Do you think illegal immigrants should be able to use welfare/public assistance?

2017-02-02T16:31:42-05:00

Considering all the illegal immigrants in this country, do you think they should be able to use welfare or public assistance considering they aren't citizens and that many working Americans are denied welfare or public assistance.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Feb 2 at 2017 4:36 PM

2017-02-02T16:36:18-05:00

With the exception of emergency care (which they are still billed eventually), I don't believe illegal immigrants are able to get public assistance unless there's a scam involved.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Feb 2 at 2017 4:38 PM

2017-02-02T16:38:14-05:00

At the risk of sounding harsh. No, they shouldn't. Tax money allocated for those things should be for citizens. In my most humble of opinions they should be helped by the church and private organizations.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 2 at 2017 4:38 PM

2017-02-02T16:38:25-05:00

In theory they can't get it by law, but if they have a child born here, it is and guess who controls the cash? And no, they should not. Long ago, as you may know an immigrant had to have a sponsor and they were responsible for them financially.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 4:41 PM

2017-02-02T16:41:04-05:00

Absolutely not. The key word in your question is "illegal" which means that they should not be here in the first place.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 2 at 2017 4:54 PM

2017-02-02T16:54:06-05:00

A reasonable question easily answered. Hell no. The only right reserved to illegal aliens is welcome passage to the exit. Now, to be pragmatic, we could talk about having them earn a path to citizenship. I've already mentioned this in other discussion threads. Simply, let them serve the nation. One possibility is to work on building the wall in a Civilian Conservation Corps type of program.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Feb 2 at 2017 4:55 PM

2017-02-02T16:55:02-05:00

No.

Next question.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Feb 2 at 2017 5:00 PM

2017-02-02T17:00:02-05:00

No. The legal citizens of any country should come first before even 1 refugee. Illegals are here ILLEGALLY. No question. They don't need to be here. There's a legal way to immigrate.

Response by MSG Mark Million made Feb 2 at 2017 5:00 PM

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Response by Cpl Joshua Caldwell made Feb 2 at 2017 5:04 PM

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No freakin way, if you want to freeload off of a group of tax payers, do so in your own country. Let's adopt the Mexican system, where you can't come here unless you make at least $2000 per month.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 5:10 PM

2017-02-02T17:10:10-05:00

Wait for it.... no.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 5:25 PM

2017-02-02T17:25:07-05:00

NOPE, not even.

Response by Maj John Bell made Feb 2 at 2017 5:35 PM

2017-02-02T17:35:25-05:00

The only assistance they should get is emergent healthcare, and only (edit) that which is necessary to sustain life until they can be deported.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 5:38 PM

2017-02-02T17:38:31-05:00

I think they should be able to use those things about as much as I think prison inmates should get any comforts. Being a criminal should not be glorified or rewarded.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 2 at 2017 5:39 PM

2017-02-02T17:39:04-05:00

No, the only public service ILLEGAL immigrants should be free to use are the same services offered a state jail inmate.. Please refer back to the definition of "ILLEGAL" before considering what tax payer services should be handed out.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 5:43 PM

2017-02-02T17:43:02-05:00

Are you kidding? I feel there are some citizens that shouldn't be using welfare/public assistance, let alone illegals.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 5:48 PM

2017-02-02T17:48:12-05:00

Why should Criminal Aliens (to use the God Emperor's terminology) be granted access to our health and welfare services? They should not.

Response by MAJ Joe Bentley made Feb 2 at 2017 6:17 PM

2017-02-02T18:17:24-05:00

No, however any person who comes here through legal means and who is willing be an American should have every opportunity to succeed. If they are willing to work harder than a natural born citizen, they deserve to achieve success at a higher level. I know this sounds simplistic, but I believe this is the message we need to get across. We still welcome those who seek the American dream, but will vetted them all.

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Feb 2 at 2017 7:35 PM

2017-02-02T19:35:55-05:00

There are plenty of citizens that shouldn't be allowed it so why let illegal immigrants have it...problem is many citizens that have these handouts just milk the system treating it as a luxury and an excuse as not to work...so no illegals definitely don't need to contribute to that problem

Response by SFC Jerry Humphries made Feb 2 at 2017 7:46 PM

2017-02-02T19:46:54-05:00

I think for their own welfare they should go home and we should publicly assist them in going home.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Feb 2 at 2017 7:51 PM

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No.

