Posted on Aug 10, 2015
Sgt Dave Knight
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Since I have been out, I have had a lot of trouble really connecting with my peers in the Civilian world. I am really working on understanding them, but I feel like there is a disconnect. No matter how hard I try to bridge the chasm, it seems impossible. How do you guys deal with this? Every other part of my transition was easy (i.e. finding a job, settling down, getting out of the military mind-set), I just don't understand why there is such a disconnect and why I can't solve the problem. It really makes me uncomfortable.
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LCDR Sales & Proposals Manager Gas Turbine Products
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Going on seven years off AD, I'm just now starting to "get" the way they think in CivCorp...I think the primary differences are summed up like this:

1) Civilians are used to compromise. From jobs to relationships, everything is about "getting by". They value conflict avoidance over conflict mastery.

2) Military people "peak" early in terms of their self-assessment. I mean c'mon, at 35, you're carrying more responsibility as an NCO or mid-grade officer than most executives in the private sector (at abysmally lower pay). We can't ever really seem to get used to being "demoted" for life.

3) Back in the recesses of their minds, civilians wanted to be us...at least just a little. Why do you think "adventure" tourism is so big? There's always going to be that feeling of "one-ups-manship" that kinda makes you feel like you have to keep "defending" your past exploits from the guy in the cubicle next door whose sporting his latest purchase from Troy Industries or running "Tough Mudder" next month.

I think it gets "easier" as you go along, but only because the realization kicks in that you're not quite what you were at 25 anymore. Since I left, my whole life's changed; I'm married to a woman I love more than life itself, expecting my first-born son this winter, and finally somewhere in my civilian career where I feel I matter. I've gained twenty pounds and lost some skill sets...but I'm at peace with the fact that somewhere, deep inside, is that same kid who did some pretty awesome stuff.
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Sgt Dave Knight
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LCDR (Join to see) - Your reply was not negative in the least. It actually helped me understand both sides a little more. I have really been working hard at being less abrasive in the Civilian world, while in the Corps I didn't feel I was abrasive enough (in the Corps I was probably one of the "nicer" NCO's).
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SFC Patricia Tucker
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Sir, you are so on the money! That's all I can say. My favorite thing that most civilians say when I won't compromise on integrity, morals, etc is "Well, you know she was in the Army, right?" I guess that's meant to be an insult by some, but I hold my head up and reaffirm that YES, I WAS! and carry on.
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SFC Tucker-one thing I hesitated to add was the general feeling I sense that my civil peers feel their education, more than their experience, is a true measure of merit. I was almost shocked to realize that a welder with twenty years experience is viewed with less respect than a brand new engineer. I guess from a corporate mindset, value is all about pay...boy doesn't that "rub" with what vets are accustomed to!
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SGT Stan Setliff
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Sir, I've been out since '87. You would think by now, I would have asimilated into the civilian world. Dad was a retired LTC from WWII, so you can guess how I was raised. Only 4 years in the airborne just more deeply ingrained all the things you identified, along with Duty, Honor, Country. Thankyou for breaking it down, as youdid. Wonderfull food for thought.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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The chasm is real there is no doubt about it. Even my oldest son who just left active duty in the Marines (still in the reserves) says he cannot relate to any of the friends he had growing up or just civilians in general. I tell him to recognize that the gap exists because you have had experiences and have done things they have not and likely will not.

Use the gap to your advantage because it is an advantage. Those gaps are things like discipline, focus, attention to detail, judgment, leadership and a score of others. You have them, they do not. It is an advantage and you cannot undo it nor should you want to.
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I agree totally with what you're saying. The biggest problem that I have with civIlians is that I am extremely goal oriented and I get impatient with people for just sitting around. People like to talk about stuff for hours rather than just getting off their backside and doing stuff. I was amazed that I went to a civilian job, and people can sit there wasting time discussing roles and responsibilities, and processes and procedures without coming up with any clear answers. I always tell people Nike's motto: "just do it!"
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Cpl Jeff N.
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As we used to say, do is half of done.
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It's why the saying "you can never go home" exists. You grew differently than they did. You're experiences are so contextually different, and it makes it harder to connect. The expectations you had placed on you are from one set, while the expectations placed on them were from a different set.

You are essentially a "foreigner" in your own country. The language you speak is "similar" much like English English and American English are similar. The Customs are "similar" but there is just enough difference that you are constantly translating. Like a child who speaks English fluently as a second language. Every now and then something weird will come out, like "roll of inches" instead of "tape measure."
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CPT Rell Spratley
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I concur with the 'constantly translating' concept, especially on interviews. Which is why I feel a lot of veterans have minor problems during the early tenure of their civilian jobs because they're always translating what they did, who they worked for, what kind of equipment they used, etc. when asked about past experiences, especially if they bring of deployments. It definitely takes a while until you get enough practice and becomes second nature and then your 'civilianized' talk can sound somewhat normal to your workers, bosses, etc.
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