Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?

2018-04-17T20:22:12-04:00

I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2018 8:23 PM

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Unless the brass is going to make it policy not to, active duty members will continue to do what we do. The question was posed as well during the Obama administration

Response by TSgt David Holman made Apr 17 at 2018 8:30 PM

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That is a very good question COL Private RallyPoint Member . All of us signed up to serve to protect not an office or a man, nor a piece of cloth, but the freedoms and way of life of our country. I feel that this site is more of a networking site, and should probably have a little more protection than a full blown social media site such as Facebook, but we have to remember (at least those of us still on active duty) that we are bound by the UCMJ. I am not going to call out someone for disagreeing with a decision made, but I would probably say something if they crossed the line (too far anyway).

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 17 at 2018 8:33 PM

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DOD Policy

“In an example of how social media can cause trouble for military personnel, a Marine was recently discharged from the Corps because he posted critical and derogatory comments about the president on Facebook. The site failed to indicate that the views being expressed were not the views of the Marine Corps or the Department of Defense. He had previously been warned by the Marine Corps that such sites were a violation of military policy, but he did not heed the warning”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/http://www.army.mil/article-amp/84850/you_posted_what_on_facebook

You posted what on Facebook?

With the 2012 Presidential election less than 90 days away, there are a number of things Soldiers and government employees need to keep in mind when it comes to being in military or government service and being involved in political activity.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Apr 17 at 2018 8:53 PM

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No. I don't.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2018 9:02 PM

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Not good for AD and rules apply.

Response by SSgt Gary Andrews made Apr 17 at 2018 9:02 PM

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IMHO.......the veterans on here have all earned the right to speak their piece and let the chips fall where they may. Those on active duty though, should be careful with their political remarks if there is any chance they could face a disciplinary action. When I was on active duty, back in the stone age, we didn't have social media.......so we didn't face issues like this. To be safe, might be better to save the political commentary until after you leave active service. That said......I love hearing what active members are thinking......it's a whole different perspective.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2018 9:02 PM

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No. I don't think it's cool, or wise. Especially for those still serving.

Response by Maj John Bell made Apr 17 at 2018 9:03 PM

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I don't approve of "safe spaces." I do not think of RP as a place where active duty members can violate the UCMJ. Article 88 only applies to commissioned officers. There is not one of us, active duty or not, who has that power to grant exemption from the UCMJ. It is not difficult to discuss political decisions without being contemptuous of a government official. If someone cannot disagree with or criticize in a cool, calm, collected, professional manner, it might be best to wait and comment on another day.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Apr 17 at 2018 9:09 PM

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No.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 17 at 2018 9:09 PM

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To be honest, it’s getting ridiculous and the behavior is embarrassing. I’m sure I have a few diarrhea of the keyboard moments out there about the last guy, but some of the people opposed to the current guy are not only stepping beyond a line but seem to be in a long jump competition.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Apr 17 at 2018 9:11 PM

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COL Private RallyPoint Member Sad thing is a lot of the negative comments come from senior officers and enlisted

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Apr 17 at 2018 9:16 PM

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I never told anyone my political affiliation or beliefs when I was active. Now, granted, I amy have made up for it a bit here on RP after I got out!

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Apr 17 at 2018 9:20 PM

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I would like to think that I am very tame when critiquing our Commander in Chiefs past and present, While I am retired I will never just full nuclear in my comments. I would pretty much say on line that I would say in person, what can I say I am an A-hole that lacks tact and any sense of self preservation. One thing I will never stand for or do is promote or agree with ANYONE talking about physical injury or death of a POTUS regardless of how I feel about them.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2018 9:28 PM

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No. It’s black and white on this one.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2018 9:40 PM

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COL Private RallyPoint Member Absolutely not Colonel.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 17 at 2018 9:48 PM

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It can definitely get them in serious trouble!

Response by David Clare made Apr 17 at 2018 9:57 PM

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Every citizen and service member should have right to voice an opinion. However how it is done can have a negative effect on not only active duty personal but civilians alike. We are prohibited for making statement that are deemed derogatory or bring discredit to our police department and city officials. No where does it address weather the statement is factually correct or simply opinion. The POTUS is our commander and chief and as such deserves a measure of respect irrespective of your political views. Weather you respect the man or not, the office deserves our respect. We can disagree and still be civil mature adults. Is that not what we teach our children?

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Apr 17 at 2018 10:02 PM

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No. I held my tongue when the last POTUS was in office, those that don’t like the current POTUS should do the same.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Apr 17 at 2018 10:38 PM

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You have a choice. You can either serve actively or be politically active. The two simply cannot be allowed to mix

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Apr 17 at 2018 10:45 PM

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I think no current service member should ever talk bad about the POTUS no matter what. If you a serving then if you got something negative to say then keep it

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Apr 17 at 2018 10:55 PM

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No... and when I was an Active Duty member of the military, I was doubly sure to monitor the things I posted online because I knew they were a reflection of me and my service. As a member of the Veteran community, I may be a bit more vocal of my personal stances, but I make sure that I am representing only myself and I give no impression that I am speaking on behalf of the Marine Corps itself.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 17 at 2018 11:09 PM

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Is it actually disparaging remarks? Or is it just a recitation of that days news or twitter feed? Stating unpleasant, publicly known facts is not the same as disparaging remarks or comments.

For example, if I say "Rhonda Rousey is no longer undefeated", it can be interpreted as my being disparaging or degrading, but ultimately it's just a sad truth.. Or put another way, it can be mighty difficult to discuss a negative without implying that it's a negative.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 12:12 AM

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This issue is the flip side of those who say that they don't believe RP users should be allowed to remain anonymous. If you want to hear the unfiltered opinions of active duty military, then you really need to allow anonymous users. IMO rather than having just "CPT anonymous" showing up, it would be better to allow RP members to choose a user name. That way, people can recognize who is who, and a poster can establish a record and be recognized without having to reveal their real identity.

I don't agree with those who think that there is something cowardly about not using your real name on the internet. There are very valid reasons for military members (or civilians in many jobs) to not want to broadcast their political views to the world where it could adversely impact their employment. Ideally the emphasis should be on responding to the ideas stated, and not the name. Old guys like me are at a point where I don't need to worry about that stuff, but if I were on active duty, or employed in a civilian job, I would never use social media with my real name. There is too much potential downside and little upside.

But as we are configured now on RP, I wouldn't suggest any active duty personnel to participate in any but the most benign topics. And I would NOT trust the RP security system to protect my name. For example, I would see a response to a post of mine where it would say "CPT Anonymous" as the name. But I would get an email notification that would say "CPT Michael Smith" has responded to your post. I really think RP should continue to validate a person, but allow a specific username to go with that verification. Perhaps certain things could be shown, like rank, as in CPT Wonderful where the CPT is the verified rank, but the name is a user name. And perhaps status like retired, vet or active.

But no one should ever believe that any site is a safe space where you have any expectation of privacy. Anybody can copy your post and post it anywhere on the net, including with your name. Many civilians have lost their jobs because a so called "friend" on a site disagreed with something and then sent a copy to the poster's employer, even though the employer can't access the site themselves.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 1:28 AM

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Neither for President Obama nor President Trump. Not while active and while they are in office.

Response by TSgt David L. made Apr 18 at 2018 1:42 AM

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It isn't OK for SMs to do it anywhere. POTUS is the Boss, like it or not. Bad mouthing him is not only unprofessional but really bad form. Says a lot about someone's character. I despised Clinton as much as he hated the military, but I dealt with it. In many a slow shift I talked with a lot of USSS agents, most of whom disliked him as well, but that's part of the job. We don't get to choose our bosses and the right thing to do is shut up and color.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Apr 18 at 2018 4:55 AM

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I do not think it is OK for RallyPoint members to insult the POTUS or make degrading comments about the President of the United States COL Private RallyPoint Member. Criticizing advocated policy is OK but insulting the POTUS is not.
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Orlando Illi LTC Private RallyPoint Member LTC Ivan Raiklin, Esq. Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Capt Seid Waddell Capt Jeff S. CPT Jack Durish MSG Dan Walther MSgt Robert C Aldi SFC Stephen King MSgt Danny Hope SGT Gregory Lawritson Cpl Craig Marton SP5 Mark Kuzinski SGT Private RallyPoint Member Maj Marty Hogan

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 5:19 AM

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Veterans can be as fat, vile, opinionated, and political as they want to be. They no longer are obligated to to uphold a set standard, and the military no longer has power over them. Active duty members better remember their oath, their obligations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They are also obligated to set the example, and that means supporting the policies implemented by their Commander in Chief unless they are illegal.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Apr 18 at 2018 6:59 AM

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It's unprofessional.

Response by Barry Davidson made Apr 18 at 2018 7:36 AM

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I've had many discussions about first amendment rights and the military with civilians over the years. I've gone so far as to write articles about it to no avail. I've cited cases, decisions, etc. and even went so far as to dumb it down to where a first grader should be able to understand. Nothing.

Unfortunately, I've seen these same echos reverberated in younger service members. They've been raised on a school diet of, "I can say whatever I want without repercussions." Not all mind, but too many. You can tell them a thousand times that they only place they can express a public political opinion is at the ballot box, and it'll fall on deaf ears. Granted, it's all moot when the Services and/or DoD fail to stomp on high profile members who violate the UCMJ.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 8:06 AM

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Without a doubt-No. I do believe some allowances should be made for the fact that many members of RP are long-since EOS'd, and may be both leaders in civil society, if not politics. That said, I think it behooves those of us in the private sector to remember that we show our former ranks here and are viewed by members of the serving Armed Forces.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 18 at 2018 8:29 AM

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I don't think it is right- after all there are regulations in place for active duty personnel concerning this. It seems like many things folks blur the lines between what they want to say and what they can say- This is more or less a public forum, reaching out not only to Active duty and Vets but these showing interest in joining the service. So to my mind there is no difference between posting here and standing in the street yelling. If Active duty did that, they very well would be facing UCMJ punishment. As we should have learned in the service Active duty have "abridged" rights and throwing rocks at the CoC all the way up to the POTUS is forbidden. When you and I were in Sir, this was drummed into our heads every time we turned around and particularly during election time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 8:30 AM

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I have no problem with being critical, but some of the lame stuff that gets posted from really sketchy sources just shows a pure hate.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 10:55 AM

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Definitely NOT ok, Sir. I believe that Veterans are completely entitled to exercise their 1st Amendment. For the rest of us, in my opinion, the professional, and intelligent thing to do, is to keep our political opinions to ourselves.

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Apr 18 at 2018 10:57 AM

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Nope...not even former service members. If you look in to the period of the Obama administration, most of us were very careful on what we said about POTUS and his henchmen. Mostly it was out of respect and reverence to the Office of the President but I think is because most of us live by our oath of commission and service values where we do not want to bring discredit or embarrassment to our service. Maybe I am "old school" but even though I (as a conservative) disagree with the Obama policies and some actions, I tried to show respect to the office. As to the current POTUS and his administration, I feel that they have not received the respect they are due. If I see anyone degrading President Trump on RP, rest assured I will call them out, vote down their post and then file a complaint to the system operators. We need to stay true to the values that make the American military the force of peace and decency it has become known for. LTC Stephen F. SSG Private RallyPoint Member

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Apr 18 at 2018 11:52 AM

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I'm sort of old school, but I think it is inappropriate for service members to express their political beliefs in public. They are certainly entitled to political opinions and to express those opinions at the ballot box. As a military officer and later as an Army Civilian, I did not talk about my political opinions in the workplace except on rate occasions.

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Apr 19 at 2018 10:14 AM

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Sir,
This whole thing has gotten so out of control is embarrassing. I have never cast a vote, ever. I'm originally from Puerto Rico and never voted for the governor there either, that's how much I care. Maybe someone might comment about my comment on why I'm saying what I'm saying if I don't vote. And that's right, maybe I shouldn't comment of this matter. But I did serve, and 20 years under three different Presidents, and in my opinion that gives me right to say something. I didn't like a lot things our government does and I don't now, but you will never see or hear say any degrading remarks about any of our leadership. When it was time for me to go to Bosnia, I got my butt on that plane, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I never questioned or expressed anything derogatory towards the President during those times. Shoot, I don't do it now! So, to those who served and those that are serving, we lived by high standards that a lot of people in our country don't want to live by. As far I know, this is a voluntary thing. If you volunteer, you need to act and conduct yourself accordingly at all times. If not, get out and go work at Burger King or McDonald's.