Response by MSgt George Cater made Feb 2 at 2017 8:04 PM

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Response by SFC George Smith made Feb 2 at 2017 9:19 PM

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NO...!!!

Response by SFC Dave Beran made Feb 2 at 2017 9:58 PM

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No just no but HELL NO. If you are illegal you should not receive any government benefits period.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Feb 2 at 2017 10:01 PM

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Let me put this as simply as I know how... NO!

Response by MSG Steve Wiersgalla made Feb 2 at 2017 10:15 PM

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Not in any way shape or form! Send their ass home. I don't know what is so hard to understand about the word "ILLEGAL" immigrant.

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Feb 3 at 2017 12:20 AM

2017-02-03T00:20:37-05:00

I join the chorus when I say absolutely not. When my family fell on hard times we resorted to food stamps to get by. You can never fully see the focus of the problem until you go into a government office to get assistance and you are the only white people in the building who speak English as a first language.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Feb 3 at 2017 12:34 AM

2017-02-03T00:34:50-05:00

The illegal alien is a pawn in a much larger political agenda that has been going on for over 50 years. Think of it as creating a State within a State. It causes chaos and brings change.
Open borders and a North American Union is the real agenda.
What should have been the agenda is the wall and helping Mexico developed itself. It is to late now due to debt.
G-d has ordered us to be nice to the traveler, widow and orphan. Do what you can when you see a need. We will not be alive forever.
M. Morris RVT

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Feb 3 at 2017 3:49 AM

2017-02-03T03:49:09-05:00

Ehhh, I am going to say it depends. What many folks are not thinking of here is the risk to larger society of not medically treating a sub-population of people that live among us. That is how epidemics start. So in the area of vaccinations, disease, and preventive medical care I would say yes. If they are too poor and do not have a job to provide for their families, I am OK with it as long as it remains short term and their trip out of the country is expedited.

Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Feb 3 at 2017 3:53 AM

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NO. Except for emergency lifesaving treatment.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 4:54 AM

2017-02-03T04:54:30-05:00

Nope

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 3 at 2017 5:08 AM

2017-02-03T05:08:17-05:00

Positively not ! Turn themselves In and be shipped home.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 3 at 2017 5:19 AM

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The old "praise in public, admonish in private." Order them to stand fast after formation . Give them moment to explain their insidious set-rep. then tell them what will be done to rectify the set -rep... which can range from not good to quite bad., depending on who's view it's coming from.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Feb 3 at 2017 5:37 AM

2017-02-03T05:37:09-05:00

Being here illegally means that you are a criminal and as such they belong in jail until they can be deported. The only meals that they are provided should be standard jail meals. The same for life saving medical care. Those caught here a second time should be put to work on a chain gang for a period of time before being deported.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 7:18 AM

2017-02-03T07:18:50-05:00

No,

Follow up question. Do we have any decent estimates of how many illegal immigrants actually use public assistance?

Response by TSgt Joe C. made Feb 3 at 2017 8:42 AM

2017-02-03T08:42:44-05:00

Absolutely..........NO!!

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Feb 3 at 2017 8:57 AM

2017-02-03T08:57:33-05:00

Honestly, no. It's a ridiculous system where someone who never contributes can receive the benefits, but if a regular working class American needed a helping hand they're denied.

I remember when I was homeless once. Living in my car. Working 70-75 hours a week and going to school trying to better my situation. I was denied low-income housing because "I made too much money".

But I knew people in that same housing project that have never worked a day in their life.

Do we have an immigration problem, yes. People shouldn't have to wait so long to become a citizen. If someone wants to become a member of the USA, then we should be welcoming to them. But that also doesn't mean we should be giving a free pass to those who don't go through the process that actual immigrants have gone through.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 9:04 AM

2017-02-03T09:04:44-05:00

No. If they are not legally in this country, then the benefits of being a citizen should not be afforded to them.

