someday that will change, but as it stands, a Vet's Benefits are different than a Retiree's Benefits (they also get Vet's benefits).

Response by SSG John Conquest made Apr 2 at 2015 9:01 PM

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I served my 20 but I don't use the AAFES or what the Navy has? I can find better deals off post. I'll put it this way if you didn't put your time in then you shouldn't have those retirees perks, I stuck it out and a bunch others stuck it out, It's only fair.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 9:24 PM

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Sure, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to. They let non-service member civilian federal employees have that benefit; why not Veterans? (AAFES on-line)

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Apr 2 at 2015 9:41 PM

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First of all, if you're not good enough to put a name behind the post then so be it. No way does six, seven years equal twenty. Would you like a little cheese and crackers with your whine?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 9:45 PM

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The policy is just fine.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 9:46 PM

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Anonymous....? I'm glad you're still with us after leaving the wire 10 times...! Try hundreds of patrols and missions. I could only imagine what you would feel entitled to if you'd done that. Thanks for the years that you did put in though. Now go do good things and be a good representative for service members in the civilian sector.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 2 at 2015 9:51 PM

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Twenty years is a long time. If you didn't do twenty and wish for benefits; well! You should have thought of that before separating!

Response by LTC Gavin Heater made Apr 2 at 2015 9:51 PM

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I think that the overall Exchange programs are going the way of the Dodo bird with the slate of future Defense and benefits cuts unless they become revitalized. Reengaging former customers, such as Honorably Discharged personnel, including Medically Discharged personnel, would go a long way to revitalizing these services. In many locales, Base Exchanges can't compete, and only offer tax savings. However, in some communities they are competitive, both in store and online. Perks are of limited value of the service they offer goes away.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 10:07 PM

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If you got a 30% rating from the Military you would get a medical retirement. Thats the same ID card as a retire with 20 years and an ID card to shop on post etc. If you only got a 30% rating from the VA and less from the military PS it's always less then they decided your injury won't keep you from serving and doing your job. So if your healthy enough to serve and choose NOT to then no you don't deserve the benefits since it's the same as quitting a normal job you lose those benefits when you leave. NOW IF your injury happened ON DUTY AND they decided it prevents you from serving you either get 30% with all the benefits OR a type of payment that's takes in factors assuming you would of stayed in until 20 years then they cut you a large check for your injuries. GOING OUTSIDE THE WIRE doesn't mean anything anyone who served their country and was injured in the line of duty deserves the same benefits if you break your back in training for airborne school you should get the same as someone with the same injury as someone deployed. Most injuries happen in training inside and outside of IET since the military saying is train like you fight so it's easy to get hurt doing routine training missions such as jump school or flying and crashing like just happened in FL we all read about that one recently LONG STORY SHORT ITS ALL ABOUT YOUR RATING 30% gets you the same benefits if that's what the AD rated you now if you can still preform your job then have to keep doing it or naturally you lose the benefits unless your 30 or higher lower gets you a large check for your expected service you have chances to dispute the rating they give you if you chose not to then that's on you they explain all of this on your way out hope i helped forgive the grammar Im on my phone trying to multitask good luck with your rating decision

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 2 at 2015 10:09 PM

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When I retire I don't plan to shop at AAFES, not even online.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 10:15 PM

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well hear is my question if you got out then why are you comeing back to base. If you are out then go and do what civilians do. Why if you are out and unless you have any reason to be on base then why are you? Also are you saying that you deserve it because you were in for 5 years or because you were in Iraq for 7 moths or because you left the fob a wopping 10 times? Or is it because you had to wear a IBA? I just don't get why you want it so bad or why you feel that you have done so much to keep it. I try to stay off base when I am off so I don't understand why you want to go shop there. Or why you want to go on base in the first place not being in the military now.

Response by MSgt Steve Miller made Apr 2 at 2015 10:25 PM

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I was compelled to vote NO! Mostly with the thought that there is really nothing broken. I did 21 years as a Marine, and therefore have mostly seen just Marine base PX and commissary privileges. I did not think much of them then, and I think less of them now. I have found that Costco and Sam’s club have great savings with a far better selection. Plus I hate the time it takes just to get on and off of Luke Air Base, and let’s not forget the drive.

Regardless, guys and gals that stay the 20 plus years should have a little more in benefits than those that leave sooner. The thought that everyone regardless of time served should get the same equals equality. I for one do not believe in equality. The first hint of equality presented itself to me in the late 80’s when both of my boys played peewee soccer on base. Every single team received a trophy regardless of how they placed. I thought that odd and pushed it aside. In the years that followed with the same behavior revealed what we were teaching our children. That being that we are all winners. When I played sports as a kid there were just three places and therefore only three trophies given as 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Everyone else sucked wind! Neither of my boy’s teams placed in the top three, but they both received a trophy that read the same as everyone else’s team including the team that actually won it all. This behavior is a lie and only serves as a fallacy to life; that being regardless of how you and/or your team plays you’re still a winner. Those of us that have seen combat time no that not everyone is a winner.

Please do not get me wrong, as I’m not saying that those that served less than 20 years are losers. I’m simply stating that a person that does 3, 10 or even 15 years has in fact served less than 20.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 10:37 PM

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I respect the fact that you served but comparing a 5 year enlistment and a 7 month tour with a 20 year career out wrong and multiple tours that combined add up to a couple years is just flat out wrong on so many levels.

I won't even get into your comment about leaving the wire 10 times or so in 7 month (and that you were Air Force). All I have to say to that is I'm combat arms and everytime someone counts their times outside the wire it tells me that it must have been pretty boring... but that is a whole different story, so back on topic.

5 years is just a little bit less than 20+, so why not give everybody full medical benefits to if they served as least one enlistment which could be as short as 2 years, but let me guess 2 would probably not be enough since we don't want to be ridiculous here.
It should be at least 5 years and a couple months in combat?!

It is very sad that even veterans are trying to take some of the hard earn benefits from our retirees. Because if it would be openend up to everyone that ever served at least a couple days thee system would break down and where would be the benefit of staying in then? There wouldnt be one, you get what you worked for and therefore earned.
If you didnt put the time in and dedicated yourself to the profession, thank you for your service best of luck in the civilian world and move on...

One last thing, a lot of the post on here are on point when talking about that we should first take care of our veterans from previous wars (korea, vietnam etc.) becaue they did not have the same support systems in place or the support from the people back then so it's our duty to take care of them.
You did you tour, outstanding, you are getting VA benefits that's what you earned that's what you are getting.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 2 at 2015 10:40 PM

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Mixed feelings but bottom line, there won't be a critical mass of will to make it happen when the consequence costs are added up. There's no free lunch.

Things have changed over the years for access particularly for Reserve and Guard, but I doubt the notion of anyone who ever served gets the full privilege will come to pass. First a significant expansion of base access which costs. Then an overcrowding of facilities which to rectify would cost. And then the likely demand on all other MWR services which would cost. I doubt the commercial recreation sector would support either, i.e. the cheap 3 Day Disney Park Hopper for such an increase either. Also the commercial sector and unions always lobbies the political types to not take food out of their babies mouths by the government providing expanded services to a large sector. Just ask any Seabee or Army Engineer or Red Horse type how the construction unions won't let them train out in town.

Finally I believe there is an unspoken undercurrent to provision of any service such as medical, dependent access, Exchange, etc. These things are provided to attract and keep service members in, preferably productive and happy as it costs a pile of money to get them trained up and effective. Career types look forward to these services as part of their retirement compensation package. However during my 32 years from E-1 to O-6 and now retired, I've frequently observed a cultural desire by the system for people who no longer serve to just go away and not clog the system. So just think where you are on the "We Care" chain. This attitude gets worse when there are more cuts and leadership is evermore pressed just to get a ship underway let alone care about "noise" elsewhere. The system gets no benefit by doing it and would only do it if forced by legislation which is problematical. The hatchets are already out for retired pay.

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Apr 2 at 2015 10:40 PM

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Im impressed with the 30% rate for leaving the wire 10 times and being deployed 7 months. Hell I did 20 years in a combat mos caring heavy gear my entire career and didn't get a percent for my shoulders.
But hey, I can go to the px.
You can probably detect a bit of sacasm in my answer. You have a legitimate question, but when you compare yourself to a grunt while stating how many times you deployed and "left the wire" it sounds like you are crying about it. I have known fellow Marines and Soldiers that have lived outside the wire for most of their 4 year enlistment and still don't have px privileges.
There are certain perks you get as you put on rank during your time in. Same goes for retirement. I stayed in so I could get those perks, mainly retirement. But base and px access is just a plus.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 10:50 PM

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Mmmm, wow! The sense of entitlement is strong in this one! So, you left the wire like 10 times over a 7 month time period, eh? Tell me, these 10 occasions wouldn't have been LOGPACs to Victory Base Camp, by chance, would they? I only got there once, and it was on an overnight, but I do hear that they had one fine PX complex there, back in the day! Sounds like your kind of place. Just sayin.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 10:51 PM

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I like how you want to remain anonymous, but we can't answer you that way...LOL

Retirees...retired----The amount of sacrifice for at least 20 years deserves more than what is provided.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 2 at 2015 10:58 PM

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AAFES is for Active Service Members and Families, and then Retirees. Everyone who serves, does not deserve lifetime benefits.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 11:05 PM

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This was a hard post to stomach. I don't like hearing service members trying to stack up benefits. My wife complains because I won't ask stores if they have military discounts but I don't think it's right. I knew what I signed up for and the terms of that agreement. If someone wants to buy me a beer, great, but I think it's wrong when I hear military or their spouses asking or arguing for a military discount. I know that's not the subject of this post but it is close enough. That I know of, no one should be signing up to get discounts on pots and pans or special treatment from civilians. I think it's embarrassing and below the high standard I believe service members should be attempting to adhere to.

Response by MSG Robert Mills made Apr 2 at 2015 11:15 PM

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"I put in my time as much as anyone" well no you did not put in as much time as anyone or anybody. You did not meet the requirement to retain the benefit. Also you made the choice to leave service Im assuming so that one is on you.

Response by SPC Juan Garcia. Jr made Apr 2 at 2015 11:36 PM

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If you have a VA card, you can go the canteen and order through the AAFES catalog and have it shipped to your house. You can also go through VA Canteen website and order through AAFES too. You just got to do your homework and find out this information.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 12:12 AM

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Let me start by saying thank you for your service. However, going in, and during your active duty time things were explained to you on how the service, and retirement works, or at minimum you would exercise initiative in finding out. Although five years is a good stretch, there are plenty here that agreed is not equal to 20 years. Not even by stretching reality.

The main issue I have with your comment is that you are trying to say that you almost did the same as a grunt does in 20 years. That is offensive, specially for those who have gone in more than one 7 month deployment, and goes out the wire 10 times during that time. You need to elaborate what that going out the wire also implies, did you just sit in a vehicle and drive to a bigger base? or did you have to hike 6 miles on foot? Being a line medic I take offense how you disrespect not only your fellow veterans, who have endured multiple deployments. In my short career, not even 12 years in, I have 4 tours with over 1000 missions of all kinds. And trust me, not trying to make this a pissing contest. You have or had the choice to suck it up and drive, or complete your 20 in the reserves. The service is not like being a politician who after only 6 years of at times, dubious service, get platinum retirement packages. We all signed the dotted line as volunteers, and I don't know about you, but I usually read the contracts I sign. Seems you failed to do so.

There are also plenty of other venues for combat vets, and yes, you do qualify for that, make sure that you understand I am not trying to demean what you sacrificed while in service, just don't go saying you have done more than a grunt does, because clearly you don't know what they do, or have to put up with. Have more respect for what they do. Remember, you are what they call POG, and very much acting like it. Look up on military one source, and the VA, and your local VA representative to see what other benefits you have actually earned, another one is become a member of the American Legion or VFW, another great resource and wealth of information.

One more thing, please stop saying your "kit". You should refer to it as your IOTV, OTV, or simply your combat load. We don't wear kits. we use gear. You are definitely getting pounded really hard if a grunt hears you saying it like that, take all of this as an honest advice. Good luck.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 3 at 2015 12:41 AM

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Your delusional rant does not deserve more than that comment.
Good riddance

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 3 at 2015 1:19 AM

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When you get to shop in AAFES again be sure to pick up a tube of this in the OTC medicine aisle.

Response by CW4 John Karl T. made Apr 3 at 2015 1:27 AM

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AAFES access is a benefit of being on active duty or retired. The primary foundation of this benefit is funding. If you think that benefit should be expanded to include vets or wounded vets or disabled vets or what ever, quit your whining and get busy. Band together with others of like mind and convince your senators and congressmen to increase the military budget to fund the extended benefit. While you are at it, get them to raise funding to put enough military personnel on duty so that our guys and gals are not having deploy to forward hazardous assignments so often that they cannot possibly recover mentally and physically from the effects of said deployments. Get them to reopen the closed bases so I don't have to drive 300 miles to utilize the benefits which I served 39 years to earn. But, I tell you what. Give me your address. I'll send you some cheese and crackers to go with your whine!

Response by SGT Chris Reese made Apr 3 at 2015 1:37 AM

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Now I know he/she wanted to remain anonymous.... lol 10 times??? That's all? I am a disabled Vet (50%) as well and served in OIF07-09 there is now way I would ever say a retiree done "a little more time". I'm sorry to say this but honestly you just made the most disrespectful remark I've ever read on here and Insulted all the retirees with this stupid post. I'm really amazed at how you injured your shoulder from "wearing my kit so much" yet only left the FOB so few times. To say you just as much as Grunts and retirees in just 5 years... wow you must be ranked America's most accomplished Service member ever... right? Oh yeah didn't think so.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 3:15 AM

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Congratulations for winning the award of the whiniest drivel ever written on this site. Reading through this thread I think all bases have been covered except one. I think this post may have been intentional trolling. Just like an arsonist that starts a fire and then fades into the crowd to watch the chaos he created.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Apr 3 at 2015 3:49 AM

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You knew the deal before you got out. Unless you served 20 years or more or got medically retired you know full well what your "entitlements" are.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Apr 3 at 2015 4:16 AM

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For whatever reason I couldn't post a response after I down-voted 1LT Rachel Bryant. LT, according to every instruction that I've found you are misinformed about who can shop in AAFES and the Navy/Marine Corps Exchange. Here is just a small example of what my research revealed; http://www.aafes.com/Images/Community/AREA/tg1003.pdf

Yes some veterans are entitled to shop at AAFES on-line but that is through a program with the VA Canteen, and those veterans need to have a certain disability rating (30% I believe but I could be wrong) before they are eligible to use it.

Please note that I'm not down voting you to be a jerk.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 5:14 AM

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Wow... The balance between tactful and professional response or offering this bozo a nice cup of STFU... Which way does an old Jarhead/Airman/Soldier lean...? Let's see...30+ years in 3 different uniforms. Deployments going back to 1983 - more than 11 and possibly more in the future. Time inside and outside the wire in Boznia and Iraq. Pins in my leg from one too many non-Hollywood jumps. NO 30% rating from VA (yes, I need to take the time to file but it hasn't been a priority). Came OUT of retirement to put the uniform BACK on and NOT file for VA disability. Aches having nothing to do with wearing my gear.

7 months in Iraq. Not touching that one.

The fact that there is an attempt to equate 5 years of service to 1) a full 20 year commitment and 2) that anyone is the AF not serving as a TACP, PJ, CCT or SERE compares themselves to a retired Grunt... This is where the tactful and professional response comes in to play... I'll just say thank you for your hardship tour in the Box.

Gonna sign off now with this...

If you want the respect of those on this site then man-up, step-up and put your name on your post.

David L. Strickland
CPL -USMC
MSGT-USAFR
CPT-USAR

Response by SSG Stacy Carter made Apr 3 at 2015 5:19 AM

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As a fully disabled retiree I find your statements just a bit condescending. You did not do as much as I did. During my 22 years of service I spent half of it on hardship tours.

When you left service before being eligible for retirement you gave up your eligibility to use AAFES. I am sure that you completed your TAP class prior to exiting the Air Force and they told you that you would lose that benefit. If you didn't want to lose that benefit you shouldn't have ETS'd.

I do not know why you got out, and quite frankly I don't care. The only real benefit of using AAFES is the tax free. You can normally get better deals at Walmart or target. Time to suck it up and move on.

Response by Col Kyle Taylor made Apr 3 at 2015 6:42 AM

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I didn't select either answer because neither express my opinion. Your point is well taken. The issue is should Veterans receive exchange and for that matter commissary privileges? Well, it would be good to allow those who served in combat an additional benefit but then you aren't allowing the others such as a 2 year general discharge to use the facilities. What about spouses of veterans? I know a lady who was married for over 35 years to a retired veteran...she can use the facilities because they are now divorced and were only married for 18 of his active duty years even though as I said they were married for a total of over 35 years. A dividing line has to be made and followed like every other rule. Perhaps you can join the guard or reserves and finish your time and regain that privilege.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Apr 3 at 2015 7:17 AM

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For the record: Though I disagree with the contention of this post, I also disagree with all the "down" votes. The question, though ( I believe ) misguided, was asked in good faith, and asked for the opinions of RallyPoint members.
My opinion, respectfully.

Response by SSG Rob Cline made Apr 3 at 2015 8:03 AM

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@anonymous is probably trolling, but here goes...

His 'Kit' must have been on his character on COD.

This is just another fine example of how the 'younger' generation are wanting unearned entitlements.

And as far as danger and deployments go:
3 tours in Iraq; 1@15 months; 1@12 months; 1@ 6 months (Because I got MEDEVAC'd)
- OVER 500 convoys in first tour alone (10 convoys, Pffft)

1 10 month tour in Afghanistan
- 148 hours of mission flight (UH-60's and CH-47's), in addition to convoys

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 8:07 AM

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I think that it's absurd to try to justify one persons service over someone else's. To say that wearing a kit injured you should gives me pause to wonder. However of all the things offered veterans and retirees I find it hard to believe that AAFES access is even being discussed. Especially when we consider that at various overseas installations retirees cannot use AAFES or DECA.

Response by SPC Joshua H. made Apr 3 at 2015 8:13 AM

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Wow, whine much? You're not rated 100% (injured shoulder from carrying your kit? really?), you're not retired, and you got what you earned. I can see why you want to stay anonymous, because you don't want to be called out by name. A buddy of mine was a 11B over there and "left the wire" almost daily. Another buddy was a Ranger (75th ranger regiment) and spent plenty of time door kicking out side of the wire. Guess what? Neither of them complain about losing access to AAFES. I was a 19K (Tanker) and spent a year in Bosnia, and no, I don't deserve it either...suck it up buttercup.

Response by CPO Sam Gilliland made Apr 3 at 2015 8:23 AM

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Deploying is part of the job we all volunteered for. Getting injured wearing your kit is why you are getting workmans comp va benefits. I do believe combat injured (Purple Heart) service members should be entitled to AAFES. Big difference in injuries from a Kit. You knew you were not getting AAFES when you voluntarily got out. Suck it up cupcake.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Apr 3 at 2015 8:46 AM

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I understand your point but truth be told you are way off with you comments in the 4th paragraph. I too am a non-retired veteran and I work on post (stateside) and yes there are times it would be nice to be able to run into a shopette or exchange to get something quick but the rules are the rules.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 8:51 AM

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There is a post right below yours titled "What is the funniest thing you've heard a civilian say about the Military". I think that this is where your post should have been placed.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 3 at 2015 8:52 AM

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First to "Anonymous" thank you for your service to our country....that being said, your total time in active service is 1/5 of mine, your total time in Iraq is less than 1/2 of mine, your total time outside the wire, well lets just say it is about 1/10 or so of mine. You did nowhere near "as much as most retirees", let alone "retired grunts". You deserve my thanks and the thanks of a grateful nation for your service in Iraq and at home station, but that is it, nothing more. So in answer to your real question, no you are not justified in your thinking that you deserve full AAFES access and the sense of entitlement you have shown in the words you put forth in your post quite honestly make me sick to my stomach and is indicative of a larger "problem" within our society as whole today. I do not know you or really anything about you, but you strike me as someone that feels that they are owed more than they actually are and are butthurt that your needs are not being met by the entity you feel owes you. Again I thank you for your service, but that is about all that I feel you are owed.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Apr 3 at 2015 8:59 AM

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I shop at the Exchanges and Commissaries knowing that the prices isn't like it use to be years ago, but knowing that some monies is contributed to the MWR is a plus. I agree with everyone else about better deals at places like Walmart, Target, ect., but those stores doesn't have every exact items on the shelves like AAFES and NEX that's what makes the stores on base unique along with the no tax policy and quality merchandise. Anonymous, thank you for your service, I'm sorry you are disappointed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 9:17 AM

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The fact is for aafes to continue operating it needs to open its doors too non-retires. Walmart has comparable prices and at times is flat out cheaper. The reason walmart is cheaper is due to their broad market base which allows them to purchase their goods at a cheaper rate. For aafes to be competative they need to broaden their consumer base and lower their prices to encourage shoppers. Otherwise it will be one more benefit that will be lost for all.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 9:18 AM

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You EASed that's it, you get your GI Bill and it sounds like you scammed some "disability" out of it too rock on, thank you for your service, and pound sand.

7 months on FOB Taji and went outside the wire more than 10 times...........seriously bro?

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 9:48 AM

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We all know there are additional benefits afforded to retirees both pay and privileges both at the state and federal level.

Response by 1LT Brian Yang made Apr 3 at 2015 9:48 AM

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First of all, Thank you for your service. You must remember that AAFES and other on-post amenities are privileges not rights. As a veteran you should know just as well as I that we don't "deserve" anything. The sense of entitlement that I felt reading this rubbed me the wrong way. If it's saving money that you're after, I'm sure household 6 has plenty of coupon ideas.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Apr 3 at 2015 9:55 AM

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First off Thanks for your service. You did your one 7 month tour In the AIR FORCE and think that You have Done AS MUCH AS THE GRUNTS! Well so to get BUTT HURT, I have seen the way the Air Force Lives. I was a Grunt, And an MP now. I have lived in the foxholes with the spiders, and the sand fleas and the Desert Mice, and Snakes. I have been shot at, and Mortared. I lived in a tent that was made of Cotton material that when it rained ALL you gear was wet. I have been baked in the sun, and frozen in the winter. I have eaten nothing but MRE's For 3 meals a day for 6 months. Our chow hall was an MKT(Mobile Kitchen Trailer), I have 2 bad knee's and a bad back from carrying 185 LBS plus for days on end. I have 15 yrs service in. 5 in the MPs now.
So you put your KIT on every day. Max weight was 100lbs, have 1 tour in Iraq, and have 6 yrs In. Brother all I can say is Get over it. These RETIRED people have put in at LEAST 20 yrs. Some have 35! They might have been to Vietnam and seen just a little more than going out of the wire 10 times. Some have wiped there buddies guts of there face, some have ran through withering fire to get said buddy to the aid station or to the medic.
They didn't stay in Air conditioned room, and have Crab and Lobster at most every meal at the DFAC, and daily trips to the PX. When I was At BIAP you guys had it better than most. Had the Army protecting the the air base and the Security Forces protecting the air base.

SO FORGIVE ME BUT, YES I THINK THE RETIREES DESERVE THE RIGHTS TO THE PX OVER YOU!

Response by SrA David Steyer made Apr 3 at 2015 10:05 AM

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Personally I don't shop at AAFES unless I have to, DeCA I am there every day. Now as much as I think AAFES and DeCA would get more $$$ if we allowed veterans to shop there that are non-retired however the initial way this member comes off is wrong, and greedy IMO. SMSgt Stephanie McGirr said it best.

This response may get me down voted: But I want to get it off my chest. If you to shop at AAFES that badly, how about you get a job there? Or you can join the AFR. Believe it or not in the AF Reserves there are people who are 30-50% rated but it all depends on your AFSC and if your unit is accepting, however you won't get any compensation for the days you drill.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Apr 3 at 2015 10:30 AM

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There is a significant difference between someone who served 7 years and someone who served 20, 30 or more. AAFES, Commissary and Medical Benefits, among others, are incentives to encourage military members to make a career of the military.

I will not restate what so many others who have responded have said. Suffice it to say that I strongly believe that the policy should remain as it is.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 10:32 AM

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Well, lets look at the sad state of affairs with the trend of this posting. With more urgent issues on what is going on in the world today and this non important topic is on top. We should be more situational aware, in the end any of us can and will be send to quell all these issues. We should all move on, and talk about how to keep US safe, and defend our constitution who seems to be trampled a lot lately.

Response by MSG Bo Lathrop made Apr 3 at 2015 10:49 AM

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Hmmm. Retired grunts huh?
I've been in the Army for almost 14years. Deployed 4 times. Will probably deploy again. I left the wire over 10 times in a week my first deployment, wore my IOTV more times than I can count.
There's soldiers and marines out there that have done more than me.. You honestly think you did as much as us? I don't think so. I think you need to get over yourself and accept that a retiree has done a minimum of 13 more years than you.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 10:49 AM

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I called AAFES and VETERANS do have access to their site through the Veteran's canteen site. I thought it was weird that civilian government employees had access but the Veterans we serve didn't. Have fun shopping!

Response by SSG Jonathan Bolson made Apr 3 at 2015 10:55 AM

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The non retirees should be able to utilize aafes and other base amenities for a short period, just like the VA now I only have 5 years of medical services to non related to my rating. Long enough for me to establish myself and have a secure job as well as having health care insurance by then.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 10:57 AM

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Airman Anonymous (damn, that sounds like a 12-step program!), though I replied to you last evening, in my typical sarcastic manner, asking if you frequently made LOGPAC runs to the AAFES complex on VBC, there is so much more that I failed to mention, things that you need to hear, whether you wish to hear them or not.

Back in February, I posted a question on this forum, asking what's the problem with the Air Force culture? That post is the most popular question I have ever asked here on RP, and as a result, I now have connections with Air Force personnel at all levels who have been more than patient with me in explaining how the Air Force is structured, organizational relationships, mission-oriented mindsets, internal cultures and attitudes, etc. Though a few people here and there took mild offense to an Army Officer posing this question, I have thus far been able to explain that it is merely based upon perceptions and observations of one or more sister service and how these in turn are blended into a larger myth or legend that the Air Force has serious issues as a fighting force. Thus far, my explanation has been satisfactory. I invite you and highly encourage you to take a good look at this post.

Through the discussions in the threads on this post, I have met many proud and outstanding Air Force professionals; men and women I would gladly go to war with any day: Capt Christopher Mueller; CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member; MSgt Jim Pollock; Col Joseph Lenertz; TSgt Joshua Copeland; SSgt Private RallyPoint Member; MSgt Jack Finchum; TSgt Private RallyPoint Member; MSgt Jamie Lyons; Col Michael Grubbs, Ph.D., LMFT-S... and many more I could list, but simply haven't the time (For those not mentioned by name, please know you have not been slighted.).

These proud, dedicated professionals have educated and enlightened not just me, but thousands of others here on RP, assuring us all that in fact the answer to my question is that there is no true problem with the culture of the Air Force, it's more a matter of perception.

So then, why do questions like this continue to persist and pester the United States Air Force? Do you know why Airman Anonymous?

These questions, and the perceptions that accompany them, persist because of Airmen like you! Your entire attitude of entitlement, "I wanna go to the PX!", "I'm 30% disabled just from wearing my BA!" ""I went outside the wire 10 times in 7 months!"... Look in the mirror? What do you see? If you don't see the personification of the problem with Air Force culture, perhaps you can get a VA rating for your vision, too!

It would have been more than okay to ask the opinion of the RP community whether or not PX privileges is a benefit that should be open to anyone honorably discharged after his or her initial term of service. In fact, if you were to frame your question like that, I'm willing to bet that 99% of the members on here would see no need for you to cloak yourself under a veil of secrecy. However, that wasn't your game plan, and quite frankly, whoever it was in the RP Headshed that decided to sanction your stunt by posting it for you did the wrong thing and has set a bad precedent for the future.

Your attitude is abysmal. It is beyond insulting. I thank you for your service; yes, you have done more than most, but so little in comparison to many others. If I were you, I would respectfully request whoever posted this at your behest to remove it, and in it's place post a sincere and heartfelt apology to all of those you have insulted.

What's The Problem With The Air Force Culture? | RallyPoint

EDIT: In the interest of fairness and full disclosure, I am leaving the original text of this post below so that you may see how I originally approached this question. When I first posted this, I was still a relative newcomer to RallyPoint. I was and still am curious about Air Force culture, working on Fort Snelling, MN, home of the 934th Air Wing, United States Air Force Reserve as well as the 133rd Tactical Fighter Squadron, Minnesota Air...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 10:57 AM

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I don't think you phrased the question in the right way. The tone especially is galling.
A better question would be, "should AAFES facilities be available to veterans, disabled veterans, etc, if practicable?"
Personally, I miss the museums, gyms and pools more than the px. I'd like to see a program where veterans can get on post and access some things. Like a membership club similar to COSTCO. Pay $100 a year and get access to the px and some MWR facilities like the gym, campgrounds, etc. Obviously still charge for things, probably a higher a rate and put us at the bottom of the priority list.
But I'm looking at this as a revenue stream. I'm not sure what the costs of integration would be.
In the end though these "perks" are for active service members. Historically retirees kept close to military installations, or, like Eisenhower, lived on the installations after retirement. Any American military history fan can tell you how important those retirees were given the fluctuations in the size of the military in the 19th and early 20th centuries. They were pressed back into service over and over. And that's the kicker, a retired veteran is subject to bring called back into active service and it has happened. When I was in, 1999-2004, a 72 year old retired psychiatrist was brought back to active duty because he was one of the last mental health people around with experience dealing with large numbers of PTSD.
Talk to the officers who served during the cold war, ask them about plans for mobilizing large numbers of troops. Who would lead those new units? Retirees called back to service. then maybe, after the draft started, people like you and me might fill out the middle ranks.
So that's why retirees get the things they do. They aren't retired in the traditional civilian sense, it's more like the inactive reserve.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Apr 3 at 2015 10:58 AM

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I don't mean to slight any of my brothers and sisters who served, but putting in your 20 and retiring is a mark of distinction above serving less than 20 and leaving the military. We all have our reasons for taking the career paths we do.

I applaud anyone who has served, deployed or not and have respect for those who have been injured in LOD, but where does entitlement end? The VA has turned me down flat on my claims for sleep apnea, botched surgery and a back injury. Maybe I haven't pushed hard enough but then again, people are coming home without limbs and worse to an over burdened system so what do you do?

"I hurt my shoulder due to wearing my kit a lot (30% rated). I did as much as most retirees" If you worked 6 years and not 20 years, how did you manage to "do as much as most retirees"? I'm sure many would argue that they did a lot more in your missing 14 years than you did in 6. I had a herniated disk in February, had it fixed and deployed in July with 17 years in and 3 to go. I spent 3 years overseas during my 20 so how is your 7 months "as much" as mine.

Besides, other than no sales tax and some exclusive military items, what are you really missing? I go to the BX at Newport periodically and for the most part you get better prices at Target and Walmart.

I really think you need to re-evaluate your position and think twice about what you are calling discrimination. You feel entitled because of your service, even though you do not meet the criteria for a benefit, Sorry that's not discrimination, that's griping.

Response by SFC Douglas Duckett made Apr 3 at 2015 11:09 AM

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@anonymous (who I think is just a false poster just to generate discussion)
The following statistics are the best I could find at the moment; however, for the trends and my point, they will work. In 2011 there were 130,206 military individuals eligible for longevity retirement, of those only 34,859 or 26.8% retired; this from a total force of 1,429,995 (all branches). So as one can see, the actual retirement pool is small and the actual retiree pool is smaller. If it were easy, everybody would do it.
When I joined in 1981, I was promised certain things if I served honorably and retired, PX and commissary privileges were part of the package. I subsequently served 23 years on active duty and 7 years in the reserve system; total 30 years. I was medically discharged with 80% rating. My only MOS that I carried through two combat operations (Grenada and Iraq) was 11B (Infantry); hence the 80 percent disability.
I made an agreement with my country and stood by that agreement, thick and thin, and my country has honored their part (so far). If you feel that your limited service and experiences equate to most “longevity retired” Veterans, then petition you elected representatives and attempt to have them make changes. As the military is cutting down and DOD is looking at restructuring retirement benefits, I think you may be wasting more of your time.

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Apr 3 at 2015 11:09 AM

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first i want to thank you for your service.
i spent 26 years of missing birthdays,anniversaries, parties, etc. so as far as being able to use AAFES i think i have put in my time to earn that privilege.
and i have to say it, you knew the rules gong in 20+ gets you these privileges not 19

Response by SGT Forrest Perez made Apr 3 at 2015 11:15 AM

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I Did not retire but did 8+ years in 82nd.there is no aafes in Wisconsin but would like the opportunity next time I'm near bragg to look around at the exchange

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 11:15 AM

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Please tell me this is an April Fools joke?