Response by SPC Thomas Smith made Apr 19 at 2018 5:35 PM

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Well I must admit I signed up without reading the full contract so I can not say if this is or should he a safe place. That would depend on the contract that we all agreed with. But each soldier especially active should understand that the ucmj is the over all governing body for them and if someone active decided to bring a case against them it would most likely stick. It would be no different then posting an ad in the newspaper. If they can trace it back to u than are screwed

Response by Maj Robert Thornton made Apr 19 at 2018 10:07 PM

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Thankfully we did not have the proliferation of social media that we have today while I was active. As an officer, one did not wish to be accused of trying to sway a junior regarding who to vote for in an upcoming election.
I don't believe any social media can be considered a "safe space" for any active service member to spout off their opinions regarding current politicians or those running for office.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2018 11:29 AM

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Despite my complete contempt for the last holder of the presidency, I was very careful to refrain from talking bad about him in public. I expect the same from others with regards to President Trump.

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Apr 21 at 2018 12:56 PM

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If you are bashing your Commander in Chief, take off the uniform and find somewhere to work where you can live that sort of life. I don't want to hear or see insubordinate behavior, and if you try to hold me hostage to your weaknesses, I'll be more than happy to turn you in. "My Ship, My Shipmate, Myself". Always in that order.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2018 4:44 PM

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Sir, similar things have been talked about on RP before. I personally feel like all service members serving or separated should have respect for one another and each other's opinions. That being said, we all know that if you still wear a uniform, what you say online can still get you into trouble. Just like when you show up to a political event in uniform or associate yourself with groups that are forbidden by the DoD; online activities are viewed in much of the same way. Those still serving should be careful what they say, because like it or not, the POTUS is our Commander-in-Chief (i.e. our boss). On a similar note, over a year ago there was a young Navy Seaman who made posts regarding her support for service members who disrespected the flag in uniform (such as not saluting/kneeling, etc.). Not only was she sharply reprimanded by many on RP, I heard her command also had to have a *talk* with her.

Response by MSgt John Everette made Apr 22 at 2018 8:49 AM

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If RP is a quote, unquote Safe Space that can be used by prior or actively serving military to disparage the CINC, then I don't want to be a part of it! So, suck it up buttercup!

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 22 at 2018 9:10 AM

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To answer the tactfully Go back and read your oath of enlistment The answer is in it. As for Retired No one has released me of my oath. The rest I would say need to let their decision be the guide. Now for safe places LOL nothing is absolutely safe.

Response by Maj Bruce Pawlak made Apr 22 at 2018 10:10 AM

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The POTUS is our Commander-in-Chief. This is all that needs to be said. Our professionalism alone should dictate our actions in this matter. We all know that when we entered the military we willingly "lost" certain constitutional rights in the interest of military discipline. You don't have to like those over you in the military chain of command... but you are compelled by the UCMJ to obey their orders while serving in uniform and by your professionalism once your serving days are over. Perhaps the only exception to this would be if you entered politics... and even then my personal opinion is that your professionalism should dictate an appropriate level of dignity in your political life.

In reality the only safe place for such an unprofessional discussion is between your ears... and as long as you don't communicate those thoughts to others you're always good to go.

Response by CPO Mark Robinson made Apr 22 at 2018 11:51 PM

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When I was a young E-5 I had a Gunnery Sergeant explain it to me. "Two subjects that all military personnel know everything about are sex and politics so there is no sense talking about it."

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2018 6:01 PM

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Doesn't bother me personally, but I'm pretty sure there's a reg against it.

Response by Marlene Hessler made Apr 25 at 2018 5:56 PM

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INSUBORDINATION is the term. ALL members of our military sign up to follow the Commander In Chief (CINC). Military discipline demands there be no freedom of speech while a member thereof..

A retired CSM once said it best. The military is of necessity A BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIP. There is but one purpose TO FIGHT TO WIN. No distractions.

Response by SGT Carolyn Bryant Johnson made Apr 26 at 2018 1:16 AM

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I believe that the office of the President should be respected. To disrespect that office, degrades the United States of America. So my answer no RallyPoint shouldn't allow it.

Response by COL Jack Taliaferro made Apr 26 at 2018 8:48 AM

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We're talking about the Commander-in-Chief for pete's sake.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2018 6:50 PM

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Flat out, no. If you're on active duty keep your personal opinions just that, personal. If you're a veteran then you're free to do as you please.

Response by 1SG Klayton W. Hayes made May 5 at 2018 5:05 PM

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BLUF: NO. We lead by example. Before we opine on any matter on this forum we should place our brain at Parade Rest and reply accordingly.

Response by SSG Dale London made May 7 at 2018 6:18 AM

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At what point do you stop honoring your oath of enlistment/appointment? POTUS is the Commander in Chief and every active service member, veteran and retiree has sworn an oath to protect the Constitution, to obey the orders of the President and to be subject to the UCMJ. Many, if not most of us invoked God to help us in this oath and so far as I know, there is no expiration date on my duty to honor my word.
I can understand that veterans and retirees feel at liberty to denigrate and even disrespect the President but I do not respect them for it. As for actively serving members, to do so, regardless of the forum, is a clear violation of the UCMJ.
In the interest of full disclosure, I served under President Clinton but I did not vote for him. I was and remain in fact viscerally opposed to nearly everything he represents. But while he was in office, I kept my mouth shut and did my job. My word and my honor are more important to me than my dislike of one man.
Allow me to nail my colors to the mast here. I like Donald Trump. No excuses. I think he's doing exactly what he promised to do so far as a recalcitrant congress and obstructive Democratic party will allow. But my support for him HERE comes not from my personal liking for the man but my honor-bound support for the office of POTUS.
Case in point: I did not like Barrack Obama but, even though I am no longer on active duty, while he was in office, I kept my thoughts to myself about him. I did not pick away at his character or verbally attack him. I did what the Constitution allows: I voted against him and for people who stood for what I DO believe in. This is what HONORABLE people do when they have sworn to uphold the Constitution and to obey the President.
Fmr Pres. Obama was elected by the people of the United States fair and square. The rules said he was the man and I play by the rules. Now that he is no longer in office I feel free to criticize him. I strongly suggest that those of you who have sworn the oath abide by it and keep your derogatory comments on Pres. Donald Trump to yourselves until he no longer holds the office. To do otherwise rips at the fabric of our nation and endangers ALL Americans.
I suppose it's as simple as this: what is more important to you? Your honor or your personal proclivities? Your answer will determine your actions.

Response by PO3 Grant Skiles made May 7 at 2018 9:32 AM

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I personally feel that Active members need to keep all opinions to themselves. The President is their ultimate leader and as such he needs to be given all respect for the position that they hold. Fortunately they are voted in every four years. If you do not like this individual you can vote for someone else or get out where they are not in your direct command. Veterans have put in the time. They are not a part of the chain of command any more. You will find that most Veterans will not openly disrespect the President even when they do not like what they are doing. What many of us do is join political parties and actively help that party. This is done through donating money, giving time for campaigns or even running far an office themselves. All of these help to make changes in our government. It also keeps our government fresh with new ideas. Respect the position of the President of the United States.

Response by MSgt Randall Arnold made May 7 at 2018 6:53 PM

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My personal thoughts are that criticism of the Commander in Chief is a big no, that in today's social media environment can be career suicide. Perhaps one should reserve any such remarks until no longer on active duty.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made May 7 at 2018 7:37 PM

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can we discuss political topics - absolutely - but - saying disparaging remarks online about the POTUS while on active duty is playing with fire - there is some fine print on your enlistment contract that states - you have suspended constitutional rights in order to promote good order and discipline - or some such disclaimer - bottom line - if you are AD - its probably best if you avoid any political discussion and learn to distinguish those that make a political post in order to get an emotional response from you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 4:12 AM

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I served under 6 different Commander In Chiefs, I also served under many other Commanders and not ONCE did I say or wrote anything bad of any of them, I have bite my tongue many times because once it's out for all to hear or see it cant be taken back. Some things you just keep to yourself because when you wear the Uniform there is no safe place for what you say, so say nothing.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made May 13 at 2018 11:09 PM

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Sorry, but he is still your "Commander in Chief" [Article 2 US Constitution]; and for us enlisted "... obey the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed ..."

Response by SGT Gary Stemen made May 16 at 2018 12:18 AM

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First amendment rights aside, insubordination penalties apply when lack of respect is noted.... that is like the definition of rape; penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the act.....

Response by SSG Lee Kujawa made May 16 at 2018 10:06 PM

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In the civilian worker world, in most cases, if a worker decides to tip his/her boss, they risk bring fired. The same should hold true for the military, only much more strict. They rip the POTUS, their boss, they should be discharged.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made May 16 at 2018 10:31 PM

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Regardless of its legal or military ramifications, I believe the President of the United States should not be disparaged by an active duty military member. Threats to life or limb are never to be tolerated. Captain Jack's comments are fully on target.

Response by Sgt Mike B made May 17 at 2018 9:28 PM

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RallyPoint is structured so that people, via their avatar, are putting out their comments in a "military capacity" of sorts. If the masses, or the media, for example, stumble upon a thread trash-talking the President, do you think they'd hesitate to point out all these active service members and veterans are think X Y Z to push their agenda? Same theory if RP members were trash-talking Obama during his Presidency and the networks took advantage of that.

If someone wants to advocate for positions out of uniform on their own time, go at it... but if they are currently serving, they need to be absolutely sure there is no conflating the two. RallyPoint, by design, conflates the two. They should save that for facebook or other political endeavors. Doubly so given the potential publicity.

Response by Jerry Rivas made May 18 at 2018 3:52 PM

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Response by MSG Danny Mathers made May 18 at 2018 5:18 PM

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This is a no brainer for me, No. Those that are dumb enough to disrespect the POTUS while on active duty deserve what they might get. A person's words can get them in trouble even as a civilian. This forum is no different than FB as far as closet skeletons for all to see and evaluate.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made May 18 at 2018 5:24 PM

2018-05-18T17:24:22-04:00

No, it is not, nor should it be tolerated. Once you retired or get out, then it is fair game, but the laws is specific for officers, and for senior NCO's to do it degrades them and their Corp.

Response by LTC John Griscom made May 18 at 2018 10:10 PM

2018-05-18T22:10:28-04:00

I was told if you are active duty, you have limited First Amendment. Being vocal in a degrading manner toward POTUS and other leaders in the chain of command can have dire consequences on your career, including possible UCMJ action.
The military is an apolitical career; if you don't like that, suck it up until you shed the uniform.

Response by PO2 William Kennison made May 19 at 2018 5:24 PM

2018-05-19T17:24:40-04:00

I feel that as long as you're on active duty you're sworn to the CinC which means keep your politics to yourself. I started my service under Carter and couldn't stand him but he was my Commander in Chief and that was the line.

Response by CAPT Steve Kelley made May 20 at 2018 4:22 PM

2018-05-20T16:22:01-04:00

It is absolutely NOT acceptable for active duty members to disparage the POTUS.

Response by SSG Rick Stankiewicz made May 20 at 2018 7:00 PM

2018-05-20T19:00:08-04:00

No. Definitely not

Response by Cpl Bob Cloninger made May 21 at 2018 11:10 PM

2018-05-21T23:10:30-04:00

Many troops and veterans spoke out vehemently against President Obama - were they disciplined? Yes, citizens have the right and responsibility speak out when they disagree, but, we are still responsible for following lawful orders.

Response by CPO David Sharp made May 22 at 2018 9:49 AM

2018-05-22T09:49:48-04:00

The UCMJ, to my knowledge, does not recognize "safe spaces". Remember the Monica Lewinski and then President Clinton issue? Word came through the Command anyone making or participating in jokes would face a Court Martial. When you on Active Duty or in a Reserve Unit, you have no first amendment rights when it comes to the POTUS, aka, Commander In Chief or I believe any sitting member of the House or Senate.

Response by Cpl Robert Thomson made May 22 at 2018 11:39 AM

2018-05-22T11:39:30-04:00

I cannot stomach the various acts & statements our current POTUS has committed. In fact, I believe POTUS has committed at least two counts of treason! One with Russia and now one with China. If I were still active duty USMC & not retired, I would not publicly make these statements. My oath would include certain respect for the CIC. However, upon retirement, my only oath is to our constitution and country. I believe our current POTUS is beholden to foreign interests due to personal business commitments. That is treason and a huge conflict of interest that POTUS, family and friends seem very willing to engage in! Very sad times for our already great USA that has always been great. I cannot believe so many of my brothers still openly support such a man over country?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2018 12:28 PM

2018-05-22T12:28:48-04:00

COL Private RallyPoint Member Sir, absolutely not. Even on their own Facebook pages that do not show any pictures of them in uniform is not appropriate for them to degrade POTUS. There is a perception that anyone in uniform speaks for the Armed Forces regardless if we are in uniform or not. UCMJ is not voided because someone wants to become a cyber warrior.

Response by PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith made May 23 at 2018 9:10 PM

2018-05-23T21:10:36-04:00

Freedom of speech is the reason we have a military and to say those serving should keep their mouths shut is typical commissioned officer behavior.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made May 23 at 2018 9:45 PM

2018-05-23T21:45:17-04:00

No sir it is not ok. We have a duty (that we all willingly accepted) to serve, and that includes respect for that office regardless of who holds it.
Veterans have had their freedom of speech restored and are able to speak as they wish. I would not expect disrespect to present on this site however.