Response by SGT David T. made Feb 3 at 2017 9:30 AM

2017-02-03T09:30:21-05:00

I have an easy fix. Clip welfare and public assistance all together. See easy, problem solved. It will sort it self out after a while. :)

Response by PO1 Jason Looney made Feb 3 at 2017 9:57 AM

2017-02-03T09:57:02-05:00

Hello no

Response by PO3 Sandra Gomke made Feb 3 at 2017 10:36 AM

2017-02-03T10:36:37-05:00

Absolutely not!! Citizenship first, then the benefits of being a citizen. Learn the language, get a job, pay your bills. Illegal? Get the hell out!!
My father was a legal immigrant. With a sponsor and everything. He learned the language, had a job. We need to return to those basics! Employers who are too lazy to process a new hire with the appropriate tax forms and citizenship confirmation, should be held responsible for accidents in their company vehicles driven by illegal immigrants. Just as an example.

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Feb 3 at 2017 11:08 AM

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If we as citizens of this country do something illegal, we are wrong and must suffer the consequence of our actions. We can't violate the law, so how is it that a person who is not a citizen can break our laws and benefit, we can't. I just think about the little children to pay the price for their parents actions.

Response by SrA Renee StClair made Feb 3 at 2017 1:44 PM

2017-02-03T13:44:15-05:00

I feel only American citizens are the only ones to use welfare and public assistance.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Feb 3 at 2017 1:49 PM

2017-02-03T13:49:02-05:00

Sadly - we all pay for it. So while we may not like/approve/condone/want it, it is nevertheless sanctioned with pictures of dead presidents (money). So it is part and parcel of Americana. Not only that, but you vote it in too (well...most of you)! Follow the trail. Watch how your elected officials vote. Watch what they spend their time on. Kinda defeats your purposes/goals doesn't it? Not sure about your state, but in my state (Florida) one hospital in every major city is a "free/charity" hospital. And yet - the same people that voted it in, will then turn around and bleat loudy "why my med insurance so high?"

Why indeed.

So sadly - despite the resounding "NO/HELL NO" votes from the RP respondents, the un-insured (and by proxy, illegals) will continue to get care well into the year 2017 using all of our tax dollars. Why...may I be so stereotypical as to say that it will remain that way in to 2018 too? Nah...that'd be too mean...

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Feb 3 at 2017 2:06 PM

2017-02-03T14:06:31-05:00

If they are here illegally and intend to stay here illegally, the answer is absolutely not.
There should be a roadmap to citizenship that allows good people to become citizens. I watched several active duty Marines go through the process. Nobody can say they didn't earn it.

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Feb 3 at 2017 2:24 PM

2017-02-03T14:24:30-05:00

No. They have earned no equity in the US system. In the old days, an immigrant required a sponsor prior to coming to the US with an offered job unless a direct family member. Usually that job was offered by the sponsor. The attraction of the US is the social assistance programs and somehow employment falls by the wayside. A Hispanic gentleman that I worked with years ago, was appalled at illegals being allowed to come in when he had worked for seven years to become a citizen. He was angry and referred to those "sucking" off the system as ticks rather than contributing members of society.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 2:40 PM

2017-02-03T14:40:07-05:00

Wouldn't the question be better asked: "Should government welfare programs be opened up to illegal immigrants?" When I last applied for assistance (a few years ago), everything was tied to my SSN. No SSN, no benefits, and that only one of the hurdles.

What mental wrangling has to go on for someone to think that just anyone can sign up and start drawing right away?

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 2:43 PM

2017-02-03T14:43:26-05:00

This would take away from every immigrant who is here legally and went through the years long process that they took to become citizens here.

Response by GySgt Melissa Gravila made Feb 3 at 2017 2:57 PM

2017-02-03T14:57:19-05:00

Illegals do not pay taxes and taxes are where these subsidies come from. So, HELL TO THE NO!

