Posted on Nov 24, 2013
SFC Ncoic
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As leaders/mentors do you think it is our responsibility to educate our lower enlisted on planing for the future financially?  Who set you on your path for financial stability?  What was the best advice you received on planning for the future?  Do you think the DoD has a responsibility to educate us on financial planning?  Or if you haven't started what is holding you back?

Early in my career, just like almost everyone else, I didn't think about what life would be like when I either got our or retired.  I lived from pay check to pay check wasting money on "stupid things,"  one day I was talking with a SFC that was about to get out and he opened my eyes to what investing early in my career would look like when I was in his shoes.  Many years later I am glad I took his advice and wish I would have taken the advice of other NCOs that told me at each promotion to set aside a small percentage of it prior to ever seeing it in my pay check.  It has been my experience that younger Soldiers do not look forward enough and see or understand the second and third order effects of not having a sound budget or financial plan.
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As a professional in the financial field, I took the initiative to offer my knowledge to the soldiers in my unit.  I understand that are other priorities in the unit to be done in drills and leadership has no time for this. I am not in a leadership position (for now), but it is so gratifying that my buddies can count on me.  In my opinion, leaders can take advantage of soldiers like me.  Reserve units have a lot of professionals, and leaders should take advantage of their resources.  Maybe they do not have the time, but there are others that are willing to help them.
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What I mean with "offer my knowledge" is just to let you jnow tips, how to make a budget, save, in general.
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That is great that you are able to assist with this.  You are correct when you say that the command should take advantage of Soldiers like you and use your SME to help build a strong unit.
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I took an active role in guiding my platoon sergeants, squad and team leaders to get in the weeds of a soldier's entire life, not just financial. When a soldier was first assigned to my company he was in front of my desk within 24 hours. If possible, I had them bring their wives, that way she coild hear it to. I discussed finances as a part of that discussion, especially the fact that every business outside of the post was designed to seperate Joe from his money. Major purchases were encouraged to be cleared through the PSG. Not for approval, but a common sense check. This gave keaders a heads up before problems started and a sense of trust with the soldiers because their leaders cared. Think about it from a 1SG point of view, the more soldiers I have in training, the better we do in war. Also, when a soldier has financial problems, to get them rectified requires an NCO escort. Now I have two out of training. Can you see the snowball effect?

For the young officers commenting on this, I was an OSUT Drill Sergeant and we did give them all sorts of briefings. The soldiers were more concerned with staying awake so we would not smoke them than absorbing any information, especially if it wasn't testable. How many times do you receive a call in your officefrom a bill collector? If you do, does it disrupt your day? As a 1SG, it would disrupt mine. Without prompt response from the CoC, the bill collector can and will call Bn. The military are the only employers where bill collectors can call that soldier's boss and we have to do something about it. If you don't believe me, blow one of them off and wait for the CSM's call.

Don't look at this as adding more time to an already crowded training schedule. Look at it in regards to taking care of the soldier. The military is not like corporate America where folks are expected to be adults. Here people follow orders, or people die. That doesn't happen in the "real world". If you want your soldiers to trust you, ensure that their needs are met and they will break their backs for you. Leave it until it is time to counsel them for indebtness and you lost an opportunity for him or her to drink your koolaide.

Having seen first hand what the parents of America are doing for their children based on the soldiers that I received, hang it up on trying to say that Mommie and Daddy should have provided that period of instruction. Soldiers did not know how to properly care for themselves physically, let alone financially. Take some ownership no matter where they came from, treat them as part of your family, and get them ready for combat. Having to bring a soldiet out of the field, back from NTC or deployment for an avoidable family issue should reflect on that NCOER or OER, my opinion. Take care of it before you get to that point. Treat it like BRM, there are different periods to facilitate the training. Start slow, then ramp it up. Many of the examples and ideas that have been presented in this forum are valid, but it starts with the first line and must be supported by the Company level leadership. You are not doing it for them but for yourself by keeping them gainfully employed at work rather than them and their NCO running all over post during the duty day trying to fix something.

On the subject of AER. I had my commander delegate the responsibility for approving ARE loans to me, the 1SG. I established a program where the PSG had to prove that there was no other way to help the soldier without AER. This put the onus on the PSG and his subordinate leaders to dig into Joe's life. I would treat it like promotion debates where the PSG would have to justify his soldier's worth to the organization. This wasn't because I wouldn't sign it, but to engage the leadership. It was not a rubber stamp action, it had to be fought for, so the PSG had to invest time and effort.

When thinking of leaders, ask yourself, "would I let this person lead my children into battle?" It really changes the way you look at situations. These are someone's child not just a group of names and socials. They should be adults, but don't forget where you came from as well. We were all stupid and broke at one point, and so shall they be. You either figured it out for yourself, after some missteps, or someone helped you. I'd rather help the soldier not to make the same mistakes that I made rather than using the deep end if the pool analogy.
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1SG thank you so much for the feedback and advice.
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CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A.
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Probably not, but if you go through every regulation and attempt to accomplish all the mandatory training dictated by 350-1 and the monstrous amounts of MILPERs and ALARACTs, there is very little time for spoonfeeding adults the information their parents should have given them.

At some point, SNCOs and Officers must accept that Soldiers must assume responsibility for themselves in such areas. They receive an insane number of briefings during IET. If they haven't figured it out by then, you cannot demand that supervisors be held responsible for every little thing.
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CPT Walk you raise a valid point, and I agree we have all kinds of "mandatory" training that we must do and we do not have time to "spoon feed them".  Not sure where you got the “demand that supervisors be held responsible for every little thing”.  Last time i checked supervisors are held accountable for all the actions of there subordinates good, bad, or indifferent.  

There is a time and a need for Soldiers of all ranks to receive guidance and mentorship on all subjects and personal finance is an area overlooked most of the time.  When a Soldier finds himself or herself in a financial bind it seems that is the only time this subject comes up and when it does one of the first questions from the command is something to the effect of “why haven’t you helped the Soldier?”  How are we going to develop the next generation of leaders if this generation doesn’t know what right looks like?  Sure during IET Soldiers receive briefings on this but outside of that when was the last time a brief was given vs the last time an AER loan was signed by the command for a Soldier in need and why was the Soldier in need of an AER loan if his or her leader was doing what he or she is supposed to be doing by knowing his or her Soldiers and what is going on in their life?  

It is easy to say we do not have time for this type of training but,  last time I checked the Command drives the train on the order of merit for training.  Platoon Sergeants, Section Sergeants, Team Leaders, and Squad Leaders have the responsibility to ensure each Soldier trusted to them is prepared for any mission and finical management plays a key role in a Soldiers overall preparedness.  
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CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A.
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SFC Boyer,

Fair statment, we are held accoutable for their professional behavior. Absolutely. There are areas where this does not apply. Have you ever been subject to UCMJ because a subordinate pops hot on a urinalysis? Did your rater and senior rater downgrade your NCOER because your Soldier beat their spouse? Probably not. There are places where leaders are not accountable for their subordinates. Planning for retirements or life after the military is one of them.

Leaders are expected to maitain the good order and discipline of the unit. Learning how to budget and live within their means is not an unreasonable set of skills for unit training time. However, expecting leaders to be responsible for the retirement planning of their subordinates is a bridge too far.

Do you think, as a SNCO, you should be held accountable for EVERYTHNG, your subordinates do and fail to do? Would you want a bullet on your NCOER because you couldn't train your Soldiers in the critial decision making skills that should have prevented them from beating their spouse, or shooting meth?
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