Response by SPC Jeff Smith made May 24 at 2018 6:34 PM

2018-05-24T18:34:40-04:00

It's a tough question, and I'd be the first to admit that I don't know the relevant regs, so I will confine my comments to what I believe SHOULD be.
I think active service members are guaranteed the same basic rights as any other American, but I also recognize that we all agreed to put SOME of our rights on hold for our tenure of service. I think expecting service members to be apolitical is unreasonable, especially where those who make a career of it are concerned. At the same time, being wildly critical of the command structure, including the CIC, is inappropriate.
Were I in charge of writing the rules, stating your beliefs would be acceptable so long as 1) statements are kept civil, without outrageous exaggeration and mudslinging, 2) the statements do not compromise operational security, and 3) the statements are clearly posted as private opinion.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2018 7:33 AM

2018-05-25T07:33:14-04:00

This is a problem that has existed for a long time. When Obama was POTUS, I regularly had conversations with my guys about how they needed to knock off the negative, degrading commentary. I didn’t tell them my position on it, just that they couldn’t say what they were saying. They HATED that I was saying they couldn’t vent at work. It seems that those same people now think their actions aren’t acceptable from others.

They aren’t......and they weren’t from those disparaging Obama either. When you retire, have a nut. While you are in, share your support of his policy desicsions or share nothing....and don’t campaign for anyone.

Response by Thomas Bryant made May 25 at 2018 9:09 AM

2018-05-25T09:09:25-04:00

Response by SGM Jeffrey Hall made May 25 at 2018 6:11 PM

2018-05-25T18:11:18-04:00

It is improper for active duty or reserve service members to denigrate the Commander in Chief in a public forum. This includes members of all branches of the Uniformed Services.

Response by SFC Carl Bengry made May 26 at 2018 10:23 PM

2018-05-26T22:23:05-04:00

SFC Carlton Bengry US Army

We has a civilian Commander in Chief. Voted for by the voters of the united states. We made an oath. To Me a sacred oath. Has that oath changed? I have always believed POTUS deserves ours obediances and support until our service has expired. No question. the luxury of looking back is for later

Response by CPL Donald Burkman made May 27 at 2018 7:23 AM

2018-05-27T07:23:31-04:00

No it is not right. Should not be allowed

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made May 27 at 2018 1:43 PM

2018-05-27T13:43:20-04:00

Veterans yes military no when you enlist you give up certain rights in order to preserve others rights!

Response by SPC Brent Melton made May 27 at 2018 3:45 PM

2018-05-27T15:45:46-04:00

The real question is, did you have a problem with it when Obama was president?

Response by CPO David Ransom made May 27 at 2018 11:53 PM

2018-05-27T23:53:38-04:00

I seem to remember when I was in that we could criticize policies, but being disrespectful to individuals was a punishable offense.

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made May 29 at 2018 2:56 PM

2018-05-29T14:56:12-04:00

I've not read the other comments - so forgive me if I am redundant. I believe - to a point - we have first amendment rights as active members - BUT --- I DO NOT, under any circumstances, believe we have a right to disrespect the POTUS - he IS our Commander In Chief. If you don't like your boss - keep it to yourself - or quit. I had a civilian boss at one time who taught her employees - if you don't like the way things are - change them - in positive ways - if you're going to bad-mouth the people you work for - and don't care to try to make changes - get out. Say what you want to OUT - but not while you're working there. I'm probably not saying this in a clear and concise manner, but I did the best I could. She had little respect for people who left and THEN bad-mouthed - her feeling was you should have stayed and tried to make things better, but you didn't. so you have no right to say anything. Don't like the POTUS - well, then, VOTE.
My BCT Drill told us right off the bus - this is NOT a Democracy - if that's a problem, get back on the bus, they'd get you home.

Response by LTC Dusty Smith made May 30 at 2018 4:39 PM

2018-05-30T16:39:01-04:00

No. He is their COMMANDER.

Response by Sgt Ivan Kenter made May 31 at 2018 4:15 PM

2018-05-31T16:15:38-04:00

No, you take the kings shilling, you do the kings bidding.

Response by PO1 Walter Aitken made Jun 2 at 2018 12:47 PM

2018-06-02T12:47:20-04:00

Active duty need to be held to the standards of the UCMJ. Either serve your Commander in Chief or hit the road.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Jun 3 at 2018 6:11 PM

2018-06-03T18:11:57-04:00

Unfortunately I have witnessed this myself. I hold my political views to myself as religion and politics are seldom good subjects for conversation in groups of people. As a retiree I am fully aware that I am still very much subject to the provisions of art. 88 of the UCMJ as I was while on active duty. I would rather not have some degrading remark made in the heat of debate come back and bite me in the backside.

Response by Sgt Douglas Berger made Jun 3 at 2018 6:54 PM

2018-06-03T18:54:05-04:00

Degrading remarks about the President of the United States is not appropriate. Over the years the 1st amendment rights have been used to excuse bad behavior. Politicians have used and abused it for year and have discredited themselves.

Often I listen to discussion on the floor, and hearing politicians elected by the people flat out lie and misrepresent facts.

It bothered me enough for me to call the ethics committee about a Senator who outright made statements of facts that were not factual. I felt he should be required to correct his statements,

The response was: They are all protected by their 1st amendment right and floor did not have a fact finding group. So they can say whatever they want... without consequences. Just as they do with their campaign speeches, Miss Nix and myself have been calling the politicians out by asking them questions that are factual. The common response is no response. The effort is to raise awareness.

With that said I have low regard for anyone making dispersing comment about our President. It is disrespectful to our Flag, and a disgraceful. At the same time they have the right to say whatever they want as I have the right to ignore.

Response by CPT Philip Bailey made Jun 3 at 2018 7:24 PM

2018-06-03T19:24:37-04:00

Let's take this out of the military, for just a minute. Do you believe it is acceptable to publically make disparaging remarks about your boss or even his boss? No! Not if you want to work there very long. There is an old saying: "You don't bite the hand that feeds you!"

Response by SN Kristi Kalis made Jun 5 at 2018 5:44 PM

2018-06-05T17:44:43-04:00

Article 88 refers only to active duty Officers. However, "DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty. Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation." So active duty members enlisted and WO of the military are prohibited from making these comments while on active duty only (Full-time or training). If a person is a member of the Reserves or Guard, and they are not on active duty, they have the right to say what they want. Infringing on 1A would be a violation. The Constitution is a higher authority than the UCMJ.

Response by CPO Roger Yaste made Jun 5 at 2018 7:25 PM

2018-06-05T19:25:53-04:00

Disparage the commander in Chief while on active duty and you will be seeking other employment while enjoying a big chicken dinner. That is a very big no-no in the regulations.

Response by SGT Rich Levesque made Jun 7 at 2018 2:06 PM

2018-06-07T14:06:58-04:00

As a serving member of the US Military, I was reminded on many an occasion that we were there to preserve the Constitution of the United States, not to practice its principles. As a veteran of that service, I have an unmitigated right to criticize it if I feel that I must. Either way, I must protect it. As active duty military, I believe we wave that right when we put up our right hand and as long as that oath remains in effect. My humble opinion.

Response by SGT Rich Levesque made Jun 7 at 2018 2:13 PM

2018-06-07T14:13:32-04:00

Not for Active Duty personnel. So No is the answer.

Response by SSG(P) Dan Keene made Jun 10 at 2018 3:49 AM

2018-06-10T03:49:26-04:00

No Sir, it is not. AD members are freely disrespecting superiors and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Veterans no longer fall under MCM and UCMJ. Before somebody even starts: I DID NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP, but would eat a bullet before willingly voting for Hitlery.

Response by SMSgt Michael Wood made Jun 10 at 2018 2:07 PM

2018-06-10T14:07:51-04:00

I served from '71 - '04. During that time, there have been a few Presidents and more than a few policies that were disagreeable. During those 33 years, I did not ONCE disparage our President (outside of home discussions). Since retirement, THAT'S been a different matter entirely. Your oath covers your adherence to our Commander in Chief. However once retired, your freedom of speech rights return.

Response by SPC Ray Hicks made Jun 16 at 2018 4:51 PM

2018-06-16T16:51:08-04:00

Absolutely NOT .

Response by Sgt Ryan Sinclair made Jun 17 at 2018 1:23 PM

2018-06-17T13:23:57-04:00

Retired Vets use your rights, they have been earned. Active service members, stay on the hush but when you sneak some whiskey in your room and get entirely way to drunk with some boot buddies. Shit talk is gonna happen but they are getting NJP’d for the whiskey. Not for saying “Trump is a Turd”.

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Jun 19 at 2018 12:14 PM

2018-06-19T12:14:46-04:00

Active duty, no.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2018 12:57 AM

2018-06-20T00:57:08-04:00

Absolutely NOT, the POTUS is OUR commander in chief, and although you may disagree OR "feel" a certain way under no extenuating circumstances should anyone in this great nation's armed forces degrade the POTUS regardless of their party affiliation.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2018 9:48 AM

2018-06-21T09:48:10-04:00

Yet another double standard I have seen in the past 2 years. Had these service members been that disrespectful and vocal then, there would have been social and professional consequences.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Jun 21 at 2018 9:59 AM

2018-06-21T09:59:59-04:00

We all have our political preferences BUT (and there always is one) when in uniform as a service member you give up some of your Constitutional rights...specifically the right to openly voice dissent against the government. You certainly have the right to your opinion but not while in uniform, in public and definitely within earshot of an open mic. If I recall correctly doing so may be a violation of the UCMJ. Times like these is best to bite your tongue and adhere to the old adage that "you don't discuss religion or politics."

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 22 at 2018 2:12 PM

2018-06-22T14:12:43-04:00

No, once you get the coveted (R), maybe, but why push it.

Response by Sgt Johnny Shotwell made Jun 26 at 2018 8:58 PM

2018-06-26T20:58:47-04:00

NO He is their Boss so to speak

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2018 2:31 AM

2018-06-27T02:31:42-04:00

No for the mere fact that it is a slippery slope. The President is at the top of the chain of command. If it is ok to disparage the President then what about those lower on the chain of command, how closely to ones immediate superior could one get. It could ( notice I said could not necessarily would ) degrade good order and discipline and negatively effect a unit.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2018 2:25 PM

2018-06-27T14:25:09-04:00

Negative, especially nothing negative about this President. Heck, he is smarter than the Generals.As many times the President has visited the Troops in a combat zone, he deserves all active duty servicemembers loyalty. The law dictates it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2018 2:27 PM

2018-06-27T14:27:00-04:00

To me the service members mocking the Space Force was treading in bad territory

Response by MSgt Terry Southern made Jun 27 at 2018 10:05 PM

2018-06-27T22:05:50-04:00

All citizens have the right to their options but active duty military should never make bad remarks in public especially in uniform

Response by LTC Jerel Pawley made Jun 29 at 2018 10:22 PM

2018-06-29T22:22:40-04:00

NO, This not a place for active duty personnel to share private opinions. Anything voiced here can be seen by a large number of people and somewhat possibly within one's chain of command. Active duty members need to keep their political opinions, particularly of the Commander in Chief, to themselves or at least within a very closed circle.

Response by SPC Christopher Murano made Jun 30 at 2018 8:44 PM

2018-06-30T20:44:10-04:00

As a civilian I have the absolute right to express any negative opinions. If, however, I identify myself as a former 11Bravo, my opinions would be expressed in a much more considered manner.

Response by Sgt John Mizell made Jul 1 at 2018 11:35 PM

2018-07-01T23:35:47-04:00

when, you raise your hand, you give your word of honor to support whoever holds the office, while on active duty, that being said I was asked one time what I thought about the Vietnam War, the person was a U.S. Congressman , my cousin, the Marine Core got upset about my answer.

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Jul 2 at 2018 3:56 PM

2018-07-02T15:56:21-04:00

No. if our own military can't show respect for their leader, how do you think the rest of the world see's the U.S.A.. like him or not he is your commander , and it plays on the world stage. you work for a company and call the owner or boss SOB or continue degrade him, how long do you think you will have that job.

Response by CW4 Charles "Spike" Smith made Jul 5 at 2018 12:01 PM

2018-07-05T12:01:14-04:00

I held my personal views of four Presidents during my 23 years of active duty service. I made the choice to retire when I could no longer follow the path our Commander in Chief was taking in several geopolitical situations. I made no overt verbal comments. I simply utilized my right to retire. And i still believe this course of action was the appropriate one to take versus making disparaging remarks of my C in C ....