Response by CWO4 James Seward made Feb 3 at 2017 3:32 PM

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Response by MSgt Terry Dorsey made Feb 3 at 2017 3:38 PM

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Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Feb 3 at 2017 4:15 PM

2017-02-03T16:15:06-05:00

No!-In fact if I recall correctly the two Boston Marathon bombers received public assistance, yes they were here legally but this certainly gave them the time and probably the money for their attack.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 5:15 PM

2017-02-03T17:15:08-05:00

key word illegal i'll leave it at that

Response by SPC Matthew Brinkley made Feb 3 at 2017 5:26 PM

2017-02-03T17:26:01-05:00

The wife deserves respect. But know your place you are not a soldier.

Response by MSgt Donald G. made Feb 3 at 2017 6:03 PM

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Absolutely not. Immigration should be used to better America, not drain it citizens by using welfare programs. If they, the immigrants, have a useful skill or trade, then they should be considered so long as they are willing to integrate and assimilate into America and abide by our laws.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Feb 3 at 2017 6:46 PM

2017-02-03T18:46:01-05:00

Illegal. No. They could work off their tab by building a wall. I know a guy.....

Response by 1SG Mike Case made Feb 3 at 2017 6:48 PM

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GO, preceeded by a NO and at combat speed, that is a NO-GO!

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Feb 3 at 2017 7:12 PM

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Not without becoming registered and having the same background check that a legal entrant would receive.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Feb 3 at 2017 7:40 PM

2017-02-03T19:40:20-05:00

Do chickens have lips??

Response by SGT Matthew S. made Feb 3 at 2017 9:00 PM

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In a word, no. The whole "illegal" part should sum that up pretty concisely.

Thoughts to the opposite of that confound me, though. For example, the states where university students here illegally are 1.) allowed to enroll, attend, & graduate; and 2.) granted in-state tuition rates when out-of-state citizen students are not.

In addition, the college my wife currently attends requires parking permits to park on campus. The idea was all fine and dandy until someone bought up the idea that it was unfair to those here illegally because to get a permit you have to possess a driver's license, and the illegals (supposedly) cannot get one. The fact that they shouldn't be driving without a license ought to have rendered it a moot point anyway, last I heard there was still serious consideration underway to abolish the whole parking permit system on that reason alone.

Although not welfare or public assistance on the second example, I just can't wrap my head around the logic behind that thinking.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 9:07 PM

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I do not think that they should. Do other countries allow people to come their illegally and use their public assistance?

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 10:32 PM

2017-02-03T22:32:20-05:00

HELL NO! They broke the law then you want to pay them to stay? Get out! Enough said.....

Response by MSG Alberto Rodriguez made Feb 3 at 2017 10:53 PM

2017-02-03T22:53:06-05:00

To answer your question, no, but then again, illegal aliens aren't entitled to public assistance, even some legal residents aren't entitled to all benefits.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 6:18 AM

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No!

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Feb 4 at 2017 12:30 PM

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Which public assistance resources is a better question. Would you deny medical assistance to a pedestrian hit by a car, lying in the street, after you do a wallet biopsy & discover they may be an illegal? Would you literally stand over a still alive person, badly injured & NOT call 911 for an ambulance? Blanket statements/one size fits all usually do NOT fit all.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 4:06 PM

2017-02-04T16:06:31-05:00

hell no

Response by Col Dona Marie Iversen made Feb 4 at 2017 8:46 PM

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ABSOLUTELY NOT! We need to take care of our own with the Vets being #1 first and foremost . Too many Americans are already scamming the system, leaving those that truly deserve deprived .

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Feb 5 at 2017 12:35 PM

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No! Illegals are not entitled to any of the benefits enjoyed by US Citizens. They committed a Federal crime by breaking into the US. The deserve a speedy and fair deportation hearing and a ticket on the next bus/boat/plane out of the US.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Feb 6 at 2017 9:52 AM

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No! Of course also think that day to day and official business should only be conducted in English.

Response by Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay made Feb 6 at 2017 11:57 AM

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Instead of making a rash judgement. I'd have to easily and quickly check if they would be more of an asset to our socio-economic system rather than a burden. That would mean a health check-up, a test of their skills and education, as well as a test on their determination to succeed and appreciation of what they can gain here through hard work.

