LTJG Private RallyPoint Member 3135696 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Back when leaders (NCOs) took their people &quot;behind the boiler&quot;, that way of disciplien seemed to work back then. Do you believe that form discipline would work today? <br /><br />What are some of your craziest discipline stories you have either conducted or witnessed? 2017-12-01T09:51:37-05:00 LTJG Private RallyPoint Member 3135696

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Back when leaders (NCOs) took their people &quot;behind the boiler&quot;, that way of disciplien seemed to work back then. Do you believe that form discipline would work today? <br /><br />What are some of your craziest discipline stories you have either conducted or witnessed?

2017-12-01T09:51:37-05:00 2017-12-01T09:51:37-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3135731

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sir,<br /><br />I can only speak on the Army and my experience thus far. What I&#39;ve seen though is that in todays Army we are told to use counseling statements. Provide a course of action to help the Soldier correct his or her deficenies and then evaluate if it worked or not after a set time that you&#39;ve determined or determined with input from the soldier (if it&#39;s needed or warranted). I&#39;ve done this and seen it work and not work. I think the biggest issue is that we end up doing paperwork on Soldiers, having them disciplined through UCMJ actions when they&#39;re so young that they majority of the time don&#39;t understand how these things can effect them as they move on in their career. <br /><br />When I was a private I didn&#39;t experience this though, I made a mistake and I knew that I was going to get corrective training in the form of a smoke session. I&#39;m grateful now looking back that that was all I recieved. I easily could have recieved UCMJ action that could have severly effected me making a career of the Army.

2017-12-01T10:03:36-05:00 2017-12-01T10:03:36-05:00 CSM Richard StCyr 3135824

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My battle buddy and I having to dig a grave render honors and burry cigarette butts we walked by without picking them up at Ft Hunter Liggett Ca. Neither of us smoked but Satan the Operations NCO saw us in our act of gross indiscipline and the rest is history. But you can bet your ass I never walked by a piece of trash or cigarette but the rest of my Army life.

2017-12-01T10:26:24-05:00 2017-12-01T10:26:24-05:00 SMSgt Lawrence McCarter 3135868

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes discipline has and should have a place in the but there is a big difference between correcting an issue as opposed to sinking someones career and life. Some seem to forget We are dealing with human beings and human beings make mistakes, that&#39;s one thing all of us do ! Keeping a private record of both the good and the bad for Your own recall is advised but if something can be handled and corrected at the lowest level that seem the best option. If that solves the problem then there is no problem anymore, only if that fails should other steps be taken the exception possible being an offense that has crossed a threshold to be too serious to handle at a lower level. If You actually care about Your people You will try to look out for what is their best interest and help the unit in the process by correcting any problem. Many great leaders did have some bumps and grinds in the rise and learned from them, We do learn from our mistakes. Don&#39;t sink someone for being human, most do learn, don&#39;t ignore the problems but the solution isn&#39;t always throwing rocks into a boat that might sink, help it float. I find those that are quick to sink others and have no compassion for their fellow human beings end up sinking themselves in the process.

2017-12-01T10:42:03-05:00 2017-12-01T10:42:03-05:00 SGT Philip Roncari 3135897

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Two that come to mind are scraping the old wax from the platoon bay floor with our dog tags after spending all day doing close order drill on the quadrangle,and doing &quot;Strac&quot; drills at all hours (changing uniform of the day while running up and down the flights of stairs of the company barracks building.One that I instituted on the patrolling range as an instructor, was if I faced with an unmotivated diddy bopping AIT trainee patrol group ,was there was two routes to the objective on night patrols the relatively dry route(this still was Louisiana remember) or the definitely wetter one,I&#39;ll leave the choice up to you which my charges faced!

2017-12-01T10:53:06-05:00 2017-12-01T10:53:06-05:00 CAPT Kevin B. 3136024

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was at boot, the CC was anal about all his swabbies being able to do 50 pushups. Unfortunately that wasn&#39;t my strong suit and I got special attention. So the Chief put a large dog turd on the ground under my face, telling me he&#39;d take it away at 50. I brown nosed at 48. Next time he told me he saved up one of his turds. I made 50. Discipline? Maybe. Motivation? Definitely.

2017-12-01T11:41:40-05:00 2017-12-01T11:41:40-05:00 Maj John Bell 3136039

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The boiler room and NCO beat downs was a recipe for disaster. <br />1) Somebodies going to get hurt.<br />2) As if #1 isn&#39;t bad enough, it will become an embarrassment to the unit and the service when someone does get hurt.<br />3) What happens when the NCO is the one who gets beat down? That NCO and all the others just started to lose control.<br /><br />There are ways to punish that do not involve violating the UCMJ by the punisher or using the UCMJ on the miscreant. While it is best to praise in public and reprimand in private, if the misconduct was wilfull and malicious punishment should be harsh, public and cause the miscreant&#39;s peers to have some fun at the miscreant&#39;s expense. I was fond of 25 mile force marches where the miscreant and entire chain of command up to and including me stepped off from the parade deck at 1900 on a Saturday night, while everyone else was headed off on liberty, and the miscreant was shedding his pack about when his peers were getting back from liberty. I never had to do it more than once in each command, FMF or supporting establishment.<br /><br />The Doctor Spock talk it out nonsense doesn&#39;t work on kids who don&#39;t know any better. It sure isn&#39;t going to work on grown men and women who do know better.