Response by SSgt Holden M. made Jul 5 at 2018 12:13 PM

2018-07-05T12:13:59-04:00

Short answer is no. Longer answer is still no but with some explanation. I don't specifically remember what article it is but I remember being told about and reading it for myself about being disrespectful of those in your chain of command and it was different then the one about disrespecting an NCO. So when I was in my opinion on anything POTUS did was that I had no opinion. I told a few people that my opinion was that I had no opinion as long as I was in the military and/or as long as he was in office at the same time. After Obama finished his time I can now say that I wasn't a fan of Obama, but anyway as long as POTUS is POTUS and you are in the military and they are technically in your chain of command as commander in chief I would keep my mouth shut. I also did the same thing with the supervisors or individuals I wasn't fond of in my chain of command. I still had respect for the rank but not the individual but as long as they were in my chain of command I said nothing about them.

Response by FN Harold Young made Jul 5 at 2018 3:39 PM

2018-07-05T15:39:12-04:00

You do not degrade your Commander and Chief

Response by SPC Mason Wells made Jul 6 at 2018 11:14 PM

2018-07-06T23:14:24-04:00

I believe if you're not spewing political remarks while in uniform or on duty you are exercising your first amendment, the same cannot be said for when you are at your place of duty. I think when you're at work you should just focus on work and respect your leaders, even if you disagree with them.

Response by CPO George Miller made Jul 9 at 2018 12:02 PM

2018-07-09T12:02:00-04:00

Not only no, but hell no! I believe an oath was taken to support and defend/ to obey ALL orders of the commander in chief ...

Response by SFC Donald York made Jul 10 at 2018 11:00 PM

2018-07-10T23:00:23-04:00

Response by SGT Tim. Wilson made Jul 11 at 2018 7:14 PM

2018-07-11T19:14:53-04:00

For the longest time, when I was active, I didn't vote in presidential elections. My beliefs were, like the line later coined I believe on "West Wing." I serve at the pleasure of the President or something like that. But I didn't feel that I should vote for one just in case I have to take orders from the other. Maybe that's why I'm an independent these days. I vote more on issues and a candidates beliefs and responses.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 made Jul 11 at 2018 9:11 PM

2018-07-11T21:11:37-04:00

LTC Private RallyPoint Member Use of ‘Anonymous‘ as a ID on Rally Point annoys me.

No problem, to prevent myself from accidently giving them a vote, I recently ‘blocked’ all of them I could locate!

Seek responsiblity and accept responsibility !

Response by LTC Bill Morgan made Jul 12 at 2018 3:36 PM

2018-07-12T15:36:14-04:00

Publicly disparaging remarks about the Commander-in-Chief, or anyone in the chain of command, is punishable under the UCMJ. If those currently on active duty may want to exercise their First Amendment rights they should first separate from the Service. It has been almost a half century and I still remember in Vietnam my battalion commander's admonition that we were there to defend democracy; not to practice it.

Response by MSG Manuel Garcia made Jul 12 at 2018 7:51 PM

2018-07-12T19:51:13-04:00

As our brothers and sisters on here we paid our dues and couldn’t wait to get out of active status so you can express your concerns about any issues without retaliations.
ALSO, none of us had the experience of serving under a President who’s so volatile, that you don’t know when the next World War will start because of his mouth. He constantly say one thing and does something else and lacks deplomacy when dealing internationally, never the less domestically.
His behavior in office caters the behavior of our young generation wearing the uniform. He is fostering that behavior by his own actions and although many of us old heads are wondering what in the hell is going on, truly our president cares less.
Knowing of him back in the 70s in New York, that’s how he performs. He loves to bring chaos to rattle chains, sit back and watch, and if it fails, he moves on to another issue and try again.
How can you punish someone, when your Leader is doing the same thing?

Response by SPC James Lunn made Jul 13 at 2018 2:27 PM

2018-07-13T14:27:17-04:00

Sure. And why not trash your C.O., X.O. and your N.C.O.I.C. He is the "Commander in Cheif" of the Armed forces. He should be respected. At least publicly.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Jul 13 at 2018 3:27 PM

2018-07-13T15:27:34-04:00

Definately not! I believe it is against regualtions and could be punishable under UCMJ.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Jul 13 at 2018 7:47 PM

2018-07-13T19:47:09-04:00

What you do in uniform matters, what you do OUT of uniform and NOT identifying yourself as a member of the military is another matter! There are limits one must use thier discretion

Response by SFC Richard Baerlocher made Jul 14 at 2018 8:32 PM

2018-07-14T20:32:04-04:00

I am a retired member of the military, and I always followed the idea that the President is our Commander in Chief, and we never spoke bad about him. Even if you dislike the President it is wrong to disparage him as a military member anywhere!

Response by SGT Jim Sewell made Jul 15 at 2018 10:05 AM

2018-07-15T10:05:43-04:00

Active memebers of the US Armed Forces should NOT be allowed to make disparaging remarks about the POTUS. He is their CINC. Period. They are in the military and they need to remember they are in the military.

Response by SSgt Jim White made Jul 18 at 2018 6:03 PM

2018-07-18T18:03:29-04:00

The UCMJ should be updated, plain and simple.

Response by Sgt Al Thompson made Jul 23 at 2018 1:49 AM

2018-07-23T01:49:00-04:00

NO!

Much of the comments I see come from misinformation spread by the media. So it puts people in the position of expressing political opinion and thus engaging in political activity, which is forbidden by the Hatch Act for federal employees.

Response by PO2 W Scott Decker made Jul 23 at 2018 11:41 AM

2018-07-23T11:41:15-04:00

Look when you're active duty and you're under the UCMJ (technically many times we've discussed on RP that Vets and especially Retired can sometimes be under the UCMJ as well) and the end-all catch-all Code is: Conduct Unbecoming. This Code covers anything you might do or say that might be considered disparaging on or to your branch of the service, the military in general or the command structure of the same, etc. Let's not forget POTUS is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and therefore your commanding officer. No matter social media or not, if I got caught making derogatory comments about anybody in my chain of command in a public manner (i.e. social media) my ass would be grass, in my command would be a lawn mower, rightly so!

Response by MSgt Christopher Colburn made Jul 27 at 2018 7:57 AM

2018-07-27T07:57:14-04:00

As a retired service member of the USAF for 23 years, I've felt my duty was to serve and protect the Constitution of the United States and my country. I have served under a number of POTUS' and continued my service in my original loyalty. The POTUS IS my Commander in Chief and I completed my duty as he ordered. When it came for my own retirement I was shocked and a bit discerned that some of my fellow retiring constituents would NOT retire because of the serving POTUS signature on their retirement certificate. Bottom line is I may not always agree with the decisions of the American people that the POTUS follows through with, but I should always keep my personal feelings OUT from the public (and service community) and do the service I had sworn to do 'under oath'! Some of our Commanders give service members the opportunity to become "Commander for the Day" and are free to do command and implement (within the law) what they feel is good for the organization. The opportunity to make change! Think of this; what, where, when and how would YOU react and do (change) if you were in 'their shoes'?

Response by 1SG David Niles made Jul 27 at 2018 2:43 PM

2018-07-27T14:43:00-04:00

I think that many think they will not be held accountable, and I think they are right. What they say and do can lead to UCMJ action. But unless it happens it will not stop. This the state our military discipline is currently at.

Response by SGT Mary Martel made Jul 29 at 2018 12:45 AM

2018-07-29T00:45:54-04:00

Sir,
In the UCMJ, Article 88 is Contempt towards Officials which only applies to Officers in the military (since the President is who "appoints" them). If said individual is enlisted, then it might fall under Article 134. I do not know the legalities of posting in/on RP, however, the best advice always is to talk to your JAG.

Response by Cpl Jim Zimmerman made Aug 2 at 2018 7:25 AM

2018-08-02T07:25:10-04:00

No.

Response by MSG Frank Kapaun made Aug 2 at 2018 11:40 PM

2018-08-02T23:40:12-04:00

I have been retired since 2005. That said, my tongue still has horizontal ridges on it where I bit it to keep from criticizing that degenerate, hillbilly horn dog from Arkansas, William Jefferson Clinton.

Response by SPC Thomas Kendra made Aug 3 at 2018 1:33 PM

2018-08-03T13:33:41-04:00

Its a whole different Military in today's World. I hear and read today's soldiers complaining about everything from not having enough time to finish college degrees during active duty, gender reassignment surgery to what type of disability can they get. I have learned to accept that but strongly agree that you hold your tongue and treat your chain of command with the respect of that position. The POTUS has treated the Military with respect and is not afraid to show it. If he fails then it means that we have failed with him. I am saying that you should support your chain of command or get the F@#k out. That is the Infantry in Me where insubordination is very toxic and hazardous to your life in the battlefield.

SPC Kendra
Bco 3/327th Infantry

Response by SGT Scott Moreland made Aug 3 at 2018 6:49 PM

2018-08-03T18:49:00-04:00

With all due respect, I don't care about even trying to answer these questions. What are you doing as a leader to proactively counter the effects of media on your service members so they don't say or do something uninformed or ill-advised?

Response by SN Kevin Neff made Aug 5 at 2018 11:42 AM

2018-08-05T11:42:49-04:00

No. Definitely not. It’s actually against the UCMJ if I recall correctly. It’s also just plain dumb.

Response by SN Kevin Neff made Aug 5 at 2018 11:44 AM

2018-08-05T11:44:51-04:00

RP, while smaller than other platforms, is still a social media platform. If necessary, these posts and threads can be pulled.

Response by SSgt Patrick Duncan made Aug 5 at 2018 12:24 PM

2018-08-05T12:24:21-04:00

I'm happy I no longer serve,because i know I could not be a part of this lying nut case military.He is a complete whakko!!!

Response by Sgt James De Napoli made Aug 6 at 2018 12:34 AM

2018-08-06T00:34:48-04:00

Negative, whatever else the man may be, he is still the commander in chief... There's no such thing as a "safe space" as an active duty service member you are under oath 24/7.. Is this a legit topic??

Response by PO1 Ken Deschler made Aug 7 at 2018 5:34 AM

2018-08-07T05:34:35-04:00

No it is not

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Aug 7 at 2018 9:28 AM

2018-08-07T09:28:31-04:00

It's a shame when they cross that line. It feels like there's a gulf between contemptuous words and being critical of specific policy. It annoys me no matter who is President.

"Trump is literally Hitler" vs. "You know, I really have problems with these tariffs."

Response by SFC James Welch made Aug 8 at 2018 7:19 PM

2018-08-08T19:19:31-04:00

No, while you are in uniform you represent the United States Of America and the President is your Commander IN Chief. Any disrespect should not be tollarated!

Response by CMSgt Randy Beck made Aug 9 at 2018 12:34 PM

2018-08-09T12:34:33-04:00

It is a shame that people cannot remember the oath they took when they enlisted, which is to obey the orders of those appointed over them, which includes the president. All military members are to be technically, physically, spiritually and mentally ready to carry out their duties as assigned to them. I believe if you have an issue with that, then you need to seek help. If you have problems with the POTUS then you need to seek the guidance and counseling you need to be either be able to support the person, or, find the right avenue to be discharged. All of us who served in the past 40 or so years volunteered to do so, if you cannot support your nation and its leadership, no matter who it is, then you probably should be looking for employment elsewhere. One other thing, it amazes me how so many people will not give President Trump the benefit of the doubt when it comes to who the man is today versus who he was in the past. People can and do change, I know I have as I got older, and I believe our president has changed for the positive as well over the past few years.

Response by SSgt David Marks made Aug 10 at 2018 11:56 PM

2018-08-10T23:56:17-04:00

As to the question asked. No, active duty and/or active reservist should not be allowed to comment with disrespect to their Commander in Chief. Now discussing political things, as long as no disrespect is shown towards their Commander in Chief or any other superiors.

Response by Maj Rob Drury made Aug 11 at 2018 8:51 PM

2018-08-11T20:51:48-04:00

There is no "safe space" where proper bearing and protocol don't matter regarding active duty troops, so clearly they are in violation. More importantly perhaps, anyone who disparages the current president clearly lacks sufficient intellect and clarity to perform as a member of the US military. For the veterans who do, I'm just thankful that they're out, because they were never qualified to serve.

Response by LCDR Robert Gotwals made Aug 16 at 2018 6:49 AM

2018-08-16T06:49:02-04:00

"I solemnly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign AND domestic...."