Response by SPC Anna Larson made Feb 6 at 2017 1:40 PM

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I worked in a state welfare/Assistance office for a while. At that time (1998-2000) Illegals were NOT allowed to obtain assistance for themselves, but were counted on assistance for income purposes for any legal dependents. For example: one family--Father and Mother illegal, All children born in the USA and considered legal. So father and mother had to provide their income information and status, but were not counted in the amount of food stamps processed. Family of 5, Two illegals, 3 Legal--food stamps calculated for 3 people not 5. Technically though, the two illegals being the adults have control over the food stamps for the kids. Also it's been quite a while since I worked in the assistance office so I don't know if the rules have changed so much so as to allow illegals the access. If the law has changed so much as to allow the Illegal individuals to now count in the total number who receive benefits, then I do oppose that.

Response by PFC Timothy Ahern made Feb 6 at 2017 3:39 PM

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Definitely NOT

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 6 at 2017 7:37 PM

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I started salting money away, buying savings bonds shortly after I enlisted.
at first I didn't know if I would or not re-enlist. It didn't take long to make up my mind. I put on A1C when I completed basic
military training.. while at Bmt I I took the
By-pass test for a skill level as a Cook. I'd worked several years for my great Aunt in her Restaurant.. working my way up..
I had a plan.. and it came together.. I got in good with an AF recruiter(he's passed on to that recruiting station in the sky. ). I got tested and he got it back and I did my papers on my 17th b'day, couple days later
Did pre-physical and Friday final physical and sworn in. Went to Bms that night ..
Halfway through took by-pass skill level
Test.. Aced that... was at top of flight.. end of bms came, got sent to my unit.. e
Rest is history !

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 6 at 2017 11:59 PM

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Response by SSG Jeff Binkiewicz made Feb 7 at 2017 6:49 AM

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No.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Feb 7 at 2017 9:28 AM

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NO...Medicare, welfare, and other public assistance is funded out of tax dollars. You don't pay taxes, you don't get the benefit. If you are here legally on a work visa and need help for your family then yes because you are here LEGALLY. You are paying taxes because you are here LEGALLY. Otherwise...NO.

Response by PO1 John Watson made Feb 8 at 2017 7:37 AM

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We have American citizens , many who are veterans who are struggling for government assistance. Persons who came to America without going through the proper channels knew when they entered the US they were breaking the law and came at their own risk. They should not be able to reap the benefits that so many citizens struggle for.

Response by SFC Jim Tanquary made Feb 8 at 2017 9:58 AM

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The real problem is they are having anchor babies left and right and the benefits are being granted on behalf of the children. Then the parents benefit. I worked in a groc…[See More]

Response by PO2 Robert M. made Feb 8 at 2017 11:40 AM

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IMHO - NO
Your statement stated ILLEGAL - that implies breaking the law.
NO, nyet, negative, nein, Ne, Bee ya, Nah, Chúi muá..... in other words - NO!

Response by SPC Mary J Randall made Feb 8 at 2017 2:15 PM

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Call them what they are - illegal aliens. Yes, I do know that some illegals are decent people but when you stepped over the border, you became a criminal. In simple, a illegal alien is like a thief who breaks into your house but does not leave. He takes your money, your food, your property, everything you have worked for all your life including possibly your life. Do you know that if they need a attorney, they can get one and not have to pay for one but if you need one, you have to pay for one especially if you are out of the military and still might have to pay for one if this happen off-base. We have been having a problem with illegals for at least 40 years when Mexican women would cross our borders and have their children in our hospitals and we as US taxpayers get stuck paying for the bill and they then would apply for aide for dependent children, welfare and foodstamps and get out of this and cross our borders again and go back home and their children were given US citizenship when neither parent were US citizens. But you needing foodstamps especially if you are on Social security disability asking for foodstamps or Medicaid. Make too much but I have to pay rent, utilities, insurances, car note, was in a crash and totaled car last year and pay my credit cards off. If you have more then $1000 in a bank account, you can not get Medicaid. Ridicious. Idiots. Help US citizens first.

Response by PO1 James Friedman made Feb 9 at 2017 12:36 PM

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Not only no, but hell, no.