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 11:16 AM

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I did 5 years, a year and a half at sea deployed to the gulf and I can't shop at AAFES and I'm not mad about it. If you spend all your time worried about what trivial "benefit" you did or didn't get from the military, you are going to lead a sad existence. Instead, revel in your GI Bill AND Voc Rehab benefits plus your 10 point hiring preference with the federal government. QUITCHERBITHCIN.

Response by CW2 John Brookins made Apr 3 at 2015 11:36 AM

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This is an incentive to do the full retirement time.

Response by PFC Brian Stanley Jacobson made Apr 3 at 2015 11:46 AM

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I am a army veteran 80% disabled. Yes I would like access to aafes. I served one tour for 15 months in Iraq.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 12:05 PM

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Being able to shop at the liquor store on base after retirement was enough incentive to get me over the hump....

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 12:23 PM

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I really try to stay positive with my posts, and I am thankful for your service, but if you or anyone can tell me how serving 5 years active is the same as serving 20 years, I am listening. Just that statement is disrespectful to our veterans who have completed full careers. I respect anyone's service, but to start off a thread to a community to which you choose not to belong (RP), and then go on to ask for an opinion on personal benefits, that is simply disappointing.

If you were asking for counseling help, or help with the VA system or with some other service that was affecting your life in a non-material way, I'd be more sympathetic.

Darn it. I think CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member laid out the specific points better. Join the web site. Contribute. Be proud of your service and reach out to others that have served. Being angry about possibly not being able to shop at the PX/BX...not the end of the world.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 12:34 PM

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I'm also concerned and annoyed. Looking at this post as an admin, I thought anonymous postings weren't allowed. This one seems to have the RallyPoint Team endorsement on it. Has RP sunk so low now that we need to start infighting to increase rankings? I thought RP was better than that. Come on now RP. I know I'm a PV2 and not worthy of your respect. RP Team but seriously? Why would you allow such a thread?

SSG James J. Palmer IV. SFC Mark Merino what do you guys think?

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Apr 3 at 2015 12:40 PM

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It's always tough to separate your personal agenda from the purpose of a policy, but you have to at least TRY to see why the policy is the way it is. In your post, I don't think you even tried to look for the counterpoint to your self-centered argument. In addition, you have to ask yourself if your personal desires (using AAFES) are worth hurting your reputation (falling on your sword) over. To me, AAFES access is just not worth your reputation.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 12:58 PM

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If you were medically separated because of an injury suffered while deployed and were no longer deemed fit for duty, then sure I could back that. If you chose to separate, but were still capable of performing your duties, then no.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 3 at 2015 1:06 PM

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To start by answering your question, no you are not justified in your assumption that you rate retiree benefits. The only exception would be if your 30% was the result of a PEB or medboard. I am guessing that is not the case here. I will also comment on your ridiculous self entitlement that you compare your deployment to that of an jnfantry grunt. Your 10 times out the wire comes out to 1 1/2 trips per month. That leaves no comparison and just makes you look selfish and self boasting.
I was medically retired after 11 1/2 years and have a rating of 60%. Yes having on base benefits is handy but reserved for those who have sacrificed a bit more. You have several benefits entitled to you for being 30% disabled. Use those and be content.

Response by LTC Mark Maitag made Apr 3 at 2015 1:13 PM

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IMHO, veterans that left service short of 20 years with an honorable or under honorable conditions should not have the same level of entitlements as a retired service member. In no way does this discredit the non-retiree service; quite the contrary. However, we must recognize that going the distance of 20-30 years in military service is quite an accomplishment that deserves special recognition. Non-retiree veterans and combat veterans do receive other benefits...and I think those benefits to be appropriate.

There is a difference between a veteran and a retiree...they are not the same, and therefore the entitlements reflect that difference, and rightfully so. If you want to continue to shop at AAFES, receive retirement pay, use the post services like the gym and commissary, and continue with TRICARE...do your 20. That is the standard we are all measured by. Not everyone gets a trophy, and I am fine with that.

On another note, only combat veterans honorably discharged/under honorable conditions, and retirees may continue to where their uniforms when they are civilians...for special occasions as outlined in AR 670-1. I think this is an entitlement you can be proud of...there's not many in our society that have this privilege.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Apr 3 at 2015 1:40 PM

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In all honesty what makes you think you did as much as a 20 year veteran? Serving a shorter enlistment or officers obligation is your decision and while I do appreciate your service, sacrifice and deployments they are not sufficient to place you at the retiree level. While you feel you served as much as a 20 plus year service member, you did not.
I am including a link about 100% permanently disabled veterans who do have access to the base and all facilities on the base to include exchange privilege's.
I know a lot of veterans who only did between 3 and 10 years for reasons of their own they did not decide to do a full career, but they do not feel entitled to receive the same level of benefits that I do as a 24 year veteran / retiree.
I wont get all negative and say that you knew the AAFES rules but you should have known if your not a full retiree then you are not entitled to some of the base privilege's, its not discrimination its just the rules. Maybe one day they will change the rules but until that time you wont be entitled to use AAFES.

Here is the link:
http://www.lst1150.com/additional-benefits-when-rated-100-disabled-by-the-va.html

ADDITIONAL BENEFITS WHEN RATED 100% DISABLED BY the VA

This is an historical site detailing the memories of those young men that served, their country aboard the USS Sutter County LST 1150.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 1:43 PM

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To the person who posted this, did you think this out before putting it to print? As a 10 year Vet, I would NEVER have put this up here. ijs

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made Apr 3 at 2015 1:54 PM

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A few thoughts:
- Less than 1% of Americans serve in the US military at all (about 330M US citizens).
- In the Army only 15% serve to retirement. In other words 85% serve less than the 20 years required for military retirement.
- In a perfect world, anyone who has served in the military for any period of time would get benefits that the 99% of Americans either could not or would not serve in the first place.
- We do not live in a perfect world, however, and we must make prioritization decisions based upon limited resources and what seems like unlimited demands.
- Based upon the above, DoD has decided to prioritize AAFES benefits access to currently serving military personnel and military retirees. Words have meaning and military retiree has a specific definition. Anynomous from Watertown, MA does not meet the definition/criteria.
- Thank you for your five years of service within the USAF. Unfortunately, this service does not authorize you access to AAFES. It is what it is.

Response by MSgt Michael Durkee made Apr 3 at 2015 1:55 PM

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My AAFES privileges, came in handy just last year while doing an MI/TI validation. My team was unexpectedly housed and had to conduct operations in an open bay on the vehicle they were doing the form, fit, and function on. I went to the Exchange and purchased watch caps and ear warmers for my crew and our mission was a success.

Response by SSG John Cumming made Apr 3 at 2015 2:00 PM

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You say you did more than retirees doing 20 plus years in 6 years?? I doubt that very seriously. Quit your whining. Sounds like you are wanting more than you should get. How many nights did you have a bed to sleep in, a shower to wash, and hot meals to eat??? You wouldn't have lasted 1 day in iraq with us.. I can't even believe they gave you 30% disability for nothing. Now quit your belly aching. There are veterans out there that need real help.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 2:04 PM

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I believe every Veteran is deserving of this. It's not too much to ask for. I don't see the problem.

Response by ENS Jeramy P. made Apr 3 at 2015 2:05 PM

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I don't think you should rate the PX privileges unless you are retired. Why would you expect to receive this benefit if you dont qualify for it? There is no hardship requirement for retirement or Exchange/Commissary access it is completely related to years of service. Medical retirement is different than the disability you are collecting.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Apr 3 at 2015 2:15 PM

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Access to AAFES is a benefit of retirement, not of serving. It is intended to help retirees "stretch" their retirement income. That being said, I believe a case could be made for some who fall short of their 20 years towards retirement.

Assuming that retirement pay and benefits are inducements for personnel to remain on active duty, how can they be denied to those who served honorably and were committed to remaining on active duty until retirement, but released early through no fault of their own?

Maybe those who serve long term and were released from active duty involuntarily, not because of poor service or discipline problems, but rather because of "the needs of the service" should enjoy some benefits provided to retirees. They are, in effect, "disabled".

Think about it: Anyone who serves in the armed forces must compete in the civilian job market with those who didn't. The veterans among us know that we compete at a severe disadvantage because civilian employers rarely see the link between our military experience and their needs. The longer we remain in the military, the harder it becomes to compete for civilian jobs.

Most who retire from active service seek civilian employment. There is little hope of living on half pay, especially if you're still raising a family, and every retiree knows they suffer a disadvantage when competing for civilian jobs. However, those who serve less suffer it too. I served just shy of six years and I felt that disadvantage. Imagine someone who has served ten or fifteen years. At least those who retired have retirement pay to supplement their civilian income as well as greater purchasing power at AAFES. (Well, they have greater purchasing power in theory. The fact is that shoppers often enjoy deeper discounting at some civilian outlets such as Costco and Walmart. However, the lack of state sales taxes can be significant, especially in places like California where sales taxes exceed 10%)

Think about it...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 2:19 PM

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"I did a 7-month tour in Iraq at FOB Taji. Easily left the wire more than 10 times. I hurt my shoulder due to wearing my kit a lot (30% rated). I did as much as most retirees, including retired grunts. I deserve AAFES access as much as any retiree. I respect that retirees served a little bit longer, but I did 7 months in Iraq."

This is where you went wrong... 7 month tour in comparison to someone who has served 15+ years... well there is no comparison. A little bit longer??? Really??? You're question is condescending.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 2:27 PM

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I feel any service member who is service connected and have served more than the 180 days service and injured in the line of duty. Is entitled to services . Just remember AAFES Is not the best price Value in all areas. I have found things in the Exchange that was priced higher than my local Macy's store . The days of shopping savings at the Exchange went out with the rise of Walmart .

Response by MAJ Terry LaFrance made Apr 3 at 2015 2:37 PM

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The way the question is worded threw me for a minute, if the poll is what you're really asking. Frankly the PX system is no great shakes. I don't find it's worth the drive from mid town OKC to Tinker AFB (about 5 miles). A better question is "is the commissary worth it?" Of course the commissary is a different entity from the PX system.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 3 at 2015 2:43 PM

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Most epic troll post EVER on RP... Hundreds of replies took the bait and fed the troll, who is sitting back and giggling his butt off in his moms basement. After having been involuntarily separated and finding a other than honorable discharge really is a discriminator in the job market, trolling RP is the most eventful thing this troll can come up with,,and we all fed his ego.

Well done troll, if I could issue RP bages I would, simply because you managed to get om many Rp'ers engaged in your ridiculous post.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 2:45 PM

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You're the reason people make fun of the Air Force.

Response by MAJ John Storer made Apr 3 at 2015 3:05 PM

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Jesus.....are you kidding me? The first problem is the use of the word "deserve". I'm about done with the sense of entitlement we as a community have developed. Makes me sick--and don't get me started on when dependants start wearing their spouses' rank. You did your time, you are being compensated for you injury, move on.....and by the way, I served 20 years 7 months total time I uniform. The Army cannot find my medical records and so the disability claims I submitted for maladies received during 3 combat tours, including PTSD, TBI following 6 concussions and a vehicle roll over, e posture to cyclosarin nerve agent in DS/DS and a variety of other crap, sit in limbo with no service connection so QUIT YOUR WHINNING.....you bring disgrace to the uniform through your petty complaining.

Response by SSG Paul Lanciault made Apr 3 at 2015 3:54 PM

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I don't see the the right to shop at the commissary or exchange as a benefit I would use if I were entitled. Maybe to support MWR once in awhile. But as a money saving choice, not in this area, factor in the time and fuel and I wouldn't save a dime. I think they could and should widen their consumer options to help them compete and let them better serve the troops. But they must have some guide lines to follow or maybe they are making enough as it is now.

Response by CPO Levoy Morring made Apr 3 at 2015 4:35 PM

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Seriously?!? I mean SERIOUSLY?!? My first thought here was this has to be a joke. I honestly hope it is a joke. I voted a "No" here and would leave this comment for the poster:

There have been many brothers and sisters that served less time than you, made fewer trips outside the wire than you, deployed for less than 7 months at a time, spent countless hours missing Mom, Dad, Wife, Husband, Son, Daughter, Brother, Sister, and many other family members just like you, didn't have to wait as long as you for a letter or a care package, didn't have to carry his/her "kit" quite as long or far as you, and ultimately, unlike you, travelled home in a pine box. Be proud of the time you served and think often of the families that can no longer hold their son or daughter, kiss their husband or wife, those that don't get that kiss on the cheek from mom/dad, the daughter whose mom isn't around to plan that wedding, or her dad isn't there to walk her down the aisle. I could go on and on. Man/Woman up! Service to this great country does not mean rich brat entitlement!

Thank you for your service and I am glad you made it home safely.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Apr 3 at 2015 4:37 PM

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Ahhhhh yeah

Response by MSgt Jim Pollock made Apr 3 at 2015 4:52 PM

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Airman Anonymous, you clearly just don't get it. I salute your service--you've done more than most Americans. Realize, though, there is a subset of that subset that did more. We retirees spent a significant portion of our lives doing exactly what you are foot stomping about. There is a reward for doing more.

Guess what? The reward isn't AAFES or even a monthly check. The reward is that, barring serious misconduct, we are military members for life. Being retired is a military status, not a discharge. It's unlikely, but any of us could be recalled to active duty at any time. I regularly get mail with my rank before my name, and my heart skips a beat every time because I'm still part of the family.

You chose to get out after one enlistment. I stayed for many. There's no shame in either choice. The result is that I still have military status. You do not. AAFES requires a military affiliation, which I have and you do not. So what's the problem again?

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 6:05 PM

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more mwr money for soldier now.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 6:11 PM

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A little humility on your part would go along way in my opinion. I personally led 18 missions outside the wire in Iraq. I wouldn't even begin to compare that to the sacrifice of our fellow Veterans who did 20 years or more. Sure, there's a certain amount of risk involved with a deployment. But it's a short period of time. How many birthdays, holidays, tee-ball games, etc did the Veterans you're comparing yourself to miss over 20 years? Chances are they're deployed several times themselves.

An area where I do support expanding benefits is those who are medically retired. My wife received a blue "retired" ID after being medically retired but apparently that's not the case for all. If it were up to me any servicemember discharged due to injuries incurred during military service would receive at least these basic benefits.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 6:16 PM

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Because I want to keep it clean I am not gonna say completely what I would tell one of my Soldiers to their face. You are a veteran I will give you that but to say you are on the same level as every other veteran is complete BS. AAFES has its rules, learn to deal with it and just get a membership at SAMs Club.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Apr 3 at 2015 6:18 PM

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I am retired and haven't been in an AAFES facility in more than 15 years and very seldom used them when active duty the last 5 years or so. Unless you were under 30 the clothes were mostly for the younger troops and even designer labels were cheaper off base even with the tax. You're not really missing anything. Thanks for your service but inside the wire troops are important too so your argument to me is moot. Ruck up and move on.

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Apr 3 at 2015 6:19 PM

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While I do not agree with some of the statements made, as a 12 year Veteran, still waiting for my VA claim and disability rating, I feel that my service was worth more than the "nothing" I get now. I chose not to complete another 8 years and go until retirement eligible to instead focus on my family and young children. I then rejoined the civilian work force and started atthe bottom. Again. With "kids" 12-15 years younger than me. I do not regret my decision at all. I very happy with where I am and it is because of the service that I am able to be where I am. That being said, if I had SOMETHING as a benefit for being a Veteran, I would not turn it down. AAFES benefits would be great. No way did I "do more" than a retiree. And I would never compare what I did to anyone else. I do feel we all earned it. But if it would break the system of AAFES, then no way should it change.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Apr 3 at 2015 6:22 PM

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I have been retired for almost 20 years now and haven't been in an AAFES facility in more than 10 years at least and really didn't even use them that much the last 5 years I was in. Found it cheaper off base even with the tax and a lot more choices too. You are really not missing much. Thanks for your service but those in the rear with the gear serve too so ruck up and move on.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 6:50 PM

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If you think AAFES has good deals then you should get a higher disability rating. The prices aren't competitive as the funds goes towards the MWR. So savings aren't really there....that being said. I say sure, if a Soldier can be considered a "veteran" by serving 4 years in the the Army without ever deploying then I say if you want to support continued military operations by contributing the AAFES products then game on. Your passion concerning your military obligations does seem rather inflated and sorta arrogant, but that not the point, the point was if I think you should be able to shop at AAFES in which I say, Yes, only because you have a compensated VA benefit.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 6:53 PM

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If a person can get on post, then they should be allowed to spend their money at AAFES as a portion of the profits goes towards MWR funds, the more the merrier.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Apr 3 at 2015 7:15 PM

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No, the policy is good as is.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 7:19 PM

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First, Letm me say thank you for your service, and I say that sincerely! However, with that being said and as you said I would say...... the rules for use of AAFES and DeCa (Commissary) were in place a long time before you joined the USAF. There is a big difference in what you personnaly think, feel, believe and wish, vs what you're entitled based upon your length of service.

I wonder and question why after serving 5 years and choosing to leave the Air Force you should be considered as "specical" and allowed continued use of these services. I am not belittleing or taking away from your service or 10 times outside the wire in your 7 months in Iraq; however you chose to leave the service before you "fully earned" the privilege of continuing to use the BX, PX or Commissary. Do you feel you deserve it more than those who went from Iraq - stateside - Afghanistan - stateside - Iraq, etc, for 5-6 times and have now retired, either disabled or not. I surely hope not.

It's matter of policy, and policy that was in effect long before you served your 5 years. Apparently there was different and better calling for you other than serving until retirement. You reaped the benefit for 5 years, but decided that the benefit of those services was not sufficient for you remain on active duty.

Now for you to say that you did more than most reitirees is a statement of opinion..yours, not based on fact! And I will throw the bullsit flag just in case others will not. And just to set the record striaght, your 5 yrs sevice comes up to 1/4th of the time retirees served (if they retired at 20 yrs).

I sincerely appreciate and thank you for your time in service and you carrying out your duties for 5 years. Now if you wish to have the benefits that retirees and currently serving military have, see your recruiter and return to uniform and complete the requirement.

In you civilian job, if there is a requirement to serve 30 yrs in order to retire and you do 10 yrs and quit, would you be asking for any of the retirement benefits of those who did stay with the company until their retirement. I doubt it.

Access to the PX, BX, Commissary is a privilege. A privilege for those who stayed the course till retirement or remain currently serving. You chose not too!

Yes you sacrificed.....for 5 yrs.....however you chose not to stay the Course to be eligible. No, you're not entitled! Thank you for your service, and I say that sincerely! But NO, You're not entitled.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 7:23 PM

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First, thanks for your service. Just like many folks here, I would have to agree that retirees have earned the "right" to shop at AAFES.

Secondly, AAFES is a money-making machine. They are overpriced and overrated. You can find any item at AAFES for a fraction of the cost, online...or as CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member stated: at Target or Walmart.

Response by MSgt Harry Jones made Apr 3 at 2015 7:24 PM

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Like others have said if you wanted those benefits you should have stayed in and done 20 or so years.

Response by SSG Nick Tramontano made Apr 3 at 2015 7:47 PM

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Your other option (if you qualify) is to join a Guard or Reserve unit of any branch. You must know that you need some form of a DOD ID card when not in uniform, otherwise what's to stop civilians in the area from shopping there ? That alone would cause a loss of tax revenue to the particular state.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 3 at 2015 7:56 PM

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I know I commented already, but in 37 months as a Garrison Commander, I always looked suspect on comments from anyone who would not sign their name...

Response by SGT James Elphick made Apr 3 at 2015 7:59 PM

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Really? This gets a Command Post slot from Rally Point? I also usually try to stay away from negative comments towards other service members but as a former grunt with 2 tours I can say leaving the wire "more than 10 times" doesn't mean a thing and no, you didn't do as much as a grunt, or a retiree. But I have to go back to my original question, why is this a COMMAND POST? Is Rally Point itself becoming frivolous?

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 8:18 PM

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Well, I think it's important to remember what the original purpose was for stores on bases to begin with. It was for easy access for members that are stuck on the base. Typically active duty members that don't have transportation (usually low rank) and for those other military members that might be staying on base for other types of duty ie reservists on drill weekends (cause many of them travel great distances to drill) and just typically current military members for convenience. As some bases are pretty far from things. For all others, its a privledge that when times are tough, and congress has to make cuts somewhere, that might be taken away. To include retirees. Think of it like space A flights on military planes. There's definatly priorities given to active duty first, then down the food chain. Retirees last. No where in space A does it say military members that did not finish out as retired. So, the purpose of military things is for military, and when possible, retirees. If you don't like that, then get back in and retire! I know it's tough these days due to all the deployments. But rules are rules. And times are tough. My heart goes out to those military retirees that moved years ago close to bases to be able to take advantage of the THEN low prices. And now live close to a base that has higher prices than Walmart and Target.

Response by LTC Matt Horsley made Apr 3 at 2015 8:22 PM

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I recommend you check your enlistment paperwork. If the USAF agreed to give you BX privileges after your enlistment then you probably have a case. If not, count yourself fortunate for having had the an opportunity to pay America back by serving some time in uniform, and don't ever again compare your sacrifice to that of the door kickers and road warriors who do the heavy lifting. You sound like a whiny, self-centered, Entitlement bitch. It's time to man-up.

Response by PO2 Brian Schwartz made Apr 3 at 2015 8:38 PM

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I feel disabled vets should get it.

Response by SGT Noah Avon made Apr 3 at 2015 8:51 PM

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When did a 7 month deployment to Iraq out weigh 20+ years of service. Who ever wrote this should be embarrassed by comparing their short deployment with a lifer grunt. I thought this was satire when I first read it. Please tell me that this is not the future of this nation.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 8:55 PM

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A review of this site tells who is an authorized AAEFS user: http://www.salutetoyourservice.com/?p=28

Note that you can buy an AAEFS gift card but only for those who have exchange privilege.

Should the benefit include others? Opinions differ.

Is it actually a desirable benefit? Opinions differ.

I believe the situation is defined by DOD directive as US laws.

Response by GySgt Robert Oglesby made Apr 3 at 2015 9:13 PM

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That is a benefit I earned upon retirement. If a veteran served honorably but did not retire maybe the policy could be looked at and discussion could take place and perhaps the policy could be relaxed. The exchanges need the money for Morale and welfare programs for families. I would say no entitlement to shop at the commissary. That's my 2 cents.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 9:16 PM

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Let's just be honest. If you want to get those benefits, join the Reserve or National Guard.

Response by PFC Anthony Muto made Apr 3 at 2015 9:20 PM

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ok well here it no you don't deserve it why because you are not 100 percent or a retiree I did 18 months got hurt can no longer work. i did get 100 percent which makes me eligble now while some get lower ratings and cant work im going to figure since you wont show who you are youd be worried about getting called out. I don't care about that benefit of getting to buy cheap booze although I do use it I only have a guard base to go to not a full set up. but crying over not getting to go to aaafes really.

Response by MSgt Aaron Brite made Apr 3 at 2015 9:20 PM

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With the downturn and budget pressure, AAFES and DECA can use all the customers they can get. I think the standard for bebefits being set at "retired" diminishes the value of many vets service. In history and literature honorable aervice brought benefits up to and including full citizenship. To set use of a retail outlet so much higher is to me disconcerting.

Response by MCPO John Gross made Apr 3 at 2015 9:21 PM

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Do your twenty. Do a thirty. Do longer if you're able. But do not come into this group with that story and expect it to go very far toward this point. Thank you for your service, Fair Winds. . .

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Apr 3 at 2015 9:21 PM

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Let me get this straight: You're expecting benefits otherwise due to 1.) retirees, 2.) active duty service members, and 3.) dependents? Ummm... If you're not in either of the afore mentioned categories, get in line at the local grocery store with all your fellow veterans.

Response by SPC Ana Maria made Apr 3 at 2015 9:34 PM

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I agree with you

Response by CMSgt David Wedington made Apr 3 at 2015 9:36 PM

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Resources are proportionate to personal assigned to the installation, and nearby community. Although AAFES could use the extra revenue, access to Base/Post facilities by all who served, would deplete resources and create an insurmountable security risk.

Response by 1SG David Niles made Apr 3 at 2015 9:41 PM

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Want to use the px/bx reenlist use it all you want, retire and use it all you want. Do you think employees at Microsoft get to use the Microsoft store once they quit...? I bet not

Response by SSG Stan Morrison Jr made Apr 3 at 2015 9:45 PM

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I spent 9 years in the reserves, discharged honorably. No war, other than Shield/Storm, we activated but didn't deploy. I don't feel like I deserve the Exchange. Not one near me anyway. I have my Vet ID from Bucks County. I used my VA benefit to buy my house. I feel I've been adequately compensated by the military for my service. So no I don't agree you should have access. You should have served longer and earned your retirement, then you would have access.

Response by SGT John Beardsley made Apr 3 at 2015 9:52 PM

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I'm voting "Yes" only because there is not a "Maybe" option, and the same thoughts requiring the qualified yes vote preclude an absolute "No".

Response by CPL Brock Vigneau made Apr 3 at 2015 10:18 PM

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I did 7 years and I don't expect PX access. I have read there is somthing going on to potentially allow online access to all vets. It's not been approved though

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 10:25 PM

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I honestly don't understand why they don't allow you to continue to shop there after you've gotten out unless you retired with 20 years. Just the fact that you joined the 1% and served at all should entitle you to a lifetime of gratitude. The AAFES stores will still be makin money whether you've served 1 year or 20. Hell maybe just give a discount to those vets who have served 20.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 11:05 PM

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This policy is not AAFES driven. Stop complaining. The ability to use the base facilities is a privilege and not an entitlement.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 11:30 PM

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"I did as much as retired grunts..." Tell me how little did retired grunts do in 20-30 years that you did the same or more in the USAF in 5 years? So leaving the wire, say 10 times, equates to 20-30 years of grunt duty? I have no doubt you served well, but do not belittle others due to your perceived injustices. I am sure a SEAL, Delta Force, Recon, MARSOC, SOF, Ranger has done more than you in 1 month.

Also I don't perceive AFFES or the exchange as being any better than Wal-Mart. The only real deal is the commissary, and that is if you live close to it. Not all retirees live outside a military base.

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Apr 3 at 2015 11:35 PM

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If you have given 20 plus years of honorable service you are more deserving of the benefits you have rightfully earned. Consider this. Congresspersons only need to serve one term to continue to receive their benefits for life. How does that compare to what most of our retirees gets after 20 plus years of missed birthdays, anniversaries, births, deaths, graduations etc. Retirees deserve more than they currently get imho, but we shouldn't take away from what non-retiress who have also served admirably get.

Response by SFC Barry Alexander made Apr 3 at 2015 11:38 PM

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I'm really hoping this was posted as a joke.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 11:43 PM

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I think we all got punked y'all. First of all.... this was an anonymous post.... which typically hasn't been allowed..... and secondly, what was Wednesday? April Fools Day. I think RP is playing us and we all fell for it.

Post isn't exactly time stamped so I cant tell if it was posted on Wednesday or Thursday.... Says posted 1 day ago, so could have been Thursday, so I may be wrong.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 1:24 AM

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You answered your own question with "you knew AAFES rules full well".

Think of it this way: Military benefits are funded by taxpayer dollars. Those who serve 20+ years have paid more than their share in taxes to utilize whatever benefits for the rest of their lives. You didn't put enough into the system and therefore are not granted this benefit.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 1:40 AM

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I am not a grunt. I am a commo guy. I went outside the wire a lot for a commo guy but I am nowhere near the number of some of my friends who are grunts.

I was going to post my times in Iraq but realized it is not worth my time.

While all of us respect your service, the condescending manner of your post is annoying.

Six does not equal twenty plus. There are reasons for the retirement benefits for those who go beyond the normal term.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Apr 4 at 2015 1:56 AM

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This scumbag has no clue...

Typical Whiny Scumbag that thinks because he was in the US Air Force that he somehow pulled the same weight, risked his life in the same manner, did anything REMOTELY equal to the things we did in the Army, Navy , and Marines.

"5 tough years in the US Military
Deployed 7 months in a War Zone, left the wire 10 times"
Has a 30% disability approved by the USAF due to injuring his shoulder because he had to wear his 50 pound body armor during those 7 long months.
He thinks he did more to deserve permanent base privileges than all retirees especially combat veteran retirees. He is asking for permanent base privileges as if he was a retiree.
After 20 years in the Army, injured repeatedly, I have only a 20% disability.
During that time, I wore an average of 110 pounds for days and sometimes weeks at a time while on the East German border. I spent an average of eleven months a year deployed on the border or in training and spent time with the U.N. in Macedonia as well.
Average Iraq/ Afghanistan deployment for any other service in a five year time span would have been an average of 36 months more than likely.
Average amount of time outside the wire would have been two weeks out of any six more than likely, and for some they were never "inside the wire" at all. So for many Army, and Marines (the Grunts he cites in his complaint) many were outside the wire for a minimum of a total of 4-6 MONTHS.
This pathetic maggot is what we now have to watch for....
"Entitled Cry Babies" with a false sense of worth and little idea of what his military Brothers and Sisters have gone through. They are now taxing a system that barely has the funds to care for those who TRULY deserve what little they get.
30% disability for wearing his 50 pound form fitting body armor
Something I wore over there on a daily vasis for almost four years straight
What military Doctor in their right mind approved that disability?

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Apr 4 at 2015 3:21 AM

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I would suggest that DoD consider allowing some veterans who are not retirees benefits. Where exactly to set the bar I will leave to smarter people, but it I should think it should be higher than: 1 enlistment, or 1 combat tour, or 10% disability.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 4:10 AM

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One does not need to show you whats what when it cones to veterans and retirees. They have seen more in their time in while you were probably in school. I currently sit at over 8 and a half years, and seeing the good, the bad and the ugly, many "kids" these expect to be "spoon" fed after a few years. Personally, it makes me sick when someone keeps flaunting this "gimme gimme gimme" when they just did a one time service and got out. I came in 2006, when the troop surge was a causal ordeal, and as an 19 y/o, my first deployment was 15 months. I served with a great group of people that deployment and many of them EARNED what they have now. Before my post goes further into history, i will stop here, and let you simmer on the reality that many out there have doubled, tripled the time you have done.

You have to earn privileges, they are not handed.

Response by SSG Christopher K. made Apr 4 at 2015 4:20 AM

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I believe that there should be some perks for prior service such as maybe keeping your AAFES online privileges. It is an unrealistic expectation to keep full base privileges. For retirees they have done more then most service members and they have earned that privilege to keep base rights as well as retirement benefits. I do feel there should still be something for non retiree prior service, but at the same time anyone who feels an entitlement to benefits is just dead wrong. If you get a benefit or perk from your time in service be grateful for it but do not expect it. We all joined up voluntarily and should only expect to serve proudly. This I did this so I deserve this mentality has to go there is no place for this thinking in the military.

Response by MSgt Dave Porter made Apr 4 at 2015 4:30 AM

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The "anonymous" poster of this question first of all is a straight up liar...The picture he used in the article is of one of my troops who is still active.......his name is " TSgt Smith"....
Imagine his surprise when this question on Rallypoint showed up on his newsfeed with his picture on it.
"STOLEN VALOR" that picture first appeared in the Airforce times in 2009 at Balad AB.

That said...if he was medically retired. ..he would have an ID that would admit him to any base to use AAFES...
suck it up buttercup..you make me sick

Response by SPC Richard Owens made Apr 4 at 2015 5:57 AM

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I am not rated at 100% but am close to it. I think if you served during wartime in theater you should have AAFES privileges.

Response by SSG William Rhodes made Apr 4 at 2015 6:02 AM

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In my opinion if you served in the armed forces and fulfill your contract then you should have commissary and every other privileges, as much as retirees. The profits would basically benefits everyone to include programs supported by AAFES, including our economy. So I hope which ever agency who oversees these policies, come to realize that this would be more profitable and innovative than traditional policies.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 6:43 AM

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I say this: You do your time, you deserve to be recognized for your sacrifices. However, what you earn, is dependent on how much you sacrifice. For example: If you only do your five and get out, how much have you sacrificed, compared to a 20+ year retiree? Better yet, you do your five and get out, how much have you sacrificed compared to the 10 year infantry guy who got blown up and lost both legs, and eye, and his arm?

The long and short of it is that you haven't served long enough or sacrificed enough - so you haven't EARNED those privileges that a retiree has earned.

I think you need to put your big-boy pants on, admit that you didn't do what was required, and accept the consequences of that decision.