Response by SGT George Duncan made Aug 16 at 2018 10:05 PM

2018-08-16T22:05:06-04:00

maybe they do think like that, but he is the boss and if you don't like it go home where you feel safe

Response by Sgt Mervyn Russell made Aug 17 at 2018 11:48 PM

2018-08-17T23:48:58-04:00

When you join the military you lose your political rights except to vote. The military is not a democracy, The President is the Supreme commander of the military, he is your boss, even in the work place in civilian life you do not say bad things about you boss and expect to keep your job. The President is The President Of the United States of America and should be treated with respect. Never in American history had any President been treated so unfairly as Donald Trump. I did not vote for Trump nor did I vote for Obama but anyone that's voted into the office of the President should be treated as the leader of the United States. No one is in a place of power unless God has allowed it.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Aug 20 at 2018 9:52 PM

2018-08-20T21:52:23-04:00

No matter what the opinion of any active service member is the UCMJ is very clear. Obey all lawful orders given by the chain of command. POTUS is in that chain of command.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Aug 20 at 2018 10:37 PM

2018-08-20T22:37:12-04:00

No, I don't believe it's appropriate for active duty. it undermines the COC. Thai said, we are all governed by the constitution and are duty bound to point out violations when we see them regardless of politics.

Response by LTC Philip Sharp made Aug 26 at 2018 11:17 PM

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What 1st Ammendment right applies here? Courts have consistently held that disparaging comments are an offense under UCMJ. This isn't a new issue, this also occurred in the last administration.

Response by SSG Paul Carrier made Aug 28 at 2018 11:42 AM

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General George Marshal not only did not vote but chose to keep his political thoughts to himself.
A good example for active duty members to follow.

Response by SSG Paul Carrier made Aug 28 at 2018 11:43 AM

2018-08-28T11:43:00-04:00

General George Marshal not only did not vote he kept his political opinions to himself.

Response by SGT Jonathan Smith made Aug 30 at 2018 9:27 PM

2018-08-30T21:27:23-04:00

Are we talking privately, (i.e.: Personal Facebook, Instagram, RP, etc.) Or to a media outlet "on the record"?
Active duty or veteran, there is no way that we can disapprove of ANY hindrance of the 1st Amendment, period.
I could always tell my battle buddies about how much of an a-hole the 1st SGT, Captain, or Major is. If I have that right, then I obviously have the right to speak openly about my political beliefs. As a rule in my unit, we agreed to keep those conversations, along with religion, out in an open forum.
We as soldiers swore an oath to FIRST protect the Constitution. Second, to our leadership. That is why a soldier has the right to refuse an unlawful order.
Free speech is free speech.

Response by MAJ David Atkinson made Aug 30 at 2018 11:07 PM

2018-08-30T23:07:27-04:00

Absolutely not.

Response by Sgt John H. made Sep 2 at 2018 11:02 PM

2018-09-02T23:02:20-04:00

Active members need to mind their miltary decorum and keep political comments to themselves. If not, they need to find a different line of work.

Response by CPT T. Scott Haddix made Sep 5 at 2018 2:53 PM

2018-09-05T14:53:12-04:00

Not on Social media, to their friends, family or loved ones yes, but not in a public forum. They have been warned about public displays of such actions, they should know better than to publish such things on Social media. Call or text a friend and vent that way. Don't be stupid and get caught putting it out there for all to see.

Response by HN Kathleen M Peck made Sep 5 at 2018 6:13 PM

2018-09-05T18:13:21-04:00

Safe space, Social Media, no matter if it's RP, FB, or Twitter etc., is no place to discuss politics. If people could learn to discuss politics without becoming angry and accusatory it would be fine; but that's not going to happen. Case in point, Hillary Clinton.

Response by LCDR Ernest Heassler made Sep 8 at 2018 3:50 PM

2018-09-08T15:50:50-04:00

Bashing the CIC in what amounts to a public forum is always a breach of the UCMJ. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to air it publicly. My advice is, "Don't"!

Response by MSgt Paul Sanchez (Ret) made Sep 9 at 2018 3:51 PM

2018-09-09T15:51:10-04:00

First time responding to a RP question. Plz forgive if this was already posted 28 times below.

First, read this:

ARTICLE 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
10. Punitive Articles
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Article 134. General article:
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Second, Article 88 seems pretty clear, BUT ONLY for COMMISSIONED officers. What about Enlisted? Article 134 seems clear to me, "all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces,". Enlisted using contemptuous, disparaging, demeaning, etc... words against the President, or even the officers and NCO's appointed above them, seems to be against "the prejudice of good order and discipline".

Third, Note that as a military member of any rank, you cannot attend a political event in uniform, PERIOD. You DO have the freedom to attend in civvies, but not in uniform.

Fourth, when you VOLUNTARILY signed up, you made yourself subject to rules and laws that do not apply to our civilian population. When you add the sum of the UCMJ together, there's lots of stuff that you can't do anymore. And it's all based on the idea that on the battlefield, there's no time for voting. Your leaders say jump, and you ask how high? Or people die. That simple idea is the bedrock for everything in the military.

Now with all of that said, I do NOT believe that a Veteran of any rank falls under any of these articles. So Veterans, fire away! But while on Active duty, nope.

BUT WAIT, what does "contemptuous" mean? Merriam-Websters defines it as, "Definition of contemptuous: manifesting, feeling, or expressing deep hatred or disapproval : feeling or showing contempt." So can a officer or enlisted person write a post disagreeing with a policy, WITHOUT (basically) cussing out the Prez? Well it's a thin line, but I'd argue YES THEY CAN. The thin line comes in when your on duty and you disagree with the order that your CO just gave the unit. Publicly disagreeing with that order is VERY dangerous, but if you politely (and privately) disagree, but then fully comply, well it depends on the service and officer.

So what about the President? Posting an opinion, with respect but disagreement, but still obeying "...the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice." seems within limits. But I am not a lawyer, I just play one on FB...

But that's the enlisted version, what about officers? Their oath doesn't say a word about orders. That's where Article 88 comes in. Hmmm...

Bottom-line to me. For officers, if you keep it within the lines, maybe... For enlisted, again if you keep it within the lines, probably. Either way, an aggressive CO could try to take it to a court, but a good defense atty could argue them out of it. The key is the insult. Don't make it personal, make your point on the facts, offer your opinion, but stay respectful, and you should be ok.

Vets, not on AD, Guard, or Reserve duty, should be immune from all of the above, unless you add threats to the post. Then you might expect a visit from the Secret Service. And that applies to everyone.

One last opinion, if arguments on social media, from all sides, stuck to this principle, stay with the facts, offer your opinion, don't insult the opposing view, we'd get so much accomplished. In my opinion, the 1st person to go negative has lost. If that's all you've got, you're done. But that's just me...

Free fire zone engaged in 3,2,1.... -- Chez, out!

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Sep 10 at 2018 9:33 AM

2018-09-10T09:33:36-04:00

Nope, that "privilege" is reserved for Veterans and Retirees! While on Active Duty, Active Reserves or National Guard, POTUS is still your boss!

Response by LTC Stephan Porter made Sep 10 at 2018 3:40 PM

2018-09-10T15:40:24-04:00

No!

Response by Brad Miller made Sep 10 at 2018 5:45 PM

2018-09-10T17:45:31-04:00

Civilian question here -- UCMJ says you can't diss POTUS (and others in chain of command?) in public -- I'm good with that. Maintain discipline, etc. But does the same rule apply in privately expressed opinions? And where does the line between "public comment" and "private comment" lie? At home talking to my wife -- definitely private. At the local HS game over the loudspeaker -- definitely public. In a noisy bar, talking to my friend next to me -- ????

Response by PO1 Robert George made Sep 10 at 2018 8:00 PM

2018-09-10T20:00:53-04:00

As an American citizen you have the right to disagree with elected officials up to and including POTUS. You even have the right to call names but just cuz you can doesn't mean you should. This includes civilians, too. I understand a lot of folks don't like the current POTUS but damn it is ugly out there. Same with previous gentleman. When I was in it was 'You don't have to respect the person but you WILL respect the uniform.' Long past time for civil discourse on the problems facing this country. That includes ALL of our elected officials.

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Sep 10 at 2018 8:01 PM

2018-09-10T20:01:36-04:00

It must be difficult to keep politics out of service when the political "leadership" is failing. Few of us truly understand the cost of rules of engagement or the real cost of fighting on a shoe string. Real leaders of all ranks read to understand all facets of our profession. It has become evident in my lifetime that we have disparate standards for instance an Officer that lies doesn't have a place in our Corps. So when the POTUS lies regularly we have to trust our leadership to limit the damage and retire in protest if necessary. We have soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors winning medals as a result of having given up our advantages on the battle field, we have sustained casualties as a result of politics, How many didn't come home as a result? My position on rally Point is to give for consideration any insight that I gained over my years of service. As far as my political views don't ask if you don't want to hear what I think. As far as the POTUS goes I would place him under the UCMJ and that would create a real constitutional crisis especially with conduct unbecoming a legitimate charge.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Sep 11 at 2018 9:19 AM

2018-09-11T09:19:40-04:00

Part of being an active duty military member is the oath you take. There is no 'safe space' free from your own personal integrity. You swear an oath obey orders and the UCMJ. Part of that is NOT disparaging the POTUS or their policies. Criticism is one thing, as long as it stays at the discussion level and does not become disparaging. Vets, on the other hand, can and should say anything and everything they want to say.

Response by LTC Pauline Geraci made Sep 11 at 2018 4:39 PM

2018-09-11T16:39:47-04:00

Speak freely when you retire.

Response by SMSgt Tea Elle made Sep 12 at 2018 2:16 AM

2018-09-12T02:16:55-04:00

Thanks to social media, there is no such thing as a "safe space." I believe we should all respect the office of the President of the United States. The one thing that bother's me most about this question (those like this one) is no one thought about it during President Obama's administration. The disrespect for the office and the POTUS was beyond horrible at all turns. There were no discussions of "safe spaces" or "give him a chance" or "respect the POTUS" conversations of any sort after He took office. So very disappointing. It wasn't a party matter, it was because of his color. My feelings for President GW Bush was a party matter. During his terms, I was definitely not a fan. He was the opposing party's candidate. Our world changed under him, and not for the good. I felt he was being propped up by his cabinet members (the face of his cabinet's decisions) and we paid for it. I was happy to see he took more control during his 2nd term, but I still wasn't a fan (he was a Rep and I'm a Dem). I was totally P****d off when the Iraqi man threw his shoes at Pres Bush. How dare our President be disrespected by a foreign country! Meaning, we can fight internally but we stand together against our adversaries. With that, no, I don't think it's ok to disrespect the POTUS or the office. I do think the current president makes it incredibly hard to view him in the same light I've viewed his predecessors. There is no loyalty in him. I can't see where he has put America first. I will continue to do what I know to be right and influence others to follow suit. But...It is asking a lot of a military member to be steadfast on behalf of someone that don't carry the same loyalty to country as we are expected to carry during our periods of service.

Response by SGM James White made Sep 12 at 2018 12:50 PM

2018-09-12T12:50:10-04:00

CSM JIM WHITE, Ret.
Istand behind what I say with my name. There is always a time for soldiers to express their concerns and feelings. To each other, chaplains, leaders but never in away that advises the enemy, political, news persons or any place it could get to the public as you are against your President. However when you are sworn in there is never a time that you are anyone else says you must give up your 1st Amendment rights.
What is concerning is how the President states make this country great again and he keeps tearing down people, organizations, soldiers, within our country and keeps using the word "I" in everything that he does and not the word "We" to institute gratefulness and includes those who actually allows him to enjoy his position. I am not for Obama in no way because of his hidden agenda and he was an expert in communication where President Trump although never had to, but needs to listen to his people, especially VP Pence in his tactics and communication, but he continues to refuse.
The other issue is the big "ME" parade on veterans day. What a waste of money and slodiers that could spend time with their families and we do not have to watch, "STALIN" (Who was the first to do this, Russian Dictator) up on his podium watching himself spend millions of dollars of hardworking citizens to give him a rise within himself of jubilation.

The only way you can make a country great again is to go back to our roots and
ALL parties regardless of political affiliation to do what's good for the country. Letting anyone in the country at anytime from any source is not good, not having a great and world class military ready with the equipment, funding and resources is not good, not opening education and dropping cost for our young folks is not good. Our young graduates is uneducated highly compared to China even our own Home Schools. Why we have allowed our teachers to avoid teaching and preach pass SOL and you graduate, period. On and on we need to get back to our roots and get folks off welfare instead of paying Iran who has paid N.Korea to help with there nulclear program. This is just a touch of the tip of the iceberg. Last TERM LIMITS OF 8 YEARS. This will stop the folks who run just to get rich. All lobbists funds go in to a pool and each person gets the same amount when running. Anyone excepting funds from any lobbists make it a federal crime with automatic 5 years in prison.

Response by LCDR Rolland Fitch made Sep 13 at 2018 10:00 AM

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Active Military members are supposed to check their politics at the door. They can vote, they can make monetary contributions, they can even have political discussions with Friends when not at government property. But the UCMJ clearly states that they may not disparage elected officials in public, or on duty.