Response by PV2 Robert Bowne made Feb 9 at 2017 1:32 PM

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Ball Buster , sir

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 5:25 PM

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no and hell no, what part of illegal do you don't understand, just like many other countries have stated we must take care of our own first, until this can happen, close the boarders until proper vetting in place, remove the illegals and cut all benefits including the sanctuary cities, we are a melting pot but there were specific rules that are no longer being applied, as for Americans on welfare and public assistance, most not all are just plain lazy and would rather get a nice fat check at the tax payers expense than actually work, so this now becomes a 2 part question

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Feb 9 at 2017 7:18 PM

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No they are not citizens of this country so they are not entitled to its social programs.

Response by SCPO John Millar made Feb 14 at 2017 7:26 AM

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No way they should be deported

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Feb 14 at 2017 8:12 AM

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According to the Constitution, every person has basic human rights. Those basic right should be afforded to everyone in this nation. The rights and privileges provided by the US Constitution are for US Citizens. Hence, things like the right to vote is not extended to non-citizens. Public assistance or healthcare are not included except that we will not allow a person to starve or die due to the lack of healthcare, but that should be done while they are in custody prior to being deported. As our laws are written currently, it appears that a person born here is an American Citizen. That needs to be changed and at least one parent needs to be a US Citizen at the time of their birth. This would eliminate many of the legal problems we are having with anchor babies. Furthermore, I do believe that a good lawyer could argue that since the parents were illegal at the time of birth, the claim of citizenship is null and void.

In a court of law, judges do not enforce illegal contracts. Why can we not extend that to illegal immigrants?

Response by CW4 John Wheatley made Feb 14 at 2017 8:41 AM

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Came legally to this country in 1963 at that time I had to have a sponsor money in the bank and a job. The government specifically said I was not eligible for any type of government assistance for a period of 5 years. My sponsor was responsible for my health and welfare for that period of time.I came to the USA with the specific intent of joining the army and going to Vietnam. I had served 3 years in the Canadian Army before coming here and I was considered as prime candidate/catch I joined the Army the day after I arrived here.I did not get to RVN until January of !968 and I went a second time in September 1969. I had the honor of becoming a becoming a a US citizen in 1967 before I went to RVN the first time. This country did not owe me anything but gave me every thing I do not understand how ILLEGAL ALIENS( not immigrants) think that this country owes them any anything.

Response by SGT(P) Gloria Francis made Feb 14 at 2017 9:33 AM

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Illegal Immigration Myths I wish People Would Educate Themselves On Before Speaking:

****They Drain The System****
Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even LEGAL immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.

****They Don't Pay Taxes****
Undocumented immigrants are already U.S. taxpayers. Collectively, they paid an estimated $10.6 billion to state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a research organization that works on tax policy issues. Contributions varied by state. In Montana they contributed $2 million. In California, more than $2.2 billion. On average they pay about 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes, ITEP said.

****They don't pay into Social Security****
The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits. Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade.
"They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said.
As the baby boom generation ages and retires, immigrant workers are key to shoring up Social Security and counteracting the effects of the decline in U.S.-born workers paying into the system, Goss said. Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.

****They take American jobs****
The American economy needs immigrant workers. The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data. Removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 14 at 2017 11:19 AM

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No, our own citizens that have contributed or their family provider who has ...

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 14 at 2017 11:59 AM

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Usually it's Base, Wing or major brigade Cmr then Base Cmd Sgt Major, or Cmd CMSGT (AF). I'd. Been gone awhile and things have changed but not much.. it Depends where your at .. and what facility: Base HQ, ect.,.. Hospital..

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Feb 16 at 2017 3:15 PM

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NO! NO! NO! They are here illegally and don not deserve to be rewarded for it. Do they pay criminals who are in jail just because they are there?