Even if you were medically discharged, then you would continue to get privileges for at least a few years, or if severe enough, the rest of you life, and I don't think we'd be having this discussion in this case.

And one other thing: Hurting yourself carrying a load is part of the job. If you hurt your shoulder carrying what every other Soldier carries over there, you didn't do PT well, or enough, or you did something stupid, like the bend and reach while wearing it.

If you got out because you couldn't take it, that's fine - that's a decision you made, but if you weren't med-boarded then that's your fault. You should have driven on until they either forced you out, or got you the treatment you needed to fix your shoulder.

Also, I did my time in Africa, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I got shot at in all three of those countries. I got hit by IEDs in two of them as well. I had RPGs fired at my helicopter during low level flight (how the hell I survived that I have no idea). I have injuries from AFG and I don't complain about them. I see the doc when I need to, but I also stuck it out for three more years after AFG. I didn't retire until I hit 25 years - despite combat - and I mean REAL combat injuries that still affect me to this day.

Last comment: Are you a part of the entitlement generation? Because it sounds like you are. Lately, everyone seems to think it's a RIGHT to have all sorts of "benefits." The only RIGHT you have, are those enumerated in the Constitution, and the right to live, and the right to die when it's your time. That's it. You're not entitled to anything that you didn't sacrifice enough for, and the military, AAFES, and the US Government have decided that you haven't served long enough to have earned a right to shop at the PX/BX.

Response by SGT Ramiro Durazo made Apr 4 at 2015 6:52 AM

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Wow, um, no, the fact that you can count the times you left the makes me laugh lol, no offense but, ueah, yiu knew how the military works, uiu knew the benefits of retiring, and in no way shape or form did you do as much as any retired grunt, I was a Cavalry Scout, I did my 30 and I can tell you that I didn't do nearly as much as any other retired grunt, reading this makes me want to beat you senseless, YOU chose to get out, Quit bitching, you bsound like A goddanmed potato

Response by SGT Ramiro Durazo made Apr 4 at 2015 6:56 AM

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SMSGT Stephanie McGirr, I freaking love you lol, loved your response

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 6:57 AM

2015-04-04T06:57:04-04:00

Firstly, I would like to say this is pathetic. Someone failed you in your life. This (woe is me attitude) is disgraceful and rots ones soul from within.

Response by PO1 Mark Bellino made Apr 4 at 2015 8:53 AM

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When your in you have it, now that your out you want it. The system is set up to reward those that give the most. Yes you received 30% but with out knowing if you could have changeded MOS to stay in till retirement is another story. You can go back and seek retirement or ask to get a waiver and go back active. Sorry , you you have to earn all the perks. Not pick and choice the ones we want when they are lost.

Response by SFC Jason Porter made Apr 4 at 2015 8:53 AM

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Join the crowd everybody feels discriminated against in today's America..my answer is no! It should be kept for military services members, retirees and their families. One of the Benefits you get for staying the long haul!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 9:02 AM

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Im not so sure Id care if I were out, the PX is hardly ever competitive with price or stocked shelves in relation to Walmart, Target, Sams, etc. Plus as bad as Walmart is about having only 3 cashiers working during rush hour their lines are still shorter than the PX's.

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Apr 4 at 2015 9:06 AM

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Either you intended to induce an inflammatory response or your case wasn't clearly articulated. Comparing yourself to retirees is a mistake. Hopefully, we realize that by overwhelming feedback that's been given.
I think you may have better served with an argument that disabled vets or wounded warriors should be considered for the privilege rather than trying compare resumes and making it about you

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 9:34 AM

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7 months? Seven WHOLE months? No. You do not deserve AAFES benefits, and your post makes you sound like an entitled baby.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 9:37 AM

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This is called "trolling"

Response by SSG Lawrence Crow made Apr 4 at 2015 9:38 AM

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Retired Army... Sorry, brother, but 5 years aint the same as a career.

Response by SFC Jeff Gurchinoff made Apr 4 at 2015 9:46 AM

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There seems to be less and less Incentive to go beyond 20 years now. What do you have for benefits? Money, healthcare and education in various forms after separation. I live waaaaaaaay too far from any military base to take advantage of any PX or Commissary privileges other than possibly online shopping. The rest of my so called earned benefits? Education benefits are handed out like candy to pretty much anyone low income for free (No sacrifice necessary) Healthcare? Obamacare fixed that ( Handed out for free- paid for by the working class... again... no sacrifice needed) Money? Between the "Everyone is disabled" mentality and the excessive welfare programs in the country this too is a mute point. The average citizen can fill out the appropriate forms or get a government worker to do it and presto it's like scratching off a winning cash for life ticket.
So, What did you do all that sacrificing for? There are probably kids that rolled their ankles in Basic training discharged and on disability calling themselves veterans that would disagree with me but that is OK, they can keep their pie holes shut.

Response by SSgt Troy Allen made Apr 4 at 2015 10:02 AM

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The yes/no argument will likely be moot by first quarter 2016. The Exchange is in negotiations with DoD to authorize honorably discharged veterans access to shopmyexchange.com (not brick and mortar Exchange stores) and keep tax-free purchases intact.

One of the biggest complaints is Exchange pricing can be too high. If veterans are allowed to shop, Buying Teams will have much greater leverage due to increased volume and can negotiate better deals with suppliers. It's a win for customers. It's a win for MWR programs. It's a win for Exchange employees, many of whom are dependents of servicemembers.

Response by Sgt Jeremy Johnson made Apr 4 at 2015 10:25 AM

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I really don't like chiming in on posts like these however I will on this topic. I am a marine corps veteran with 7 years active duty. I was medically seperated after four surgeries. After seperation I began employment as well as schooling through the VA. Now my journey has brought me back to Camp Lejeune as a federal employee. Although I have served, medically seperated, and currently a federal civilian employee, I too do not have full base privileges to include the commissary and base exchange. I am not disgruntled about it, nor do I feel that I am entitled to them, don't get me wrong, it would be nice to bennefit from the savings, but I am not in anyway shape or form upset that I am no longer entitled to them. It's just the way it is, get over it!

Response by SSgt Zachary Hunter made Apr 4 at 2015 10:36 AM

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I voted yes, but not for your reasoning. I did 9 years Air Force, but I was forced out due to the ERB. I joined to do the 20. I've wanted to retire since I was a freshman in high school. But budget cuts screwed that up for me. I feel as if I should still be able to go to the base gym, and use the BX/Commissary.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 11:06 AM

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Left the wire ten times we lived out of the wire for days are patrols where 24 on 24 off out of the wire I did 22 years 7 active 15 guard if he wants to use AAFFES he should go Guard

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Apr 4 at 2015 12:10 PM

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As a retiree, I do not have a problem with all honorably discharged veterans having access to the PX/BX/NEX. Although, I do not think this is much of a benefit. But have at it.

DOD is not discriminating against non-retirees...it is a political thing...if you want it to change, get with your local veterans org and get them to start pushing this issue through the veterans lobby.

As far as your argument goes, you need to do a better job framing why this is a good idea or needed. Your argument immediately starts failing when it down plays the service of others (retirees) versus pursues why all Veterans should receive this privilege. Also, because there are a lot of "I"s and "Me"s in your argument, it sounds self serving which causes it to fail in getting general support from the community. Makes it sound like "as long as I get mine, I don't care about the other veterans in a similar circumstance."

Finally, this "story" seems to be planted because of its extreme stance; I think it was posted just to create a lot of comments and there is not actually a person out there that wrote this and honestly felt this way.

Response by SGT Richard Kevan made Apr 4 at 2015 12:21 PM

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7 months and 10 missions isn't anything glad you served but no you don't deserve xchange access.

Response by SSG Richard Kurr made Apr 4 at 2015 12:32 PM

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I don't think equating service length and deployment service with Exchange access helps your argument.

Response by PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith made Apr 4 at 2015 12:36 PM

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Shopping at the exchange is a privilege, not a right. That privilege is reserved for those on Active Duty and those who are Retired. As veteran who did not retire, I have no problem with this. Besides, the nearest base is some 50+ miles from me. I'd spend 10x more in gas, than I would save at the store.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 1:10 PM

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According to your "Logic" here some us deserve a private airplane, a Ferrari, a Villa on the beach and perhaps a boat.
If you want the benefits you should have stayed longer to get them. End of story so stop crying about it

Response by SGT David Fikes made Apr 4 at 2015 1:34 PM

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No you don't deserve to shop there. And why would you? There are very few things that you would save money on. I don't understand why you feel you deserve to shop on post, you got out didn't retire move on

Response by SGT Michael Hamrac, MBA, MRP, GRI, REALTOR® made Apr 4 at 2015 1:56 PM

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I think those with 20+ years, and those that are disabled, deserve additional benefits for their service. Although given the opportunity, I would happily shop at the commissary and main exchange on MacDill.

Response by LTC Hillary Luton made Apr 4 at 2015 3:14 PM

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While I don't have a problem with Veterans who did not retire having access to Aafes, I'm not sure I agree with your argument as stated. I respect that you served and I thank you for your service. I also respect the fact that you deployed and did missions outside the wire. But stacking that up against a retiree such as myself for example, doesn't really compare. You served 6 years - I served 32 years. Yes, 21 of those years were as a traditional Reserve Soldier; however, 11 of those years were full-time and anyone who has served in the Reserve (especially in command) knows, that there is absolutely no such thing as "traditional" when it comes to fulfilling our responsibilities.

Second, you stated that you did a 7 month deployment to Iraq. Commendable. I did three deployments throughout my career. Were any of these deployments to Iraq or Afghanistan? No, I admit they were not. Does that make them any less dangerous? Well, some may argue that it does, but then again, anytime a scud is aimed at your head, it can get dangerous.

My point is not demean your service, I simply think you should consider putting how much you gave into perspective. You make the comment that you gave just as much as most retirees. I'm not sure which retirees you are comparing yourself to, but I would argue that most retirees today have not only put in 20+ years of service, but have also deployed numerous times, so they are not just retirees, they are veterans too.

I could argue that I deserve my retirement pay now, instead of having to wait until I'm 60, but I'm not going to make that argument. Why? Because I knew what the policy was when I joined, and I accepted it. I have nearly 15 years that counts towards AC. I'm proud of that fact, but I know it doesn't earn me retirement pay right now. That's ok. I can wait.

I'm sorry you are not allotted Aafes access and I am, but as you even stated, you knew the rules going in. We don't have to agree with the rules, but right now, we are stuck with them.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Apr 4 at 2015 3:30 PM

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I would be OK with Honorably Discharged veterans having exchange/commissary privileges, even more so for disabled veterans, but it's not a hill to die on.

As for me, I don't miss it much myself. If I REALLY wanted to go to an exchange, I know enough retirees and actively serving personnel to get the job done. :)

Response by SFC Boots Attaway made Apr 4 at 2015 3:49 PM

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IMHO Retirees have earned all of their benefits. That being said, as a retiree I think that Honorably discharged vets should be issued a "Veteran ID Card" and given LIMITED AAFES privileges such as movies and PX/BX.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 3:54 PM

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Half right face, shitbag! Are you kidding me?! I mean seriously??? You left the FOB at least ten times? You got hurt from wearing kit? Either you're a brilliant troll, or an abysmal asshole. You compared yourself to people who've lost a lot more than shoulder mobility, by saying you've put in as much. The only thing you deserve is a paddling, you aren't deserving of a beating.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 4:25 PM

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Sorry you didn't put time in as much as anyone else, because you put in 6 years. Also known as fuck all time to members who give their 20+

Also don't throw around a deployment as if it matters, because in the military it doesn't and shouldn't. That is your job, that was your job, you don't deserve bonus points for doing your job. Also the fact that you want to talk about your rating due to wearing kit, trying living in that shit for weeks? Get out of here. Left wire 10+ times? What? We down here in grunt world that would be a weeks work?

You're an entitled weak heart person and I thank you for your service, but it's good you've moved on.

Now I'm not here trying to be a hard head, shit I've only done 3 years of service, but those perks should be kept for ADSM and retires who've done their full time and deserve those extra points, and those who have gone above and beyond.

Response by MGySgt Christian MacMillan made Apr 4 at 2015 5:08 PM

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From someone who did what you and every other person who served did, just for 32+ years, "Do the time, get the access." Under your premise, you should get a pension, based on your time served. Sounds as if the VA has addressed your service related injuries. Many don't even get that far in a convoluted system. Thanks for your service.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Apr 4 at 2015 5:52 PM

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First of all, I have to give you credit for asking that question. The answer should have been obvious to you prior to putting it on the Internet.

Since you put on the air for all to see.

I have something to say, thank you for your service.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Apr 4 at 2015 7:43 PM

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Personally I feel you strayed way off course when saying the retirees did a bit more time than you. I did just over 13 years. I will not stick my Army or VA ratings on here, suffice it to say they are, to use your term a bit higher than yours. I did not make what is seen as the cutoff to have recieved a medical retirement. Guess what, I did not do my 20 or much more, which is often the case and therefore do not deserve the privilages that go with that. Neither of us deserve the privilages that go with having done a hell of a lot more than either of us did... Next question.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Apr 4 at 2015 8:08 PM

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And to add again here and I know it will sound mean or rude, but why are you wanting to stay Anonymous? Its not like anyone here is going to go to your house and laugh in your face. Its actually kind of childish to remain anonymous because every person I have seen on RP is an adult and while they may make some sarcastic remarks its nothing personal.
Time to grow up and use your real name.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 8:11 PM

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I have a Chief in my squadron right now that out of his 20 something years in service has been deployed for 8 years out of those 20 something. I myself (with more than 8 years currently in) have been gone for much more than 7 months! Give me a break! It is impossible to "put in [your] time as much as anyone" when your 5 or 6 years in service is only approximately 1/4 the time as other people at 20. And as to your (30%)...I have crap wrong with my back, shoulders, and the rest of my body that from rucking...kits...rollovers...etc that would put your poor wittle shoulders to shame.....don't hear me complaining! You look at anyone in an ASOS and tell me you deserve your access more than them...especially the one that actually puts their time in!

Response by SSG Jason Cherry made Apr 4 at 2015 8:22 PM

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CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member said it about as well as I could have.

The numbers just don't compare.

6 years are not equal to 20 years. Another comparison that cannot be made is the hardships endured during those 20+ years.

Response by SrA Charles Taylor made Apr 4 at 2015 8:56 PM

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Prices at AAFES wasn't that much cheaper than what I could find at the local Walmart. AAFES is more a convenience than anything else. Being a civilian again,... looking for a BX or Commissary isn't really convenient for most people. There's a base about 35 miles from me. The local Walmart is just 2 miles away. I'm not retired, but if I were, I'm pretty sure I'd use what is closest.

When I enlisted,... BX and Commissary access wasn't a factor. I knew when I got out, I would not be able to use AAFES anymore. No big deal.

Another thing,... I'm kinda surprised that a fellow Airman would equate his/her 5 years service to that of someone who served 20 years or more. Also, 7 months down range on a FOB that you ventured out of 10 times,.... You know what? Don't do that. Don't try justifying your arguement for continued AAFES use as a civilian with your tour of duty. You trivialize your service when you do that. Surely, that is not the reason you took the Oath of Enlistment.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Apr 4 at 2015 10:06 PM

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To be honest, you are not missing that much. Other than saving on taxes, the prices are not that much better. I recently ordered a couple of things from aafes.com and it took three weeks to get to me.

If you write again, I recommend not whining as much. Trying to compare yourself to grunts who did a year tour if not longer and went outside the wire almost every day just does not bring credit to what you did or what they did. Then you state that in your 5 or 6 years, you did as much as most retirees. With that statement, you lost a lot of credibility. Most retirees from the Army over the last 5 years probably served several tours overseas, all of which were probably longer than yours. If you are going to make an argument, I recommend that you stick to objective facts.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 1:03 AM

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Either you did 5 yrs or 6yrs. Why don't you know? You had a 7month deployment? Where was I when they were handing those out! No you don't deserve AAFES benefits!! And you have done as much as any grunt or retiree. No you have not. You have lost your mind with your post. Please don't post anymore foolish things, and I'm not anonymous.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 1:04 AM

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Alright, buddy. I've done my time deployed, 6 tours of 8+ months. As an AF member, retirees earned their right by doing their time, and I mean full time. If we gave base access to all non retirees, the base would be flooded and take away the tax free privalige that the retirees earned and the service member with a valid ID card is earning. First off, thanks for serving, I'm sure it would have been great to meet and work with you. Second, because you got out before your retirement, you also gave up the all the benefits, that someone earns, you would get at the 20+ mark.

Response by SSgt Chris Frey made Apr 5 at 2015 1:16 AM

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I came here hoping to say yes. But yo lost me with your comparisons and your mention of your deployment. See most of us deployed several times and to compare your self to a grunt unless you were in one of the beret career fields it's unlikely . I appreciate anyone's service and the blank check they signed for uncle sam. Here's my take. If you served in the military and discharged honorably you should have AAFES and access to lodging. I think we should always take care of our own. I think retiree should get their pay and tricare for life in addition to everything else.

Response by SFC Donald Neal made Apr 5 at 2015 1:21 AM

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Interesting question and it really brings out a lot from everyone posting. First off, Thank you for your service. 5 years of active service with 7 months in Iraq is a substantive achievement and I am glad you made it mostly back.

Can you come back in as a drilling reservist or air guardsman? That may be an option for you to regain your AAFES shopping privileges. If you've been following the news, the exchange systems and commissary program is being pushed to privatize or become competitive with off post stores, which means prices will be going up (my commissary just increased everything by 30% across the board). Quite possibly it won't be a benefit any longer.

Your comment regarding having done more than retired grunts is divisive. That is one of the few things I don't enjoy about Rally Point and some of veterans groups I am a part of in other social media. It turns into a crazy contest of one up-man-ship and everyone has done more than the other person. It denigrates the service and sacrifices of others who don't meet some preconceived standard of "acceptable" service.

I am indifferent with the issue of who gets to use the exchange. I would rather see everyone get spun up on the issues of forcing TRICARE beneficiaries onto the open healthcare exchanges, the newly announced thrashing of the current pension system, the probable gutting of all branches to push funding for programs in other countries, and a host of other issues which will affect future troops (but also the future of how our nation is protected).

Response by PO2 David Hagwood made Apr 5 at 2015 1:58 AM

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I don't know what kind of impact it would have allowing non-retirees to shop at Exchanges or Commissaries. I think as long as there isn't a negative impact on the stores, I think it should be just fine. Seriously, I don't know the business side of this. Maybe they have to limit access to service members, retirees, and dependents for reasons other than just mere privilege. The limited access to continued healthcare and pay is a lot more obvious. The bottom line is I believe they should allow it as long as it doesn't cause any problems for the people who have earned it through retirement.

Response by CW4 Larry Curtis made Apr 5 at 2015 3:25 AM

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It all goes back to established norms, which have been in place for good reason. There is a certain rung which has been placed at a particular height which you have to achieve in order to merit the prize. If you do not achieve that rung, then you do not merit the prize...simple as that. Should a Commissioned Officer be promoted to Major if he does not have a Bachelor's Degree? It is the same sort of thing in my opinion. There are certain things in life which you must achieve in order to get the most benefit out of life in general. If you want your service record to be considered competitive for promotion as an Army NCO, you need to have attended the NCO Academy at some point...and it probably doesn't stop there, but I am using that as an example. You may consider these parallels I have used as apples vs oranges in this case, but the principal is the same in all cases. There are standards established and we go with them. Someone much smarter than us established the rules for the Exchange and that's just how it goes.

Having said all of that...in the 21 years that I have been retired, I have used the Exchange very little. Even when I lived near to a military facility, I did not go out of my way to shop at the Exchange...and usually only shopped at the Commissary for certain items. In general, I don't think you are really missing-out on much by not being able to shop at the Exchange. Maybe you would be if you are sort of a yuppie and are driven to possess major name-brand items because that is all you can usually get at the Exchange. Even though the prices for such items may be a little better at the Exchange, I go more for functionality and cost over major name brands. In the overall scheme of things, and in MY opinion, shopping at the Exchange really doesn't save you a whole lot of money when it comes to your normal everyday bottom line living expenses. And many times, depending upon where you live, you can find better deals on the outside for some of those name brand items because the Exchange is not in competition for your business...it is the Exchange "Service" and doesn't have to engage in any price war competition like your typical retail stores do a lot of times. In my honest opinion, the Commissary and Exchange Services are really most essential in the overseas setting...moreso than in CONUS.

Clear as mud, huh? HAHAHA. Just being honest from my personal perspective. I do not intend to minimize the importance and function of the Exchange Service, and I certainly do not intend to minimize your opinion about having served, etc. I thank you for your service. But when it gets down to the brass tacks, apart from the monthly check I have been receiving for my 20 years of service, that retired ID card and about $4.00 will still get me a medium Caramel Machiato at any Starbucks...including the Starbucks inside the shopping plaza at the local Exchange. ;)

Response by PO1 John Meyer, CPC made Apr 5 at 2015 6:15 AM

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Let me start with you lost me at "...wish to remain anonymous." If you have a complaint here, remember that you're amongst brothers and sisters. That means going anonymous is the worst way to try and get your point across.

Like CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member said, to say that you did as much as most retirees is like a person right out of college saying they did about as much in their field as a person with 20+ years of experience.

I had do sacrifice 20 years and several deployments in order to earn my right to shop at AFFES/The Navy Exchange. Not to demean your service, but 5 years really is a drop in the bucket. I had learned a lot about the military in general over my last 15 years of service.

Besides.... how are non-retirees going to get to AFFES/The Navy Exchange when they don't have base access?

It's like others have said.... you can get better deals at places like Wal-Mart or COSTCO.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 8:17 AM

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I can't believe you had the audacity to flaunt your service in a forum of those who serve.

Response by SSgt Edward Stengel made Apr 5 at 2015 9:35 AM

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With Amazon and Walmart is AAFES even relevant? I wouldn't mind gym access though..

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 9:50 AM

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Honestly is access to AAFEES really all that? You have your disability, Vocational Rehab, the Post 9/11 GI Bill and use of VA home loans. Use those resources and don't try to measure or compare your service to others. Some on this forum have sacrificed so much more than others. The bottom line is that you should be grateful you came back from Iraq alive with all your body parts.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Apr 5 at 2015 10:19 AM

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Well, I can see clearly now why this individual wished to remain anonymous. He was asking for feedback on his views, and boy did he ever get it. ;-)

Response by SPC Dave Henderson made Apr 5 at 2015 10:46 AM

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AAFES use is a retirement benefit.. not a service benefit. I did my time, don't use my service connection as a weapon and shop at Wal-Mart like most veterans who got out before retirement. Suck it up Soldier.. be happy you're alive and got away cheap. Despite your shifty entitlement attitude, I respect your service. Never Forget!

Response by SGT Justin Lamb made Apr 5 at 2015 11:32 AM

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Sir, thank you for your service but honestly after reading this post, I think my brain just skipped... To even think you have done as much as a retiree is crazy. I was in Taji during the serge and left the wire almost everyday but never for a second would I ever put my self in the same realm as a 20+ year vet! The thought just makes my head hurt.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Apr 5 at 2015 12:05 PM

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...and I digress, this is so FREAKING STUPID.

This poor individual was not hugged or loved enough by Mommy. Maybe once you move out of her basement (because the world is a very cruel and scary place), you will realize that your entitled ass needed to grow up while you were still serving. My actual guess, this person is just trolling, creating a post to get folks all worked up because they think it is funny. Go home "Anonymous", you are drunk.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 1:43 PM

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Glad you got out after 6. With an attitude like this your leadrership, or lack thereof, would have created a toxic environment. Apparently you never learned the true meaning of being a member of the Profession of Arms.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 2:14 PM

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What about brand new privates that get hurt in AIT and end up being MEB (Med Boarded) at there first duty station with only like 2 years in? They get a blue card and full access to army installations and perks, yet a soldier that ETS's with say, 14 years in and is very healthy and does 3 combat tours gets a little piece of paper? Doesn't make sense to me. I think if a soldier gets MEB they have to meet a TIS requirement.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 2:26 PM

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This is literally the most absurd thing I have ever heard. "I left the wire more than 10 times" Dude, you are so hard. "I did a 7 month deployment" I KNOW PEOPLE THAT DID 12 MONTH DEPLOYMENTS. "I hurt my shoulder from wearing kit so much" Dude, its not that heavy, slow your roll.

Response by PO1 Mark Sowell made Apr 5 at 2015 2:41 PM

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So what about all the troops separated by the force reduction? I know many great troops and their families that were victims of these so called force reductions. I believe most of these guys and girls should have lifetime BX/ commissary privileges as long as they have an honorable discharge. Most of these great troops only had a 2 year limited BX/ commissary privilege. I know most of them were career (over 10 years of faithful service) guys and girls so this is a way of taking care of our own.

Response by 1stSgt Robert Keown made Apr 5 at 2015 3:47 PM

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I will keep it short and sweet, that is how I roll.

It is not any different than anything else, people bitching about being told they cannot do something when they didn't use it when they had free access. That is exactly why the Commissary is on the verge of closure NON USE by members, the BX/PX system is pretty much safe since it is a for profit private business. Do I think everyone should have access, no, that is one of the benefits extended service awards you.

I spent the majority of 26 years away on NON voluntary TDYs, be it for war service or not, a 1 year deployment does not net you a lifetime of benefits. That comes with 100% or retirement either of which is equal to a lifetime of service, I have both.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 4:19 PM

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So if we look at this from a economic perspective, rather than a phallus measuring contest, allowing non-retirees to spend their money in government funded retail(when they themselves are not receiving government funding) might actually be a good idea in the long run. Idk are there any other people who studied economics who want to chime in?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 4:25 PM

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The bottom line is that you have to be an ID card holder to use AAFES main stores. I think the policy should stay as it is. Retirees are no better than anyone else, but we get healthcare, dental and other privileges for putting in the length of time that we did. Don't forget, the military is an all volunteer force now, no one is forced to join. If you don't like not having benefits, stay in til retirement, or don't join. You obviously got what you needed from the military and left, so why should AAFES change their policies? AAFES is not "discriminating" against anyone. What's next? Is Tricare discriminating too?

Response by SSgt David Love made Apr 5 at 2015 4:26 PM

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I really don't care what you did in the service, if you served honorably and were discharged as such you've served your country, which is exponentially more than the vast majority of Americans.

If you're authorized to receive a VA loan you should be able to utilize AAFES. If capacity becomes an issue, then at least the catalog, that would cost nothing and help out everyone all the way around.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 4:27 PM

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AAFES and commissaries should be available to all veterans.

Response by SPC Matt Johnson made Apr 5 at 2015 4:28 PM

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I'm a non retiree and have no problem w/ the current policy. once your out you are out unless med boarded or retired

Response by PO1 Robyn O'Reilly made Apr 5 at 2015 4:32 PM

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I'm not sure it would raise prices and you can get better deals out in town

Response by CPL Michael Rojo made Apr 5 at 2015 4:36 PM

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I am in a similar position. I was 4 years active duty in the army. 10 month deployment in Iraq and a full year in Afghanistan. During those deployments I was on patrol full gear for more than 95% of that time. I do not know your age while you were deployed but I have yet to feel the adverse effects of that. All I can say is take a knee and drink water. As far as AAFES goes while continued access to their services would be nice I in no way feel they should have any obligation to continue to serve us. As we served our time so they served us during that time. It is what it is.

Response by MSgt Victor Moss made Apr 5 at 2015 4:36 PM

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I you want the benefits, they you should have stayed in for a career.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 4:45 PM

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I have probably served longer than most on this site, August will be 35 years. 8 of these years are AD and the remainder Reserve and Guard. This is a relatively straight forward question. Those that serve until retirement (in this case we shall say 20 years) have had 2 decades during which they were willing to deploy in defence of our nation, whether they did or didn't is really irrelevant, they were available and ready to go.

Then if you want to argue, I deployed and went outside the wire. So, what if a SM deploys for a year and sits on the same FOB as you, never "sees action," is their combat deployment less because they weren't in direct danger? If a SM deploys, only serves 6 years and "goes outside the wire" his/her service meets a different standard than one who does not and therefore is deserving of retired benefits? No. The guidelines exist to reward and incentivise service.

Response by TSgt Keith Webb made Apr 5 at 2015 4:45 PM

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We all served. I did 14 years and got out only to be closer to where my ex wife moved with my son after a nasty divorce. Had that not occurred I would have done 20 and retired. I had an excellent career and got out with an Honorable Discharge. I think 14 years deserves something other than a kick in the pants. Just my opinion. I got penalized for choosing to be a good father to my son.

Response by SSG Robert Jones made Apr 5 at 2015 5:22 PM

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now a days there is no benefit to shopping at the PX they are over priced and have a crap selection of goods when compared to off post stores who offer all veterans discounts as long as they have an ID card showing that they are a veteran (yes even the VA ID). the only place that is still worth it on post is the commissary for meat and that at times is questionable.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Apr 5 at 2015 5:54 PM

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If you haven't been dishonorably discharged, I see no reason as to why any vet couldn't make use of the Exchange or commissary. I'm sure they'd welcome the influx of money. Although your reasoning behind it is a little odd for a person who vol'd to serve (ribbon rack pissing contests seem shallow), it sounds like a reasonable idea. Now the crux will be how to identify who gets access. DD-214? Do they issue limited usage ID cards? Will they restrict base access to ONLY the vet? Next time pose it without mentioning trips outside the wire. Myself and a million others could spend years telling stories about conflicts not including the current engagements and some involving them as well.

Response by SPC William Biles made Apr 5 at 2015 5:54 PM

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I voted, "No the policy is good as is." But I am torn by it, mainly because I only served six-years, of the 20 I intended to serve when I joined. I joined Active Army when I turned 31-years-old. I never seen myself as "Old" until that 1st day of fill week. With that being said, during basic training I suffered a multitude of stress fracture's, etc., during training. I had, what was later diagnosed as, Compartmental Stress Syndrome. Basically, as it was explained to me, the muscle that surrounds your muscles wasn't expanding in order to release the by products muscles produce while exercising. It was causing my foot to go numb due to low blood circulation. Since I was in basic, they couldn't fix the problem with the surgery I needed because, as I was told, they couldn't give me the operation because I was still in basic training and attached to a training unit. I wanted in the Army, so I sucked it up and drove on. I completed basic and 12B AIT (OSUT). I'm thinking I'm good to go for my operation, once I get over seas to Hawaii for my first duty station. But, SNAFU for Pfc. Biles, joining at 31-years-old causes major S2 issues and I am held over while my SF-72 is scrutinized before shipping me out. Six months later, after nine months of a training atmosphere I said I'll stay CONUS and was stationed at Fort Lewis where I finally got my operation. However, the young doctor cut me in the wrong spot and gave me nerve damage, which has lead to other problems-blah-blah-blah. I stayed a combat engineer until my window of re-enlistment opened at my 3-year mark and changed my MOS to 46Q when I did re-enlist. The orders and school took the better part of my 4th year to do. My last two years as a 46Q until I was put out on a medical discharge due to damage sustained to my leg. Now, I tell you all this so you can gain a little insight when I tell you, anonymous, you sound like a whining bitch. When I go to the VA and I see the carnage of war's aftermath, both mental and physical, I feel grateful to walk on my own, even when it becomes painful to do. I don't mind if they receive more, or better benefits than I do. They earned it by doing the Time in Service, which was much longer than time I served regardless of my initial intent of serving 20. But, how I would love to shop on a post or base again just for that nostalgic feeling of American Pride. So, bottom line, Anonymous, stop whining, suck it up like the rest of us non-lifers and start your process of cutting through the red tape to find and get what your time-in deserves.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 5:58 PM

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A very good point here. My Tea Party friends in Congress are looking for a way to trim the budget. We could start with the base Exchange by closing them all down the good Tax payers will not have to subadice the lavish life style of those in the Military. I hope the Military is ready for a major down size. Long gone are the days of unlimited Military spending.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 6:06 PM

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If AAFES revenue comes from military and non military customer why not? AAFES isn't anything special anyway. As already stated Walmart and Target sometimes just have better deals.

Response by SPC Korey R. made Apr 5 at 2015 6:09 PM

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Read my idea Before going off on me.

I too served for 6 Years and did a combat rotation. My service was no more or less meaning full or important than any other who volunteered to wear the uniform. While I don't think I "deserve" to shop at AAFES. I do think I earned limited use. I think going this route is equal to all. Limit use for time served with a minimum of 3 years up to retirement.