Response by MSgt David Carroll made Sep 13 at 2018 4:28 PM

2018-09-13T16:28:22-04:00

I thought this forum was meant to be a safe place for all to share their ideas and not an official “military “ website. So, why are there so many personal attacks and overtly political comments allowed here? Why do some posters try to “pull Rank” when addressing anyone of a lower Rank who posts something they don’t like? It’s interesting that this question is raised when the “degrading remarks” are made about the current President but, wasn’t an issue for some here when President Obama was in office (there were a lot of disrespectful, and even Racist, comments made by people claiming to be Veterans or on Active Duty).

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Sep 14 at 2018 10:05 AM

2018-09-14T10:05:15-04:00

I remember back in the day that in no way did we ever voice out loud to the masses our discontent of any current President (as the right did with Obama and the left with Trump, so lets not be hypocrites), we kept that to ourselves or shared it to our closest and dearest battle buddies.. active duty is not allowed the luxury of blatantly voicing disgust of a standing President as they are your Commander in Chief. Don't let your mouth get you in trouble. Also once leaving the military veterans don't owe any standing President anything, our only loyalty is to the country we live in and the constitution by which this country was built ( the President is just extra credit), so don't read too much into what you think loyalty is and where its owed.

Response by SSG Martin Petersen made Sep 14 at 2018 6:44 PM

2018-09-14T18:44:19-04:00

Yes, this is a private forum for Veterans and Military Service Members, not an official government or military forum. As long as they are posting during a time, when they are not ignoring their duties and are off or on a break.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Sep 17 at 2018 2:33 PM

2018-09-17T14:33:02-04:00

No.

Response by SPC Jimmy Bowling made Sep 20 at 2018 2:40 AM

2018-09-20T02:40:49-04:00

RallyPoint is a wonderful site for Veterans, National Guard, Reserve members both Active and Inactive and Active Duty Service Members to discover information about many subjects and also express themselves in certain ways.

However everyone of us took an oath upon entering our branch of service. Part of the oath is “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me according to regulations and the UCMJ.”

The President is the Commander in Chief of all Military Services and under the UCMJ is to be treated as the highest ranking Officer.

Once the oath has been taken the service members 1st Ammendment Rights kind of get squashed until they either ETS or Retire because they can possibly be charged under Articles 44 through 134of the UCMJ for Mutiny and Sedition. There are hundreds of minor things that JAG can file against the service members.

So my advice to all Active Duty personnel be very careful of what, when, why, where and how you say anything. Big brother is always watching! I know for a fact because at one time that was my job.

Response by SSgt Kurt Behnke made Sep 28 at 2018 2:55 AM

2018-09-28T02:55:22-04:00

Ours is not to wonder why, only to do or die... To serve God and country...The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief and the Rank must be respected. When in uniform or out of uniform but still on active duty, the member in the service of country is not seen by those outside the envelope as a person, but as a representative of the United States of America, a military member, Conus or non-conus, this is true in business also, conus or non-conus..Before and after active duty service and as a veteran, the Congress and Senate are our voice as constituents, we should utilize our system of government properly, use it. It is the Military to protect the freedoms of others, not the agenda of self....If you want a JOB, get out of the Federal Reserve System of funding for your education and pay by the taxpayers you represent, then GET OUT OF THE MILITARY AND GET ONE. The Government did not issue your family. Dont make them a burden of the "State" for your benefit. The military is not a job, regardless of what the EOT, ACLU and other Labor Unions and socialist programs want you to think. Yes we live in a Republic of Democracy, with the Constitution and Bill of rights with amendments equally for all legal (and some illegal) citizens, but SORRY, YOU FALL UNDER THE UCMJ, NOT the Constitution or Bill of Rights and amendments directly. We truly honor and respect your SERVICE TO THE United States of America, proudly, dont degrade yourself or US for just a job.

Response by SSgt Kurt Behnke made Sep 28 at 2018 2:55 AM

2018-09-28T02:55:47-04:00

Ours is not to wonder why, only to do or die... To serve God and country...The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief and the Rank must be respected.

Response by SGM Wally Holston made Sep 28 at 2018 11:01 PM

2018-09-28T23:01:51-04:00

Unless I have been misinformed for the past 60 years once your retire you are subject to recall at any time. You never cease being a member of the military. Joined Apolitical, server Apolitical, remain Apolitical. To the Officers especially I say button your lip. You should have no Political Opinion.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Sep 29 at 2018 9:00 PM

2018-09-29T21:00:31-04:00

It is perfectly lawful tonsay, for example: “I disagree with the President’s policy on....”

Not on duty, not in uniform, but the statement is legal under the UCMJ.

Now it’s another thing entirely to insult the President or the Office while on Active Duty.

Veterans and civilians: do what you like, but just because it’s protected by the 1st Amendment doesn’t mean your boss can’t tell you to pound sand.

Response by 1stLt Robert Thompson made Sep 30 at 2018 12:38 AM

2018-09-30T00:38:16-04:00

Well it all comes down to the fact that as a member of the armed forces the President is your superior and as such it is never a good idea to disparage your superiors. If you want to use the first amendment protection , get out and become a civilian.

Response by James Jones made Oct 1 at 2018 8:07 AM

2018-10-01T08:07:04-04:00

You're factually incorrect. Active serving members are allowed criticisms, even strong ones. There are, obviously, some things they can't say, but the idea that they cannot criticize at all is false.

Response by SPC Mike Polston made Oct 2 at 2018 12:25 AM

2018-10-02T00:25:17-04:00

First off, the first amendment rights do not apply to everyone all the time. Second, if you are on active duty, it is your duty to show superiors proper respect all the time. That doesn't mean you have to always agree with them. Regardless of agreeing or not, you should not degrade or disrespect your superiors or anyone else.

As a veteran, you are not bound by these rules.

Response by SN Jay Perry made Oct 3 at 2018 11:47 AM

2018-10-03T11:47:42-04:00

I am a veteran and personally I think the hairstyle may be the worst president we've had in over 50 years! Having said that, when I was active duty I never opened my mouth, never! This is why isn't voting block active duty military have some of the lowest participation in the country because they don't want to be political.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2018 3:30 PM

2018-10-03T15:30:48-04:00

When he talks poorly about our intel community or military leaders I’d say it’s fair game.

Response by LCDR Rolland Fitch made Oct 7 at 2018 7:27 AM

2018-10-07T07:27:59-04:00

There is another side of this, and that is the rabid partisan cheerleading for the President in the government work place. I don't know how prevalent it is on the military side but, I have seen outrageous partisanship on the civilian side off the government. It is not just an attitude of the President can do no wrong but I have heard viscous on people who express a different opinion. If a person were to walk through the offices of a civilian agency today, they could easily find Hatch Act violations all over.

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Oct 7 at 2018 11:07 AM

2018-10-07T11:07:00-04:00

No I don't!! As it was explained to me 44 years ago my personal opinion of the POTUS should be kept to myself!!! Regardless of who he is or what I think of him he is essentially my boss and I'm required to show respect. I don't understand today's military or the people wearing the uniform. When you take that oath you are not a free agent anymore!! You follow orders and regulations or your out and if you do leave you better pray you leave clean without disciplinarian action that can follow you into the civilian market! Where did the pride and respect go? Just my opinion because I'm sure that this isn't as widespread as I'm thinking it is but I can't help but be a little saddened by this question!

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Oct 8 at 2018 11:21 AM

2018-10-08T11:21:53-04:00

Whether it is a time of peace or war, we who have served and those who currently do are bound first and foremost by the U.S. constitution and the declaration of independence, closely followed by the oath of enlistment. Mark A. Milley the general of the Army still has a boss and that boss is President Trump. Doesn't matter if Gen MIlley voted for him or likes him or his views he is still his boss. Often we forget just what we said when we raised our right hand(s):
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ...
This includes the first amendment which is one of the ones that is being most challenged and line-itemed to fit where a minority feel it is most needed. Verbal expression is better than physical aggression when it comes to actions within the United States. We are so divided at this point it's only a matter of time before the lid blows off this whole thing and we revert back to 1861 only instead of North v.s South it may be Dem v.s Rep for control of the nation. JMO
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Wile E Coyote and Explosions

2 minutes of Wile E. Coyote blowing up. All rights go to Warner Bros.

Response by SSG Brian MacBain made Oct 10 at 2018 8:06 AM

2018-10-10T08:06:28-04:00

If you are a active service member and you want to end your career, then go ahead. Say anything on social media so everyone can see. If you like it or not, he is your Commander in Chief. When you signed that dotted line to join, you also agree to "do away with" some of your rights while you serve.

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Oct 13 at 2018 9:04 PM

2018-10-13T21:04:49-04:00

Not OK at all. God knows when Clinton was president, it galled me to know end to serve as a career officer, but I kept my mouth shut and voted for whoever ran against him, sent money to the impeachment organizations....and then just gritted my teeth when one of my troops would ask me my opinion. No one can force anyone to do as I did, however I took an oath and I keep it still, that oath does not allow for active duty to disparage ANY president. Consider what you swore to do, and follow your values.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2018 2:42 PM

2018-10-14T14:42:07-04:00

You should never say anything to make the government or military look bad while you are actively serving. Or anytime for that matter

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Oct 15 at 2018 4:37 PM

2018-10-15T16:37:17-04:00

It's simply not appropriate. Would you make remarks about your boss in civilian life on social media? I always told my guys that if they had a problem with me to come talk to me...but heaven help you for comments made in public. Besides, what service member in their right mind would take slick hilly over trump? Trump likes the military and hilly has said publicly that she has no use for the military. Do you mean that some in the service would rather have hillary? I'm shocked!

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Oct 15 at 2018 8:39 PM

2018-10-15T20:39:15-04:00

I've commented on this question before. I say NO...wait til you're a civilian.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Oct 16 at 2018 2:22 PM

2018-10-16T14:22:41-04:00

The UCMJ and DODOIG says no.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2018 3:04 PM

2018-10-16T15:04:18-04:00

The UCMJ exists for a reason. If we are allowed to go to a place that ignores those rules you might as well give the people a place where they can break the law but the government can't do anything about it.

Response by TSgt David Whitmore made Oct 16 at 2018 11:15 PM

2018-10-16T23:15:48-04:00

Back when I was on active duty, in 1992 we elected as our President an individual that I personally thought was a scumbag. But I refused to express that opinion in any place where my private thoughts might be mistaken for a public display of disparagement. No one knew what I was thinking, what I really thought of my CinC. And, to express myself in a public forum of any kind might cause people to denigrate the military. I wanted to avoid all appearance of impropriety. My opinion is that it went against the Codes of Conduct and the UCMJ (as I understood it). I am not happy with his name on any of my paperwork, but it is what it is. I know that I didn't say all the right words here, my TBI and previous strokes sometimes causes me to not be able to make myself clearly understood.

No, this is not the place to 'blow off steam' or tell the world that you think your boss is an ass. Civilians read this too. But that isn't the only reason. For the good of the military. Or, for the overall morale of the people you work next to, and maybe depend on with your life. Or, to not give aid, comfort, and encouragement to those you are fighting against. Each of these reasons and many others should be sufficient for you to maintain the discipline necessary to ensure that you come home safe from the day's battles; that self-discipline to keep your thoughts to yourself and your mouth shut and your ears open.
After you leave the military, then that is the time for you to freely express yourself if you wish. Or, if you believe you could do a better job, and you can get enough of your friends to back you up, then run for Public Office and fix the things you didn't like.

Response by SGT Javier Silva made Oct 18 at 2018 1:12 PM

2018-10-18T13:12:14-04:00

It is actually against the law for members of the military (active, reserve & national guard, retired personnel may fall under this category as well) to openly degrade the POTUS. As members of the service, we are often seen as official spokes(wo)men just because we were the uniform. This is why the military has a Public Affairs Office. That is their job. As a member of the military, you actually gave up some of your rights under the constitution to be in the military (yes, officers included). In essence, no, I do not believe that ANY service member should be allowed to degrade the POTUS no matter who it is and their political stance. We have heard this before, we are NOT an organization that is supposed to be used as a politically pawn. We are here to train for, fight, and win wars, period.

Response by SSG Russell Moon made Oct 19 at 2018 10:09 AM

2018-10-19T10:09:30-04:00

If you work for Amazon and disparaged Jeff Besos you wouldn’t have a job if they found out. Likewise the CINC is your CEO if you are active duty. You do not disparage the CEO of the organization you work for.

To quote an Australian general “If that does not suit you, then get out!”

