Posted on Feb 21, 2016
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I believe that this is a common misconception throughout the Army, and am curious as to if there is a similar trend in other branches?

For the last 3.5 years in the Army I've achieved a 300 PT score on the APFT. Initially after joining, I focused on the 3 events that the PT test is comprised of, never did any type of weight training in the gym. Ran some 5k, 10k, half marathons. However, Over the last 1.5 years I've ventured into the world of CrossFit, started rucking a lot more, doing more adventure races like Spartan, tough mudder, GORUCK. I've noticed the running 2 miles in under 13:00 has become a lot more difficult to achieve, although I truly believe I'm in the best shape of my life, a more well rounded approach to fitness.

I see time and time again, 300+ PT Soldiers, struggle on long ruck marches, even with a 35-40 lb ruck, these same Soldiers struggle during CLS, during buddy carries, or carrying a litter, amongst other tasks that require moving any amount of distance carrying a load.

What are your thoughts?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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The (A)PFT tests 3 very specific Health Metrics. That's it. What's worse it is a Subjective Test in that it relies on "Own Body Weight" to do so.

Rucking with a time limit is an Objective Test, in that everyone has the same added weight, as compared to a percentage of body weight. The more you weigh, the less percent increase a pack is for you. The less you weigh, the more of an increase a "standard" pack is. Additionally, we must look at the Science behind Fitness.

Things like Endurance vs. Speed. As we age, our Endurance increases (dramatically) while our Speed Decreases. As an example, Marathon Runners (and those below that distance) are YOUNG. Ultra-Marathon Runners (26.2+ going into 100+ mile distance) are generally in the 40+ age category. The Young don't have the Endurance, while the Old don't have the speed any longer. It's a balance (which would account for your difficulty in pace, yet feeling like you are still in good shape).

But what this really boils down to is a PHILOSOPHY.

If you "Train for the Test" you will Succeed at the TEST. If you "Train for Fitness" you will be more Fit, however that does not necessarily transfer over into "Perfect Test Scores."

Because we INCENTIVIZE Higher Test Scores, as Opposed to Higher Fitness, there is a disproportionate focus on the (A)PFT as opposed to actual Fitness.
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BOOM!!!
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Great response, I appreciate your knowledge and insight on the topic. Thank you.
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Actually SSG Call I exceed both in the gym at being physically fit and on my APFT usually scoring 300s throughout my career minus injury recovery times, I believe your shortfall is that you don't balance what you do. You can go crossfit mania and stop running or become an APFT fanatic and only concentrate on PU, SU and running. I actually haven't trained with the exercises for any event since my AIT days, concentrate on the muscle associated with what you do on a APFT or better yet overall body fitness and you can succeed in both crossfit and APFT
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SGT Stanley Bass
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not at all. When i was stationed in DC I ran the Army Ten miler two of the three years I was there. I trained by running 12 -17 miles before the race. There was an NCO that smoked didnt do PT, didn't run, and would beat me by at least 3 minutes every year, while I was running my two miles inn about 14 minutes or less they would run in 11 or less
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We in the profession of arms have a requirement to maintain ourselves (and our equipment) so that when the time comes that extraordinary effort is required, that we can give it when it's needed most. In order to do that, a Soldier - and by extension their leaders - need to challenge themselves far more than pushups, situps, and running two miles. It takes functional movement under duress. In bad conditions. Under heavy load. In the heat or cold or hills or rain.
Because when the time comes that I need everything I can give, the conditions will not be ideal. I will be afraid. I will be assaulted by sights and sounds and bullets and bombs. But I must close with and kill the enemy. Or grab my Soldier and drag him to safety.
The APFT is just a measuring stick. It is a short stick, but it does the job of assessing what areas need training focus. It was never meant to determine winners and losers.
I think the key is to continue to challenge yourself.
Just barely pass the APFT every 6 months? Work on your weaknesses.
Score a 300? Start doing the exercises with a weight belt or vest.
Run two miles in 12 minutes? How about five miles in 30 minutes.
You can ruck all day? Try it with a heavier load, or a longer distance, or a quicker pace.

Or maybe you really are a PT stud that can do it all better than everyone else. Can your Soldiers hang with you? If not, start training them with the secrets to your success.
Training never stops if you are truly dedicated to the profession of arms. We just move on to the next challenge.
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Great response 1SG, I appreciate your insight. I couldn't agree more that we need to be creative and constantly find ways to challenge ourselves, pushing ourselves past preconceived limits.
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The APFT is just one portion of fitness, and is currently a "one size fits all" test regardless of your job. I do think it is important. But, as you and the Army know it is not the perfect measure, and today os likely not the best measure. For what is worth... I always worked to achieve 300 or better, and never missed by much... (a few 290s in my latter years), and as a leader I always encouraged and motivated all Soldiers to aim high vs. just passing. Nevertheless, gender neutral - MOS based physical fitness tests are the right answer, and where our Army heading. But, to and answer your question...PT studs and studettes are associated with the APFT scores, not the job, so Yes.
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SFC William Dinwiddie
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when I went through basic back in 1978 we had two pt tests one for combat arms and one for everybody else the 5 events for combat arms were the crab walk (inverted crawl), horizontal ladder. pushups, run dodge and jump, and the 2 mile run. that test could be passed if you were in reasonable shape . oh we did that pt test in black leather combat boots. again that was the measure till about 1981 when the army consolidated the pt program and did away with the pt test and came out with the Army Physical Rediness Test or the APRT. We were told to train the test. the good commanders we had stressed more then push ups and running we did hand to hand for example or even Rifle bayonet training with pugil matches if we had the time. we were also encouraged to hit the gym when we weren't in the field cause in an infantry unit hell we even did forced marches 2x amonth as a battalion. so we did more then just training around the test so you are right about the aprt just being one leg of the stool sort of speak. I just mentioned a few things we did I was peacetime army not wartime but my understading is the standards are being more enforced widely more now then when I was in.
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Agreed Sir, Thank you for your response. I'm interested to see how the new PT Test is implemented, and and hopeful it benefits the force.
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