Response by SSG Eric Eck made Apr 5 at 2015 6:16 PM

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I really can't see this as a legitimate post. Leaving the wire "more than 10 times in 7 months" is not doing more than anyone, except rear D. And even then, those guys may have had deployments in their past. By your logic, I did a tour in Saudi Arabia, just under 6 months, guarded classified areas, 1 tour in Iraq, was stop loss, 4 months, 1 tour Afghanistan, 9 months, left the wire a shit ton of times, I should not only be able to shop at AAFES, but should get free shit every third time I do. Oh yeah, I'm retired from the Army so, yes, I can shop at AAFES.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 6:29 PM

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Rules are rules. I'm not gonna sugar coat it. You A. Didn't retire from the military and two. Well that's it. I did two 7 month tours have been serving for almost 6 years. I know if I don't retire from the Navy I too won't get NEX privileges. Best of luck. A remember we are not entitled to anything we didn't earn.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 6:34 PM

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I am abivalent about the question. A reservist who serves 20 years with no active duty (other than training) has less time than a 5- yr active duty vet. Also some retired reservists never got deployed. (Incliding yours truly) I feel incline to initiate the salute to fellow veterans who have been in combat.

Response by SGT Lyndell Jay Parks made Apr 5 at 2015 6:43 PM

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anyone serving a full term should have access to AAFES, anyone who served in combat and/or got injured and couldn't complete their enlistment should as well have full access, many people are being put out early due to some bullshit reason or another because of this communist regime in Washington. anyone with 30% or more rating for disability should have access ......

Response by SGT Shane Killgore made Apr 5 at 2015 6:57 PM

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Retirees absolutely...E.T.S...i dont think so. If you wanted the benefits you should have stayed in. UNLESS it you discharged due to injury. Dont matter how many deployments you did.

Response by PO2 George Ermeling made Apr 5 at 2015 8:28 PM

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We did our 20 years plus to earn it while other may have severed the one our two years stints they felt the grass was greener on the other side so they night as well keep shopping at wal-mart and other stores as long as they are not allowed to use EXCHANGES I am happy with that

Response by TSgt Brian Herman made Apr 5 at 2015 8:41 PM

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Here is why I voted the way that I did.
I put in almost ten years of active duty, from1983-1992. I spent almost 7 years stateside at F.E.Warren AFB in Cheyenne, Wy. Where men are men, and women are scarce. Then, I put in three years at Rhein Main AB, Germany during the desert shied/desert storm years. I took an 8 year break in service, and then put in 12 years with the Idaho Air National Guard.
I feel like I still got in 20 years of service, even though guard time is not the same as active 24/7 time. I spent almost 6 of those 12 years deployed, or in an active "title 10 " status.
My retirement, when I collect, my retirement pay, it will account for about 16 years of active duty time, as an E-6.
Now, one thing that pisses me off, (among MANY) is the phrase "just" in the guard. ESPECIALLY from AD troops.
On the one hand, I get it. When I was on AD, we felt the same way. Some guard units were just more organized,and more motivated than others. Just like AD troops. "They" didn't live the life 24/7/365 like "we" did. While "they" may have passed the same CBT's, and had some of the same tech schools, "they" just weren't as well qualified. I get it. "They" didn't live the life 24/7, and so by default just aren't as sharp.
Now, back to the point. Why don't I think folks that didn't serve 20 years, should not receive the benefits of shopping at the commissary and exchange.
My dad, served in the Army for three years around 59-61. (the exact dates I don't know.)
When he served, he qualified for free medical for life, among other things, after the 2nd world war.
One of my cousins served in the Navy, and enlisted circa 1976, the last year Congress authorized that particular benefit.
The president, the Congress, etc...Have been shortening all of OUR EARNED BENEFITS ever since.
"Cost savings" they tell the American public. "We" need to save money, and cutting the very small percentage of cost, from the smaller percentage of people who serve, is a political way of giving and getting between parties. It has nothing to do with real numbers.
As a now retired member of the USAF, (even if only from "the Guard"), I enjoy going to different military bases, and shopping at the commissary and exchange.
It saves me a bit of money yes, but I could probably do better on the economy.
However, it also allows me an opportunity to see people doing their duty, still wearing the uniform, and I feel connected because of that.
Not everyone can go on base/post, and I am OK with that.
I feel that the shopping benefits, even with the meager savings from economy shopping, are a privilege that I have earned, as I fulfilled my promise to uphold and defend, against all enemies.
When I am old enough, I too, like so many retiree's before me, will try to take advantage of the myth of "Space A" travel.
I spent the time, went on all of my deployments, (side bar below) did the training, and put up with the BULLSHIT that is active duty, as well as the BS that goes along with the guard. For the 20+ calendar years it takes to meet my requirements.
I hope that doesn't sound harsh, as I don't mean it to be harsh. However, I do feel that it is an earned benefit. I don't want to take away from anyone's service-a veteran is a veteran.
But I feel like the shopping privilege is just one of the few things "they" haven't taken away, and if you didn't do the time, you just don't deserve that particular benefit.
If you ask on the interwebs if people think those privileges are worth anything, probably 6-7/10 people think it is a waste of time and effort to even have a bx/px/commissary stateside
(Side bar- my active duty time was 6/9 stateside at F.E.Warren and 3/9 at Rhein Main AB, Germany. My guard time was based out of Idaho, and I went twice to Saudi Arabia, 3 times to Germany, for almost 2 years, Iraq, Qatar,Kuwait, Djibouti, and many short stops from DJ around the Horn of Africa, including to the Comoros Islands. Many deployments, glad to be home!)

Response by PO2 George Ermeling made Apr 5 at 2015 8:45 PM

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For those that want to keep crying about not using EXCHANGES because you got out prior to doing 20 years go to your local CVS,Walmart,Walgreen's our where ever it is you can buy some KY jelly our what ever it is you want to buy and start using and keep telling yourself how dum it is for you to be crying over something you do not deserve our just get a couple of big bucket's and keep crying in them until you have cried a river.

Response by SSgt David Leonard made Apr 5 at 2015 9:13 PM

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Hell no. Guess what; I did nine years Active Duty with 1 tour in Kosovo and 2 in Iraq. I don't feel I deserve access to AAFES facilities or anything else retirees are entitled to. Stop whining.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 9:36 PM

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Dear anonymous:

Would you like a little cheese with that whine?!? Seriously, you have just personified every "worthless and weak" joke the other branches make about the Air Force. SMH.

Response by SSG Jarett Settlemeyer made Apr 5 at 2015 10:19 PM

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Hahaha easily more than ten times... you are funny. Did as much as retired Grunts... good thing you went anonymous. Because not even close to one tour for a Grunt. Ten times out the wire is a week for most grunt privates.

Response by CW4 Larry Curtis made Apr 5 at 2015 11:08 PM

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I have already posted my initial response to this subject, but after coming back to it a few times and reading the responses of others and posting comments of my own to them, I have to say that this subject now has me officially infuriated on a few levels. One is that I look at the survey results and see that 25% of the participants voted "Yes, non-retirees deserve AAFES as much as retirees." I cannot see anything which indicates how many people participated, but after mulling this whole thing over I don't believe it deserves the time of day from anyone. There should be no question at all, the policy was established a long time ago, and anyone who has signed-up for military service, which has been strictly "volunteer" since the early-mid 1970s, should know and understand the policy. The fact that the originator has chosen to use an "anonymous" identification in order to stir up the feces pot screams TROLL. We come into this world and are entitled to NOTHING, with very few exceptions. Take a look around and you will see there are many people who have more and greater accomplishments than you have yourself, and this applies to all walks of life. It is up to each of us to establish our own story of success or failure, and nobody else. WE hold the pen which writes our story and it is our choices we make from the tools and opportunities we have available before us which will define our accomplishments and the level of success we have along the way. In order to achieve our success, we must also, by our own diligence, meet the objectives required to achieve the desired end results. YOU are not entitled to ANYTHING based on MY diligence. It is entirely up to YOU to have your own accomplishments, otherwise you will get exactly what you have coming to you, and if you did nothing, that is all you are entitled to receive. If you did not pay it forward enough, you cannot expect anything on the back-end...and fulfilling a pre-set obligation in order to receive the benefits or perks is just how life works, and if you try to change that you are only going to make those of us who have the achievements very angry with you. There is at least 25% of you who participated in this survey which I am extremely disappointed with and if I knew who you were, you'd never be welcome aboard my aircraft or in my foxhole. If the military hasn't taught you anything at all about merit, or actually earning something, then you have been a complete waste of time and taxpayer money, and really should be ashamed of yourself.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 11:11 PM

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I think anyone who has "Honorably" separated from the service deserve to maintain the benefits of the PX and the Commissary. Additional benefits such as Tri-Care and Pay should remain with retirees, but the PX and Commissary are no brainers. Plus this would provide funds back to the military community.

Response by SSgt Mark Boggan made Apr 5 at 2015 11:35 PM

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I am a disabled Veteran. I gave ten years of my life to active duty. I am combat wounded. I feel I deserve that privilege of shopping at AAFES.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 1:47 AM

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I don't think anyone not on active duty should have PX access. It's a benefit for servicemembers on active duty, and it's to help them and their families. For everyone else, Wal-mart's over there.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 1:59 AM

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I honestly though this was a troll article. You sound like the kind of person who loves to flash their VHIC trying to get a discount for those bucket of wings.

How about getting a GS job if the PX is so important to you?

Response by PO1 Gary Michalosky made Apr 6 at 2015 2:35 AM

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The survey question is a bit misleading, in that one believing it to be a comparison and contrast between active and retirees, when it really is asking to compare and contrast "Discharged Veterans" with less than 20 years and Retirees who served 20+ years, medically retired or are 100% P&T service connected disabled with the VA.

I believe the survey question itself needs to be redrafted to ask "Discharged Veterans" and not "non-Retirees", as many "Non-Retirees" earn PX and Commissary privileges by other means!

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Apr 6 at 2015 2:55 AM

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Not more than non-retirees but equal.

Response by SFC Shane Funkhouser made Apr 6 at 2015 2:58 AM

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I think if you served during war you should get px and commissary privlage. As a vet of Iraq and Afghanistan and a retieree I think wartime service should qualify you for those privileges. I don't think this guy should compare his service to a retieree though

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 3:50 AM

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Veterans deserve everything we can get. Nobody will ever give us anything of substance without a fight.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 4:02 AM

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If you want these benefits, maybe you should have stayed in and not have left the military service after only 5 years. I have been in since 1994, been on 3 deployments as a flight medic, and I plan on staying for another few years before considering retirement. I'm in it for my country and my family, not because it give me another place to shop. Sorry bud, but I will have to vote no.

Response by PO1 Unex Law made Apr 6 at 2015 5:10 AM

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Im retired navy here and I feel as if you served and got out on a honorable discharge 1 year or 20 years you should be able to shop on base....it's a lot of people who can shop that dont...jus like the military bases has multiple gyms on each instalation yet we still have service members that fail pfa and never use the gym...

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 6:53 AM

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I really want to take up for you since you're getting bashed pretty hard here. However, I cannot. Retirees (my Mother is retired Navy) do not "deserve" AAFES rights, they have EARNED it by sticking it out with their respective branch of service for 20 years or more. I'm not sure if you are just young and have an entitlement issue, or you're just an asshat without anything else to think about. Not to mention the AF gets enough bashing from the her sister services (i.e. "chairforce" etc), without you adding onto it with your nonsense.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Apr 6 at 2015 8:04 AM

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well brotha/Sista....I Feel for ya....when I was young and got out my 1st time in 93 I kinda felt the same way after Desert Storm. I came back in the reserves July 2 1/2 month before the towers came down. served 23 yr and 30 yr all together time in service.
I would love to have a defense for ya brotha.....however somethings are reserved for retirees.
A lot of the prices at the PX be asked don't match off post anymore or the right on the price of off post, so all your saving is taxes.
But I would like to take a stab or crack at what you get net though, I think what you miss is walking around the PX BX area and sharing in the brotherhood right? That's what it was for me when I left. I missed it. I just retired in December 2014. You want the truth, I already miss it. I miss being in that uniform, miss having fun with Joe, miss walking around the PX, sitting in the cafeteria area and shooting the shit :-)

Response by CSM David Heidke made Apr 6 at 2015 8:19 AM

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how is this in "command post?"

Response by SGT James Taylor made Apr 6 at 2015 8:34 AM

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I did my 8 years with 2 deployments that added up to a total of 90 days. When I left Military service, I had limited access to AFFES. I now have 2 sons active duty and visit base more often, so yes I think I deserve access to AFFES facilities. I left the 101st Abn Div with a 50% disability rating, which has been reduced to 30%. I do use my benefits regularly.

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Apr 6 at 2015 9:06 AM

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Listen here, you little POS boot. You left the wire ten times? That's cute, I did that within my first few days in country. You wore your flak so much it got you 30% disability? That's some babyback bullshit and you know it. You should be charged with malingering, fraud, and lying to medical officers, you useless civilian. The only thing you deserve right now is a swift ax stomp to your itty-bitty shriveled testicles. GTFO of here with your crap, and how dare you insult grunts and other retirees by aligning yourself with them? You're not even on MY level, and I only did 4 years.

Response by 1SG Mike B made Apr 6 at 2015 9:14 AM

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7 more months .... I wouldn't talk about how tough it was and how you did your time when any of us here have 3+ yearlong tours

Response by SSgt Robert Clark made Apr 6 at 2015 9:25 AM

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Not sure how to vote on this. When I was active duty I had the opinion that anyone who served honorably should at least have exchange privileges, especially since a portion of the money raised by AAFES is turned back into MWR. However, I knew full well when I separated before I retired I would lose that privilege.
That being said, even 22 years ago it was getting to where the exchange didn't really offer anything savings wise that a little shopping around wouldn't also return. The only real advantage I saw my last few months in was the delayed payment plan (DPP). Not sure if that still exist, but so what. Most retail outlets are offering the same thing now, so long story short there doesn't seem to be that much advantage to the exchange for those state side.
Would I like to have exchange/limited base privileges? Yes, but it's more for an excuse to go back on a military installation and to a world that I loved than it is to shop at the exchange.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 9:54 AM

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Ok, so you're saying that if I were to separate tomorrow (at 4.5 years TIS), and since I spent 7 months in Afghanistan, I should be entitled to shop at the BX for the rest of my life? I think not. If I left today, the most I would expect is some form of going away party and a pat on the back. To say you did as much as most retirees, grunts included is completely absurd. Ok, you left the wire "more than" 10 times...could be 11 could be 20, that correlates to roughly 1-3 times a month depending on how many times you actually left. I know guys (and girls) that spent 90% of their deployment OTW. You hurt your shoulder humping your kit around, and there are folks who left arms and legs in the desert. So no, sorry I don't see any validity to your argument.

Response by CSM Michael Lynch made Apr 6 at 2015 10:43 AM

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@ anonymous Retired at 30 years and 1 day. I think you have enough responses from above and I would echo many of them, most likely not nice. so I will leave this professionally. Thank you for your service. OUT

Response by MSgt R Davis made Apr 6 at 2015 11:30 AM

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5-6 years....and you respect that retirees served a bit longer? And you did 7 whole months in Iraq...I'm to assume...in a row? Went OTW more than 10 times...so is that 11? Not demeaning your service; but get over yourself. To assume you did as much, if not more, than most retirees says a lot about your mindset and sense of entitlement.

Response by SGT(P) Michael H. made Apr 6 at 2015 11:39 AM

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Ok, here goes...After serving for the better part of 14 years, having 15 months in Iraq, a year hardship tour in S. Korea (during the attack on the island in 2010), all time away from my family, as well as multiple TDY's and other training missions, all away from my family, and dealing with dead bodies, burn victims and amputees from IEDs, multiple trauma masscal events, and other injured soldiers, sailors and airmen, having torn my back up pulling casualties across humvee seats, carried injured airmen down 4 flights of stairs from the top of a guard tower (all his gear on, all my gear on, AND a riot shield in front of me), after having 2 major rebuilds on my right shoulder, 2 major rebuilds on my right hip, and a pending surgery on my other shoulder, all from injuries received in the line of duty, not to mention dextro convex scoliosis that has developed in my back just within the past 3 years, multiple bulging disks, an L5-S1 dislocation, and severe spinal arthritis, if I'm not given 100% disability, then the chips may fall where they fall. I will not be able to serve out my 20...my body just won't go there anymore. And if I don't get my special blue access card, so be it. I knew the risks, the rules, and the way things could go when I signed my name on the dotted line. Plain and simple. YOU, "anonymous" are sadly mistaken to think that you have gone to the point of "deserving" any such access. You are not "entitled" to anything other than my thanks to you for serving our Great Nation during a time of war. Beyond that, get over yourself and move out smartly.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 11:42 AM

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This is just another example of how the youth of this country feel entitled to things they didn't earn. I am retiring from the Navy this fall after twenty years and am currently on my 8th deployment. While I my experiences on the ship may not be anywhere close to being boots on the ground, working the flight deck is very physically demanding and has left me with many scars and nagging injuries. If you want the privileges then I suggest you re-enlist and finish off the 14-15 years you have left to earn them. The dedication and sacrifice it takes to stay in this lifestyle for twenty years is why retirees get to shop at the Exchange/Commissary, not your level of disability.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 11:49 AM

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So, your assertion is that anyone who spent a single enlistment in the military should have full base privileges?

I don't know if you've been looking around...but we're cutting benefits, not expanding them. May be time to make peace with this one and move on to Target and Wal-Mart (where, BTW, I do most of my own shopping...and I drive past the BX on my way out the gate every day).

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Apr 6 at 2015 12:00 PM

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I would like to post a comment that is off the subject, but triggered by the discussion on this subject. We can always express our opinion and counsel our fellow veterans. But, we need to be cautious about comparing the value of one's service to another's. Many of our senior brothers and sisters were in the service for 3 or 4 years, and they fought in WWII. I do not think my 24 years trumps that, not even close. My father served for 20 years, from 1940 to 1961, fought in WWII, fought the communist in Greece, "fought" the Warsaw Pack in the Cold War. I'm always trying to measure up to that standard, but I can't. My brother fought in Viet Nam. Part of me wants to prove to myself and others that, like my brother, I can hack it too, but I can't prove it. I never received a mission to go to war. So, did I render less service than them? Or, did I render more service than someone who served for 1 enlistment? I served the best I could, in the time, and for the time I was given. (What did Gandalf say about not being able to chose our time?) I chose to assume that all veterans served the best they could, in the time, and for the time they were given.

Response by SSgt Kendall Byrd made Apr 6 at 2015 12:34 PM

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Really? You knew the deal when you signed up right? I usually try to give positive feedback and lift people up, but you went full retard. WTF is wrong with you? Thanks for your service but damn, no you are NOT equal to retirees. You punched out so no more BX for you. Good day sir.

PS--wuss points for going anonymous.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 1:45 PM

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>:(

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 1:49 PM

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Wow, reading your ridiculous post makes me sick. Seven months ehhhh? That doesn't even make a dent into the years of time I have spent in Iraq and Afghanistan and all the missions I conducted as a Combat Advisor. Ten in seven months? Dude that was two weeks for us. All I want when I retire is the good memories I made with my brothers and their contact information so I can keep in touch with them. Stop whining and carry on! You want the benefit, friggin earn it.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Apr 6 at 2015 2:56 PM

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I served 7 years. I got out understanding exactly what benefits I was surrendering by not completing the full 20. So did you.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Apr 6 at 2015 3:05 PM

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I'm sorry, but with all the real issues facing vets right now with the VA, this is such a non issue. If you need to find a deal, look on groupon, amazon, ebay, etc. It is never a good idea to fight a war on two fronts. Energy is better devoted to fixing the VA first, then you can look at these other nice to have benefits.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 4:06 PM

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So think once you sign that line and serve honorably. I was medically discharged. I served 8 years or I'd still be in.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 4:13 PM

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How many months did a veteran with 20+ years put into deployments in the last 13 years since 911? With 20+ years of service, and sacrifice should come some benefits at a level comensurate with their service. Maybe we should go with, you get as many years of AFFES access equal to the number of years you served. So those like my self, retiring in a few years at 27 years of service, get 27 years of AFFES shopping. Welcome your comments.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 6:45 PM

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Someone please tell me this is a troll. I can't believe that anyone would be so self-centered to believe that 7 months in Iraq is equivalent to an entire career spent in service to this country. My father served 13 years in the Navy, 12 of those years were on sea duty and 2+ of those years were in combat in the South Pacific during WWII. He came home on leave one time, my mom asked one of my older brothers "Where's Daddy?" and my brother pointed at a picture. Dad was up for reenlistment. He went back and told them he was done and never looked back. He never once regretted his decision and he never once said that he should get the same benefits as someone who retired. This attitude of entitlement is destroying our military and our country and it needs to stop.

Response by SPC William Weedman made Apr 6 at 2015 7:35 PM

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About the only I found the PX to be competitive on was health & beauty aids. Otherwise shopping for sales off-post seemed to work best for me. My experience may be different, I served 1988-1996 and was single the entire time, perhaps if I were married or had children it might have been more of a benefit.

Response by MSgt Stephanie McCalister made Apr 6 at 2015 7:52 PM

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Let me start by saying this ... Those who are 100% service connected disabled (I'm one such veteran), are accorded most the same benefits as military retirees, because it interprets to equate to a medical retirement (except no Space A travel & no medical as that comes from the VA instead of Tricare).

I would gladly give up all the 'perks' of being 100% service connected disabled, if it meant I could regain all I have missed out on the past 15+ years. I'd happily work full time, trade my handicap placard, my exchange & commissary shopping, my MWR privileges, to be able to function 'normally' again, drive again, in short, regain my independence, & be a whole person for my family as I once was.

Benefits from any career are generally based on 'time served', including retirement options & retirement medical coverage options.

So, essentially those who stayed in until reaching a full retirement, gave the military their full commitment. If your injuries had garnered you a medical retirement, that would be a different story, but if someone chooses to leave & join the civilian community, then they also chose to decline having the services available by those still serving, and by those who committed a full 20 years or more for retirement (or were medically retired).

If you are 30% service connected disabled, you have access to the 'VA Canteen' at VA hospitals, and they offer (on a much smaller scale) items you might find available at an AAFES location, at comparable prices, and tax-free. They also have a catalog you can order from & arrange to either pick up on location or have delivered to your home (if you try ordering it from online however, you'll reach the roadblock of not being either retiree or still serving).

I appreciate your service, but you chose to leave at 5 years, so no, you haven't earned the same benefits as laid out for those who put in the miles, whether they deployed or not. Military Service was a contract from both parties, and choosing to stay or leave, changes the conditions of said contract. You chose not to extend your contract, therefore, the DOD no longer owes you any further benefits outside what you were given as part of your transition out. There's no sense of 'entitlement' to this, it's a simple equation.

In the future, perhaps for budget reasons, AAFES shopping options will be extended to veterans, but unless or until that day comes, or your s/c rating increases to 100%, that's the plain & simple truth. As someone else pointed out, Target, Walmart, & Kmart, as well as many online shopping options, offer many deals at prices that are likely as good, if not better, than what you can find via AAFES these days. Happy Shopping.

Response by SGT Chris Lawrence made Apr 6 at 2015 8:21 PM

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Is this a joke? He wore his kit a lot? Isn't that what you are supposed to do with it?

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made Apr 6 at 2015 10:06 PM

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In civilian corporate life you get retirement benefits only if you stay 20 or thirty years with the company whether you worked your ass off or just sat on it. If you get hurt on the job you get disability benefits depending on severity of disability. DOD follows suit. You miss the BX,PX
Join the reserves takes 20 good years minus time served, points matter.

Response by LtCol Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 10:23 PM

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If I were in charge I'd close every commissary and exchange.

Right now they are nothing but malls for retirees. Shoe polish, rank insignia and field uniform accessories should be the the only things sold.

Well, maybe beer :-)

We just don't need them today.

Response by SrA Cee Hart made Apr 6 at 2015 10:24 PM

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7mths

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 10:27 PM

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I am a retiree, but I think that if you have served your country honorably (no matter how long) - you should at least have that little benefit of serving.

The government should give every man and woman who served honorably an ID indicating they are a veteran upon departure from service - it shouldn't be a reward just for staying in for 20 or more years.

The little benefit of the exchanges and commissaries - should be a benefit to all who have served in the military. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc.. - those men and woman who made it through alive but didn't stay in to retire should have been given the benefit.

To me this feels like what the senate and congress do to the military benefits after conflicts fade in memory. They have made veterans who got out before retirement look like lower class individuals and have treated them like society treats our homeless citizens and homeless veterans.

Anyone in my eyes who served in the military deserves the respect and honor of this nation - and a little benefit like access to exchanges and commissaries is a very small thing to ask.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 11:45 PM

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I can't agree with everything you are saying, but the ultimate point that is being made I do. If you served and separated under good terms, I absolutely think you should have access to AAFES.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 12:32 AM

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Seriously? Left the wire 10 times. Who cares. I did magnitudes more than that in 18 months over two tours in Iraq and 11 months in afghan. You did your time, you got out. You knew the benefits of staying and still left. Quit crying about it and either join up again or just deal with the fact you're a civilian and have to pay more for things.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 12:47 AM

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Sorry, your 7 months in country and 5 years of active duty are nowhere near what retirees have done. Taji was a large FOB with all kinds of amenities. Maybe if you left the wire more than 10 times you would have realized that. I'm also sorry that you hurt your shoulder by wearing your gear, I guess I should feel lucky that I only got shot on patrol...

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Apr 7 at 2015 8:52 AM

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Please tell me this is a joke. I mean, thanks for your service and all, but... no.

Response by SGT(P) Gary Neal made Apr 7 at 2015 9:11 AM

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Yes, I believe honorably discharged veterans deserve to retain Exchange/Commissary privileges.

That said, I think you should rethink your talking points. I retired after 20 years active duty in the Army. To compare apples to apples, I will only site my last five years, not my entire career. From 2006-2011, I deployed to Iraq twice for a total of 27 months: one 15-month tour and one 12-month tour, with 12 months back at home between tours, much of which was recovery from the first tour, and training to prepare for the second, so not a lot of family time. Also, when we left home station for the first, we thought we were going for 12 months. After we got there, we found out we were extended to 15. While I too held a support MOS (not infantry, armor or artillery), I completed 25 combat patrols outside the wire.

Maybe would limit access for non-retirees to Combat veterans: Army recipients of Combat Action, Infantryman's or Medic's Badge, USN/USMC recipients of the Combat Action Ribbon and USAF recipients of the AF Combat Medal.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 9:30 AM

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The way you asked the question practically demands that people disagree with you and say Yes. My questions are: Is it too costly to allow veterans access to aafes? Your problem is that you can't get access to the store without an ID and if they create the bureaucracy and spend the money to make every Veteran an ID would it overwhelm the system? I don't know but it's an interesting topic. Good Luck.

Response by Capt Erin Mires made Apr 7 at 2015 9:32 AM

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As an IRR member I still have base access and commissary privileges for the next 4 years and I almost think that is overboard. I agree that if you put your time in and commit to the military as a career then you should be awarded a benefits package that greatly outweighs those that do not.

Response by 1SG Luis Lopez made Apr 7 at 2015 9:34 AM

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there we go with entitlement mentality, Rules are rules, the only way I would agree is if the rules were changed after you joined. but if you knew them before and you wanted to keep those benefit you should have stayed until retirement....

Response by SPC Barrett Johnson made Apr 7 at 2015 9:49 AM

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I have a VA rating of almost 100%. I didn't get the option to retire because while I was deployed I received some minor injuries that made PT tests progressively more difficult after my deployment. After finishing my contract I was thinking about how I couldn't go to the PX or commissary or even go back on the base. It felt like they were saying thanks for your service but F-off. Even if they lowered it to 50% with an honorable discharge that'd be great. Most vets I doubt live next to a base I for one don't and if I could go I'd only be able to go maybe once every year or two.

Response by LT Garth Young (Ret) made Apr 7 at 2015 9:55 AM

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I agree with most...while your service is honorable and certainly significant, some benefits have to be limited. That would be like saying you should get a percentage of retirement benefits.

Response by COL John Spiszer made Apr 7 at 2015 10:07 AM

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Personally I don't think retirees need to have access to either AAFES or DECA facilities (and I am retired with 6 combat deployments under my belt and a Purple Heart). We are costing our nation too much money and have to do our part to make national security affordable. There are many competing requirements for government funding. Retirees are already getting a very good benefit in our retirement pay. PX and Commissaries in CONUS should be privatized and kept only for convenience of those living and working on post (and with same tax breaks since they are on federal property). PX and Commissaries OCONUS should be maintained for the use of Servicemembers and supporting civilians. Our grateful nation gives us more than we need. We need to stop being greedy.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 11:34 AM

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AAFES is for Active Duty; Retirees are an exception. Veterans would create too large of a shopping population. Not to mention base access issues and eligibility verification without an ID card.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 7 at 2015 12:54 PM

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Are we really going to compare the sacrifices of 20 retirees and " meh, tried it and got out" vets? Come on now... I understand you got hurt, but in fairness it's hard anyone with some time in that isn't broken in some way... Especially retirees

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 12:59 PM

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I think this post is ill conceived.

I believe a better question would simply be: "Should honorably discharged veterans be allowed to shop at military exchanges?" It takes a less aggressive tone and doesn't put anyone on the defensive.

Response by SSG John Bacon made Apr 7 at 2015 1:01 PM

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There is a reason that AAFES only allows Active and Retired military to use their stores, It is that fact that They have ID cards and can prove that they can use the service. You don't have to be 100% disabled to be retired either just 30% will get you the Blue ID card as long as you go through the process before you ETS.

Like CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member Stated you can find just as good or even better deals at Walmart and Target anyway.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 1:07 PM

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I really wish I can choose "None of the Above".

The Exchange does benefit active duty members and those who are downrange, staying on base.

With that being said, if you have all of the time to go out of your way to the nearest military base, go through the security checkpoint, try to find a parking space, find products that you can get closer to home relatively cheaper, then be my guest!

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Apr 7 at 2015 2:33 PM

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I got it! I have an awesome solution to the issue!
Exchange Club

Make it like a Sam's Club. When you enlist you can sign up for Exchange Club, and then after leaving the service you can continue using the exchange provided you signed up for it during initial enlistment, you received an honorable discharge, and pay annual club dues. The dues can go to the local exchange for improvements, salaries, hiring, or any other pressing need to make their service better. The former service member gets to continue shopping at the exchange. It's a win win

Response by MSgt Kevin Willoughby made Apr 7 at 2015 3:06 PM

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I would imagine you were informed of all the rules of service, post service, VA, retirement etc. when you joined. If you were able to accept them upon enlistment, why are you arguing your point now? Your seven months in country earned you what you got-VA benefits. Unless you were dishonorably discharged, accept what you got and move on. I put my 25 years in and got what goes with that. I won't cry and whine for benefits that someone else earned from an era before or after mine that I did not sign up for. If they want to take away what you earned, then jump on your soap box, call your Senator or Congressman and get them to assist you. Other than that, your five or six years did not earn you another day at the Commissary or BX.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 3:07 PM

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Well Justin Timberlake why don't you "CRY ME A RIVER". I have been on 2 deployments and in Iraq left the fob more than 100 times in 7 months. If I get out without retiring I know I do not get anymore, let me repeat that ANYMORE FROM THE MILITARY.just because you are 30% from wearing you load and have been deployed doesn't mean you keep getting what you think you deserve. You want the benefits but not the time join the GUARD and you can continue to get your wants. Fucking cry baby.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 3:46 PM

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Maybe the disability rating can be adjusted to reflect the conflicts we have been in, but letting anyone have access just because they served isn't realistic.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Apr 7 at 2015 3:48 PM

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I lost my nejtwork connection when I was posting this so I hope it is not a duplicate.

I have the Solution!

Exchange Club. It is like Sam's club only for service members. Make it a part of the enlistment process. Let a person decide they want to opt in to the exchange club. Then when that person receives an honorable discharge they can pay annual dues to continue shopping through the exchange service.
Take the money from the dues and put it back into the exchange system. Use it for infrastructure, salaries, upgrades, putting an organ grinder complete with symbol playing monkey in front of each store.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 3:53 PM

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First off,LOL! Secondly, No. Comparing having done a 7 month tour and 5 years to being in even the same boat as a "grunt", or someone who committed 20+ years of their life to this Country is ludicrous. You left the wire easily 10 times? Well TYFYS. I spent over 34 months in Iraq as an infantryman, and pretty much lived outside the wire. You know what special treatment or recognition I want? None. I did the job I signed up to do, and would do it again in your heartbeat. There is nothing wrong with you being proud of your service, but please don't try to relate it willy nilly to something that is nowhere comparable.

Response by LCpl Hector Verduzco made Apr 7 at 2015 4:14 PM

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I believe you are wrong. I have a disability rating of 60% and although i do have those privileges because i am currently in the IRR, but once my contract is up i do not believe i need those privileges.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 4:43 PM

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because I worked at Popeyes back in 2006 I should still get my 10% employee discount whenever I go in there. Am I understanding this logic correctly?