Response by SSG Julian Nicholson made Oct 19 at 2018 10:59 AM

2018-10-19T10:59:50-04:00

Active Duty, Reserve and National Guard component service members absolutely should not make disparaging remarks about the President. However Veterans regained freedom of speech once their contractual military service ended. That said military related forums are not the place for political rhetoric in my opinion.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2018 4:43 PM

2018-10-21T16:43:06-04:00

What: General guidance for military personnel (including Reservists and NG) is set forth in DoD Directive 1344.10 "Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces" (19 FEB 2008), PAG 2016 "DoD Public Affairs Guidance Concerning Political Campaigns and elections." and DoD Instruction 1334.01 "Wearing of the Uniform" (see also NAVPER 156651 and MCO P1020.34G).
BLUF: DoD Policy: "Members on Active Duty should not engage in partisan political activity, and members on active duty should avoid inferences that their political activities imply or appear to imply official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement." DoDD 1344.10, para. 4
"'Partisan political activity' is activity supporting or relating to candidates representing, or issues specifically identified with national State political parties and associated or ancillary organizations or clubs." DoDD 1344.10 Enclosure 2 (Definitions)
Who is Covered: Generally, ADC and NG (on active duty). Rules relating to campaign and partisan political activities while in uniform apply to retirees (i.e., don't use campaign materials where you are shown in uniform, but you can identify yourself as Ret. or a veteran).
What You CAN Do: Register and vote, express your political opinion in a personal capacity (in your civilian capacity, this gets into the tricky area of social media where you have do include a disclaimer if you are identifiable as military and cannot insert link to a partisan website or page or suggest that others "like", "friend" or "follow" a partisan account), encourage others to participate in the political process (but not vote a particular way), signs a petition for legislative action (in your civilian capacity), write a letter to the editor (but not as part of an organized letter writing campaign, e.g., NRA, Sierra Club, and only with a disclaimer), donate money to a political organization, party or committee, display a regular bumper sticker on your vehicle (not a huge banner or covering your vehicle).
What you CANNOT Do: Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (the prohibition includes forwarding invitations to others), publish partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements that solicit votes, speak before a partisan political gathering, participate in any radio, television or other program or group discussion as an advocate for a partisan party, candidate or cause, engaging in fundraising activities for any political cause or candidate on a military installation, or display a partisan political sign, poster, or banner visible to the public in military installation housing. Also prohibited: "Any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the Department of Defense or any component of these Departments with a partisan political activity or is otherwise contrary to the spirit and intention of this Directive shall be avoided." DoDD 1344.10, para. 4.1.5.
Criticism of Senior Govt. Officials by Commissioned Officers is covered by UCMJ Art. 88 - Contempt Towards Officials. This includes the following: POTUS, VP, SECDEF, SEC of a Military Department, Congress, SECTRANS, and a Governor or Legislature when present or on duty in that state, territory or possession).
And then, there are the list of prohibitions against what you can and cannot do in uniform....
The DoDD applies mostly to Active Duty, but also to NG in active duty status. Parts appear to apply to Reservists and retirees (especially rules pertaining to the wearing of the uniform in a political context). You'll notice that LG McMaster stopped wearing his uniform when he became National Security Advisor.
Hope this provides some guidance.

Response by SFC Gerald Halbur made Oct 21 at 2018 10:24 PM

2018-10-21T22:24:28-04:00

If you are on active duty or even in the reserves or national guard then you should not be posting any disparaging comments on the POTUS.
If you are having a discussion about something that he has done that is different

Response by SGT Thomas Mitchell made Oct 24 at 2018 4:51 PM

2018-10-24T16:51:51-04:00

As far as veterans go, I believe that they should be able to speak freely to the extent allowed by the constitution and the bill of rights. On active duty, especially while in uniform, the old saw "respect the rank if not the person"; for better or worse POTUS is Commander In Chief.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Oct 26 at 2018 7:59 AM

2018-10-26T07:59:22-04:00

No while in the service your CIC is not to be a topic of political disruption to the mission.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2018 9:15 PM

2018-10-26T21:15:29-04:00

Absolutely not. There are regulations against it.
I can tell you first-hand that when Obama was in office they were dutifully handing out UCMJ to anybody caught on post with anti-obama bumper stickers, or caught trashing him on social media.
I'm not sure if that same enthusiasm is prevalent today... But the standard should be the same.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2018 9:16 PM

2018-10-26T21:16:32-04:00

Also, being in the military, you have regulated limitation on your First amendment rights. Day 1 information.

Response by 1LT John Fleming made Oct 28 at 2018 10:35 AM

2018-10-28T10:35:37-04:00

In my youth, I lived in proximity to a Strategic Air Command Base.The Officers and senior EM I was failiar with were extremely circumspect concerning their political views.Thet would not even put bumper stickers on their cars,even though I knew of officers who supported Kennedy or Goldwater in private(LBJ had not yet arranged for the Assassination of JFK, at the time I am thinking of) I think that is still an appropriate position to take

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Oct 28 at 2018 3:17 PM

2018-10-28T15:17:10-04:00

The problem that i see with that type of behavior is that as a servicemembers we are not supposed to speak out against the chain of command. The POTUS is the Commander in Cheif of all servicemembers. WHen we are off-duty then we like to think that we are private citizens. As such we are able to speak our mind. But the fact that we are servicemembers 24/7, then we are in a catch 22 situation. Just my opinion.

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Oct 29 at 2018 8:43 PM

2018-10-29T20:43:46-04:00

Absolutely NOT. I have served under Presidents that I did not care for. However, he WAS my Commander-in-Chief. The President should never be demeaned on social media. What you say in private is your business. I am dismayed that this is even happening. If you don't like previous Presidents or the current President, then VOTE. If you cannot see the distinction, then I recommend that you find employment in something other than the military.

Response by 1SG Robert Shaver made Nov 3 at 2018 11:44 AM

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Serving ACTIVE in the military is serving the President of the United States. He/She is the Commander-in-Chief. If you cannot for any reason not support the president please leave the military. Remember YOU choose the military.

Response by SPC Gregg Huestis made Nov 4 at 2018 4:02 PM

2018-11-04T16:02:40-05:00

Obviously it's not the smartest thing to do...That being said, when I was in during #BillClinton as President I was no fan of his. I showed him the respect due him in uniform but privately not so much.

Also, there wasn't any #SocialMedia then either. It was different time back then.

Because of this I can't slight someone who doesn't like #PresidentTrump, especially since I wasn't the best with #PresidentClinton when out of uniform.

Overall, it is BEST to not disparage our President no matter who's in office...But it's not always an easy thing to do!

Response by SSG Kenneth Wickersham made Nov 5 at 2018 6:11 PM

2018-11-05T18:11:53-05:00

Like it or not Donald Trump's is the Commander in Chief and Active Duty soldiers should NOT be making disparaging remarks about the President on a public forum. It is punishable by U.C.M.J.

Response by Capt Bud Adams made Nov 8 at 2018 7:05 PM

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I will say this. We are American's first, before anything. We have the right to criticize whomever. I will use trumps words. AMERICA FIRST

Response by SN Ruben Miranda made Nov 10 at 2018 1:51 PM

2018-11-10T13:51:34-05:00

If anyone is bold enough to degrade POTUS in social media, then first do it in POTUS’ face and with their CO present. And with the same boldness, accept the consequences. Where’s leadership???

Response by CPT Jim Kotva made Nov 12 at 2018 7:13 AM

2018-11-12T07:13:27-05:00

1st Amendment freedom of speech as long as there is no libel or slander you respect the rank not the person this is what America is suppose to be about.

Response by SSgt John Carter made Nov 13 at 2018 8:25 AM

2018-11-13T08:25:40-05:00

No, the UCMJ and DoD are very specific on disrespectful behavior in public. If you’re active duty, obey the rules and refs.

Response by SGT Kristin Myers made Nov 15 at 2018 7:38 AM

2018-11-15T07:38:36-05:00

Active duty military might not agree with their current Commander in Chief, but they have to respect the rank. With respecting the rank comes keeping your opinions to yourself.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Nov 16 at 2018 9:06 AM

2018-11-16T09:06:44-05:00

I agree that being publicly critical of the Commander in Chief is not allowed of those still in uniform. But of course this is a new military from when I served from the 70s to the 90s and many things are supposedly ok now that would not have even been considered in my time. I still don't recommend being critical if you are still a member of one of the military components.

Response by SN Peter Regnier made Nov 17 at 2018 11:26 PM

2018-11-17T23:26:21-05:00

Active duty members should not undermine the Chain of Command with their personal political views. Follow orders or pursue a discharge. Veterans are not living under the Oath of service, but respect needs to be shown in the manner dissection or different viewpoints are expressed.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Nov 18 at 2018 10:57 AM

2018-11-18T10:57:21-05:00

Your opinion is your opinion. If you are a serving member of the armed forces, keep your mouth shut. You are on the governments payroll. When you become a civilian again, you can shoot your mouth off.

Response by SPC Erik Thompson made Nov 19 at 2018 10:26 AM

2018-11-19T10:26:27-05:00

I am a Cold War veteran. During my time in the US was supportive of countries like El Salvador and groups like the Contrast who were responsible for the disappearance, murder, and rape of its citizens. I thought it completely antithetical to what we as a country stood for. Not a single person I served with ever heard me bad mouth the CiC or even the mission. At that time it was not my place.

Response by PVT Alejandro Rivera made Nov 20 at 2018 4:39 PM

2018-11-20T16:39:23-05:00

A veteran criticizing the President is a veteran's right, active duty the President is your Commander in Chief therefore is not ok, do you disparage your Co? I think not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2018 6:04 AM

2018-11-21T06:04:41-05:00

I haven't seen too many SMs make open contemptuous remarks about the President. There may be a few, but I don't believe RP is considered a safe space for such activity. RP is barely considered a safe place for SMs to ask legitimate military questions without being made to feel unwelcome by some. It sometimes reminds me of the many forums I have been a member of over the years; some regulars treat the newbies poorly, which drives new and continued membership away. I try to get more SMs to join RP, but many have already seen the craziness in Google searches and just stay away. I jokingly refer to RP as "Military Facebook," at least when it comes to politics, but I digress. From what I can tell, if someone plans to say something controversial, they switch to an alternate-unverified account.

In my opinion, SMs should not be allowed to publicly say anything positive or negative about the President(s). Those opinions should be kept behind closed doors in Command Climate Surveys only.
The public doesn't need to know our opinions, just that we are doing our jobs. Since the President position is a political office, military should not be able to sway public opinion in either way.

Just my opinion, though.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Nov 27 at 2018 8:01 PM

2018-11-27T20:01:12-05:00

It's safer for active duty to express opinions at the polling booths where they try voting POTUS out of office. For the rest of us Veteran's and Retirees, I would say were are pretty safe from being recalled to Active Duty to be punished for expressing an opinion unless it is really radical, like a persons posting they want to overthrow the Government type of thing.

COL, with all due respect we all have opinions of him. We just need to be careful and support him in public but among us, we are no different than civilians who have never served in uniform. Expressing opinions publicly is a train wreck waiting to happen.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Nov 29 at 2018 3:15 AM

2018-11-29T03:15:05-05:00

POTUS is the CINC of the Armed Forces, so respect the position and he who holds it.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2018 10:27 PM

2018-11-29T22:27:28-05:00

Not the current one. But that last racist piece of shit is fair game, then and now.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Nov 30 at 2018 12:58 PM

2018-11-30T12:58:10-05:00

Criticize or disagree with the elected president but insults, name calling, derogatory nicknames are inappropriate. Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton; doesn’t matter which party or how badly one disagrees with the policies, derogatory statements shouldn’t be made without an expectation of being confronted for it.

Response by 1SG Dan Romaine made Dec 1 at 2018 12:52 PM

2018-12-01T12:52:37-05:00

My Company Commander I had when I was his 1SG is VERY liberal and continually speaks negatively about the POTUS- and he is still in. I’m glad we aren’t working together anymore. I continually remind him that he is his commander in chief but he continues to bash him. I’m glad I retired because I couldn’t deal with this new breed of “Soldier”.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Dec 1 at 2018 10:48 PM

2018-12-01T22:48:10-05:00

Active duty members, no. POTUS no matter who he is, is the CinC. Non active duty veterans, okay. Why? Because we reslly don't have to answer for our comments about a sitting POTUS. See shat happened to Gen. Singalaub when he made comments about President Clinton. Fired. Now do that as an enlisted man, and it's Hello Ft. Levenworth!

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Dec 2 at 2018 7:06 AM

2018-12-02T07:06:34-05:00

Negative; it’s against regulations and uncouth. Keep emotion out of it. You can criticize specifics of their actions, disagree with decisions, and point out weakness in their strategies- don’t name call and accuse them unjustly. I never had and never will. What are we 12 year old school yard bullies?