Response by SPC Mary J Randall made Feb 16 at 2017 7:22 PM

2017-02-16T19:22:33-05:00

None. I do know that some illegals are decent people but when they cross our borders whether north, south, east or west illegally, it makes them criminal. A illegal alien is like a thief who breaks into your home and takes your money, your property, your housing, car, savings, job, education, neighborhood and possibly life. I do not want a thief in my house, do you?
Penalize the companies. If I have to get a visa to go into a country whether to work or visit, they should also coming into my country. We have had a problem with illegal aliens for at least 40 years when Mexican ladies would cross into our borders illegally and have their children in our hospitals and skip out without paying the bill and the hospitals down south almost went bankrupt until US taxpayers paid for it. The Mexican women would apply and receive aid to dependent children, foodstamps and welfare and get it when neither parent was a US citizen but if you are a US citizen, you are unable to get food stamps or medical care you need. There are only 2 countries in the world that give automatic citizenship to any child born within their borders, US and Canada. The illegals do not want to become American citizens, Why? They are already getting the money. As some have suggested, join the service before you are given any benefits and tell Mexico and other countries, to take care of their citizens, not US tax payers. Illegal aliens are not owed anything. We are getting ready to face the same problem with legal aliens also.

Response by 1LT Vance Titus made Feb 20 at 2017 2:13 PM

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No! "Illegal," that it.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2017 2:22 AM

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ABSOLUTELY not..... we have our own citizens that need/rate help, why the F would we help illegals?? I'm just saying, not directing anger towards you SPC...

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Feb 21 at 2017 4:16 AM

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Initially I said 'hell no' but after thinking about it more I'll say 'No! Except under special circumstances'

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Feb 21 at 2017 8:12 AM

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End access to any Federal or State welfare/public assistance programs to Illegal Aliens, including their family members who are born in the US and you will see decreases on the rolls of those specific programs.

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Feb 21 at 2017 10:41 AM

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No benefits, no protections, no rights or privileges. Oh./..no anchor children either.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 21 at 2017 12:05 PM

2017-02-21T12:05:04-05:00

No, hence the title "illegal" in the persons description.
The issue sometimes revolves around..its not "them" being given welfare or public assistance. It is an associated person, many times a minor "legally" a US citizen who receives the assistance. Of course that "legal" person would not be in the country getting welfare or public assistance but for the illegal actions the parent or guardian.

As to the actual illegal alien getting direct public assistance or resources, that of course happens as well, in sanctuary cities where local government refuse to obey the law, or emergency humanitarian assistance is given the illegal alien because as Americans we will not deny a illegal alien basic health care (emergence medicine) food or shelter.
We will deny all three to homeless persons of US citizenship..,,driving them from under bridges, out of abandoned buildings, saying do what you want but don't do it here in my city... But an illegal alien is literally a protected class given preferential treatment over US citizens.

Response by MSG Jay Jackson made Feb 21 at 2017 12:19 PM

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We need to change the way citizenship is done. You here illegally your new born does not get citizenship. One parent must be American and proved by DNA.

Response by SMSgt Roger Horton made Feb 22 at 2017 5:18 AM

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They should get any kind of public assistance but maybe a jail cell till they can be deported. Treat them like the country they come from treat their illegals. They have no rights.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2017 7:50 PM

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No such thing as an ILLEGAL Person. Politically correct word is Undocumented!! They need help to get on their feet and to get documented. Immigrants make America great. If they are offered assistance for food then they should be offered assistance on how to get docUmented

Response by TSgt James (Daniel) Shaw made Feb 22 at 2017 9:47 PM

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These programs are designed and built for American Citizens. Therefore ,you must be an American Citizen to take advantage of these programs. No exceptions. I don't see how this can be read any other way. End of story.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Feb 22 at 2017 11:39 PM

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nope!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2017 11:21 AM

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No.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2017 11:23 AM

2017-03-02T11:23:38-05:00

No.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 3:24 PM

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Considering illegal immigrants are not even eligible for public assistance, I'm not sure what the point of this was.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2017 12:04 PM

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No. We have become a destination point for the peoples of many nations not because of our freedoms and the opportunities we offer, but for our unbridled largesse. Unfortunately it is the politicians who are giving away the money earned by our nations citizens. And many of these politicians keep getting re-elected because of 'their' largesse at our expense.

Response by PO1 John Watson made Mar 9 at 2017 1:42 PM

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It would be a good time to begin deportation proceedings when an illegal applies for assistance.One problem is there are organizations that help illegals to gain assistance when they are turned away. When I see veterans homeless and hurting I have no compassion for criminals who knowingly entered America illegally.

