Do we need a CW6 rank?

CW4 Craig Urban — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 00:05:11 -0400

What do you think. Do we need a CW6? I do not think so. Also I think the air force wants warrant officers back in their force structure

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2019 3:49 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:49:21 -0400

There are probably about 4000 CW3s, 2000 CW4s and 500 CW5s. At that rate, there’d be what, about 50-75 CW6s?

What would their function be? What current capability gap would they fill? If such a gap exists, could it not be filled by simply authorizing more CW5 positions?

Not only is a CW6 rank unnecessary, I think that a more relevant/interesting conversation would be, “can the CW5 rank be eliminated?”

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Mar 23 at 2019 5:30 AM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 05:30:25 -0400

No need for a CW6. Any position needed could be filled by a CW5. Air Force had a Rand study completed last year which said Warrants were not needed but it sounded like the conclusion was drawn without looking at the real issues. I never put much faith in the Rand studies.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Mar 23 at 2019 6:52 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:52:09 -0400

There was a pretty mature RP discussion on the use and utility of Command Chief Warrant Officers which also spawned the conversation about CW6 at the Chief of Staff of the Army Level...of course the RP Search engine is useless in finding this.

This would be the test case for CW6 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-the-appointment-of-the-2nd-army-staff-senior-warrant-officer-a-progressive-talent-management-move-or-a-setback

Is the appointment of the 2nd Army Staff Senior Warrant Officer a progressive talent management...

The CSA selection for the next Army Staff Senior Warrant Officer (ARSTAF SWO) is CW4 Billy L. Frittz. He is the CSA Assistant Executive Officer (AXO) and will serve concurrently as the ARSTAF SWO and advocate for Warrant Officers on behalf of the Army Senior Warrant Officer Council (ASWOC). He will work closely with the ASWOC to advise the CSA on the training, military and civilian education. My apologies for the spelling error in the...

Response by TSgt Scott C. Brammer made Mar 24 at 2019 12:03 PM

TSgt Scott C. Brammer — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:03:47 -0400

When I entered the Air Force back in 1978, they were getting rid of all of their Warrant Officers because they didn't have anything for them to do. I can't imagine why they would want them back today. Nothing is different now!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2019 6:15 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:15:30 -0400

No! No way

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Mar 25 at 2019 12:04 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:04:24 -0400

I don't see any point in adding another level to Warrant Officers, it existed for years W1 to W4 until more recently the grade of W5 was added. I had met a few Air Force Warrant Officers back in the day and even had one in our unit, the 351st Combat Defense Squadron, (SAC) at Whiteman AFB, MO in the 1966-67 time frame. He was a CWO (W4) Homer R. Gunn and very well respected with a great deal of experience over a long period of time in the Air Police.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2019 12:38 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:38:55 -0400

I'm not convinced that CW5s have a point, much less a CW6.
Not trying to start a fight here, just pointing out that the Army got by just fine without CW5s until not that long ago.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Mar 25 at 2019 7:36 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:36:09 -0400

Don't see a need for WO6. I think the AF needs the warrents back. The officers don't want to fly the drones and they don't really want the enlisted doing it either.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 10:44 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 May 2019 22:44:06 -0400

There is already a CW6 rank, just not activated. Google it. It looks just like CW5 but with two lines... I think the ARSTAF CWO should be a CW6...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2019 10:29 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 May 2019 10:29:28 -0400

I feel like there might be a good Spinal Tap reference to be made here...?

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made May 24 at 2019 12:09 AM

CW5 Sam R. Baker — Fri, 24 May 2019 00:09:52 -0400

Nope, they are looking at cutting down the number of CW5's.