Do we need to use offensive cyber capabilities? - Cyber chief: Efforts to deter attacks against the U.S. are not working https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-30243"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdo-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Do+we+need+to+use+offensive+cyber+capabilities%3F+-+Cyber+chief%3A+Efforts+to+deter+attacks+against+the+U.S.+are+not+working&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdo-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0ADo we need to use offensive cyber capabilities? - Cyber chief: Efforts to deter attacks against the U.S. are not working%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="a6a897d3362efbd988cc0e2d922311cd" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/030/243/for_gallery_v2/cyber.png"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/030/243/large_v3/cyber.png" alt="Cyber" /></a></div></div>“We’re at a tipping point,” said Adm. Michael S. Rogers, who also directs the National Security Agency, at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “We need to think about: How do we increase our capacity on the offensive side to get to that point of deterrence?”<br /><br />Rogers noted that the command, which launched in 2010, has focused mostly on defense. But, he said, “in the end, a purely defensive, reactive strategy will be both late to need and in­cred­ibly resource-intense.”<br /><br />His testimony picks up where his predecessor, retired Gen. Keith Alexander, left off. Alexander, who retired last year and started a cybersecurity firm, had long advocated a more robust offensive capability. But concerns over the years from the White House, the State Department and even some within the Pentagon that the use of cyberweapons could trigger unintended consequences and might harm diplomatic relations have slowed their deployment.<br /><br />Read the entire article:<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-cyber-command-us-may-need-to-boost-offensive-cyber-powers/2015/03/19/1ad79a34-ce4e-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-cyber-command-us-may-need-to-boost-offensive-cyber-powers/2015/03/19/1ad79a34-ce4e-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/010/711/qrc/465232616-848.jpg?1443036426"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-cyber-command-us-may-need-to-boost-offensive-cyber-powers/2015/03/19/1ad79a34-ce4e-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html">Cyber chief: Efforts to deter attacks against the U.S. are not working</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">The nation needs to increase capacity “on the offensive side” to fend off attacks, the admiral said.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:02:03 -0400 Do we need to use offensive cyber capabilities? - Cyber chief: Efforts to deter attacks against the U.S. are not working https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-30243"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdo-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Do+we+need+to+use+offensive+cyber+capabilities%3F+-+Cyber+chief%3A+Efforts+to+deter+attacks+against+the+U.S.+are+not+working&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fdo-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0ADo we need to use offensive cyber capabilities? - Cyber chief: Efforts to deter attacks against the U.S. are not working%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="49e71250b3832d784db1f6c72fce711b" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/030/243/for_gallery_v2/cyber.png"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/030/243/large_v3/cyber.png" alt="Cyber" /></a></div></div>“We’re at a tipping point,” said Adm. Michael S. Rogers, who also directs the National Security Agency, at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “We need to think about: How do we increase our capacity on the offensive side to get to that point of deterrence?”<br /><br />Rogers noted that the command, which launched in 2010, has focused mostly on defense. But, he said, “in the end, a purely defensive, reactive strategy will be both late to need and in­cred­ibly resource-intense.”<br /><br />His testimony picks up where his predecessor, retired Gen. Keith Alexander, left off. Alexander, who retired last year and started a cybersecurity firm, had long advocated a more robust offensive capability. But concerns over the years from the White House, the State Department and even some within the Pentagon that the use of cyberweapons could trigger unintended consequences and might harm diplomatic relations have slowed their deployment.<br /><br />Read the entire article:<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-cyber-command-us-may-need-to-boost-offensive-cyber-powers/2015/03/19/1ad79a34-ce4e-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-cyber-command-us-may-need-to-boost-offensive-cyber-powers/2015/03/19/1ad79a34-ce4e-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/010/711/qrc/465232616-848.jpg?1443036426"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-cyber-command-us-may-need-to-boost-offensive-cyber-powers/2015/03/19/1ad79a34-ce4e-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html">Cyber chief: Efforts to deter attacks against the U.S. are not working</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">The nation needs to increase capacity “on the offensive side” to fend off attacks, the admiral said.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> SSG Norman Lihou Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:02:03 -0400 2015-03-20T13:02:03-04:00 Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2015 6:14 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working?n=542780&urlhash=542780 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is not an issue of having cyber of offense weapons but of specified targeted use. The US can simply make countries disappear off the routing tables through use of ICANN, but there is huge collateral damage (civ, economic, diplomatic) when using these tactics. Normally a cyber attacker will route attack through multiple neutral country launch points or civilian unprotected servers and we have no means to attack them or strike back and get the bad guy. The other issue is what is more important, exploitation or kinetic action? Really it is a balancing act and strategic decision when it comes to use of cyber capabilities. Some abilities are cut in dry such as jamming within theatre but for long haul circuit offensive actions, it is a grey area and how do you determine effects. MSgt Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:14:48 -0400 2015-03-20T18:14:48-04:00 Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2015 6:25 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working?n=542800&urlhash=542800 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This article is spot on, in my opinion, <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="508279" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/508279-ssg-norman-lihou">SSG Norman Lihou</a>. Playing defense in this "game" is too little too late. The attackers come, get what they want, leave, and we investigate what happened. That's a pitiful excuse for a cyber strategy. Something like closing the barn door after all the horses have run out. CW5 Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:25:22 -0400 2015-03-20T18:25:22-04:00 Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2016 8:29 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/do-we-need-to-use-offensive-cyber-capabilities-cyber-chief-efforts-to-deter-attacks-against-the-u-s-are-not-working?n=1319874&urlhash=1319874 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is a fundamental issue of deterrence when it comes to cyber. In many academic circles, they compare cyber to nukes which just don't work. The devastation of nukes can be easily measured and the horrors can be easily imagined. Offensive Cyber works on the notion of secrecy. You can just say trust me, i can hack you. If the goal is the create international norms concerning nation state cyber warfare, this may work to a certain degree but it will be limited to nation states with a vast intelligence enterprise. It will have very little effect on criminal and non-state organizations where cyber attacks are consider crimes not acts of war.<br /><br />In cyber virtually anyone with a computer and a network connection has the means to produce an offensive cyber effect. Deterrence by increasing the number of offensive cyber operators/weapons is not going to work on the 2.94B users of the internet. <br /><br />The bigger issue on the defensive side for CYBERCOM will be authorities...they are only tasked with protecting the DODIN not all of the US Federal Government or the Critical Infrastructure that underpins the US and its economy. Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:29:52 -0500 2016-02-21T20:29:52-05:00 2015-03-20T13:02:03-04:00