Posted on Oct 20, 2015
Do you agree with this article that we should withdraw from Afghanistan?
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It is always enlightening to challenge one's assumptions by reading a contrarian viewpoint.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1020-bacevich-war-no-choice-20151018-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1020-bacevich-war-no-choice-20151018-story.html
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Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) - Afghanistan
Afghanistan Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) - Afghanistan
Posted 9 y ago
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Can anyone answer these for me:
1. What is the mission that we want to see happen?
2. What is our timeline to affect this outcome?
3. How can mission creep affect our plans?
4. How will we maintain our presence with the locals (supposedly everyone's coming to a large FOB near you)
5. What are we using as a measuring stick to gauge the progress of the ANA, ANP, ABP, and subordinate units?
6. Do we have a viable exit plain?
There are more that I'd like answered, but I don't want to know the answers in all honesty, and definitely not on this forum. I asked them because they seem to be clear as mud, and flow in the wind with the political pull behind them. Out troops need these types of answers and not the typical "do your job" stuff. They will do their jobs, but need to understand what they are there for along with what to expect of the host nation. If this will be an infinite rotation, get the wheels turning now in preparation for something like a Korea or Europe type rotation. Rotations are bigger than moving gear; you have to ship mindsets, and they need to be cultivated and trained. The US sucks at nation building. It's made worse when the host nation doesn't want the same things for itself that we want for it.
1. What is the mission that we want to see happen?
2. What is our timeline to affect this outcome?
3. How can mission creep affect our plans?
4. How will we maintain our presence with the locals (supposedly everyone's coming to a large FOB near you)
5. What are we using as a measuring stick to gauge the progress of the ANA, ANP, ABP, and subordinate units?
6. Do we have a viable exit plain?
There are more that I'd like answered, but I don't want to know the answers in all honesty, and definitely not on this forum. I asked them because they seem to be clear as mud, and flow in the wind with the political pull behind them. Out troops need these types of answers and not the typical "do your job" stuff. They will do their jobs, but need to understand what they are there for along with what to expect of the host nation. If this will be an infinite rotation, get the wheels turning now in preparation for something like a Korea or Europe type rotation. Rotations are bigger than moving gear; you have to ship mindsets, and they need to be cultivated and trained. The US sucks at nation building. It's made worse when the host nation doesn't want the same things for itself that we want for it.
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Very good questions, SSG. Especially the first one. I'll confess that I don't understand what it is the U.S. is trying to accomplish there, or what will be the indication that we've succeeded.
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SSG Warren Swan
CPT (Join to see) - Sir, but you should. That meaningless piece of dirt might mean nothing, yet it's everything, and no one told you. And you didn't inform your men/women under you. If we cannot define the mission we need to do just like CW3 Bernard Chief Collier said and withdraw.
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In Nature all voids are soon filled, the same applies to human relations all voids are soon filled, the facts prove this, most recently Iraq and for all of us that have been divorce that void is soon filled too.
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No. But if we aren't going to take it seriously, and I'd argue that we have not, then we should.
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