2017-12-01T11:46:17-05:00 2017-12-01T11:46:17-05:00 SPC David Willis 3136049

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>One of the more outlandish forms of punishment Ive seen was after a soldier left his rifle in the gym luckily an NCO is our company found it and it was able to stay in house, but everything this man had was tied to his belt, and when I say everything I mean it. Glasses, patrol cap, ID, rifle, magazine, pen, paper, name/rank/unit patch, boots/boot strings, blouse, even the belt it self was tied down to the belt loop literally everything. It was pretty funny to see, and he never forgot his rifle again.

2017-12-01T11:49:36-05:00 2017-12-01T11:49:36-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3136240

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&quot;behind the boiler&quot; justice, just how far back was that? I never seen it. We had School of the Soldier or Warrior Collage, conducted on weekends. It was the CSM&#39;s program ran by NCO&#39;s. Basically we were taking your weekend away, the CSM had a training schedule to be followed, and if you didn&#39;t graduate you&#39;d be right back at it the next weekend. Not every Bn I went to had it , but a couple.

2017-12-01T12:58:43-05:00 2017-12-01T12:58:43-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 3136319

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In today&#39;s military, a majority of the people are probably in it for the length of their first contract and then they bounce out. I don&#39;t think any of them really care about paperwork punishment because they don&#39;t think it will have much of an impact on their future as long as they hit ETS and get that Honorable. <br /><br />Take away their free time or make them hurt, that&#39;ll definitely have an impact on them.

2017-12-01T13:36:22-05:00 2017-12-01T13:36:22-05:00 SGM Bill Frazer 3136367

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I vaguely remember the offer to hang your stripes up and do some wall to wall counseling. With that said,it seldom fixes stupidity. But there are ways to motivate/correct troops without destroying their chances for advancement. 1. The troops have to know that You care and that they are important to you.2. They have to know that you own them, not slaves, but that their actions/screw-ups/misdemeanors will be handled fairly and consistently by YOU!. 3. You always counsel them on paper with the waning that it can be trashed after a certain period of time, but if hey at repeat offenders, it will be used against them. 4. Because your subordinate leaders are also responsible for the troops, when the troop does corrective training, their 1st level leader is right there SUPERVISING that training. This is part of that 1st line leaders job and will make an impression on both. Training is always done on the troops free time (it&#39;s punishment!) and needs to match as closely as possible to the offense. That my mean going out to training areas and digging, or filling sandbags. Uniform/living area inspections, equipment inspections, etc.. For folks who can&#39;t be on time, I have even temporarily moved off post into the billets over the weekend and had them report to the CQ wearing varied uniforms or equipment, to insure they got the message. Think outside the box. 5. You will catch flack often from your superiors if they want to correct the troop, but if you have already take care of it, they can&#39;t do anything about it and good ones, will see that you are doing YOUR job as a leader

2017-12-01T14:04:35-05:00 2017-12-01T14:04:35-05:00 COL Jerold Wood 3144645

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Fort Ord, CA April, 1969. for cutting across grass in the company area a group of us were made to get on our backs for about 10 minutes with our hands and feet in the air and yell &quot;I am a dying Cockroach!, I am a dying Cockroach!&quot; One of our number had an arm in a sling and he was made to yell, &quot;I am a one-armed dying cockroach!, I am a one-armed dying cockroach!&quot; GREAT times! To this day I DO NOT cut across grass.

2017-12-04T20:28:45-05:00 2017-12-04T20:28:45-05:00 CPO Mark Robinson 3144804

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Had this &quot;Old School&quot; Chief Machinist Mate take this scrawny little Second Class behind the main switchboard for a little deck plate discipline. Didn&#39;t know the E-5 had been boxing for some years. Turned that old chief&#39;s face into the speed bag. Tried to write him up afterwards but those in the Chief&#39;s Mess just had a good laugh and told him that that was one of the negative aspects of Deck Plate Discipline.

2017-12-04T21:46:40-05:00 2017-12-04T21:46:40-05:00 SGT Timothy Stuart 3144841

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Once had a Marine who wouldn&#39;t keep his barracks room squared away. Tried counseling him verbally, had him performing extra tasks like cleaning common areas in the barracks, and then it came........I had duty on a Saturday, on a 72 hour pass weekend. Cleared it with my Gunny, the Company Gunny, 1stSgt, and CO.<br />Had Marine measure exact dimensions to his room, locations of everything in the room, and sketch out on graph paper.<br />Gave Marine Engineers Tape, stakes, dry cleaning racks, and bucket.<br />Had Marine lay out dimensions of room with engineers tape to include using dry cleaning racks for wall lockers and bucket for sink on the lawn of the barracks.<br />Then Marine had to move everything from exactly where it was in the barracks room to the corresponding place in his &quot;room&quot; on the lawn. (Yes I do mean exact, attention to detail was highly important).<br />Once complete, gave Marine another bucket, toothbrush, and simple green then informed him to start in back upper port side corner of his room and come get me when he thought he was done with cleaning that bulkhead.<br />Amazingly enough, it took him until about 0300 to get his room clean to standard on a 72 hour pass weekend.<br />Never had a problem with a clean room from him after that.

2017-12-04T22:07:11-05:00 2017-12-04T22:07:11-05:00 CPO Mark Robinson 3144921

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I remember in bootcamp during a bunk inspection by our company commander, all those who had the catch edge (seem) of their sheets facing the wrong way had to put their sheets over their heads and run around the barracks yelling &quot;I&#39;m a catch edge ferry&quot;. By the time there was about 7 or 8 catch edge ferries running around in circles no one could keep a straight face including our company commander. One thing for sure, during our first graded barracks inspection there wasn&#39;t a single catch edge facing the wrong way.

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