Posted on Jan 9, 2015
Do you agree with potential charges against GEN Petraeus?
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Damn! I just posted this. Great minds think alike. I seriously think they need to drop the charges and he should still be in a leadership position.
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CW5 Jim Steddum
I was shocked when I read it. I do not usually think in terms of conspiracy theories... but, I worked for this guy... twice. Once when he was a O5 and then again when he was COMISAF. I don't buy it.
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LTC Herman Valentine
Purely a political move on the part of DOJ and this administration. I'm certain everyone around him, to include the woman he had an affair with had appropriate security clearances.
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Agree with both, they should just let the issue of faded out instead of trying to bring it back in to the spot light.
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CW5 Jim Steddum
CSM, me too! I learned a great deal from him. I was one of a few SGT(E5) that survived being in his office alone (as his legal NCO). He was tough, but fair.
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If she had no true "need to know" and she did not have an active clearance ... by definition his providing her with access was illegal and wrong by CIA regulation, DOD regulation, OPM regulation and by law. Whether his actions caused harm to the national security is difficult to see without seeing what she was provided access to.
HIS role was to protect the nation's secrets...not use his postion, authority and control to impress his girlfriend for access to "other parts".....
No matter how great a military leader he may be, just as any other military or civilian - he must be held accountable.
HIS role was to protect the nation's secrets...not use his postion, authority and control to impress his girlfriend for access to "other parts".....
No matter how great a military leader he may be, just as any other military or civilian - he must be held accountable.
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PO1 (Join to see). The guy is surrounded by overwhelming amounts of classified data . . . at the Department of Defense, at the Central Intelligence Agency, and at the White House . . . I don't begrudge him a few notebooks to simplify his life . . . and quite frankly with the DOJ knocking the entire case down to a misdemeanor . . . I seriously doubt they had the kind of smoking gun evidence it would have taken to make a decent felony case. Gen David Petraeus notebooks were never formally reviewed for appropriate classification . . . and were therefore never marked with the prerequisite classification warnings . . . so it would be very tough to make the case. The DOJ simply did not want the expense and embarrassment of this kind of defeat . . . had no way to carry the burden of proof!!! Warmest Regards, Sandy
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1LT Sandy Annala There's no debate that he had access to reams of classified data. I have met and worked with men who did his job(s)...but for some unknown reason none of them needed the notebooks filled with both classified and unclassified data improperly annotated. They actually did the proper and right thing by ensuring the notebooks were properly annotated, logged and protected. The Gen gets no breaks from me on that arena. He lied when he said he had no classified material in his home... period.
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PO1 (Join to see). Whatever one may wish . . . the DOJ took a misdemeanor plea . . . did not even bother to file for a felony conviction . . . meaning Gen David Howell Petraeus retains his civil rights . . . continues to hold the right to campaign for public office . . . and I have little doubt he will someday soon be running the very next Republican White House. Warmest Regards, Sandy
p.s. I could be wrong . . . but I would hazard to bet few of your colleagues held the position of Central Intelligence Agency Director with full authority to hand classified data to anyone.
p.s. I could be wrong . . . but I would hazard to bet few of your colleagues held the position of Central Intelligence Agency Director with full authority to hand classified data to anyone.
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1LT Sandy Annala You could be correct...he may run and win election - stranger things have happened in American politics. My opinion is that he's done in politics.....but I could be wrong.
As to your bet...there are authorities and then there are authorities. While he held the authority to hand the classified material to anyone - he did not document the fact nor do the proper and right thing IRT classified material at home situation. No matter how you write it up, gussy it up and try to make it look pretty...it's still the story of a Gen that couldn't keep his zipper zipped and protect classified material properly.
As to your bet...there are authorities and then there are authorities. While he held the authority to hand the classified material to anyone - he did not document the fact nor do the proper and right thing IRT classified material at home situation. No matter how you write it up, gussy it up and try to make it look pretty...it's still the story of a Gen that couldn't keep his zipper zipped and protect classified material properly.
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If she was a former army intelligence officer (unless she published classified info) I dont see anything really wrong here. Maybe a stern conversation about protecting classified info better and a public slap on the hands. I seriously doubt any info was ever in any real danger.