Retirement has its perks... that simple.

I listened to a lady talk about SMs making comments under their breath about her shopping during busy lunch hours, making comments such as to why didn't shop some other time and she had all day to do it cause she's retired, etc. but I think that's the point. She's retired. She earned her "green light" to shop where she wants WHEN she feels like it....

On top of that... you said you shopped there because of the perks/discounts... pretty sure that's why everyone else does- it's made FOR the service member. your do not get those privileges any more.

Response by PO3 Reynaldo Rosas made Apr 7 at 2015 5:17 PM

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They should! if they did time, why not? There are plenty of people that don't know how much we sacrifice when we enlist. Now as long they got out with an honorable discharge, I see no problem.

Response by Lt Col Bradford Keene made Apr 7 at 2015 6:45 PM

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What would be the incentive to travel through a career, if one received career benefits right out of the starting gate? Perhaps those who have separated after a few years, and miss certain aspects, should consider joining the Reserve and become part of the family again.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Apr 7 at 2015 7:19 PM

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If you were let out for being disabled due to an injury incurred in the line of duty, I can see being allowed to use the AAFES facilities, but otherwise, no. I got out at a tad under 13 years and I knew I would lose all privileges and am not worried about it. I would love to shop on base but I made my choice to get out.

Response by Sgt Kenneth Korte made Apr 7 at 2015 7:38 PM

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You lost me at "I did as much as most retirees, including grunts", and as a 5 yr zoomie who got disability for just wearing a rucksack for 7 months.

Response by MSG Billy Goldston made Apr 7 at 2015 10:38 PM

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"A" as in one, 7 month tour? 10 times outside the wire in that 7 months? give me a break!! There are so many things wrong with what you just said on so many levels!! Its not that AAFES shopping is all that great but those who do the time to earn the entitlements, I believe that was the agreement when you raise your hand. My Uncle said give me 20 and I will give you xyz benefits..... Give 5 years and here is your slap on the back have goodun. BTW exactly what was your chapter for? Oh yeah your gear hurt your shoulder. And to say that your LITTLE BIT of service is equal to Combat Arms Soldier with 20 plus years and 8-10 full tour deployments in country, you do deserve a trip to the VA for a TBI check! Oh and my uncle says he is sorry he the equipment he gave you was sooo heavy it hurt you...what a joke!!

Response by CWO3 Shawn Kopaczewski made Apr 8 at 2015 12:06 AM

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Well I don't know if I rate to weigh in on this only having served 21 years as a U.S. Marine I won't bore you all with I have more deploy time than most. If you add up my deploy time, combat and schools it was well over Six years. And being 80% disabled on top of it all. I like and agree with the SMSgt's and Col's perspective. I respect your time served and salute you for being a Veteran, but don't try to compair your time to a Retirees you will not like the answer that you get.

R/S
CWO3 SKI USMC (RET) Semper Fi

Response by CW3 Scott Castlen made Apr 8 at 2015 1:08 AM

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I disagree. While you did serve, for which I thank you, comparing your service to others is flat out asinine. You even quantified it by saying you hurt your shoulder from wearing kit.

So you say you served a "7 month tour and left the wire easily more than 10 times". What's the take away? That you left the wire easily less than 20 times? That's not as much as most grunts that I know, not even close in a 7 month period, or even 5 yrs. I spent time in Taji (08), and most grunts I saw were living outside the wire in COPS. I'm sure if you had seen their living conditions and the duties that they performed, that you would most certainly not compare yourself to our boys out there doing the real heavy lifting.

Let it go, you did your time and got out. You probably got a lot more for disability than most grunts I know.........

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 1:41 AM

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If your medically retired and forced out because of it then yes.... I would feel as though most would have made 20 of their body could have kept up

Response by 1SG Joe Messier made Apr 8 at 2015 1:50 AM

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I would be open to it because there is power in numbers, it could drive costs down and pump more money in to the MWR. My largest concern is security on the installations. There's a lot of bugs to work out. For example what is the cut off line? You did two years, you get life long access? Service disability rating drives the train? You went to war, here's a prize? Seems as though it could be a viable solution in times of need like budget crunches. Who knows, it might be crazy enough to work.

Response by 1SG Joe Messier made Apr 8 at 2015 6:30 AM

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http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-11-26/modernizing-the-military-px-west-point-grad-has-a-plan

Can the Turnaround Artist Who Fixed Barneys Save the Army PX?

Tom Shull says the answer is expanding into online retailing, even as the Pentagon tries to downsize

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 9:22 AM

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"I respect that retirees served a little bit longer, but I did 7 months in Iraq."

A little bit longer? Try 24 years.

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Apr 8 at 2015 12:24 PM

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So much to say.... so much already said. My input is going to be simple.

In answer to the question: Do Retirees Really “Deserve” Access to AAFES Stores More Than Non-Retirees?

YES. They do.

Response by SPC Thomas Moore made Apr 8 at 2015 12:41 PM

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I did my 6.5 years in peacetime, and agree with all who said no. I will go further and say for myself, I don't feel qualified for medical benefits. I would feel quilty for taking the doctors time away from someone who really needed it. If you left on your own like I did, you forgo all the benefits.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 1:34 PM

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If you wanted to continue using the benefits of Military service, you probably should have stayed in uniform. Retirees absolutely deserve it as they have given a lifetime of service to our country while in uniform.

Keep in mind, if you desire to use the benefits, I am sure there is a Reserve/Guard recruiter in your area who needs former servicemembers like yourself.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 2:15 PM

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I'm pretty sure AAFES (and the DoD) would love to have as many people shopping at AAFES (and the Navy/Marine Corps Exchanges) as possible. That money goes straight back into the DoD in the form of non-appropriated funds (read: MWR). The problem is political: when more people shop on base, fewer people go to WalMart, Target, etc. If fewer people shop off base, that's less sales tax the state and municipality can collect. So, your issue is with Congress, not really AAFES or the DoD. And, for my two cents, the only benefit I've gotten from AAFES is not having to pay sales tax on big-ticket items. I can get lower prices online. Chances are the person who says you don't "deserve" to shop at AAFES doesn't know what they're really talking about.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 3:50 PM

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There is a negative condescending tone to this post, and by the looks of it, you are putting yourself in the same category as someone that has served 20, 30 or 40 years. One thing I can tell you about RP is you better not piss off the retirees.
One correction I would add: Serving 5 or 10 years isn't the same as being a lifer.

I also realize you're only asking for PX privileges, seems benign to me, but it's all about your approach.

I served, I went to war, I have 18.5 years in the military, I have a short timer mentality, but I would never tell a retiree that my 18.5 years is equal to his or her 20 or more years of service. You made a major faux pas with this post, you insulted every retiree on RP...good luck getting anyone to agree with you.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 4:47 PM

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Everything about your initial post was worded badly. Including the initial question.

While I don't care about access to AAFES there is a much better question.

Should non-retirees be allowed access to AAFFES?
And you can make the case that spouses and family members are, so people who have honorably served should be allowed to shop there as well.

There is no need to compare your service to others.
If we allow non retiree's where is your line? If someone does two years Active duty or 6 years Reserves, never deploys, but is discharged honorably, are they allowed? Or were you thinking only people who have been deployed?
I personally wouldn't care if anyone who gets out honorably can use their services.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 4:59 PM

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I'm not impressed by the prices in my local exchange... I just shop sales at any department store... Just as good

Response by Sgt Branden W. made Apr 8 at 2015 5:06 PM

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I want the 3 minutes it took me to read this BACK. Troll much? I certainly hope this isn't a cheap ploy to get "points" on your RP account.

Response by SFC James Massey made Apr 8 at 2015 5:22 PM

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There should still be a few perks to serving a full 20 year hitch (27 years myself). If a person with less years who served in a designated combat area and was wounded/injured in support of combat operations or injured in the line of duty with a valid line of duty investigation report with a rating of 30% or higher should be considered "retired" form active duty with your monthly retirement pay. With this, then PX/ Commissary privileges should be authorized just like any other retiree. If they did not get a "retired" status then they should re-apply. I have a good friend who 30% and he is listed as retired and gets a small check each month with full PX/Commissary benefits.

Response by MSgt Alan Cayer made Apr 8 at 2015 7:09 PM

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Sorry dude, membership (retired status) has its privileges.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 9:24 PM

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That is a part of serving and serving the 20+! Don't know why this is a post?!

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Apr 8 at 2015 10:18 PM

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In the name of full disclosure, I am employed by the DOD in a Civil Service position now and have access to the AAFES because of that. I did not enjoy that privileged situation for more than a decade between leaving active duty and now, so I can understand your desire to enjoy that privilege. There are many perks to being a servant of the government.
You, after serving 5 or 6 years) have done nothing to compare to the service of someone that served 20 or more years. Not even your 7 months in Iraq come close. An actual grunt would spend around 12 or more months deployed depending on the mission parameters and do it over and over again for their entire time in service. I know people that have made 5 trips between Iraq and Afghanistan during the current time of hostility with each trip being a year long. How does your 7 months stack up against 5 years over there?
You knew full well that you would loose your perks upon leaving the service.
To me, it sounds like you should man up, but if you had been able to do that, you might still be in the military instead of drawing a 30% disability check and being a big baby about not getting to shop at the exchange.

Response by CW2 Eric Scott made Apr 9 at 2015 12:47 AM

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I think non-retiree veterans should be able to access the of you have service connected disabilities that you are claiming through the VA that is if you are rated at X% of disabled than sure come on in. If not, then there has to be something for the retirees. Walmart and Target are wicked nice though and most people, SM and VETS use them anyway.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 1:24 AM

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After having looked at some of the posts and thinking more about the issue--I wonder where do you draw the line? You have to draw it somewhere. Similar discussion can be made with the space A hops. I know 100% disabled has been fighting to get that privilege. I believe they can now use the exchange. Also I also heard that the on-line ordering is opening up to honorable discharged veterans. Another issue is that they are discussing reduced retirements for less than 20 year veterans. I wonder how that would impact on exchange, commissary, TRICARE and space A. I haven't heard the details on that part of the proposal. That can open a can of worms especially for Space A and TRICARE. Some people have also commented on 20 years vs 4 or 5 years. I served 28 years in the reserves (3 on active duty) and get PX commissary space A right away, and TRICARE at 60. Counting drills and extra AT/ADT/ADSW I would say i have equivalent of 7 years active. (no combat experience) Yet veterans with 10 years service combat or not get nothing unless medically retired. (although would be entitled to various VA benefits) So whats fair. I honestly don't know. It is hard to draw the line! The one argument than can be said for reserve retirement benefits is being "on-call" for 20 or more years. As DOD considers retirement reforms there will have to make a lot of sticky decisions on the details.

Response by SGT Richard Ellis made Apr 9 at 2015 11:11 AM

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@ anonymous, I'm glad you did your 5 Yrs of service, and deployed one time for 7 months. That is commendable.
So you are saying that you deserve the same benefits as me? I did 28 Years, had numerous deployments, and have over 30 months of combat experience, most of which was outside the wire. I was Medically Retired, 14 years prior to when I planned to retire. Because you got hurt from wearing your kit makes you special I guess. You can still serve with a 30% rating. Do your other 15 years like the recruiter told you that you would need to retire to get the so called "benefits" of AAFES.

Personally I've found stuff to be of better quality and less expensive at WalMart. My last carton of cigarettes I bought at the PX the receipt said I saved $12.00 on my purchase (I paid $4.00 more than what I pay at Redners WITH paying tax). Alcohol is $5- 10 WITH paying TAX less expensive at the state store 2 blocks away from my house.

Too bad you're only complaining about AAFES. Are there any other benefits that you want to be entitled to?

Response by LTC Bruce Kahl made Apr 9 at 2015 11:52 AM

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At one time guard and reservist had limited access to px and commissary priveledges. They can do the same

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 1:44 PM

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Anyone using the term "left the wire" doesn't deserve to go to AAFES! ANYONE!

Response by SPC Negel Mohammed made Apr 9 at 2015 6:00 PM

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I don't know who you are, but I do believe that you and anyone with prior service should at least get that as well as an Military Identification card veteran. But many would disagree by saying you got to put in the time in service,or be 100% to get this.Who are us to be telling each other which one of us deserve benefits while the people who write these policies never served a day. AAFES is discount is just pennies compare to the billions that are being given away to other countries.

Response by Maj Matt Hylton made Apr 10 at 2015 1:13 PM

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It'll probably help AAFES and the Commissaries if veterans were allowed to shop there as well. More customers means more money coming into their stores.

I know there have been several proposals to at least open up AAFES online to veterans with a valid DD214 with an honorable discharge.

Response by SPC Jesse Bruno made Apr 10 at 2015 7:03 PM

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i got medical retirement thanks to some POS a**hole in a trunk with a sks. so i have aafes benefits for what? because i got hit? what about my brothers that pulled me out of the street and saved my life? Its a freaking store let them have it they served. and in case any of you don't know if you don't have an active duty CAC you cant buy issued items at clothing and sales. as i found out trying to replace my wooby after years of abuse.

I too spent time on taji in 06. what a s*it hole that place was. the pool was nice though. lol

Response by CSM Ralph Hernandez made Apr 11 at 2015 11:23 PM

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Her is my nickels worth. I understand what you're saying but you have to remember that Commissary & PX privileges are afforded to those who stayed and finished their 20 year commitment. You served 7 months in a combat zone where a lot of Soldier, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines served 12 to 15 months and some longer. That's just like saying that I should get a Batchelor degree for completing 100 college credits instead of the required SH required for the same degree. You knew and I am sure that everyone that joins the Military knows that you have to do twenty years to retain or keep those priviledges. They also tell you that if you do not complete them you are authorized to use the VA as long as you had a service connected disability, and if you got severance pay you would have to pay back a portion of that to be able to use your VA benefits. I will bet my nickel that you knew what you were entitled before you left. That is just my nickels worth.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 12:44 PM

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I literally thought this was a joke. AAFES privileges be damned, if you think your five years of service and seven months in Iraq somehow put you on par with men and women who have given their entire entire adult lives to their country and, in some cases, multiple appendages, you need to reevaluate yourself.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 12:16 PM

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I am still active, served 17 yrs, 5 deployments, outside the "wire" almost all my deployments.
You think you rate the same as me?!
I applaud your service, but be careful on what you are trying to compare.
You sound ignorant and obliviously to the whole benefits and entitlements thing!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 12:52 PM

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Yes they have more than earned the right to use any facility on post.

Response by SPC Barry Askins made Apr 22 at 2015 12:59 PM

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Never complain about a seven month deployment to people who have done 15 month tours. Now that we have that out of the way. I do agree it would be a nice perk to be able to use AAFES locations but I'm not going to get my undies in a wad about it. If they change their policy great, if not keep calm and carry on.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Apr 22 at 2015 1:05 PM

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My personally feeling is that non-retirees who served in the Guard, Reserves, and on Active Duty in all services and retirees of all services should be allowed to use AAFES. I beleive in today's environment and world they have all served their country in one form or fashion. Let's all get along as service men and women in this country and take care of our retirees and veterans!

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Apr 22 at 2015 1:06 PM

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Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Apr 22 at 2015 1:27 PM

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Put the time in you reap the benefits!

Response by MAJ Eric Hendrickson made Apr 22 at 2015 1:57 PM

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No, you don't deserve the benefits that retirees earn. 7 months in Taji and more that 10 times outside the wire is a pretty good deployment. I would love to have that be the most I could complain about. I have been to Taji, it is an absolute resort compared to the places I have been. And more that 10 times outside the wire? Really, my last deployment I was outside the wire more than inside the wire. I would have 10 times in 5 days. You care to talk about grunts? Join the Infantry, then we can talk about your troubles. On second thought, no we can't.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Apr 22 at 2015 3:10 PM

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Why are we even having this discussion? I remember running into retirees as a troop and I never minded their presence on base. They were simply making use of the benefits they worked for. You serve your time, you get the benefits you were promised. Well... that's how it used to work. Not any more. The free medical and dental I was promised isn't free any more... nor are the Space A rides on military aircraft (correct me if I am wrong). Would have been nice to go to Europe like so many retirees did when I was in. They were never turned away at the commissary or exchange, or treated like they didn't belong. So what gives?

The Base CO's are knee-jerk reacting to the terrorist threat and when you do that they win. I'm not saying you don't take smart and sensible precautions, but when you deny retirees access to the base and facilities, and hassle them over regulations that really don't apply to them, you're setting bad precedents.

I went to ride my motorcycle aboard Camp Lejeune and got stopped at the gate because I didn't have an Orange Vest, Gloves (it was warm out), or Boots. I was wearing leather shoes. So the next time I went there (a few months later), I had the Orange Vest, Gloves, and Boots but I didn't have their base approved safety course sticker. New rule. Grrrr! 2 hr ride wasted.

Honestly, you would think that once a person is out of the military and not subject to the military chain of command that you would no longer be subject to the Base Commander's rules that go above and beyond State Law. Speed Limits, yes. State Inspection, yes. Helmet, yes. These I get. Orange vest, long pants, boots and gloves? Are they required to ride a motorcycle out in town? Don't you think we're getting carried away just becaise the Base CO doesn't want accidents on his safety record? I'm even okay with wearing the required boots, gloves, long pants, AND orange vest, but to make me pay to go to a safety class before I can ride on that base? !!! That's just plain NUTS! If the Base CO wants to make it mandatory for his troops, fine, but don't put that on those who are retired. They earned their right to the base and don't need to be hassled. The obsession with political correctness, control, and knee jerk reacting has to stop.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Apr 22 at 2015 3:16 PM

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I was seriously injured in the military during a tactical operation in 1976. The short side is that I stayed in as long as I could, but the injuries required me to leave the service. Not on a medical discharge, and because the VA in the 1970's was not a great place to be I gave up on them early on, and never contested their denying coverage even though it was on my DD-214 because I had better things to do than fight with the VA. I am in my 60's now, and the injuries have seriously changed my quality of life and mobility. The VA, true to form, is still miserable in their time to update ratings.
I had to leave military service because of serious injuries. I never had the opportunity to continue my career path, and I do not have a 100% rating so I can not shop there. I feel that as long as I have a VA ID card showing disabled rating that I should be able to shop there if I want to. But that is not the case. So, just my 2 cents.
From a business model, however, deliberately cutting off the opportunity to shop there by more people is a lousy decision because they are reducing ability to increase market share and ameliorate costs accordingly. So cutting the exchange altogether while using defective business models, while seemingly in accord with other governmental approaches in solving (sic) problems, is a poor decision in absence of other factors.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Apr 22 at 2015 3:38 PM

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One other thought - when my disabilities caught up to me in full blossom and I lost two years of my life because of that, the commissary privileges would have been a great blessing. The PX not so much. Because I was not 100%, and the VA has incredible long periods to react, I was not able to work.

Someone else mentioned that this should be be a major issue, because the VA still has a lot of holes that need filling. There are a lot of good people there, but a lot of poor policies. Fixing those policies should be the priority, because even in the 70's the PX was no bargain, but if you had limited ability to get off base was necessary.

Now, the security issues are problematic for bases, so is securing access to the base more important, or the ability to have questionable savings at a PX? Commissary was a better buy then. And, how close are veterans to a base to shop there in any event?

Response by SPC Robert Davenport made Apr 22 at 2015 6:10 PM

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I disagree that non-retirees should get AAFES benefits.... I was one of those "Army grunts"... in my 18 month deployment to Iraq 2004-2005 I went IN the wire about 10 times. We lived on a patrol base (just our unit 130 men and an SF team) and went on base to pick up mermite food twice a day. MREs for lunch. I served 8 years and have been an embedded Army contractor for almost 5 years now. I have done another year in Taji and 9 months in Afghanistan as a contractor. I am part of the personnel count for an Army unit. I work on military bases with the unit everyday and I still don't even get PX, Commissary or Class 6 benefits.

So, thank you for your 10 times out the wire and summer camp deployment, but no... you in no way deserve as much as a retiree or a disabled vet. I would enjoy the benefits but I knew when I got out that I would lose them, I still got out and so did you.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 6:14 PM

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Well the SMSgt hit the nail on the head. I'll just add - the Exchange isn't so great these days. You aren't missing anything.

Response by LTC Charles Sherman made Apr 22 at 2015 6:51 PM

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Has Rallypoint descended to the point that "anonymous" and clearly very controversial topics like this are allowed? Does Rallypoint really need to do this to drive traffic? My opinion of Rallypoint just dropped a notch, because I expected more.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 7:24 PM

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Something my dad told me when he retired was "I've done my time" now I'm still only two years in. But I do feel as if I do 20 I earned my benefits, 20 years of hardship and sacrifice. It adds up a whole lot more then a few to five years. I always have and always will respect the brothers and sisters in arms now and those who served. But you can't say it's discrimination if you knew before you signed up, that there are different benefits for retirees compared to just doing a contract

Response by CPO Andrea Wertenbach made Apr 22 at 2015 7:28 PM

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Other then supporting the health and welfare program(USN),I see no reason to shop at either the Exchange or Commissary.You almost need a bank loan at the exchange the prices are so high and prices at the grocery store are the same as on base and I don't have to pay someone to push my cart to the car.

Response by 1SG Todd Sullivan made Apr 22 at 2015 7:36 PM

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Not to be rude but.... Seriously, are we having this discussion? Those who choose, to get out, got out... If you choose do get out after 4 years 5, 15, you did not retire, retiring is a separate monster in itself but it is 20, 20 plus years of devotion, so why should someone who did not make the same commitment get the same benefits?? Why retire?? Why give 20, 20 plus years if I can still get or earn (however you choose to phrase it) if I can just pop in for a few years or the minimum amount and get the same thing. I honestly don't see the point to this thread... Again not to be rude ( I thank you for your service, and this may not fit you)... Sounds like the entitlement syndrome.
That is all carry on.

Response by SFC Joseph James made Apr 22 at 2015 7:48 PM

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By writing this anonymously you are already telling us that you do not have conviction in what you think. I have aaroblem with people who think they deserve something that they did not earn. I've learned that you cannot compare your career with any other service member because no two careers are the same.

The PX is for the few of us that that have gone the full distance of time and sacrifice. They worked their assess off for this benefit (they deserve more) and it should belong to them and Active Duty only.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Apr 22 at 2015 7:55 PM

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Thank you for your service and sacrifices, but there is already a way to get what you want. If you want to continue to have access to base and base services, get a civilian DoD job. At least that way you can buy your 5-6 years of military service towards your civilian retirement... and you'll get your much coveted access to base shopping and MWR. As a vet, you get a 5 point hiring preference. If you are a disabled vet, you'll get a 10 point hiring preference. Check out http://www.usajobs.gov.

Don't expect things to be handed to you. If Exchange and Commissary access is so important to you, follow the existing path that leads you to what you want.

USAJOBS - The Federal Government’s Official Jobs Site

This is a United States Office of Personnel Management website. USAJOBS is the Federal Government’s official one-stop source for federal jobs and employment information.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 8:16 PM

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Wow. Just wow. Okay lets shoot straight here. Some folks did 20 years or more and were never in any danger. They deserve benefits they earned for thier service. You chose to leave before 20 years so, you dont. That is the way it works period. Sorry to be blunt and thank you for your service but thats just the way it is.

Response by CW4 Robert Goldsmith made Apr 22 at 2015 11:10 PM

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I feel insulted by your anonymous, self-serving statement. Thank you for serving 5 years in the Air Force. Is that one of the vaIues you learned while you were in? I was separated from my family for 5 years during my 20+ years in the Marines and Army with 5 deployments that include Afghanistan and Iraq. There are many who have deployed even more. You say your shoulder aches. Well so does mine. I had surgery in between two Iraq deployments and went back down range with an arthritc back and torn ligaments in my ankle. I didn't whine or complain because I know someone else always has it worse. You are indicative of a generation that feels something is owed to them. If your DD214 doesn'the say retired, then you're not entitled to retirement benefits. Feel free to visit a recruiter and complete 15 more years on active duty before President Obama and Congress overhaul the military retirement system.

Response by SGT Larry Michael Bleckler II made Apr 22 at 2015 11:34 PM

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Yes as a 21 year veteran I earned it as well as others.

Response by TSgt David L. made Apr 22 at 2015 11:46 PM

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I feel that someone who served 20ish years has priority over a regular "Veteran". That said, Disabled Vets should get the same privileges as a retiree. But step back and look at the situation, it's the BX/PX. It's not like they are getting into Disneyland or something. Tax free is the biggest benefit. I you need the perk of AAFES that bad should be able to sign a hardship letter and be granted access. IMO of course.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 7:32 AM

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I appreciate your service and respect your honorable actions; however, that does not equate to a career of sacrifice. Retiring from the military after 20+ years requires dedication and commitment beyond a single enlistment. If you want the benefits, then do your time. Simple.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 8:00 AM

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Talk about self entitlement, what a joke

Response by CW4 Laird Culver made Apr 23 at 2015 10:02 AM

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Good day to you! I was a Brat following my father, who served 23 years, around the world. I served 22 years after college dragging my spouse and Brats around the world.

Your query is akin to asking if it is right that you cannot go to a military hospital for treatment because you don't have the ability to use TRICARE as retirees and medical retirees do.

I appreciate your service to our country first and foremost, but there is a little more to it than having served over 20 years or not. When you dedicate most of your productive years to the military and retire you exit the service with experience, but you are also older than the rest of the workforce from which the prospective employer hires. Those of you who ETS'd before being retirement eligible have youth on your side. You have been out in the workforce with the ability to make more money than if you had remained. Since you are able to be employed in the civilian sector with the ability for advancement, you have to be willing to give up what was a military privilege.

Part of the "package deal" is that a retiree's family has stuck by their side and sacrificed in most cases the ability to have a career and set themselves up for their own nest eggs. That being said it was for the families of the military members that the PX, BX, NEX, Commissaries and the like were set up. Historically, the military bases sprung up in areas where there were no shopping facilities other than the exchanges. Can you imagine a family surviving the ordeal of a military transient lifestyle without some priveleges? I cannot. They are more of a privilege for the families who sacrificed than for the military member who spent most of their productive years in service to their country.

While serving you had commissary and exchange privileges when all you really needed was a barbershop and military clothing. Everything else (housing, chow, latrines, recreation) was made available to you by the military.

Response by SFC Matthew Parker made Apr 23 at 2015 10:29 AM

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Your wrong, No you don't deserve the PX. You signed a contract, you did your job, deploying is part of the job. You got out and you don't get the privilege of going to the PX.
The rest of your post is just plain absurd. 7 months? Really? Try 12/18/13 months
30%? try being a real wounded warrior like our brothers and sisters who are missing a limb.

You can't be from Watertown, we don't snivel like that. Waltham maybe but not Watertown.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 10:37 AM

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Added twice in error.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 10:40 AM

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Based on the amount of time you served, and the timing of this post, I can only assume that you are under the age of 30. Whether that's in fact the case or not is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is, you are clearly smack dab in the middle of what I like to call the "Playstation Generation." Unlike Playstation, there are no "Cheat Codes" that magically whisk you to the final tournament where victory is guaranteed as a result of your use of an "invincibility code." You've got to make it all the way through this "game" without the use of any “Cheat Codes,” and unfortunately, many men and women better than you and CERTAINLY better than me have not.

In addition to being part of the "Playstation Generation," you also belong to the "T-Ball generation," where EVERYONE gets a trophy. Unfortunately, that logic has skewed your ability to rationalize what fair and equitable entitlements are. It's not your fault; you were taught that you deserve what you believe everyone else is getting regardless of the amount of effort you've put in. It's called a false sense of entitlement. The only way everyone gets the same thing without putting forth any effort is in a communist society. Feel like waiting in line for stale bread? Me neither. Pick yourself up by your boot straps, and go make something amazing out of your life, your 5+ years in the military should make you a great employee wherever you choose to seek employment. Maybe AAFES would be a place to start, and then you can have all the discounts you want, and probably factor in an employee discount to boot!

(Not everyone under 30 can be defined as I’ve stated above, but if the “Cheat Codes” fit…)

Response by SSG Melvin Nulph made Apr 23 at 2015 11:32 AM

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Note: Your wording for reasons/excuses is, "Oh, so wrong for someone that wants to get their point a crossed to anyone in our military family, in my opinion." to be 100% honest with you. I feel you are also wrong with your statement about feeling DoD's discrimination against non-retirees not being able to use the AAFES, it was never (in black & white) in any type of contract was it?
I'm sure the contract you signed was the same type of contract customized to you, for the branch of severis you choose, at the time of your inliastment & or re-inlistment as the rest of us. Am I right? No hidded stuff about your race, religion, creed or anything else was hidden in there that prevented you from getting everything promised to you at that time.

Now believe it or not, I feel that anyone that left the military under Honorable Conditions should be able to use the AAFES stores once they prove they left the military under those condition's just for giving something like you have to there country. "Time". That's just my opinion.
With my opinion being mentioned, if you said you served 5 years active in the USAF, I can not find any reason that i would up it to 6 years or anyone else would as far as that goes? There is no known reason that I know of! Did you get out or was you put out for medical reasons, not allowing you to re-up?
Please, never say that you did as much as "most retirees" that did 20(+) years in your 5 active years in the USAF, you know you're wrong for that. But to add the statement, ("including retired gurnts") to me that just goes way to far. I'll try to take it that your shoulder was really hurting you and that was added under the influence of some really, really strong pain medication along with the others like;
"I did a 7-month tour in Iraq at FOB Taji,"
"Easliy left the wire more than 10 times"
"I hurt my shoulder due to wearing my kit a lot"
"I deserve AAFES access as much as any retiree."
The thing I can not believe after all this you added what I'll refer to as, "The Iceing On The Cake", statement on why you should have the right to shop at AAFES.
" I respect that retirees served a little bit longer, but I did 7 months in Iraq."

"I" would like to end this with a question and then the best thing I read on your statement area and Would only hope that yourself and others could understand why with no further inquiry.
(Q)
How did you make it in the USAF for 5 years with "I" being on your mind so much, was the 7 months you spent in Iraq by yourself or what?

The beast thing I read was typed in blue, it states, "Read Less" !!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 11:59 AM

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I will not come to your defense, 7 months in Iraq ? There are service members who have had more time deployed than stateside in 5 years and lost 1 or more limbs. They don't get to shop at AAFES due to the fact they got Med Boarded and less than 100%, I don't see them whinning. If uou wanted benifits you should have retired.

Response by SSG Kenneth Lanning made Apr 23 at 2015 12:21 PM

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Reality check...if every vet had commisary and exchange access, NOBODY would ever be able to get anything out of it because there would lines of people waiting to get cheap booze and cigarettes. A line has to be drawn somewhere...yeah I know it sucks-but a single tour downrange will entitle you to a couple good stories at the local bar, nothing more. No, you DON'T deserve AAFES access, and neither does anyone else that hasn't done 20+ years or received a medical retirement.

Response by CW2 Martin Brannan made Apr 23 at 2015 12:42 PM

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I think what you deserve is what the government promised you. The government promised you access to AAFES if you served until retirement. If you didn't serve until retirement, you don't deserve the same things those that did were promised. Simple as that.

And, no, I am not a retiree.

Response by SMSgt Dan Powell made Apr 23 at 2015 1:54 PM

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I am sure that you are justifiably proud of your 7-month tour in Iraq. I am authorized to use the Exhanges because of my 21 years of active duty. I also spent 12 months in Viet Nam ('68-'69) and another 12 months in support of combat operations. All I can tell you is, get your VA disability upgraded or just do like the rest of us, follow the rules.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 2:02 PM

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Ladies and gentlemen this is how you show your ass. If you want to preserve face and avoid a shitstorm, please refrain from making such egotistical posts. Thank you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 4:39 PM

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the regulatory guidance is found here: AR 215-8/AFI 34-211 dated 2012

I respect all Veterans Retired or not. hell, i may be out prior to retirement too, and will be sad to see my priviledges limited- but hey- Sh*t happens and we move on.

i have a PDF of the tables, but am unable to to load it...

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 4:48 PM

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Simplest way to put it. If you had done enough to deserve it, you would've been medically retired at 6, and retained your privileges. The system gave your due.

Response by 1SG Kerry Lingo made Apr 23 at 2015 5:01 PM

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I served 26 years active duty and retired. Sorry you did not do your 20 years and retire for what ever reason it was. But no, if you did not retire from the Military you do not deserve the same benefit as those who put in the time. Don't know how old you are now, but if your really passionate about this, go back in the reserves, do your time, and retire.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 5:14 PM

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I will gladly give you my 100% disability for PTSD and 23 pills a day, and my PX privileges, if you want them.

