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Approaching this from a safety standpoint.
If they don't produce it, and you ignore, you risk further injury to the troop. Whereas if you tell them to produce immediately after, and they fail to do so, you are able to correct for malingering.
Safety is paramount.
I'd rather work under the assumption the troop just forgot to carry the profile chit, than they are lying.
Think worst case scenarios. What happens when you ignore a safety condition you have been informed of? You become responsible for it. I personally would not be the one standing tall before the man, saying "he didn't produce a chit" - "But he told you he had one!" when you have a troop in the medic bay worse off than he was before.
If they don't produce it, and you ignore, you risk further injury to the troop. Whereas if you tell them to produce immediately after, and they fail to do so, you are able to correct for malingering.
Safety is paramount.
I'd rather work under the assumption the troop just forgot to carry the profile chit, than they are lying.
Think worst case scenarios. What happens when you ignore a safety condition you have been informed of? You become responsible for it. I personally would not be the one standing tall before the man, saying "he didn't produce a chit" - "But he told you he had one!" when you have a troop in the medic bay worse off than he was before.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SPC (Join to see) There are certain assumptions that absolutely should be made. Integrity is one of them. Otherwise, why bother?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS Why bother with what? CYA? It's always wise to plan for the worst. In my experience, that includes expecting the ones you count on to fail you.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SPC (Join to see) "expecting the ones you count on to fail you"
Say that again slowly out loud.
That is wrong on so many levels. I'm struggling where to begin. If this was a lesson that was invested in you through your career, the Services failed you on so many levels it's beyond description.
That statement is the one thing we can't do. I don't think I'm being overly optimistic, or drank too much of the Kool-Aid, but I generally expect people to succeed. I don't expect people to let me down.
Say that again slowly out loud.
That is wrong on so many levels. I'm struggling where to begin. If this was a lesson that was invested in you through your career, the Services failed you on so many levels it's beyond description.
That statement is the one thing we can't do. I don't think I'm being overly optimistic, or drank too much of the Kool-Aid, but I generally expect people to succeed. I don't expect people to let me down.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS I did say it out loud, slowly. It is a tad depressing. C'est la vie. I don't expect it to always happen, but it's always a consideration.
My first first-line NCO, a CPL, failed to prepare me for the standards to which I should hold myself. My next NCO, a SSG, trained me as well as he could in the time given to us. I learned a lot. But it's hard to go from green experienced in under a year. Next, I was the boss as a CPL myself.
I did the best I could, with a SFC as my medical supervisor. He was a capable NCO who never lead me astray. But my inexperience was felt by my subordinates, and my position was not respected among my peers. Still, we did okay, nobody died or got sick from our aid station (despite the ridiculous actions of my KATUSA), and we kept our paperwork in line.
My next SSG was placed in the wrong position, and I couldn't advise. She was vary capable for her training, but as I said, she was in the wrong position. I couldn't help the SSG. I was generally reprimanded for doing so. The SFC suggested I "just be quiet and do what you're told. She's just going to have to fail." Then my original contract required me to ETS to the National Guard. Signing a new contract was not an option. Later heard some of my complaints and actions were vindicated after I left and a 4-year SPC medic who replaced me butted-heads with the chain of command. Idc.
This is a gross oversimplification of my 2.5 years active, but it summarizes well how I feel about my peers and leaders. Hope for the best, plan for the worst, because the best never happens, and the worst really might.
I don't blame the army for this. I'm responsible for what I think and how I feel, at least to some degree. But every soldier that doesn't protect themselves from the actions of others, including their supervisors, usually pays for it. I know I have, thanks to my chain of command.
So, take it from me, kids. If you're not supposed to be doing push-ups, just freakin' have your profile handy. It's just easier on everyone, including you.
My first first-line NCO, a CPL, failed to prepare me for the standards to which I should hold myself. My next NCO, a SSG, trained me as well as he could in the time given to us. I learned a lot. But it's hard to go from green experienced in under a year. Next, I was the boss as a CPL myself.
I did the best I could, with a SFC as my medical supervisor. He was a capable NCO who never lead me astray. But my inexperience was felt by my subordinates, and my position was not respected among my peers. Still, we did okay, nobody died or got sick from our aid station (despite the ridiculous actions of my KATUSA), and we kept our paperwork in line.
My next SSG was placed in the wrong position, and I couldn't advise. She was vary capable for her training, but as I said, she was in the wrong position. I couldn't help the SSG. I was generally reprimanded for doing so. The SFC suggested I "just be quiet and do what you're told. She's just going to have to fail." Then my original contract required me to ETS to the National Guard. Signing a new contract was not an option. Later heard some of my complaints and actions were vindicated after I left and a 4-year SPC medic who replaced me butted-heads with the chain of command. Idc.
This is a gross oversimplification of my 2.5 years active, but it summarizes well how I feel about my peers and leaders. Hope for the best, plan for the worst, because the best never happens, and the worst really might.
I don't blame the army for this. I'm responsible for what I think and how I feel, at least to some degree. But every soldier that doesn't protect themselves from the actions of others, including their supervisors, usually pays for it. I know I have, thanks to my chain of command.
So, take it from me, kids. If you're not supposed to be doing push-ups, just freakin' have your profile handy. It's just easier on everyone, including you.
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Some good comments here. But, to me, the issue of lack of trust is serious.
I am sure I have had people lie to me. But, until proven that they are lying I take them at their word. If it is proven that they were lying .... well .... a totally different reaction.
I am sure I have had people lie to me. But, until proven that they are lying I take them at their word. If it is proven that they were lying .... well .... a totally different reaction.
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That was my first thought, SGM (Join to see). The profile isn't fully in effect until the Commander signs off on it, at which point the relevant NCOs should know who is on profile and when the profiles expire.
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Recovery time after it does expire: how many days they get depends on the length of the profile
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