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I dont JUDGE heroes, i HONOR them. read the treads below. some of you may be too fast to cast a stone. this guy was a Soldier's Leader. simple things that he did all over the battlefield prove that he was honorable and loyal to those he served with and he loved his country.
if he willingly and knowingly did something REALLY bad, then hold him accountable. but if you are just telling me that he slept with an attractive woman who had access to information already, then i dont care. sounds like the woman is trying to pin some juice on him so she gets a lighter sentence. but i dont read up on this. why, because until all facts are presented, i dont want speculation to taint this hero!!!
if he willingly and knowingly did something REALLY bad, then hold him accountable. but if you are just telling me that he slept with an attractive woman who had access to information already, then i dont care. sounds like the woman is trying to pin some juice on him so she gets a lighter sentence. but i dont read up on this. why, because until all facts are presented, i dont want speculation to taint this hero!!!
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I served under his command in 2003-2004 when he was Commanding General over the 101stAbn during Oif 1. He is a great leader and no I don't believe he did it.
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Yet another General that I believe has gone against what the current administration wanted and has been done wrong. Look at howany top officers have been forced into "early retirement".
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General Patraeus broke the faith with all soldiers and with his code as a West Point officer, (specifically "Honor"). Sorry, but if he's guilty of passing classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it, he's not only broke the faith, he is a criminal in the eyes of the UCMJ and should be punished accordingly. Because he was a General doesn't exempt him from the law. When we start to think so, we become what we fear the most. I know a lot of people who idolize him and I thought he was an awesome commander and leader, but he allowed his Johnson make decisions that he knew was wrong. I don't know if he's passed classified information or not, but if he did, I hope he's stripped of his rank, and his retirement and sent to Federal prison for an appropriate length of time. He would be no less guilty than Edward Snowden.
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MSG Willy Paypon
I have been working from the intelligence community for quite sometimes. As I know that any person who are working in the intelligence community who wish to disclose a highly classified document is liable to answer the consequences. Passing of classified information to anybody else neither to anyone who is not concerned nor person without security clearance is a dangerous act and that is what we call treacherous action against the nation. In the part of General Petraeus all I can says; that the General know of what he is doing, there are lot of things to be considered in his assignment that we doesn’t knew in the intelligence and counter intelligence operations. Remind you, that the head of the intelligence unit is always be the number one target of the enemy anywhere you are in the military. I analyzed, that General Petraeus assignment is not new to him he knows everything but the questioned that there are reasons are not suppose to disclosed since it is belong to classified matter and there are perception to him as alleged as guilty since we lack of knowledge regarding the situation and circumstances that enclose from the General. The General is in the right direction as stated in the reports that Broadwell is also a former army intelligence officer therefore, she knows how to handle classified matter. If classified information was exposed to the public in the event of unauthorized disclosure and leak into the enemy then, there was a breach of security document done by Ms Broadwell since she was trusted by the General. She will be investigated and the General remained innocent however, he is involved since “innocence of the law excuses no one”. Let us assess the situation that surround the background of the General; If the General wish to enter in political arena the problem might be in the politics. If someone likes’ the General and correlation with Broadwell it might be in the relationship. If somebody envy to the position of the General it might be to his position. If really the enemy wish to destroy him it might be a sabotage. But the only I can say that we have to wait until it is proven by the court before saying that she or he is guilty. Thank you Sir Frank, this my logical comments...
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1SG Thomas Ross
The way I look at it if had been a Enlisted person we would still be in the stockade. I just can't imagine he passed information to his mistress. And if he did so long Charlie.
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1SG Frank Boynton
He did commit adultery which he admitted. He broke his West Point oath over an ugly girl. That's being trite I know, some people find her attractive. But it really doesn't matter he violated his oath over a woman, which leads me to believe he probably did share secrets, whether with his girlfriend or anyone else. I hope your right that someone's out to get him, because if this 4-star general did do what they say he did, he broke more than just his code of "Duty, Honor, Country". Back in the day, that use to mean something.
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SSG David Shifflett
I agree with the adultery Top. He should be found guilty according to military tradition and laws. The passing of secrets, will it seems the young lady was clear to discuss information, want level, know one no's. I believe I give the General a re-look on this issue. Not saying is selection was great, but he truly is a man of honor. I would agree with Clark, some one up the political chain was upset and setup a closed ambushed on the General. If the democrats are willing to give him a pass, then it was a setup. May be to keep him from running for office. Who knows?
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