Response by SSgt Robert Clark made Apr 23 at 2015 6:46 PM

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I am pretty sure I have posted on this already, and I know it's probably kicking a dead horse but I just have to say this. I was playing patty cakes one day on active duty and I jammed my finger. Does this mean I get a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star and unlimited base privileges for the rest of my life. I didn't retire, but I feel that the above injury makes be equal to all who have deployed and actually were put in harms way and actually made it to retirement....right?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 7:59 PM

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You say you have done 5 years and did a 7 month your down range and those should be the reasons you have base access. Sorry to say I can agree with you, for example I have 12 yrs and 5 combat deployments (still active) as well as countless others. It seems you want to take advantage of the benefits without the work, you speak on those who have retired that's 20 years of service or more. Trying to compare 5 yrs and a deployment to 20 years of service is kind of an insult.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2015 8:19 PM

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I'm not going to go off on the original post. But I do believe people that have gotten out whether willingly or not should have some (though limited) access. Pretty much down to an Internet access to AAFES (and commissary if that ever does go online). With the army as a whole shrinking, the pool of possible consumers is shrinking with it. Let's not forget that the proceeds from profits from AAFES is supposed to go towards paying for things like MWR programs and whatever else it does cover. If a short timer can help cover costs of operations, why not let them?

Response by PO3 Ken Jeschonek made Apr 24 at 2015 12:35 AM

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The only reason I voted ‘No’ to this is… Myself just being an 8yr total service veteran, when I departed from active duty, I didn't expect that any perks to active service would follow me into civilian life. This Dec (2015) will be 23 years since separating from the military, and I have yet to enroll with the VA or use any benefit other than my VA-Loan, which I've used once. I guess I’m just “old school” in the thinking that; I didn't have it before I went in, why would I expect it after getting out without going all the way to the end game (retirement)? That said… I have 8 years, 2 months and 7 days until I reach 30 years with my current employer, and yes I will be expecting everything due to me for this completed stint of service.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2015 2:55 AM

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The comment "I deserve AAFES access as much as any retiree" just puts a horrible taste in my mouth. I've seen this sense of entitlement in several forms, and it really puts me off. Why? Because we sound like a bunch of insolent little children throwing a tantrum.

On Veteran's Day 2014, I weighed in on a discussion on my hospital forum in which a couple of veterans started a discussion complaining about how they didn't get free breakfasts when they had to work on veterans day....they "only" had a ceremony that was put on by the hospital to acknowledge veterans (which they couldn't attend because they were working).

Here's the deal: Why did you join? I joined because I love my country and I got tired of watching my friends blown up or on frequent combat tours. There are benefits that I will get now as a veteran that are not afforded to non veterans, and there are benefits to combat veterans that are not afforded to me. Then there are benefits to retirees that aren't afforded to even combat veterans.

Additionally, I would like to point out a specific vocabulary term. BENEFIT is something that is given to you as a condition of meeting an expectation/standard, an ENTITLEMENT is something that is automatic and universal. You have benefits already afforded to you as a result of your disability that are not afforded to others, such as free access to the VA for healthcare and prescriptions. Some states offer free hunting/fishing license and discounts on other government services. You have benefits afforded to you such as your MGIB/post-9/11 GI Bill that are afforded for your completion of services. During the time of your deployment, your healthcare was free and you were paid reasonably well, plus tax breaks. These are all things that were given to you by the government as a thank you.

Then you have the "I did 7 months in Iraq." Thank you. I'm not a combat vet, and am not trying to diminish that, but I have several friends that have done multiple combat tours and are not allowed to shop at AAFES either. They are grateful to have had the opportunity to serve and look back on that time with the usual mixed emotions. Some of them left the wire far more often, and still they are grateful for their experiences. Your service in the military has afforded you many benefits that would not otherwise have been available to you. AAFES is simply not one of those benefits. Rather than being upset for that one benefit, try to consider the other methods in which your service has benefitted your life. I know that the 30% paycheck from disability isn't enough to life off of, but I do know that it's enough that it will offset what you would have saved from shopping at AAFES. Now, combine that with free medical care for the LOD-related condition. See all the ways you are CONTINUING to benefit from the military? Maybe not enough to buy a car, but it can help offset groceries.
v/r,
CPT Butler

Response by Col Dave Mork made Apr 24 at 2015 3:12 AM

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You sound ridiculous. Comparing your deployment to what those who put in 3+ times longer is not a rational comparison. Trust me, you did not do what they did. You did the easiest part smart Alex!! As you got some rank your responsibilities would have quadrupled twice over...and it might be you, on your third or fourth deployment in charge of getting your soldiers home alive. My guess is you probably wouldn't make another rank anyway so you bailed. Sorry about your shoulder. At least you still have one.

Response by Cpl Andrew Tucker made Apr 24 at 2015 4:37 PM

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I'm not voting on this for a multitude of reasons.

1) There are definitely changes that need to be made to DeCA and AAFES, but more on that later.

2) to say that your seven months in country in the AF in ANY WAY compares to what us grunts did is, to quote my one of my favorite movies, "Inconceivable!" (Unless you were a TAC-P/PJ/CC, but due to your cowardly hiding, I doubt it.)

3) your premise is flawed. Here's why:

We all know that the system needs a reboot. That, in and of itself, is a known quantity. One of the ways I would like to see it changed is by what I think you wanted in the first place, but with a few revisions.

No, those of us who only served a handful of years do not currently rate to use the PX/BX/NEX and commissaries. Why? Because they are there for the SM's and their families and the retired. Now I am 90% VA rated. I live next to one of the largest (if not the largest--AF folks, let me know) Air Force installations in the country-Barksdale AFB. The Shreveport-Bossier metroplex boasts one of the highest veteran rates per capita per 100 miles anywhere in the country. The average rating around here 30-40%, if you excluded retirees and 100%. Those in the upper bracket (70-90%) are less than 15% of the rated veterans as a whole across the nation. Taking all this into consideration, my changes would be as thus: those already available to use the base facilities will continue with no interruptions. Those of us with the upper ratings, who are more than likely living off of completely or mostly their VA C&P will be allowed to use the BX/Commissaries twice a month. Those with the 30%-60% will only be allowed one day a month. If you are not considered a "specially disabled veteran", you do not get any base privileges. And this is all with the understanding that you live within a 100 mile radius of the base.

Now I know this will throw some people into a tizzy. Think about it this way. We hear all the time about AAFES and DeCA being out of money, we need more money, we can't stock properly, etc etc etc. If you allow these honorably served veterans these 3x a month to come onto base and allow them to use the shops, then (mind you, I haven't done the theoretical math) you will exponentially increase your revenue, if the program is run properly.

These are just my two cents. Feel free to debate.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2015 12:47 AM

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Does it really matter how long they were in. If they served honorably and fulfilled they're contract and have a DD214. They should have access to shop at any AAFES or PX. It's not like the PX or AAFES is out of things to sell.
So let him shop.

Response by SGT Scott Bailey made Apr 29 at 2015 12:22 PM

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What about the thousands of soldiers from Vietnam? Are they too served in combat. there are a lot of veterans that served in combat that don't have those privileges. On another note you can go to your nearest VA Hospital and go to their canteen service where they sell items like they do in the PX. You get to buy them at lower prices also. The privilege is still there you just go somewhere else to get it

Response by CPO Sor Ruiz-Valderrama made Apr 29 at 2015 12:30 PM

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I now a NAVY SEAL who got out at 19 years - He is entitled to NO benefits and I am sure has done a whole lot more than 7 months out of the wire...

Response by SCPO Lee Pradia made Apr 29 at 2015 12:32 PM

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Perhaps you should've retired, then you could have the privilege of continuing to shop in AAFES had you not made the decision to cut short your career.

Response by SFC Raymond Torres made Apr 29 at 2015 1:40 PM

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Just because you put in some years does not give you right as those who did the whole 20 yrs. Not to take away what you did but it sounds like you did your job.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 1:57 PM

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As far as I am concerned. If you served you have all rite to shop at the commissaries

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made Apr 29 at 2015 3:06 PM

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I think the issue being alluded to is that many service members are shown the door though no fault of their own. Primarily those who are discharged through reduction in force or medical. In these case I think some sort of AAFES benefit may be in order.

Response by SPC Larry Boutwell made Apr 29 at 2015 3:53 PM

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In csse my post didnt go......i pulled a 14mth tour my first go.......full combat load everyday.....leaving the wire sometimes...2_3 times a day...... And i only get 20percent........ Second tour wasnt as bad.....but.... W/e lol your silly....i cant think of any thing else to say ...im half crazy these days but at lest i got all my bits...and my pieces all still work

Response by SPC Larry Boutwell made Apr 29 at 2015 3:55 PM

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Wtf...it says civi....thought you had to at lest be a veteran or still serving to got on rally point...

Response by SPC Christian Ziegler made Apr 29 at 2015 5:17 PM

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Piss off clown the wire was unknown to us we found a building and sleep there. The wire. When they killed Uday and Kusay or what ever there names where it rained bullets in Bagdad like freaking rain drops. Now my friends don't get AAFES and we did a year in that shit hole and many went back and our kit did not come off hell we slept in it most of the time. So plz tell me again how you left the wire 10 times. Pissed off Scout's Out.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 9:20 PM

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You're serious?

Response by MSG Martin C. made Apr 29 at 2015 9:23 PM

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Sorry Bruh thank you for your service but I don't think you got a point here.
Regardless of how much you did or did not do AAFES is one of those perks you get while you are in or get retired.

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made Apr 29 at 2015 11:23 PM

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RHIP... Retirement Has Its Privliges

Response by CCMSgt Michael Sullivan Ph.D made Apr 30 at 2015 9:51 AM

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It's apples to oranges, that is like saying that I should get a retirement check for doing my 6 years. When you signed up you your told the benefits if you served 20year or mire and retired.

Response by SFC David Zamora made Apr 30 at 2015 11:07 AM

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5 years in the AF with 7 months in Iraq?! Wow... How'd you do it? Somebody get this guy a Silver Star w/ V device... C'mon now.... It's AAFES.... Go get your Affliction shirts at the mall like all the rest of the kids....

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2015 11:23 AM

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Ok first of all they do not deserve it more then retirees. I believe that the current policy should change though. I believe if you have served 4-6 yrs honorablly you should be entitled to us AAFES. Why you may ask?

a. AAFES is not used as much as they used to be so allowing these additional Vets to use would bring in more customers.

b. If you like this service and want you continue to have it they need those additional customers. The military has already consider cut some of these out.

c. What does it hurt letting them use it they gave there country time and did it honorablly so why reward them with this little incentive.

Response by CMSgt Thomas Duggan made Apr 30 at 2015 9:41 PM

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I certainly didn't stay in 30 years for AAFEES benefits. But I think all those that have served should be entitled to the benefit. I really don't have a problem with it.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Apr 30 at 2015 11:56 PM

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You're out of your mind. Are you sure your 30% is not for delusions of grandeur?

Response by SGT Kenneth Goode made May 1 at 2015 1:45 AM

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To tell the truth, I'm med retired with 19 active years, 27 all together. I didn't even get my retiree card. AIN'T NO WAY IN HECK AM I GOING AROUND ANY MILITARY POST......just keep on sending me my check and let me shop at wal mart.

Response by Maj Tagg Timm made May 1 at 2015 7:45 AM

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No, you should not get full access. When you signed up for the military, you knew you'd need to do 20 years in order to receive full access to the benefits authorized to military retirees. The simple fact is... you didn't serve 20 years, so you didn't earn the benefit of using AAFES facilities.
What you are asking for is nothing different than expecting a teacher to give you an "A" grade for only doing 1/2 of the work that the rest of the people receiving an "A" grade did.
I truly appreciate the time you served and thank you for your service, but rules are rules, and nobody should expect them to be changed after the fact. You received exactly what you earned and should stand proudly to be called a Vet.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2015 8:11 AM

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From where I sit, a smaller active duty force and their families can always us more MWR funds, which requires more spending on post at AAFES and MWR facilities. Why not open things up to all honorably discharged veterans who have a VA ID Card?

Response by PO1 Henry Sherrill made May 1 at 2015 8:57 AM

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Yes, to a point. I believe that if you are a disabled Veteran, or a combat veteran then by all means let them have access to the Exchanges of all military services. However, there should also be a cut off on the disability rating that would qualify for such visits.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 12:32 AM

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The argument that AAFES could use the money for MWR is a bit of a lie. MWR is generally staffed by folks who were in the military who don't understand how to actually run a business and bleed money through inefficient organization.

AAFES/MWR now gets unit funds!

Yes, AAFES/MWR now gets unit funds. The WOW program requires unit supplies to order through AAFES' catalog. The WOW orientation information openly talks about how when units use the system it contributes to their MWR donation.

Based on the fact that every unit's supply office should be transitioning to the WOW system, I don't think AAFES will need the money from retirees. I do think that MWR will manage to bleed whatever income they do have regardless of how much it is and nothing will change.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 12:54 AM

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Worst RP command post ever. Please really vote

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 12:55 AM

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Wow really?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2015 12:58 AM

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Dude are you trying to buy a Sony Walkman; join the reserves and serve and earn it buddy. By the way welcome to RP.

Response by SSG Skylur Britz made May 2 at 2015 1:12 AM

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No, just no.

Response by PO2 Skip Kirkwood made May 2 at 2015 7:47 PM

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There is no "deserve" or "don't deserve." There is only "entitled under current regulations" or not.

Kind of a silly question.

Response by MAJ Pete Joplin made May 6 at 2015 12:31 PM

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To be honest, I don't know why you care! I've been out 13 years, the Exchange at the local AFB is 10 miles away, and we never go out there! A better question is: why in the hell do we have AAFES anyway! Wal-Mart could and would do the same, better, and cheaper if we gave them the same requirement that they had to sell tax free.

Response by MSgt Jim Bain made May 6 at 2015 4:19 PM

2015-05-06T16:19:15-04:00

Totally agree with the SMSgt from McDill, FL, my Dad was a Chief Boatsonmate, 20 years, I have a total 22 years, Navy & Air Force, if Dad were still alive, this question would crack him up!
Active duty and those men and women who served for at least 20 years only, open the Exchange's to "anybody" that's served, and the place will look like Wal-Mart on a Saturday afternoon. Not that I don't give all the respect in the world to anybody that's put on a uniform, and served their country, God Bless them all, but you have to draw the line some where.
Besides, check out your local Wally world, you'll find the prices, about the same or even better, the Exchange just isn't what it used to be.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 4:31 PM

2015-05-06T16:31:06-04:00

7 months in Iraq, huh? Since I've been on active duty, I've spent more time than that cleaning my weapons.

I don't mean to degrade your service, but there's a HUGE difference in someone who served for 6 years, and someone spending 20-30 years of their life in the military, deploying to multiple theaters to counter all sorts of threats, having to uproot the family every 1-3 years, etc. In my almost 23 years of active service, I've spent more than 15 years serving away from my family. You miss being able to shop at the AAFES? I miss my FAMILY.

I don't deserve it MORE than you, I deserve it, PERIOD. You don't.

Lastly, have the guts to show yourself and not hide behind some anonymous posting. It takes courage to be in the military...perhaps that's the reason you got out in the first place.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made May 6 at 2015 5:26 PM

2015-05-06T17:26:43-04:00

No. A retiree with 20+ years of service should have access. If every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane that served a 3 year enlistment is granted access it will overwhelm the system and deprive true retirees from some products and services. This topic has been beat to death and just because a troop couldn't properly load and adjust the straps on his kit does NOT qualify because he left the wire 10 times. Retirees only. Enough Said.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made May 7 at 2015 7:51 AM

2015-05-07T07:51:22-04:00

Whomever wrote this is a troll. Let me turn this around for you so that maybe you can understand - Should you be able to shop at Costco, Sam's Club, or PriceSmart without paying their membership fee? The simple and finite answer to that is NO.

Response by SPC Donald Moore made May 7 at 2015 9:12 AM

2015-05-07T09:12:31-04:00

I would be alright with allowing all honorably discharged veterans to have access to the Exchange. But I do not see any equivalent between the original poster and a retired service member. It doesn't even come close.

Retirees would still get medical and Commissary benefits that normal veterans would not be eligible for.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2015 6:23 PM

2015-05-07T18:23:41-04:00

once a Soldier always a Soldier. So yes, you are a veteran! but seriously, why do you want to shop at AAFES? last place I would go to buy anything, lol...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2015 8:03 PM

2015-05-07T20:03:57-04:00

Take this as you will brother, but you volunteered for it. No one owes you anything, we earn what they give us. But, a lot of those retirees can't afford to shop elsewhere, because it's all they have. You did 6 years with a seven month deployment, some of those people did 25 plus with several years over seas. I personally spent twelve months in the Stan with over 158 missions outside the wire, but if I left now I wouldn't ask for something I didn't earn. I'm not entitled to it. And that's all it is.

Response by SSgt Tim Ricci made May 7 at 2015 8:04 PM

2015-05-07T20:04:11-04:00

22 years! I as well as every retiree earned it!

Response by SGT Larry Michael Bleckler II made May 7 at 2015 8:29 PM

2015-05-07T20:29:14-04:00

Yes retirees deserve it more.

Response by Sgt Jennifer Mohler made May 7 at 2015 9:02 PM

2015-05-07T21:02:28-04:00

I disagree with your premise whole-heartedly. This isn't a pissing contest. I do agree on completely seperate grounds about the issue of access. Even if it is limited to say so many times a year. Your presentation leaves much to be desired and your attitude needs a severe adjustment.

Response by SSG Michael O'Malley made May 7 at 2015 10:26 PM

2015-05-07T22:26:43-04:00

If you are 30% disabled as you say then you would have been a medical reteriee and been entitled to all the retirement benefits. I would know I am one.

Response by Sgt Lisa Stein made May 7 at 2015 10:40 PM

2015-05-07T22:40:37-04:00

Fortunately I get priveledges because I have a rating of 100%

Response by Sgt Chuck Stewart made May 7 at 2015 11:03 PM

2015-05-07T23:03:28-04:00

I spent 11 years active duty Marine. and had to get out due to the draw down and reaching service limitations at the same time, during the Clinton years. I loved being a Marine I believe that I should have these privileges the same as a retiree not that I deserve more but I believe my time was worth something. Can you imagine driving by something you love and put sweat in and all the sudden you can't be a part of it anymore. We don't get paid for retirement because we didn't do the time. I believe though if you spent time on active duty and we're discharged honorably you should get those on base privileges.

Response by CW5 Cliff Mead made May 7 at 2015 11:12 PM

2015-05-07T23:12:55-04:00

If you want the benefits, please stay and earn them. I see your 7 months in Taji and raise you to 43 months in Taji, 6 months in Turkey and Northern Iraq, 25 months in Bosnia, 4 months in Afghanistan, a short tour to central and south America. 28 years total.
Thank you for your service, we all truly appreciate your being part of the team but please don't ask for more than you've earned.

Response by Sgt Lisa Stein made May 7 at 2015 11:29 PM

2015-05-07T23:29:47-04:00

I whole heartedly agree that retirees deserve all the benefits they can get. They stayed in and served gave their all

Response by SSG Christopher Buck made May 8 at 2015 1:00 AM

2015-05-08T01:00:19-04:00

Well, and then the Anonymous Airman opened his/her mouth. AAFES isn't doing most veterans or SMs any favors on price. The Commisary is better, but I still would shop at Walmart, HEB, Target, etc. with a couple of small exceptions. I will say that I believe there should be an automatic retirement for some Veterans that gave up their quality of life, instead of their life entirely. I will admit I happen to be a bit biased on that issue since I'm 90% disabled. VA math does a number on those percentages though. I know a veteran that was diagnosed with Asthma and Diabetes in the Air Force who receives 40% disability compensation for his "injuries", but he still smokes two packs a day and goes through a 2 liter bottle of full-sugar Dr. Pepper. He is clearly malingering, but it's in the records so they pay him. However, I cannot function without narcotic pain medications multiple times daily as a result of shrapnel, multiple back injuries, nerve damage and removal of all the nerves In my right leg. 7 months combat time, in a tent with an air conditioner... I spent 7 months without taking a real shower or having food that wasn't an MRE in Iraq in 2003. And that wasn't at Taji. It was the invasion and initial combat actions in the theatre. Ordinarily, I would never compare my service time and actions against another veteran, but where does someone, anyone, get the right to belittle the retired grunts. Those under appreciated soldiers have destroyed their bodies, intentionally, to accomplish the mission. Even those lucky enough to never catch an IED or ROG gave up their backs, their knees, and their ability to sleep restfully at night. Some of those men and women have brown shirts with more combat time than the entire time you spent on Active Duty. Everyone has their own mission, their own duty, and their own hardships; however, if you want to compare scars sometime, I'm not bashful. I know that wearing full-battle-rattle can take its toll. I wore it everyday I served in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Iraq. That doesn't even include the real-world missions I served on. There is no such thing as an easy combat tour, for anyone, but I find it irreconcilably stupid for you to compare wearing gear for 7 months to a retiree tgat no longer has cartilage in their knees and can barely move their ankles from spending twenty years on jump status. If you thought wearing your gear was tough, try jumping in all of that plus everything you need to survive and accomplish your mission for up to two weeks. I didn't do twenty. I didn't have much choice though. I couldn't promote because of a permanent profile, and I couldn't come off the profile because of debilitating pain. If you are capable enough to be able to earn a living, and if you are intelligent enough, and have the ability, to complain, you are truly blessed. Some of our brothers and sisters lost their lives. Still others suffered TBI to the extent that they will never be able to tell their children that they love them, much less communicate well enough to gain employment. I accept my disabilities. I accept my limitations. I accept what benefits I am entitled to, but I do not demand benefits that I cannot have reasonably earned. I am sure that one day my disabilities will become severe enough to reach 100%, and it will since the conditions in my back are degenerative. One day I will be forced back into a scooter or wheelchair. On that day, I will request my retired ID card, and I'll probably grab a haircut in base while I'm there. Until that day, I will thank God, my personal one, that I have the wonderful career I have. I will thank him for an extremely supportive wife, and I will thank him for giving me my two amazing children. I could have lost all of those possibilities in my service, but I did not. That is a blessing. I will not be thanking him for my PX benefits. Of that, I am very sure. [steps off of soap box] Sorry for the rant. You are still my fellow brother/sister. I just hope you find what is truly important so that you may stop trying to make yourself feel better about your service. It is not a competition, and nobody likes to be belittled because of their service. The head cockroach killer serves just as important a roll in the military as the grunt out front, but they don't appreciate when people compare exposure to roach traps with being on-mission constantly under the threat of death and the guarantee of violence. However, if those bugs get in the grunts food he can't fight the enemy while he's busy fighting dysentery. We appreciate your service. It provided a needed mission and service. So let's not compare and contrast. Everyone suffers their own unique experiences. Let's allow them to be unique. Otherwise people, like myself, get their feelings hurt a bit.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2015 3:10 AM

2015-05-08T03:10:59-04:00

I think if you served in combat for this nation, the nation should offer you every opportunity to succeed. Including but not limited to:

1) priority over college graduates at the opportunity to learn hands on, new careers.

2) unlimited college funding supported by passing grades.

3) employers requiring experience should be required to give "full pay" OJT for veterans.

4) discounts at every business nationwide.

Including AAFES...

And much more...

We gave all to our nation... Can't they give all to us?

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 12:26 PM

2015-05-10T12:26:52-04:00

Maybe you should have joined the reserves. Then you could still shop at the BX.

Response by MSgt James Hunter made May 10 at 2015 1:12 PM

2015-05-10T13:12:13-04:00

things happens the way they happen you need to adjust

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 4:07 PM

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As long as they get their money, and the vets served honorably. Who the hell cares!

Meanwhile, they lose money over political bullshit like this.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 4:56 PM

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1. Did you really do 7 WHOLE months and only left the wire 10 times?
2. How can you compare 6 years with one 7 month deployment to 20+ years with at least a whole 12 month deployment.
3. Hope your shoulder is ok from having to ware that oh so heavy kit.
4. Check your calculator 6 years is much more than a little bit than 20.
5. I would invite you to come to a Jane Wayne day at a infantry unit. It's when the spouse get to experience what their Soldier does. Than maybe you would agree that a 20 "grunt" did much more in his 20 years than your 6 years with the 7 whole month deployment.
7.My answer to your question is NO.

Response by Maj Stephen Parsons, PhD made May 10 at 2015 5:11 PM

2015-05-10T17:11:50-04:00

Why is Rally Point allowing these type of posts/surveys? Submissions such as this are doing the exact opposite of what the site was created for, they are separating and isolating certain veteran populations not bringing us together. I think the Rally point staff should screen the submissions a little better in the future.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 8:05 AM

2015-05-14T08:05:55-04:00

Sorry. Nope. Were you medically retired? Doesn't sound like it.
While many of us can feel your pain, literally and figuratively...You don't rate. You have entered the civilian world willingly and without reservation.
AAFES is there to help offset the 'disparity' of income in the military vs the civilian workforce. Technically, it is subsidized by the government. You no longer qualify for that because you are able to go out and earn a good living*

If you want to keep shopping at AAFES, then join the reserves or get back in.

*the opportunity to earn a good living is a discussion for another time.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 9:18 AM

2015-05-20T09:18:43-04:00

Yes, retirees deserve to have access to AAFES. It's just that simple. It would be nice for all veterans to have access, but that doesn't make you entitled to it. This is just the way it is.

In regard to the rest of your cry baby post, stfu! No one cares what you or anyone else has done on deployment, it makes no difference what you think your service should entitle you to. It really has no bearing on the question you posed, but you included it and stayed anonymous so your friends wouldn't laugh at the absurdity of it all. Wearing your KIT shouldn't injure you, maybe you needed to invest more time in the gym to be able to wear it. I wore, and still wear, full kit...longer than you ever dreamed of and I'm not injured. Probably because I'm not a freaking baby and I make sure that I maintain my physical fitness. Get it together man, you are an Air Force stereotype.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 10:45 PM

2015-05-20T22:45:33-04:00

YOU DESERVE? You worked/served, you got paid. You knew the risks, and you could have gone on a civilian career, but you decided to serve (in the military). You came to your senses/ got tired/ find a better job, etc, and got out. Tell me, at what point you started to "deserve" the virtually unlimited support of the taxpayers? I am sure that if you "deserve" that, you will deserve a bunch of other things along the line, right?

Welfare mentality, that is all it is.

Response by Amn Kevin Dettman made May 20 at 2015 10:53 PM

2015-05-20T22:53:38-04:00

I personally believe any Honorably Discharged Veteran should still have access, it only helps everyone when AAFES makes money!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2015 8:25 AM

2015-05-21T08:25:08-04:00

You made the decision to get out -you lose that benefit of being able to shop at the Exchange and the Commissary.

Retirees EARNED the right to and privledge to be able to shop on base. Thank you for your time in a combat zone - you definetly earned the bragging rights but to say you did more than most retirees is very ignorant on your part.

If you want the ability to shop AAFES or the Commissary then please come back into the military in some capacity. If you choose not to then accept that you must shop at Walmart, Target, Kroger, Fooddog, etc.

Response by SGT David T. made May 21 at 2015 9:05 AM

2015-05-21T09:05:36-04:00

First, I think that vets and government civilian employees of the Defense Department should be allowed access to the exchanges and commissaries but for different reasons and not out of a sense of entitlement. A portion of the exchange profits goes into MWR programs and having a larger customer base would increase this which helps our military. The surcharge at the commissaries goes to build new commissaries. All of this benefits the military community. Again this isn't based on any sense of entitlement as I probably wouldn't shop at either due to the inconvenience of getting there. I would waste more in gas than I would save but I am all for building or expanding commissaries and increasing the MWR options available to the military community.

Response by SFC William Farrell made May 27 at 2015 2:11 PM

2015-05-27T14:11:11-04:00

I think he's kidding us all!

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2015 8:08 PM

2015-05-27T20:08:32-04:00

My personal opinion is if your still on DOD payroll and get 10% or more you should full access.

Response by SPC Chad Kolod made May 27 at 2015 8:27 PM

2015-05-27T20:27:20-04:00

This is a very insulting post, I keep seeing it pop up and I feel like it needs to go away. Some people are so entitled. I don't have anything against the person who brought this up, but on the same front we need to have respect for what people have done and lost for this country and to say you did more when you truly have no idea is very ignorant. Please go easy on the down votes....

Response by SGT Kevin Brown made May 28 at 2015 12:10 AM

2015-05-28T00:10:44-04:00

I understand your frustration, however I would have to say no, the policy is good as is. I don't think AAFES could handle the logistical nightmare of trying to meet the needs of nearly 40 million veterans having access to their stores.

With that said, in many VAMC's across the country there are Veterans Canteen Service stores (VCS), with an eCommerce site coming soon. This is open to all veterans with a valid veteran identification card and they provide almost all of the same benefits as AAFES (including tax free products). The only thing you won't find at your local VCS that was usually cheaper at AAFES is cigarettes and liquor.

http://www.vacanteen.va.gov/

Veterans Canteen Service - Internet

#1 Jefferson Barracks Rd Bldg 25 St. Louis, MO 63125 Phone: 314-845-1200 7:30am – 4:30pm CST Get Directions

Response by COL D Zimmer made May 28 at 2015 12:34 AM

2015-05-28T00:34:12-04:00

Do non-retirees deserve AAFES as much as retirees. Simple answer - NO.

But don't worry, you're really not missing much.

Response by SN Earl Robinson made May 28 at 2015 9:00 AM

2015-05-28T09:00:08-04:00

Here is what I'll say on this issue. Not only to non retirees deserve the use of AAFES but it makes good financial sense to AAFES that non retirees be able to use AAFES. Economies of scale are better realized when more product is moved through a store thus AAFES gets better pricing from product manufacturers because they sell more. Right now you can get better pricing going to Bestbuy when you purchase electronics than AAFES.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2015 9:05 AM

2015-05-28T09:05:17-04:00

Sorry, but if you want to enjoy the benefits of military service (Active Duty, Reserve/Guard, and Retiree) you should have kept serving. Once you decided to no longer serve you forfeit the benefits of that service.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2015 9:25 AM

2015-05-28T09:25:36-04:00

So, I commented without reading your post all of the way through.

Here goes...

First off, I think you are trying to troll RP and the service memebers, retirees, and veterans on here. Your self entitled attitude says it all. You did one 7 month deployement to Iraq and left the wire a bunch of times? Really? Good for you. I watched the same MP's, Grunts, and Engineers leave the wire daily while I was there. They were there when I got there and stayed long after I left. You did not do anything near as hard as any of them. I do not care what your AFSC was nor what detail(s) you were on.

Something else, "a bit longer" shows me you have no true idea or comprehension of time.

You completed 5 years in the Air Force. That is almost as hard as completing 3 years as a Girl Scout. How does that make you feel?

Try seeing something bigger than yourself for a change.

Here's the scoop, Snoop. You left service after 5 years. That means you also left the privilages you had for said service.

What do you mean by, "Wearing my kit?" I never heard of that before. In the AF we call that really heavy vest an "Individual Body Armor" (IBA). If you wore something heavy on your head it was most likely a Kevlar Helmet... or K-Pot.

Feel free to message me if you want to discuss this further.

Have a great day.

Response by SFC Aaron Lewis made May 28 at 2015 9:31 AM

2015-05-28T09:31:07-04:00

This is rediculous. We're not talking about walmart here. AAFES is an entitlement to service members and retirees. If you feel like your 7 months of combat entitle you to special previlages then maybe you should open your own store. You can allow access to whomever you wish. There are many prior military that would love to shop at your store. The disciplinary chapters have combat experience also. Let not forget about them drug users that fought in the invasion. Or the many other rabble that also have combat experience. Face it, if you don't retire then you lose certain benefits, combat experience does not justify all desires.

Response by SFC Norman G. Mayers made May 28 at 2015 5:12 PM

2015-05-28T17:12:32-04:00

I hear you; but, how can you compare 5 years of service with an early discharge due to injuries sustained; with others who have served more than 20 years, sustained greater injuries and are over 30% disable. Does 10% discount and no-tax really that cheap to you. I did a 1-year tour in Iraq and conducted over 250 patrols, and recently retired with 22 years of active service with possibly over 50% disability. I'm sure you believe your service entitles you to it; but, changing the policy to save you a few dollars is not justified.

Response by Sgt Israel Zinns made May 29 at 2015 11:53 PM

2015-05-29T23:53:49-04:00

Hahahahah. "A little more time." First, I don't think their discounts were very good. Second, I served 5 years in the Marine Corps, and spent 6 months in the Philippines and 6 months in Afghanistan and don't feel the slightest bit of entitlement that you do. Third, retirees generally retire near a base with these amenities, and I'm fairly certain there isn't anything too close to Sioux Falls, SD. I'm good with all the discounts that other retailers proudly give ( and that's likely why us short-timers don't need AAFES.).