Response by SSG Patrick Alcorn made Dec 12 at 2018 6:39 PM

2018-12-12T18:39:53-05:00

DUTY HONOR COUNTRY. Active duty personnel should remain 100% focused on their mission (thier job), not politics or opinions. They should use the chain of command for any comments, and get back to work based upon the issues orders/directives. Or get out of the military and get involved as they deem necessary.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Dec 13 at 2018 9:36 AM

2018-12-13T09:36:59-05:00

No. Not active duty. Regardless of anyone's negative feelings, he is CIC which mean's he's the top of our food chain and the integrity of the COC must be preserved.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Dec 13 at 2018 5:16 PM

2018-12-13T17:16:58-05:00

No. to answer the question. In this country, there is free speech and one of the rights you have is the right to criticize your government. However, active personnel have signed a contract so if they are caught criticizing their boss and the UCMJ prohibits them from doing so, they should prepare to pay the full price of that transgression. Wait until you are out to retake your right to free speech.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2018 11:08 PM

2018-12-14T23:08:19-05:00

I wouldn't. Stuff has a way of coming back and biting your 6. There IS a reg for it... there's almost always a reg. It's way too easy for stuff to get misconstrued and taken way out of context. Wouldn't want to chance a career on it.

Response by SGM Jeffrey Hall made Dec 28 at 2018 1:31 AM

2018-12-28T01:31:46-05:00

Everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding anyone or anything. However, you have to be careful to not commingle your opinion with your status as a service member. As a rule, I did not discuss politics outside of my home or close circle of friends, and I never discussed politics in my place of duty. The only political statement I ever made on active duty was to say as a service member, I felt they were obliged to vote.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Dec 31 at 2018 8:26 AM

2018-12-31T08:26:24-05:00

I have no problem w/ service members expressing their polical point of view. However they should not be using their military rank and status when they do it.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Feb 4 at 2019 12:27 AM

2019-02-04T00:27:07-05:00

No, to my way of thinking we all took the same oath, and the man or woman in the oval office is our C-in-C like it or not. To my way of thinking I don't care if you like the person or not, I don't care if you despise the person, you will honor the damn office they hold! I tell the same thing to non-military/veteran people who make disparaging remarks. Now if they issue an illegal order, that's another story.

Response by GySgt Keith Rininger made Feb 12 at 2019 10:17 PM

2019-02-12T22:17:17-05:00

No. Unfortunately there are many Socialists in today's Military with Many Officers among them. You swear an Oath to Protect and Serve the Constitution, not an individual. Politically active service members should be put out of the military. Semper Fi

Response by SFC Jerry Humphries made Feb 14 at 2019 11:43 AM

2019-02-14T11:43:37-05:00

I believe actively serving members should use care of their speech about Political topics. However those who are Vets or retired should permitted free excercise of 1st Amendment Speach Rights.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Feb 17 at 2019 6:59 PM

2019-02-17T18:59:53-05:00

A disparaging remark by a service member against POTUS or indeed their chain of command is not a violation of the UCMJ. Not even close. Members always have their 1st amendment rights, they never lose them but there are responsibilities as well as consequences to having that right. As long as the service member does not become politically active, they can say just about whatever they want to about POTUS or any candidate.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Feb 23 at 2019 11:49 AM

2019-02-23T11:49:03-05:00

I don't think it is right for ANYONE to degrade ANYONE on RP.

Attack opinions, not people.

There is a huge margin between "The President is dumb and doesn't think through his decisions" and "The idea to build a coast-to-coast wall is dumb and was not well thought out."

Of course... There are many who think that an attack on a person's idea is an attack on the person, but that is THEIR problem.

But yeah, to answer the question, no attacking the Pres is not OK. It MAY have legal implications, but "right" (in the "good/bad" definition, not in the "freedom" definition) and "legal" are often two VERY different things.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Feb 24 at 2019 7:48 PM

2019-02-24T19:48:54-05:00

It seems to me that the very same people that thought Obama is God, Want to make out the Trump hate's every one that is not rich and white.
The dubble standerd is always there.
You have the right to like or dislike whoever to the President, But you should not talk about it at work.
Keep it on your own time.
Because the sad fact is people can not seem to agree to disagree, And someone always gets BUTT HURT.
Insted of listining and talking with out being stupid.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Feb 26 at 2019 3:26 PM

2019-02-26T15:26:51-05:00

"Safe Spaces" are not but any definition "completely safe"
There is always a consequence to any action

For Veterans such as myself, we may have "earned certain rights and abilities " but (for me) that s till doe s not include the right to openly disparage any President (current or former)

Although I have extremely disliked some former Presidents, I never publicly did so.

Others are correct in the case of Social Media being "a new battleground ", but I constantly remind people that all of us are "the Face of the US Military "

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jun 11 at 2019 9:08 AM

2019-06-11T09:08:29-04:00

In the case of Obama, who was elected with the aid of election fraud, I believe he is fair game for those not serving in an active or reserve capacity. As much as it pains me to say that, our system is broken. We have States like CA willfully violating the Constitution, giving sanctuary to illegal aliens, free medical benefits they didn’t earn, and allowing them to vote in national elections. Our Founding Fathers would be aghast if they could see what has become of their experiment in a Democracy. Obama has issues with his eligibility, the Democrats knew it and ran him anyway. Hell, I don’t know where he was born... Even his family can’t agree on it... and that is a problem.

The identity of our Commander in Chief must be rock solid. Chief Justice John Jay urged George Washington to include the requirement of natural born citizen for President because he wanted to ensure that in the court of Natural Law nobody could challenge the loyalty and allegiance of our President and Commander in Chief or lay claim to his citizenship. He didn’t want our elections to be compromised with candidates whose allegiance was questionable and whose loyalties lay elsewhere.

Our President should have a past that can be verified so that his loyalty and allegiance can be assessed. The test of natural born citizenship is one that guarantees nobody can lay claim to the citizenship of our President or question his loyalty and allegiance to this country. To be a citizen one must inherit the citizenship of their parents or be born on the soil of the country. Jus Sanguini or Jus Solis which translate to Right of Blood and Right of Soil). Either of these is enough to satisfy the requirement of citizenship but to meet the higher test of citizenship that guarantees the loyalty and allegiance of the citizen, one must meet both and the test of natural born citizen does just that. A natural born citizen meets both requirements of citizenship: they are born on the soil of the country that both parents are citizens of. In this manner their loyalty and allegiance can’t be challenged in any court of law.

We now see the consequence of what happens when you allow political correctness to trump common sense and elect an individual whose loyalty and allegiance can’t be verified. We presently have an all out war going on over who controls this country and the Democrats have unmasked themselves as Socialists trying to disarm Americans and give away our national sovereignty in order to foist Progressive Socialism and Globalism on America. Our nation suffered the consequence of voter apathy and ignorance. Obama was a usurping fraud whose past is enshrouded in mystery. He vetted himself four years after the fact with computer generated forged documents! And people dismiss it as if it is unimportant what the character of the man in office is and I am telling you it is damn important that we know who the hell we are voting for.

I am retired but I STILL honor the oath I swore to protect and defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC! When I told the truth about Obama, I was put down, downvoted and called unprofessional by a midshipman cadet admin! I served before he was born and could have changed his diaper and wiped the boogers from his nose. This new generation has some of the brightest people in the history of this nation and some of the most ignorant, whiny little crybabies that were indoctrinated with Progressivism in their educations. People in this country have no appreciation for the lessons of history. They aren’t interested in hearing the truth when it is inconvenient and conflicts with what they want to believe. I remember a time when people had thicker skin and dealt with adversity. They weren’t diagnosed with PTSD (and that is not to say it isn’t real but I feel wayyy too many people are using it as a crutch and receiving compensation that probably don’t deserve it); they were told to wipe the tears from their eyes and act like men.

It’s time we acknowledge the truth and admit we as a nation screwed up by electing people of dubious character to represent us and we sat on our hands and allowed corruption to work its way through our government into all three branches. And we are now dealing with the consequence of our apathy and ignorance and we have a swamp to drain.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2019 6:59 PM

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Response by Capt Jeff S. made Oct 27 at 2019 2:58 AM

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Against a POTUS who engaged in election fraud and who was not constitutionally qualified and bypassed the vetting process? Was never legit and not my President as evidenced by his acts of Treason.

Trump (as much as I don’t care for his inflated ego) was qualified, ran a brilliant campaign and despite all who opposed him (including the Progressive Propagandist lamestream media), managed a victory against an opponent who cheated in the debates and rigged her own Primary. Love him or hate him, he was duly elected and has made good on his campaign promises!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2019 4:35 AM

2019-11-28T04:35:12-05:00

What if the president degrades himself and opens the doors to ridicule?
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Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Dec 17 at 2019 6:05 PM

2019-12-17T18:05:35-05:00

Wow; that was a problem we didn't have to grapple with when I was active. There weren't internet's or sites; computers were just getting into the key punch stage ( "do not fold, spindle or mutilate"cards everywhere) and rarely, if ever, "talked" to each other. But disparaging the CIC in speech or writing that was public was forbidden. I would think it would still be, regardless the medium. That was 1 of the things we agreed to forego while on active. As veterans, we aren't governed by the UCMJ any longer, but some decorum should still be exercised, IMO. Criticism is okay, " bad mouthing" not so much.

Response by SPC Bill Ratajczak made Dec 17 at 2019 6:58 PM

2019-12-17T18:58:22-05:00

My First Sargent told me that if you serve you can't be political or campaign. If you want to do that you need to be off base, on leave, and in civilian clothes. Apolitical is is the watchword.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Jan 5 at 2020 9:39 PM

2020-01-05T21:39:02-05:00

There are no safe spaces for those currently serving in the military. You are a a Soldier, et all, twenty four hours a day. Seven days a week, there is no I am not in the military time. There is no free speech, right to protest or whatever in the military. Once you become a Veteran you once again have those rights. You can be like a civilian again. Though, everyone should show the proper respect to the office of the President. You can hate whoever holds that position all you want, but respect the title and office. I will step down from my soap box.

Response by CPL Toriano Bullock made Mar 27 at 2020 8:31 AM

2020-03-27T08:31:10-04:00

The president of the United States is a blithering idiot, Victor. It's as simple as that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 7:58 PM

2020-08-09T19:58:57-04:00

no such thing as a safe space for military members to comment on the chain of command.
if you cannot handle the simple responsibilities of serving, you should not serve... it's not about me/you/us. to borrow an old line, "we're here to preserve democracy, not practice it".

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Nov 23 at 2020 11:14 PM

2020-11-23T23:14:46-05:00

In 2008 the Democrats committed election fraud and installed a constitutionally unqualified fraud. He couldn’t produce legit documents to establish his identity and the public was expected to give him the benefit of the doubt to explain away all the inconsistencies in his background. He couldn’t even pass a simple background check because he was using a previously issued SSN and had multiple SSNs associated with his identity. Flight manifests disappeared from the National Archives, people died under suspicious circumstances and the press treated him like a rock star. The largely ignorant public bought empty promises of Hope and Change and America added $10 Trillion in debt, saw its military turned into a social experiment, and our rights and freedoms erode as our government leaders increasingly became more corrupt and self-serving. People said character didn’t matter and got what they voted for.

It took awhile and lots of scandals for the public to wake up. You can only lie so much before people get tired of the lies and begin to realize how much they have been taken.

Hillary was supposed to follow Obama but the public couldn’t stomach the thought of her. Her reputation for lying, covering up evidence of wrongdoing, and getting people killed was unpalatable — even for some Democrats. And even though she rigged her own Primary, was caught cheating in the debates, and attempted to cheat her way to victory in the General Election. What the Democrats didn’t count on was the public’s disgust of Obama’s incompetence, empty promises of Hope and Change, and legacy of corruption. Trump’s election was a referendum on Obama’s shameful legacy.

I swore an oath to support and defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC! Our government is woefully corrupt and the corruption has infiltrated all branches of the Federal government as well as major Federal agencies to include the FBI, CIA, DHS, IRS, EPA, amongst others. Since 2008, this country has only had one legitimately qualified President. And we are now watching another election being stolen as the whole world watches, wondering what we are going to do about it. Our media is running interference for the Democrats and attempting to install another fraud who illegally spied on the Trump campaign [his name is on documents along with Obama’s] using a fake dossier paid for by Clinton, who stole relief money from Haiti and laundered it through the Clinton Foundation. Biden is likewise corrupt and laundered money extorted from Ukraine, besides peddling influence with Russia and China.

For the life of me, I’m wondering what has happened to our military that we have senior officers and enlisted talking smack and not calling out the corruption for what it is. The DNC has been hijacked by Socialist sellouts and isn’t the Democratic Party your grandparents knew. They have staged multiple failed coups and nobody seems concerned.

If our government is corrupt in all three branches, what is the remedy?

Socialism is NOT the future our Founding Fathers envisioned for this country. Some of the folks commenting are absolute disgraces to the uniform. They have let Party affiliation cloud their better judgment. RallyPoint has a lot of potential but if it continues to devolve into Facebook with petty rants and partisan bickering, I fear for this country’s future.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2021 9:58 PM

2021-06-30T21:58:06-04:00

While on active duty, it is NOT OK to disparage the President. He is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. However, when the uniform is off (retired, ETS) a civilian may have any comment he(she) chooses.