Response by PO1 Gary Michalosky made May 30 at 2015 1:58 PM

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Veterans have a similarly run online shopping service called "Veterans Canteen Service" (VCS) and have some small outlet stores at each of the VA Medical Centers in the U.S. It's a relatively new concept over the past couple years and has been expanding.

http://www.vacanteen.va.gov/RetailOperations.php

As well, Some of the Army MWR resorts have been opening up certain times of the year to all Honorably discharged Veterans. http://www.shadesofgreen.org/Veterans_Special15.pdf

In the bigger picture, Any Veteran below the 100% level has expanded services more than ever before, yet there needs to be some availability for active duty and their families for the many MWR operations, to include Base exchange and Commissaries and are priority in this, with Retirees and 100% Disabled Vets and their families taking the back seat on availability of services.

I can as a retiree argue that I should be entitled to things like DFAC services on base. After all, many active duty service members don't actually use them. Yet, many base DFACs don't allow retirees access to them and I'm cool with that, just like many Veterans who are not Medically (30% or more DoD) Retired, 100% Disabled with the VA and such are cool with the fact that they are not entitled to continued access to Military bases, that includes Exchange and Commissary privileges, as it goes to this being a benefit for those who have decided to stay on and make a career out of it, up and through retirement after 20+ years. Many who stuck around willing to commit to mulitple deployments and are still subject to recall to active duty for life, even after "retirement". Whereas a discharged Veteran is not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 6:53 PM

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What about two-year enlistment guys? Them too? Or the medical drops from BCT before completion? Them too? Nah, retirement=benefits. Holding what we have for those qualified for them is hard enough.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 4 at 2015 12:40 PM

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I think people who are on disability should also get access, I think it would make it more fair. The reason I say this is because unlike people who voluntarily leave the service, people who get disability might of stayed 21 years if they had not gotten injured which was probably not their fault. I was put out for disability because the surgery on my injury that the military took half a year to believe I had was botched, that was not my fault.

People who voluntarily separate, no they shouldn't they choose on there own to leave.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2015 5:11 PM

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I believe that AAFES and the Exchanges ,should be available to Active Service Members, retirees, and veterans.

They need all the support they can get from us. Perhaps the prices could eventually become more reasonable, and competitive with civilian markets!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2015 10:55 PM

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Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Jun 4 at 2015 10:56 PM

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There is discussion for vets to also be able to use aafes.com

I think that is great. The more business put through AAFES, the better their buying power.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2015 11:48 PM

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I really hope this post is a joke. You're justification of why you feel you "deserve" access to the exchange is about as disgusting as a dependent saying they deserves a salute due to the rank of their spouse. "Ten days outside the wire"... That's cute, what did you do for the other 200 days of your deployment?

Response by Cpl Paul Smith made Jun 5 at 2015 11:32 AM

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I have thought the same thing. Who is really losing here? The PX or PBX is. Each year thousands don't reenlist. The reasons range from injuries, reduction in force, not wanting to deploy again and family issues. During the World Wars, most veterans served 3 or 4 years and were done. My grandfather was in the Navy during WWII and served 8 years and was considered the "old man" on ship.
Why don't we rate to continue to provide espirit DE corps and financial support to the base stores?

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Jun 14 at 2015 11:35 PM

2015-06-14T23:35:56-04:00

This thread is still one of the craziest things I have ever read.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2015 11:46 PM

2015-06-14T23:46:37-04:00

Sure, why not? As long as they got out under honorable conditions. If allowing these potential customers into PX/BX locations means AAFES doesn't have to raise prices or charge taxes or whatever, sure.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jun 15 at 2015 11:44 AM

2015-06-15T11:44:08-04:00

I am still amazed by the fact that 26% said yes they do......

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jun 16 at 2015 9:08 AM

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I'm not going to vote down your comment, but, no, you don't "deserve" more than you contracted for. I'm sorry for your disability and I honor your service, but you did not do as much as retirees, who put themselves on a potential deployment list continuously for at least 20 years, whether they actually got deployed or not.

Of course, I think the exchanges kind of suck, at least compared to 20 years ago, so I'd be wondering why anyone would want to make a big deal of this. You are exempt from buying Medical insurance under Obamacare, because of your 30%, while many of our brothers and sisters still get screwed, whether they deployed or not. Retired reservists do not qualify for government-supplied medical care until they turn 60, which for many can be 22 years for someone who went in at age 18. Then, it goes over to Medicare at age 65, so not much is gained.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jun 19 at 2015 12:00 PM

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I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that AAFES is run on a "for profit" basis.

With that said, I would think that it would be a smart business practice to allow anyone who has "on base" privileges to shop there. After all, most stores spend millions a year on advertising trying to get people in the door.

That said, the question could be phrased better... it sounds very Entitlement Mentality.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Jun 19 at 2015 5:00 PM

2015-06-19T17:00:11-04:00

These days, the Exchange system is not really a benefit. Prices are higher than out in town, selection of merchandise is worse, and the technology is usually out of date. I haven't shopped regularly at Exchanges for almost 20 years...

The only place they (and Commissaries) really make a difference is OUTUS (including HI and AK) where prices are so much higher...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2015 5:05 PM

2015-06-19T17:05:34-04:00

If you served you deserve to use the P/X.

Response by SrA David White made Jun 19 at 2015 8:31 PM

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First of all, your unwillingness to step up like a man and openly express your opinion and not hide behind a curtain just proves the point, you're a civilian because just like your "opinion" you couldn't hack it. So what if you did 7 months in Iraq? So what if you got hurt and quit because you couldn't hack it anymore? How dare you insinuate that you did anything remotely close to what a retiree did over the course of a 20 year, or longer, time in the service; any branch of the service. There are plenty of service members that are still on active duty as well as retired from the service that did many times your one little 7 month rotation.
There are service members on active duty that are missing limbs and other parts of their bodies, but they still continue to serve; what's your excuse?
You made the choice and got out of the service and now, just like the rest of the millennial generation, you think you have some sense of "entitlement" and that just because you served one rotation in Iraq that you deserve what a retiree EARNS over the course of a career. I say quit your whining and belly aching, if you want to shop at AAFES, then man up, re-up and finish out your time. Otherwise quit your whining and shop at Wal-Mart if you're looking for discounts.

Response by MAJ Danny Clark made Jun 20 at 2015 10:18 AM

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None of us, active, veteran, or retired are entitled to anything. We are all given a lot of benefits for our service, but no we are not entitled to anything. So please put your big boy pants/big girl panties on and deal with it.

Response by MSgt C Madd made Jun 24 at 2015 6:17 AM

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Sorry Charlie, 20yrs or or military related disability over the correct %. Those are the rules. This everybody is entitled attitude and days of participation trophys is disgusting. You do not rate that benefit.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 6:29 PM

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I think it should be open to purple heart recipients...but that's just me.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 10:51 PM

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Was this question really "asked"?

Response by MSgt David Haupt made Jun 26 at 2015 8:51 AM

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I don't understand why you would want to shop at the BX/PX. Ok I live in DE so it is tax free shopping and the BX at Dover is awful so it does not matter where you shop. Some prices are better off base then on base. Even AAFES gas is about the same and sometimes higher. So you served good on you. The benefit is for RETIRED FOLKS. Get over it!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 3:54 PM

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Vets, retirees, and service members should equally have access. None are better or more deserving!

As a matter of fact. AAFES, and the other stored need all the help they can to keep from going under!

Make the stores more competitive with civilian markets. Just don't make them like Walmart, where they destroy family businesses.

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Jun 26 at 2015 8:56 PM

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Sorry, but I can not give you this one. Although I appreciate your service, I think you know (and knew before) that there are regulations for the use of AAFES facilities. If those facilities meant that much to you you could have stayed with the Military until you were eligible for retirement. But you didn't, where many others did.

If you don't retire from a company you don't get retirement pay, you don't get your benefits that you would have gotten if you had had stayed at that company. The Military is the same.

Now, as a "grunt" and a 100% disabled Veteran......Obviously you didn't do as much as anyone who spent more time in the military than you did. Your comments are a slap in the face of the retirees and all those who did what they had to do for 15, 20 or more years. They didn't do it for the AAFES privileges, they did it to serve their country. Now, there are many who can barely walk into the Exchange due to injuries sustained due to a lifetime on Active Duty. Do you really think that you deserve the serve privileges because of a 30% disability from wearing your kit for a few months?

I think you should re-think your priorities.

Response by SSG Thomas Hosfelt made Jun 30 at 2015 12:36 PM

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Wow a whole 10 times outside the wire in a seven month tour. Are you fucking kidding me

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Jul 6 at 2015 10:27 AM

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Coming to this one a little late here and sort of glad I am. Sadly, this could have been a great discussion if it was worded differently. They way the author presented his/her argument is was lead to such a negative outpouring from the community. I served 8.5 years, completed several deployments, left the wire countless times but you don't see me saying I "deserve" anything. What I deserve is the ability to live my life, to use my knowledge and skills to help others and to have time with my two awesome kids; that is what I deserve.

Now the flip side of the coin. Recently I was talking with some Veterans in the area. Some retired, some honorably discharged. The discussion started by talking about how we can draw more talented Veterans to the area to fill this upcoming employment gap of 106,000 jobs that will be left open over the next few months/years as the baby boomers retire. As part of the discussion it was mentioned that AAFES just spent a lot of money to build a beautiful new commissary out by the Pittsburgh airport. Yet the overall military population here in the area is very small. We do have roughly 220,000 Veterans that call the area home though. So basically a very small percentage of the military presence in the area can use this great new facility. If they were to open it to Veterans along with retirees, it could be a great tool to draw talented, skilled, hard working Veterans to the region.

So do non-retirees deserve it? No but it could help a region draw in more Veterans that are looking for meaning employment if it is opened to us.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 10:28 AM

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You sound ridiculous. Wearing your kit a lot, haha. I know people that do less than 6 and have many more reasons for entitlement than this. You're out of the military, so why go back to any of their facilities? Just go on living life. I'm sure Amazon Prime will satisfy your needs, brother.

Response by SSG Eric Trace made Jul 6 at 2015 12:42 PM

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Hate to be the bringer of bad news just because you think you did your TIME does not me you did. Regulation governing the use of Px/Commisaries states clearly retired/ medically retired/ or on active duty. The age of I feel entitled to something has not hit the military YET so till then follow the regs to get what YOU EARNED. Moral of this story is No Freebies Here!

Response by SrA Christopher Thomas made Jul 18 at 2015 9:18 AM

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This is a question that I always see causes division and opinions.

I think anyone that served should get the benefit. Why divide us up among our brothers and sisters?

I hear all the time "I lost a leg, served for 15 and someone that served for 5 years should get AAFES benefits? Absurd!"

What is absurd is people that served honorably, who gave, who risked their lives also, who went through hardships, being divided and treated like a civilian by their peers. That is what bothers me.

Response by SPC Nathan Acreman made Jul 23 at 2015 3:48 PM

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I did 10 years in the army and a year in Afghanistan. I would never go so far as to say as I deserve any of the benefits of someone who retired after 20 or those who were medically retired. This is absurd.

When you are in the military you get certain benefits to go with it, aafes is one of them. Now that we are out we don't get those benefits anymore. It's not unfair it is life.

I didn't serve to be entitled and now that I am out I am not entitled. If you want those benefits go back in knock out the other 15 years and earn it. If you don't feel you are able to, then you can't really compare to those who did their 20.

Response by MSgt Erik Copp made Jul 23 at 2015 5:02 PM

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Absolutely. That right was earned.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Jul 23 at 2015 7:14 PM

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That is some whinny butt hurt BS.
I spent almost my entire time in service on line in combat and wouldn't dream of saying that. After 20+ years in govt. service I had a line for whinny newbies, "I have more time standing in front of the pissior than you have in service, STFU!" Where would you draw that ridiculess entitlement line at?

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jul 23 at 2015 8:29 PM

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No, you didn't put in enough time to qualify. Neither did I but I am not complaining.

Response by Sgt Ken Prescott made Jul 23 at 2015 10:16 PM

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Remember that "retirement pay" isn't a pension; it's a retainer against possible future service.

And I know some high-speed low-drag AFSOC types who had more time on the MC-130 Combat Talon's Porta-John with people shooting at them than you did at FOB Taji.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2015 2:25 PM

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Yes, but not you.

Response by SSG Ray Strenkowski made Aug 18 at 2015 2:31 PM

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I don't agree, Of course they do - but not for the reasons you may think.

I served 10 years Active duty. I don't miss the benefit and if it's something retirees cherish, great... They deserve it. I think the least we can give 20+ year warriors are some discounts.

Here's why I am _aggressively_ anti-AAFES:

1. They prey off soldiers, especially lower enlisted.
I cannot count the number of times I was faced with lower enlisted soldiers, who were basically issued an AAFES Card and ran into financial difficulty.

**AAFES does not issue credit cards in the same manner as most financial institutions. If your in the service, you'll get a card. There is one reason for this: They don't have to abide by the Fair Credit Reporting Act. They also don't have to abide by credit collections laws. AAFES has a direct line to DFAS and can generate a no pay due on a whim. No matter your marital status, or if you have dependents. If you have a dispute - you will lose. There is no contesting, no warning, even if they are wrong. It will take a very long time (after the fact) to get your money back if they took it in error. In the mean time, soldiers will be begging and taking loans from AER just to feed their families and/or themselves (See item 4). Even when money is owed, there is no payment structure. AAFES will take all of the service members pay until it is re-payed.**

2. AAFES as an organization is a club of retired Officers (No offense intended) which does not have the best interest of soldiers at heart.

3. There are better options for discounts (CONUS) than fueling this government sponsored 'company'. One of which is contracting out with companies such as Wal-Mart, Costco, BJs, Sams Club, Target, Grocery Chains etc, and subsidizing a tax-exempt discount card for Active Duty and Retirees. This would eliminate the incredibly costly overhead bore by this Non-Appropriated Fund (NAF). Cost savings would be astronomical. Currently the prices aren't that much better anyway. Discounts could be greatly expanded by contracting this function. This solution would also make the benefit available to retirees and service members who are not local to a military installation.
Caveat for OCONUS and remote locations where some of these private businesses are not available. AAFES should still be offered at these locations.

4. AER isn't really relief (In many cases). The Army presents this as such a great institution, but I've often seen soldiers (my soldiers) who really needed it get saddled with loan repayments which are impossible to meet. Soldiers who genuinely should have qualified for a grant ... denied. ...18+/- years of asset reserves and $350M in AER coffers and you can't give a hardship grant to a struggling E-3?

--Additional miscellaneous gripe: At the Commissary, Most of the customers are active duty soldiers who don't need someone to carry bags to the car. They also make these baggers beg for tips. What company would get away with that any where else? Pay them and provide the service to retirees or medically retired personnel who actually need the assistance.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2015 3:14 PM

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Good choice remaining annonymous. You should be careful when you say " I put in my time as much as anyone". When you leave ANY employer, you lose benefits. One benefit to staying in would be the AAFES access. It is the right and benefit of those who serve and those who qualify. Now, I have more than 26 years in and I don't deserve to shop there any more than the E3 or 1LT while a member of their branch. Nor do I diminish the service of those who stuck it out for 20 or more years to earn the right to shop there. It was they who paved the way for this country. Well deserved I say. However, we all make choices that have consequences. Some beyond our control. But when we make them we must understand that it goes with the territory.
No, you do not have the RIGHT any longer. Not to the AAFES, Commisary, GI Bill, Tuition Assistance and a host of other things.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2015 2:55 PM

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Terrible job trying to make your point here, but in the interest of discussion, what would be the argument to keep SM's who retired with an Honorable discharge from having access to these things? I know people will say that it is only for retirees but lets all be honest for a second, when someone decides to do the 20 the PX/BX/Comm are much lower on the list than Health insurance and pay. Plus AAFES and DECA are still running businesses and they need customers. What would be wrong with this option?

Response by SrA Rigo Contreras made Aug 20 at 2015 6:44 PM

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From a business perspective I think its a good idea to have more potential customers. For me it doesn't matter I didn't use AAFES that much anyways when I was active duty. Now that I'm a contractor I go inside a few times a year, and don't find anything worthwhile for me that I couldn't find a better deal online. I wouldn't have an issue if it was opened up to any veteran with a service connected disability.

Response by CPL Roland Newton made Aug 21 at 2015 12:13 AM

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As long as it was Honorable discharged and you have a VA ID I think you should be able to AFFES....your still a soldier in my book. but I'm told my opinion doesn't matter much.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Aug 22 at 2015 10:18 PM

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I would have to say that, based on your story, yes. I did not vote as I do not feel that all non retirees deserve this privilege. I believe that if you were medically or administratively (depending on why) separated or retired, then, on a case by case basis, since there are no guidelines for this, privileges should/could be granted. For those who do a tour or two and get out for "something better", and they don't fit the "reasons", then no. This privilege should not be extended to them as it really is clear that it is a benefit for those who actually retire. I voted "Yes" in your survey, only because my answer, as described above, was not a selection.

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Aug 22 at 2015 10:59 PM

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Actually, most stores in my area offer Vets a 10% percent discount. All you have to do is say I am a Vet. I, myself, have worked many years in retail Management after leaving the Corps. I suggest if you truly want to save money, then do research on wholesale merchandise suppliers. A lot of them do not require you buy in bulk and you can save up to 70% or more off retail price. Even the ones who require a minimuim bulk purchase can save you if you couple your order with other family members who use the same products. Yes, you have to spend the time doing the research to locate true wholesalers but if you want to truly save money it is worth it. For example the knife Pic I am posting. This knife has a retail value of $24.99 but by purchasing them through a wholesaler ( I had to buy a case which had 12 knives in it) I paid only $3.75 per knife. AAFES is no better to me than a Walmarts, Kmarts etc. Now I was always told that the Air Force attracted the most intelligent people than any other department, if a Jarhead like me can figure this out and use my intelligence to not only save but actually resale items to friends and family, thereby saving them money and actually turning a profit for myself, surely you can quit whining and use the brain God gave you also.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2015 11:50 PM

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What were the regs when you went in? You probably knew up front what was going to happen when you got out. Don't cry about it now and don't tell me you did as much as any retiree: 1. did you spend 3 years in the South Pacific, before you saw your family? 2. Did you spend 2 3years in Korea before you were able to come home and see your family? 3. Did you spend a year in Vietnam, before you came home and not see you eldest son off to Vietnam? did you spend 28 years in the Military. My father did all of the above, so don't go belly-aching about 5 years and a 7 month deployment. Get a life and quit whinning, grow up for crying out loud. You signed on the dotted line and knew what benefits you were going to get, 30% for carrying a ruck...get over it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 7:32 AM

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Nope, Most retirees have done much more to deserve that access and privelage.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Aug 23 at 2015 9:36 AM

2015-08-23T09:36:04-04:00

I think there could be room for discussion on disabled veterans being granted access who are disabled 30% or more. I believe currently, 100% disabled veterans have access without regard to retired status. Some of the other statements made have been appropriately addressed by other members.

Response by SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz made Aug 23 at 2015 7:55 PM

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I think is one of the benefits from retiring from the military. Just common sense.

Response by SSG Todd Lysfjord made Aug 25 at 2015 10:57 AM

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If you can count how many times you "left the wire"...you didn't leave it enough. AAFES regs should not change for this war just like it didn't for any of the previous conflicts.

Being a veteran of this war I find many of my "peers" seem to have a misplaced sense of entitlement. We are not special in any way...do your 20 or get service connected enough to warrant the use of AAFES facilities.

Response by SSG David Dickson made Aug 29 at 2015 5:03 PM

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There's plenty of opinions as to who is and should be entitled to the spectrum of benefits enjoyed by Servicemembers,retirees, and (combat) veterans. Bottom line, "fair" is not in the calculus. It's a business decision and they are incentives just like the ones offered at reenlistment time. One of the incentives for staying in until retirement is PX and Commissary privileges. It's their toys (incentives) they have the prerogative to decide who and when gets to play with them.

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Sep 1 at 2015 9:57 PM

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Response by SPC Bill Earley made Sep 1 at 2015 10:07 PM

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I would like to agree but rules are rules.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Sep 7 at 2015 7:24 PM

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I didnt ask for my separation and wanted to stay in. I had to accept that I would never be able to walk normal again and live with pain (going on 24 years now).It took me 19 years to finally get disability, docs all say they are surprised I can even walk with my injuries, I have had my Retired Id now since 2010 and have yet to go on any base to shop. I will have to say No to your Question.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2015 2:30 PM

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Is this real life???

Response by 1SG Jonathan Noonan made Sep 10 at 2015 2:13 PM

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The only way this would work for all that served but didn't retire or reach 100% is to issue all a VA card and that would have to be shown like an active or retirement ID.
But I would think this would benifits everyone because of all the extra people who would be buying from AAFES.

Response by SGT Robert Hawks made Sep 20 at 2015 8:37 PM

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I believe if you are service connected disabled veteran you should be given PX and Commissary privileges just my opinion

Response by SSG David McPherson made Oct 7 at 2015 7:38 AM

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Yes, we sacrificed a lot more than some who has done less than 20 or more years.

Response by SPC James Mast made Oct 7 at 2015 11:54 AM

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The only reason I would say yes is to put more money into the AAFES system. But I've lived the past 20 years not being allowed into either a bx or px that it's no longer on my radar.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Oct 7 at 2015 12:32 PM

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I believe that anyone who was honorably discharged should have access to the base exchange commissary, and gas station. This would help the struggling exchanges and commissaries around the country.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Oct 7 at 2015 12:35 PM

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Give me a break. You did 5 years. You really need to get over yourself. Thanks for your service but I spent 22 years in so that I would get to keep benefits like that. That's why retirees get benefits. You did 5 years, I did my entire young adult life. As much work -HA! I spent nearly as much time deployed as you spent on active duty.

Response by SSG Keith Brevard made Oct 8 at 2015 7:54 PM

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If you take a good look at the consumer reports, you would see that AAFES is not much of a store for savings. Everything that AAFES has to offer can be found elsewhere for a cheaper price.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2015 8:52 PM

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It's not at all cheaper , only no tax seriously shop around

Response by PO1 Kenneth Cardwell made Oct 15 at 2015 1:44 PM

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Yes, but 2 days a week for non-retiree would be good support for them!

Response by MAJ Matthew Aiken made Oct 15 at 2015 9:06 PM

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I voted no but want to qualify my answer. Frankly speaking, your comparison of your time compared to retirees is a bit off-putting especially when you refer to retiree's time as "a little more than yours." The "No" vote came because it felt as if you were denegrating the full service of retirees. Nonetheless, I feel veterans should have access period as long as they served honorably throughout their time in service. I just think you would have made a better case by stating your honorable service, mention your war time service in a combat zone, and the completion of whatever contractural committment you signed up for. Attempting to make your point by comparing your 7 months to "grunts" that more than likely have done more than 27 months in theater is a sure fire way to lose your argument because they stopped listening a long time ago.

Response by Col Rebecca Lorraine made Oct 15 at 2015 10:18 PM

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There are benefits for career soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors. You have some VA access for your disability and also the post 9-11 GI Bill. I think you served honorably and made a decision to get out. You can't really expect the system(DoD) to continue for life those benefits you previously enjoyed. Military life comes with support, AFEES, billeting, travel, childcare, education, and deployments. They do provide a great way of life if you can live with the separations and risks to life and limb, but you don't get the benifits when you are no longer serving. That makes financial sense to me. Sorry you feel entitled to those things, but it is a tough part of transition to civilian status.

Response by PO1 Cleve Ikaika Waiwaiole made Oct 22 at 2015 1:38 PM

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Honestly, I don't even think this is something that people should go head over heels over. Yeah you save a couple dollars for food and other goods.

I would like to agree that it should be left available to anyone that has done time in the service. We all contribute to the mission right? We all pay our taxes to run the facilities? And since its for military personnel and their families, maybe a rule to where you had to do a minimum of 4-6 years as active duty w/ honorable discharge or something? Ive deployed 4 times (2 to red-zones) and been on 2 overseas detachments. If thats not enough for aafes then i mean... what is?

Just for a heads up, I could care less who gets what when it comes to something as minuscule as this, just trying to think outside the box and look at the big picture here.

Im not in any shape or form comparing non retirees to people that have done 20+ years.

note: I think the guy that wrote this post kinda worded it wrong, if his statement was re-worded I think that the responses to this poll would have been much different.

Response by MSG Tim Gray made Oct 22 at 2015 2:39 PM

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I voted no, but that is because it is policy. I do support a change in policy that would allow you to receive those benefits based on the fact that you served and sacrificed. There are always two sides to every issue, and I don't know what negative impacts that would have on opening it up to soldiers with FWTS.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2015 4:17 PM

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they are kicking people out who want to stay in and do there time in service.

Response by SPC Negel Mohammed made Oct 22 at 2015 7:11 PM

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I know most would say no. But if you all think about the business side ,If a AAFES is not able to sustain itself with a reduced military would the DOD keep it open ? with that in mind I think veterans should have access.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Oct 29 at 2015 1:17 PM

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Wow, you did a whole 5-6 years and that is as much as a 20+ year veteran. I respect and admire the fact that you did serve and did deploy to a combat zone. Now let me help you understand some things about retirees, since I am one.
1) Serving 6 years is not the same as 20+ in any branch of the service. Those 20+ years do take a toll on ones body and most leave the service worse medically than when they entered.
2) Being in the Air Force is not the same as a Grunt. I seriously doubt you know how a 25 mile ruck feels with 75+ lbs on your back plus all your gear. Going outside the wire 10+ times is not the same as going out everyday in full battle rattle ( full ruck and gear). Then to claim that your kit caused your shoulder to hurt. I have personally torn one of my shoulders twice, while deployed, and had to have it operated on twice once I returned to the states. The other should needs to get operated on, but I can deal with the pain and discomfort for now.
3) Deploying on a 7 month tour is not the same as deploying 12+ months at a time, multiple times. I can remember my first deployment to Afghanistan and seeing the same AF guys on their two separate deployments before finishing my first. I know guys that have more deployments than you do years of service and you say you deserve the same benefits as them, even though they did 20+years. I know when I was in our deployments in the Army were 12 month minimum and could get extended, and did, with little to no notice because mission dictated it.
4) If you wanted some of the same benefits as a 20+ year Vet, you should have done the time.

Response by MSgt Scott Hoppe made Nov 10 at 2015 8:11 AM

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I did 25 years and multiple in Iraq, leave the military, leave the benefits. Sorry

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2015 9:36 AM

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I say No, but not for any personal reason. It's simple math. The AAFES can only support a certain amount of customers while maintaining the current price range.

Response by SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr made Nov 11 at 2015 10:32 AM

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I'm a Marine that didn't retire and the son of an Army SFC, who did retire. The original concept of retirement was a reward for those suffering through 20 years. I don't feel the policy should require changing simply due to the younger generation feeling "owed".

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Nov 11 at 2015 4:30 PM

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If you got out of your own free will and could have continued? No.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2015 2:15 AM

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You should not complain. I'm sorry you got injured by wearing the gear needed to protect you. While 10 times out side the wire may be a big deal for you, others of us did that in less than a month. Those rules are there so businesses like AAFES don't go out of business supporting troops. It's not just troops here in the states, they provide " the little things " that make deployment bearable. If you were man or woman enough to serve then you should voice this complaint using your name not hide. I hope you figured out your situation. Before you gripe any more go talk to a Vietnam vet, Join an American legion and do some community service. Seems like you could usea bit of reality.

Response by CPL Chris Shafer made Nov 17 at 2015 10:52 AM

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Unless you was the retired one.dont be a POG bitch.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Dec 1 at 2015 4:30 PM

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As much as I appreciate your service, any time is better than most of the people in the United states, but the rules are what they are and there for a reason. The BX/PX or Commissary is a privilege, not a right. An earned privilege after a lifelong commitment to the military...although it is not why we serve but it is nice. I do find it a little insulting that you compare your one deployment to those who have had a career of deploying and maybe were injured. One deployment does not a career Airman make. Yes you are a veteran in the sense you served and honorably I assume. The retirees or 100% disabled veterans etc have earned that privilege as they have given their entire adult life to the cause. If we allowed every privilege for those who just served an initial enlistment, there wouldn't be any "bennies" for those who stayed the course. I encourage you to read the Army reg for AAFES operations at http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/r215_8/main.asp. it explains the entire operations of AAFES.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Dec 2 at 2015 12:34 PM

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No. I appreciate that you served your country honorably for 6 years and I salute you for having served in a combat zone. You may have had 6 "hard" years of service, but it doesn't compare to the service members who are retiring today with 20 years of service and 5 or more deployments into combat zones plus many other family separation events for training or non-combat unaccompanied assignments. Using on-base facilities is a privilege afforded retirees in recognition of their long and honorable service. Sorry, but you just didn't do the "long" part. I shop both AAFES and civilian stores for major purchases and prices are often as good a the "big box" stores, sometimes better.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2015 5:23 PM

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I'd like to see Combat Veterans added to the list of people who are eligible to use the PX and Commissary. That said, the military has always been fairly clear on that the requirements were to use the PX or Commissary once you were no longer active duty... calling those rules unfair or claiming that you have a right even though you didn't meet clearly established requirements is just sad.

It's a benefit for soldiers that costs DoD little or nothing and actually benefits soldiers currently serving by increasing the amount of revenue MWR generates. It's a good idea IMO, however it is not owed to anyone but those who met established requirements.

Response by SFC Jay Spreitzer made Dec 5 at 2015 2:44 AM

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Well I thank you for your service and completely understand injuries can make it difficult to complete a career to retire. I had to attend a medical review board to stay in. As a service connected injured veteran you do qualify for certain other benefits, but comparing to a retiree after over 20 years is just not the same. All organizations have benefits after completing retirement criteria and if you do not meet them them you do not receive those benefits.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 5 at 2015 2:50 AM

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We Paid our Dues for a Career I think we deserve some privileges above others.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 11:40 AM

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Yes, Retirees deserve access to AAFES stores. Not even sure why this is even a questions. If you do not retire from service, no, you should not be given access to AAFES stores.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Jan 3 at 2016 1:40 AM

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Nowadays the benefits of shopping at the BX/PX are not that great compared to the local marketplace, in my opinion. I was stateside last year and did some shopping while on the west coast. Before that was a couple of years before in Japan. It is a fair deal overseas to get things you are use to having. Stateside, the only advantage I see is sales tax savings. Do you deserve to be able to shop there as a non-retiree or not rated 100%? NO!

It doesn't matter how many times you went outside the wire or that you were injured in the process. I am sympathetic for your injury but pure and simple the policy is good as it is. Unless and until someone at a much higher pay grade changes the policy, You will have to settle for Wally World, Target' and other discount shopping emporiums.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jan 3 at 2016 1:53 AM

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4X as much is more than "a little bit longer".

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Jan 3 at 2016 5:58 AM

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You're wrong. You are not being discriminated against. You don't have base access either unless your separation was for more than just completion of your enlistment. Certain benefits require you go all the way to 20 years.

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Jan 5 at 2016 1:01 AM

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First of all, AAFES doesn't offer anything you can't get from Walmart, Target, or a few others. I did all 32 years, 36 months deployed, 70% disabled, and don't give a second thought about driving on and off post to access AAFES. There are other priorities.

Response by GySgt Carl Rumbolo made Jan 6 at 2016 4:28 PM

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Seriously - I have read through the responses here and I am struggling to comprehend the sense of entitlement of the original requester and of the 26% of folks posting here that think non-retirees deserve AAFES as much as retirees.

Unless you are a qualifying disabled veteran, retired through service connected disability or retired you don't get AAFES benefits - you also don't qualify for TRICARE or any other benefit. You voluntarily left the service rather than stay to retirement.

I am pretty sure the benefits system was explained to you at least once while you where in the service - hopefully you stayed awake during that explanation. If you didn't consider it when you made a choice to separate too bad - stop whining and get on with your life.

Response by SPC Andrew Althouse made Jan 8 at 2016 11:14 AM

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Lmao...easily 10 times. Bruh, I left the wire easily that many times in a single work week, maybe 3 days. So please....stop trying to say you are a combat veteran. And what did you do once you left the wire?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 11:16 AM

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As a Veteran you do have access to an exchange, at your local VA and online. They have the same items there along with the discount you would get from any other exchange-http://www.vacanteen.va.gov/...Happy shopping.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Jan 8 at 2016 11:19 AM

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I would like to see any veteran status should have access, AAFES needs all the customers it can get and the strong sales will mean more money for soldier programs.

Response by SSG Randall P. made Jan 8 at 2016 11:25 AM

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Wal-Mart has way better deals.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 11:29 AM

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Hahahahaha! Is this a serious question?! I only did 4 years Active, and spent almost three times the amount down range that you did. Do you hear me crying for AAFES access? Or for any other special treatment? No. You are extremely insulting to everyone in uniform, not just the AF. Why don't you go spend some time with those retirees you so cruelly insulted? I think you'd get swift lesson in what it means to "serve a little bit longer."

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 11:32 AM

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I see many others have left their point of view on this but I still feel compelled to leave mine. To the OP (original poster), how can you justify that your 7 months in Camp Taji and rolling out of the wire "10 times" allows you access to those priceless reserved for those who retire after 20+ years or are medically retired? Your arguement is absolutely asinine. Then you say you got a 30% rating for hurting your shoulder because you had to wear your kit? You should be grateful that someone at the VA was nice enough to give you that! Everyone who deploys has to wear their kit. Why are you now entitled? We all rolled out of the wire 100's of times. You know what I got. A kick in the ass to hurry up and get ready for the next mission. I know you will probably just toss those opposed to your point of view to the side but you need to really assess where you are in life. To bitch and moan because you hurt your shoulder is just being a cry baby. I hurt my shoulder too. Had two reconstruction surgeries and kept on trucking. I can't hear worth crap, have PTSD and TBI and guess what? The Army will get me on the backend and will only cover me for what is deemed worthy. Hell, my your logic, with all my life altering injuries, I should freakin' own AAFES. In the end, grow up and be happy you served honorably instead of griping that you can't use the PX. Or just have a buddy take you in like everyone else does that doesn't have benefits.

Response by LCpl Christopher Dillon made Jan 8 at 2016 11:42 AM

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Relax AAFES benefits are coming to all Vets retired or not. It's working it's way through Govt approvals but it should happen soon.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 11:55 AM

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This is disturbingly ignorant. Nothing else needs to be said.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 12:19 PM

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No you do not. And if you think serving seven months in a compat zone qualifies you for AAFES, then you need to rethink why you joined in the first palce. Oh and thank your parents for making sure you got every thing you ever wanted and making you think you deserve stuff. Well news flash you don't deserve anything.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Jan 8 at 2016 12:40 PM

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I have no problem with a retiree who dedicated most of their adult life to serving in uniform having access to AAFES. As service members, veterans and retirees, everyone has given a little something beyond the average citizen, and the different "levels" (for lack of a better word) of special benefits each group can enjoy, for the most part, is a fair reflection of the level of service and sacrifice.

I left Active Duty after 3 years; in 16 months I will be out of the Reserves. 8 years total, that's it. Should every benefit I have access to from now until the end of time equal that of every other service member, veteran and/or retiree? I think not.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Jan 8 at 2016 1:00 PM

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Young man, My husband did 10 years as active Navy and 5 years in Iraq and Afgan combined as a supporting civilian worker, (balloon set up and operation on 6 or more bases. You should know what balloon I mean). We don't get exchange privileges either and that was always understood. Changes may be made after 2018 when the new retirement policy goes into effect, but I think you are making way too much of a 6 year hitch.

I did 5 1/2 myself. Never expected base access and exchange privileges after I left. Questioning why you are?

Response by CPT James Ramsey made Jan 8 at 2016 1:20 PM

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As much as I would like to shop aafes, if they opened it up to pretty much anyone the served, then they would not be able to sustain the deals for those retires or currently enlisted.

Response by SGT Jayson Anderson made Jan 8 at 2016 1:25 PM

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Why would aafes say no to money? This it's kind of ridiculous to be honest.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 1:28 PM

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Under the new system, whats going to happen to those that stay in long enough to get their matching. Do they get a reitee ID card? I assume they still have to stay in long enough to qualify for their reduced fixed retirement pay. (Unless of course they stay in the Reserves) I think one reason they should wait until 20 to get these privilages is that its an incentive to stay in the Reserves or Guard. However, online shopping, I believe is now or soon to be open to all veterans.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jan 8 at 2016 1:42 PM

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I understand your issues, but you also need to accept the fact that staying for 20 years incurs more hardships and has the potential for more sacrifice then the time you put it in. Therefore don't complain if you did not invest the time or limb (100% rating).

Response by LTC Tom Hartley made Jan 8 at 2016 2:02 PM

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I did 28 years and retired. I am moving to Riyadh where access to the AAFES would be quite desirable. But add a retiree I do not even have access to the Exchange while there.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 2:08 PM

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If shopping at the PX is so important to you, join the National Guard or reserves.

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Jan 8 at 2016 2:08 PM

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Anonymous, what I want to say to you would get me kicked of this site.

Response by SPC Stephen Gerard made Jan 8 at 2016 2:08 PM

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I'll write it: you're an idiot. Anonymous coward.

Response by SSgt Amanda Simpson made Jan 8 at 2016 2:38 PM

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Ok I really really want to agree with you, but this is not the reason you deserve base access and AAFES privileges. I think it would be a great benefit because it would help AAFES serve those who still serve. It would bring in more revenue so they could expand their selections and provide more or better services to service members. Using the platform "I did more than you" is a big turn off for most people. Yes, we served but we knew what would happen once we separated.

Response by SGT Justin Anderson made Jan 8 at 2016 2:47 PM

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I find your sense of set entitlement a little nauseating. I'm not quite sure where you think you get off.

So you left the wire 10 times in 7 months, good for you for serving your country and doing your job. That's not really something you should use as a point to be deserving to shop there, as there are people way more deserving than you if that's your reasoning.

I don't think you need AAFES. I'm assuming you just chose to get out rather than do a full a 20 years or be medically retired.

Being a former infantryman and your reason for needing AAFES, doesn't even come close to qualifying you to use the facility if that how you're reasoning for your usage.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 3:27 PM

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Gonna take the probably-unpopular view that only active-duty, Reserve, and Guard personnel should have access to AAFES, and only active or AGR for on-post housing. As is, infrastructure on-post here on Bragg is beyond overloaded by just the people that work here. Authorizing non-active personnel access to substandard housing and shopping facilities simply increases the load on the infrastructure - mainly roads - and makes life much harder for those of us who don't have a choice but to use it. Since that infrastructure is both limited and in high demand - if you don't need it, please don't use it.

Response by Dave Reid made Jan 8 at 2016 3:51 PM

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You have to do the time little man. I did 4 15 month tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and 21 years in and knew darn well what the rules were. You have to earn it you self entitled little whiner. 7 months? Shut up and sit down.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 3:56 PM

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Lmfao I did 5 yrs 10 months so fucking what you pussy suck it up buttercup no one else made your decision to get out of the service no one else. Plus the fact you said that px has good deals is laugh cuz most of the time you get better deals fr M SAMs club and you served 5 years most if not all retirees serve 3-5 times longer. So stop bitching and man the fuck up cuz we all know your type. Do yourself a favor use your gi Bill if you can and apply for your va health care like the rest of us

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Jan 8 at 2016 4:02 PM

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You stated: "I put in my time as much as anyone". I must correct you on that one. No actually you didn't. You did 5 AD years in the AF and 7 months in Iraq. Multiply those numbers times 4 or 5 and then some; that's about the average a retiree puts in nowadays. Why not complain about Combat Vets and disabled Vets not getting access instead of comparing your entitlement to that of retirees?

Response by Cpl Dan Klein made Jan 8 at 2016 4:30 PM

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Retirees spend way more time active obviously, but why not open it to all members? Profit is profit and apparently out government doesn't have enough of it (displayed by our growing debt)... How does it hurt to allow someone with 6 years active from shopping at aafes?

Response by SPC K Webb made Jan 8 at 2016 4:40 PM

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I left the wire ten times in two weeks when convoys were busy. Sure, I'd like AAFES benefits, but I also only did 6 years and can live without AAFES. I think the idea that you have to be rated 100% disability for access is a little extreme, but I also know that those things add up quickly.
I'm at 0% because I haven't tried to get anything.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Jan 8 at 2016 5:00 PM

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No we do not need to go to the AAFES. That is slot of ex- military folks that would be able to us the facility. That would be another problem. 20 year vets. Earned the privilege. Yes some of us bust are asses. And other not as much. I wish I wish I could use it. I have so No.

Response by Capt Joshua Hartley made Jan 8 at 2016 5:13 PM

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You feel that way because AF is spoiled as F--K. #1 awarder of Combat Related Special Compensation: a benefit provided when you are medically retired directly due to combat injuries? Chair Force --- more awardees than every other service combined since 2000.
Explain how that makes fracking sense. Nope. It doesn't. Because AF lies, cheats, and steals like the civilians they are.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 5:17 PM

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Is this what we have become? 'I have one bullet wound' 'oh yeah? I have two!" Really? I didnt join for AAFES, but I am not about to discriminate for it either. Both my parents served, one as a wac for 5, and another for 20, though neither were in combat. I have 5 tours. Am I better? Nope. My gunner, a cook on his only combat tour, had one injury. His death still haunts, but apparently because he only served x-amount of time he doesn't deserve what i deserve when I retire,according to these posts. We have to stick together. We all serve our roles. If you serve your role honorably and with good intent, then you should be treated that way. I couldn't give a shit less if you served 12 months and then got shot and medically retired or whatever and you had 1 month in combat: You did it. You served and did your duty. If you served 40 years and got shot, the same. Thank you both for your service. Our nation didnt begin because of stratification, let's not end it that way, God Forbid.

Response by MSgt Peter Castine made Jan 8 at 2016 6:18 PM

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I retied in 1992. Since that time, I have used the BX only about 3 times and the commissary only twice. If the commissary was closer than 4 hours away, I may use it more often. As far as the BX goes, I find that I can match or beat the their prices at Walmart or Target! And NO, you are not justified in feeling the way you do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 6:27 PM

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This is why we hate pogs

Response by PO1 Dan Patrick made Jan 8 at 2016 6:37 PM

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Kid, I spent 20 years in three wars and countless armed conflicts as a combat Naval aircrewman. After that, I have served more combat time in Iraq and Afghanistan as a CIVILIAN than you did in your entire time in the military. No, you do not deserve the same benefits as a retiree.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 8:40 PM

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Ok, I see where you are coming from, however, your view is extremely self-centered. First, you think that the AF or DoD owes this to you because of your service. That somehow the post-9/11 GI Bill wasn't enough, that the MOS skill that you learned was not enough, that your leadership and people skills were not enough, etc, etc, etc. I have done a combined total of 36 months deployed and 14 years in service. If I got out tomorrow, I would understand that the PX is no longer mine to use and that people ahead of me put up with a lot more crap than I did to actually earn those benefits. Sorry, but you are whining to the wrong group of people when you come in here talking about your 5 years and 7 month deployment.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 8:40 PM

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No. You don't deserve AAFES access. There are benefits you get after serving your 20 that others don't and that includes access to AAFES. Retirees didn't just serve "a little bit longer", they served a lot longer. I can honestly say this is the first I heard this argument from anyone who deployed. 7 months, good; you got to serve your country. Others serve years in the combat zone over multiple deployments, seperate and still don't get the benefit. Everyone is made aware of their benefits of retirement and the differences of seperation. No discrimination in the DoD in regards to AAFES or NEX access.

Response by Sgt William Biggs made Jan 8 at 2016 8:53 PM

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I am a little surprised this hasn't been deleted. I legitimately believe this to be a trolling discussion, but whatever. Simple fact is you don't rate. Retired members are authorized to utilize services because of the length of their service and honorable service. I also highly doubt your claim that you injured your shoulder from wearing your gear to the extent you stated. That is neither here nor there though. If you want deals on quality things try Amazon, Groupon, or your local VA PX.

Response by PO1 Scott Cottrell made Jan 8 at 2016 8:58 PM

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I'm sorry, 6 years with one combat tour of 7 months. I feel for you, my first 6 years in the Navy I made 3 deployments including a 10 month combat tour during Desert Shield/Storm. I know a Nam Vet who spent 18 months in a combat zone and lost a leg, who does not have AAFES access. I don't know you or what you went through, but I do know him, and even he is not worried about not having AAFES access.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 9:37 PM

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A whole 10 times...Wow....6 combat deployments and 12 years in the Corps. Since I didn't retire, I understand I don't rate anything. Retirees put in the time.

Response by TSgt David Woodford made Jan 8 at 2016 11:08 PM

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I was active duty Air Force for just under 8 and a half years. I never even considered that I should have AAFES access after I was discharged. I chose to leave the service when I did. I wouldn't expect to get benefits that active or retired get and deserve.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 11:14 PM

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You say you put in your time like everyone else. Well your 6 years doesnt add up to my 22 years, unless you are using common core math.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2016 12:18 AM

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Haha is there REALLY a demand for AFFES?? I only shop there when it's absolutely necessary out of convenience. I save much more money in the real world.

Response by SGT Blaze Crook made Jan 9 at 2016 7:58 AM

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Ok so first mad props to those that stayed in and retired (even if they never served in war). With 6 years in and my time over the pond I sometimes feel a little disappointed on the fact that I can't stop by the local AAFES. Even those that never left the FOB (fobbits) did more than most of those afraid to ever enlist in any branch. Do I think everyone that has joined up should deserve all the military benefits, nope. But to get things at a cheaper price as a war vet would be nice.

Response by SPC Nate Lamphier made Jan 9 at 2016 10:21 AM

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I did three years active duty in the Army. Of those 36 months I spent I spent something like 14 months with my wife. Yes I understand that the front end is heavy with basic and AIT but I also understand that you take away those two trainings....the Army has other trainings/field exercises to take their place. On top of that...there are deployments. They may not be a year long combat deployment to Baghdad that I got to participate in, but there is always a deployment to such places as Africa waiting for Soldiers. Anyways, what I am getting at that the deployments are only a small fraction of why I feel retirees deserve AAFES. Me personally, it is all the other BS things that retirees go through over a 20 plus year career that makes them deserving.

Now if your point was saying we all deserve the same retirement that would be different. I'm kidding!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2016 10:32 AM

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Seriously? Please tell me this is a joke. Berghdal spent more time outside the wire than this joker lol.
I'm more interested in how he got 30% for the time he actually wore his gear

Response by 1stSgt Michael Gartland made Jan 9 at 2016 1:24 PM

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I think the anonymity shows that he or she knew how this would turn out.

Response by PO1 Melody Wenz made Jan 9 at 2016 3:49 PM

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Completely disagree! One of the VERY FEW benefits we have left!

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Jan 9 at 2016 5:42 PM

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Bubba, I have more time in the Latrine than you've listed for time in Iraq. You deployed. ONCE! For seven months. OK. How about the thousands of Veterans who have deployed 2, 3, 5, 8+ times? Do you honestly expect me to believe you have done "just as much as those other guys"? Lookie here, you served. That's more than 97% of today's population can say. Be proud of your service but stop whining about insignificant matters. Besides, from my observations, Wal-Mart and Kmart have better prices anyway.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jan 9 at 2016 7:57 PM

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I left on my first combat deployment with a whopping 3 1/2 months in the Navy. When I got back I still had less than a year total service but had already deployed. Your 1 deployment in 5 years is NOTHING.

Response by MSgt Billy McDonough made Jan 9 at 2016 10:40 PM

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Eh, though I dont mind if they get access to AAFES, I do think perhaps you really need to check your sense of entitlement...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2016 1:23 AM

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You "did as much as most retirees, including retired grunts." NO, you did not. While your service is definitively admirable, you did NOT serve 20+ years like we retirees did. You did ONE rotation to Iraq for a whopping 7 months. Yes, it's admirable but thousands of retirees did two or three or four or even more tours in Iraq/Afghanistan. No, you definitely do NOT deserve AAFES access as you did NOT put in the required (yes, that's right REQUIRED) time in order to draw that specific benefit.

Response by SFC Frank Hartley made Jan 10 at 2016 8:53 AM

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Most definitely not.

Response by SSgt Sean Hagstrom made Jan 10 at 2016 11:37 AM

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You're an idiot!

Response by CPL Allen Charlton made Jan 10 at 2016 12:05 PM

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I believe that all those that honorably served should have the priviledge to shop at AAFES. I do not think that it should only be to those that retired. I did 10 years, and spent many days in another land. I think that it should be open to those that not only retired, but those that also have an honorable discharge. It should not matter the time of service.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2016 3:04 PM

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i don't think the poster is going to get the support he is looking for.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 4:19 AM

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No, not really. Because even though the retirees already did their time in service doesn't meat they did anything any different than those who still serve

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 8:29 AM

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This is a stupid question. There's simply no other way to put it. You were in the USAF yet "you did as much as grunts"? No, you did not. You're just another person milking the U.S. government by claiming that 30% disability. You think 7 months in Iraq entitles you to anything? Some of our brothers in Special Operations have deployed over 10 times! Retirees SERVED for at least 20 years, longer than 87% of troops! If you asked me, retirees should get a bigger discount than currently serving SMs.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 10:37 AM

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I am in my 27th year. I participated in the Iraq both times, Afghanistan, and Bosnia, I have deployed 14 times. Most of mine were only for 6 months and I still am way behind in total time of a lot of guys out there that had to spend multiple deployments. I have plates in my neck, shoulder, feet and have to get my knee replaced. so no you didn't do almost as much.

Response by SFC Patrick Weisskopf made Jan 11 at 2016 1:01 PM

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Retirees served their time to be allowed to keep some things. Someone who did just 5 years didn't stay for a reason and gave away that right for one reason or another. I don't judge but I don't approve of changing the rules for them at this time

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Jan 15 at 2016 9:12 AM

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Guess the problem is non-retirees don't have an ID card.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jan 24 at 2016 6:14 AM

2016-01-24T06:14:15-05:00

Suck it up, Buttercup. Retirement benefits, anywhere, are not about what you did. They're about incentive. The military wants people to stay in. It's a tough life, so people have to be able to see a light at the end of the tunnel. Part of that is retirement pay, part medical benefits, part other benefits like hops, commissary, etc.. Furthermore, once on the retired list and receiving those "benefits", you can still be recalled involuntarily under different circumstances and redeployed. In fact, military retirement isn't really retirement: it's a freaking RETAINER!!! You seem to be confusing DoD with the VA. The VA was formed, originally, to keep events like the 1933 Veterans' March on Washington from happening again. In other words, civilians fear us, because we have guns and know how to deploy them, so the mollify us with medical care and drugs. Even that's an incentive of sorts, because who would willfully join the military if they wouldn't even treat what they broke?

Thanks for your service, but quit whining. Take what you are entitled to and have a nice day. A lot of us don't even do that, because we know where the money is coming from (taxpayers). Just be glad you're not dead or injured worse.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2016 6:00 PM

2016-01-25T18:00:35-05:00

AAFES is a military benefit, if you want to maintain thoes benefits stay active or retire. Its pretty cut and dry. If you want out of the Armed Forces than you getting out of its benefits too.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 5:38 PM

2016-02-01T17:38:17-05:00

And the Cry Baby of the Year award goes to.......... The Airfoce guy that posted this

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Feb 11 at 2016 7:13 PM

2016-02-11T19:13:38-05:00

Retirees service member should have access just like non retire too because they serve before, they still brother in arms.

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Mar 31 at 2016 8:05 PM

2016-03-31T20:05:38-04:00

You never never never never never ect never did as much as a retired grunt I can't post any more this is a joke post right

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Apr 7 at 2016 4:28 PM

2016-04-07T16:28:31-04:00

There are some great and very spirited comments here. One other piece of the puzzle is that getting injured, but not get a medical discharge for any one of a number of nefarious reasons, means you did not get a chance to continue your career. The VA then gets to toy with your disability rating, which is way beyond your control, and you are left with potentially a very small stipend and diminished ability to work. The PX itself is not necessarily a game changer financially - when I was in I generally shopped off post. But the commissary can make a difference in how someone survives on a meager stipend.

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Sep 1 at 2016 6:15 PM

2016-09-01T18:15:49-04:00

"Easily left the wire more than 10 times." LOL.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Sep 8 at 2016 2:58 PM

2016-09-08T14:58:37-04:00

Saved alot of money at AAFES????????????? are you kidding, I am retired and like when I was active duty, stateside there were many more retail options (but meats at the commissary have always been a great deal)

Response by SSgt Troy Allen made Oct 6 at 2016 3:02 PM

2016-10-06T15:02:38-04:00

Signoff on honorably discharged veterans shopping at shopmyexchange.com is imminent. The ability for veterans to shop online is scheduled for May 2017 to test and tweak, with the full rollout announcement scheduled for Veteran's Day 2017. As more veterans shop, Exchange buying teams will have more leverage to buy goods at lower prices for online and stores. Everyone authorized to use the Exchange will benefit. Those using MWR programs will also benefit.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Feb 2 at 2017 12:12 PM

2017-02-02T12:12:59-05:00

who cares unless your overseas or Hawaii AAFES is more expensive than most local stores anyway........................................

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Feb 2 at 2017 4:27 PM

2017-02-02T16:27:07-05:00

I'd like to offer a lesson in economics and economy of scale.

AAFES is a for profit corporation that happens to have retail outlets on Military bases.

Maybe things have changed since I was discharged in 1994, but back in the day AAFES was more expensive and had less inventory than the places just off base.

Why? Economy of scale.

Only 7% of the U.S. population are veterans, that means if you let every active duty, retired, or person that just served 6 months and got out into the PX your customer base is still only 7% of the population.

Walmart sells to 100% of the population. Walmart can sell things cheaper and stock more because they buy and sell more, so their profit margins don't have to be as high to stay in business, and they can can negotiate better volume discounts from suppliers.

I don't live anywhere near a base, so I don't have any vested interest in the discussion, but it seems to me like the best policy would be to open up AAFES to anyone that is eligible for VA benefits, just because prices would come down.

I really don't care if someone was a bean counter behind a desk in the Coast Guard (no offense) for six months before they "got a boo boo" and were discharged on a medical. My only concern is base security 1st, and serving the troops well 2nd. The 1st means you gotta keep the riff-raff out, the second means let as many people in as you can.

Response by TSgt Thomas Monaghan made Mar 17 at 2017 8:54 AM

2017-03-17T08:54:04-04:00

No we served 20 + years and using the Commissary /exchanges is a benefit we earned. If you were in less than you did not earn that benefit sorry.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Mar 21 at 2017 10:35 AM

2017-03-21T10:35:37-04:00

Here's the deal there are plans in the works to let veterans use the exchange/PX. Why you ask, because it is way to expense and stateside is on the verse of going under. Be careful what you wish for......

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2017 10:04 PM

2017-04-08T22:04:58-04:00

Should have retired then. You dont "deserve" anything. You did your enlistment and got out. When you leave the Armed Forces, you leave all the buttpain, and benefits behind. You did a single 7 month tour in Iraq and left the wire 10 times, so what tens of thousnads did much more. You are not a snowflake, you were a one time deployed fobbit. I am falling out of my chair laughing at you right now. Where do you get your sence of entitlement from. You need to get a grip on reality.

Response by Capt Dwayne Conyers made Jun 23 at 2017 6:07 PM

2017-06-23T18:07:10-04:00

You can use exchange-like services at VA locations.

Response by SSgt Troy Allen made Jul 6 at 2017 12:59 PM

2017-07-06T12:59:46-04:00

Well folks, the DoD agrees honorably discharged veterans deserve access to the online version of the Exchange starting November 11, 2017 (Veterans Day).

Feel free to visit VetVerify.org and provide the information requested. If the info you provide matches a record at the Defense Manpower Data Center (DMDC), and you are coded as an honorably discharged veteran, you will receive acknowledgement that you can create a shopping profile at shopmyexchange.com on or about 11/11/17. More info can be found at the link below:

https://www.shopmyexchange.com/s?Dy=1&Nty=1&Ntt=vosbwelcome

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Response by SSgt Jerrol Olson made Jul 6 at 2017 8:17 PM

2017-07-06T20:17:52-04:00

Let me guess. You EAS'ed, then realized you couldn't buy cheap cd's anymore..?..

My teenage children sound more mature.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Jul 13 at 2017 3:23 PM

2017-07-13T15:23:29-04:00

I am looking forward to the on-line access coming in November 2017. However, I would like to be extended to include visiting a locale AAFES facility. In addition, access to the commisary would also be most beneficial to those of us that are non-retiree veterans, particularly those rated at less than 100%.

Response by SPC Jasen E. made Jul 16 at 2017 7:03 PM

2017-07-16T19:03:37-04:00

To expect different benefits than were offered by regulation at the time of your enlistment has a real danger attached to it. We all expect the military to honor the rules of enlistment at the time we signed up and in turn agreed to observe the rules ourselves. To go back and change rules for the benefits after the fact opens the door for the military to go back and change the rules on us. The rules are absolute, or at least they should be. If you don't like the way things are structured, don't join. Everybody needs to observe the rules they initially agreed to. I've had high school friends chide me for being retired at a mere 41 years old. My response to them is that I played by the rules and made the sacrifices that weren't ready or willing to make. It might not always go over will, but it's the truth and they cannot argue with that.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2017 9:53 AM

2017-07-17T09:53:05-04:00

Sigh... where to begin...
There are some on this site that have more time in kit than this cat spent in the Air Force.
Hell, I have almost as many times out of the wire in full kit on my wedding anniversaries (8 - 2 Afghanistan '03, 3 Iraq '05, 3 Iraq '08) than this guy does in total.
There are some on this site with disabilities like missing limbs, lives that will never be the same, nightmares that never end, holes in their bodies where bullets or shrapnel passed through.

For all who served, thank you.
Not everyone has the balls to sign on the dotted line and slog, fly, or sail into harm's way.
That doesn't mean that we are all the same, and it doesn't mean we all get the same benefits when we get out. By and large, what we EARN is based upon years of service. Get to twenty, and there are a lot of benefits. Get out earlier, and less so.
I never really thought access to AAFES was that big of a deal, but then I don't smoke or drink (much) so the bigger tax breaks are not really ones I get much out of.

Response by CW4 Robert Augur made Aug 13 at 2017 10:44 AM

2017-08-13T10:44:21-04:00

First I would like to state AAFES / The Exhange is not the greatest deal in town. When prices are compared to local economy prices the local prices are most times cheaper. When deployed or stationed overseas its a different story but, retirees are not authorized access to military sales facilities in all foreign countries. Depends on the SOFA. The commissary falls into the same category. I think you are just being nostalgic.
And for the record: You are not entitled. Period!

Response by SPC David Willis made Feb 8 at 2018 9:43 AM

2018-02-08T09:43:37-05:00

Is this fucking real? Like really, is this an actual post by an actual military member? You haven't even done more than most people who have deployed only once and got out. Congrats on your 7 month tour and your 10, count em TEN times outside the wire... I did two year long deployments, and left the wire over 300 times, hell I lived "outside the wire" for half of my deployments and I still haven't done as much as some retirees. In no way shape or form have you done more than a retired grunt. I've probably done more than a handful, but by no means more than most retirees and certainly not close to as much any retired grunt. Im in awe of folks who can not just survive, but stand to be in for 20 years and they deserve much more than I do.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2018 10:29 AM

2018-02-08T10:29:26-05:00

I think previous comments here covered what I was thinking...

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Feb 8 at 2018 5:36 PM

2018-02-08T17:36:29-05:00

AAFES has been running the stores in VA Hospitals for years and ruined that. They have destroyed Clothing Sales and destroyed everything they touch. With no bargains left they are trying to widen their market. Prices at the Commissaries are getting worse every week. They want to knock out those union employees and make it Walmart

Response by SSG Daniel Brewster made Feb 8 at 2018 5:44 PM

2018-02-08T17:44:37-05:00

Good Lord! I know this thread is three-years old, but the comparison made by the OP is crazy. Benefits of any type are reserved for those who did their time and retired. The deal that Uncle Sam made with all of us is if you do your 20, we'll give you certain things. Retirement pay, medical, AAFES, and more that I'm sure I don't have a clue about.

I did five active and five reserves. What did I do when I got out? I got a job and worked my ass off and eventually made some decent money. The trade off? I was free to do what I could in the civilian sector and see what happened. Funny, as I would have told you when I joined up that I was going to do 20. And I served in about the only ten year period in the last 50 years when the country wasn't at war. So, yeah, things worked out for me. But I'd never say that I was entitled to medical or commissary privileges. That's just crazy.

Response by SFC Ben Rosenthal made Feb 14 at 2018 7:42 PM

2018-02-14T19:42:08-05:00

The only thing worth shopping for anymore is alcohol. As far as I’m concerned there are way better bargains off post even with tax. AAFES has lost their minds.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jul 9 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-07-09T19:57:38-04:00

I was under the impression that the BX will begin ex service members this year. I know they start use of the commissnary this year

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 8:13 PM

2018-07-09T20:13:23-04:00

“Easily left the wire more than 10 times. I hurt my shoulder due to wearing my kit a lot...”

At least 10 whole times? AND you wore your kit....a lot? I salute you.

Personally, I don’t care if you shop at the PX. The ‘deals’ aren’t that good, the lines are long, the employees are rude, and you always run the risk of running into the “my husband is an E8!” types.

But hey, 10+ times outside the wire earns you a few things, I guess.
Best of luck.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 8:26 PM

2018-07-09T20:26:17-04:00

Simple answer is we have an ID Card and same with Medical Retired, so go somewhere else. You had a choice go for 20 and get an ID or go home. looks like you went home.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 9:38 PM

2018-07-09T21:38:02-04:00

No Sir, I believe it's a benefit for active and retired service members only. I sometimes think as it this way. I live off the base and outside of the base privileges, and this is where I make my living with all the rest of the civilians.
And, Thank you for your service. Salute!

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2018-07-09T23:09:42-04:00

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Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Jul 9 at 2018 11:29 PM

2018-07-09T23:29:02-04:00

"Left the wire more than 10 times" hahahahhaah excuse me....hahahahahah

Response by Maj John Bell made Jul 10 at 2018 12:07 AM

2018-07-10T00:07:09-04:00

You made some fatal mistakes when you posted this question.

1) You whined about your personal circumstances and claim you've been screwed in the first paragraph. Honest questions get honest answers. Questions as a set up to bitch just turn people against you.

2) You did not put in your time as much as anyone else. Retirees put in 20. You didn't put in 20. 20 is not as much as less than 20.

3) You are absolutely right you knew what the rules were. After the fact you don't like them, so what? Are you trying to convince us that you served your country for the Commissary and Exchange privileges?

4) NEVER assume that you know about someone else's service. You don't know anything and it is disdainful.

5) For much of my career (the 80's and 90's), The Commissary and Exchange were not available; or inferior to the civilian market. I quickly learned not to buy perishables (meat, dairy produce, seafood, and baked goods because it was old stuff that didn't move off the shelves fast enough in the civilian groceries. So route drivers for the wholesale suppliers collected it up and stocked the commissary shelves with old merchandise that would quickly spoil at home.

6) Most of the lower end items in the exchange were factory seconds, distressed merchandise, or discontinued.

7) A significant number of retirees live hours away from military installions and "don't get no commissary."

If you want honest answer ask adult questions without all the whining and bitching. There are legitimate reasons for and against 100% of all veterans hang access to base privileges, not the least of which is the impact on the civilian community surrounding the base.

Response by SGT Morrison (Mike) Hogwood made Jul 10 at 2018 10:03 AM

2018-07-10T10:03:02-04:00

I will answer the question asked, No,but as recent info regarding the the use of commissaries by by civilian employees of the Defense Commissary agency are allowed to shop at the commissary,now knowing this i would say yes and would ask your state politicians to get involved and ask ,i would support this if this is what's happening.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Aug 11 at 2018 8:17 AM

2018-08-11T08:17:51-04:00

It's coming why because AAFES/Commissary need your dollars to stay afloat........

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Mar 12 at 2019 3:46 PM

2019-03-12T15:46:24-04:00

What incentive is there for pursuing a career in the military if you can achieve all the benefits without the sacrifice?

Response by PO2 Russell Houston made May 14 at 2019 11:25 PM

2019-05-14T23:25:09-04:00

Really? There are plenty of thing about the VA systems, and this is what we chose to quibble over, I shop at Wal-Mart, cheaper

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made May 29 at 2019 1:14 PM

2019-05-29T13:14:11-04:00

I must have gone to the wrong doctor I only got 10% for my 2 herniated discs and hearing loss after 22 years. They weren’t sure if my injury was from wearing the IBA etc during 2 year long deployments as well as 2 months digging people out of the rubble after Hurricane Katrina or humping 95+ pound artillery rounds and all the other heavy lifting artillerymen do. The contract we all signed said part of sticking around 20+ years was commissary privileges You knew the rules and chose not to re-enlist

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jul 7 at 2019 12:11 AM

2019-07-07T00:11:00-04:00

I think we can all share the same playground.