Response by SPC Anthony Karanovich made Apr 19 at 2017 9:24 AM

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The hardest part for some people to understand is that if we allow illegal immigrants into our country then what is the point of immigration or immigration laws. When you break the law there are consequences otherwise what is the point of enforcing them. Immigration laws are in set to keep our country safe and from being over populated. There are thousands of people that immigrate legally everyday in the United States. What makes anyone more or less above the law to immigrate illegally in our country? The answer is simple no one is.

Response by SFC Robert Strickland made Apr 20 at 2017 1:47 PM

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Of course not, anchor babies be damned!

Response by PO1 John Watson made Apr 20 at 2017 3:40 PM

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t is a drain on the system that many American rely on for needed help. If a person entered the USA illegally then they should face criminal charges and be deported.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 7:20 PM

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ALL illegals should be sent back and the anchor baby laws repealed. Anyone that cannot prove someone in their direct line came to America LEGALLY or was an American citizen in the last 100 years should have US citizenship revoked and sent back to the country their parents came from.

The key phrase is they are here ILLEGALLY. As far as that goes, the Constitution is meant to apply to U.S. Citizens (and green card holders (IE people legally allowed into the U.S.) and does not apply to illegal immigrants. Therefore they should have no right to sue anyone in the United States, they are not entitled to our medical or welfare programs and they should not be allowed due process for anything in America.

Being in this country illegally should be a CAPITAL offense. Change the law, give them 120 days to wrap up their affairs and get out. Most will self deport at no cost to the American taxpayers, and this will alleviate many of the welfare, medical and education system problems in the United States.
At the end of 120 days, start rounding them up and have public hangings / executions and the rest will self-deport.
They can be welcomed back when they come back LEGALLY through a vetting process.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2017 1:32 PM

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This is a very easy question to answer. It is against the law for illegal immigrants to receive public assistance. That is exactly why our forefathers made it illegal in 1914, they knew the public would not be able to support everyone in the world that came here because we are such a generous people. "Each year, USCIS welcomes approximately 680,000 citizens during naturalization ceremonies across the United States and around the world." https://www.uscis.gov/archive/archive-news/naturalization-fact-sheet Be honest with yourself, if every person came to the US that wanted to, could we give them what they need to live or would our society collapse? If immigrants were to come here to support and provide input to society vs. take...

Naturalization Fact Sheet

The United States has a long history of welcoming immigrants from all parts of the world. During the last decade, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) welcomed more than 6.6 million naturalized citizens into the fabric of our nation. In fiscal year 2013, 777,416 individuals were naturalized, and in fiscal year 2014, 654,949 people were naturalized.

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Apr 23 at 2017 9:36 AM

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No.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Apr 23 at 2017 7:06 PM

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No, these programs should only be for Americans. You are right, we have to many of our own people, family with young children, older people and our veterans, police and fire personal. Those that have paid their taxes, who now need the benifites of the taxes they have paid. As a home owner, if you couldn't pay your home taxes in 2 years, you won't own that home. They will take it for taxes. My heart goes out to others out side our boarders, but it is time to look after our own first.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 10:51 AM

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Hell no. I wouldn't allow the illegal immigrant children into public schools either.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Apr 25 at 2017 11:53 AM

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Jesus Christ NO!

Response by PFC Robert Maynard made Apr 25 at 2017 1:02 PM

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No they should not have any help from the government they are not Americans

Response by PFC Robert Maynard made Apr 25 at 2017 1:06 PM

2017-04-25T13:06:43-04:00

Hell no send back

Response by CW4 Scott Hyde made Apr 25 at 2017 1:20 PM

2017-04-25T13:20:57-04:00

Rewarding criminal behavior. This is a great idea. What harm could it cause? You want to come to the US, there is a right way to do it. Public officials are afraid to take a firm stand on illegal immigration because they want to keep their jobs.

Response by SMSgt Philip Bride made Apr 26 at 2017 7:47 PM

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NO!

Response by CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern made Apr 26 at 2017 7:59 PM

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http://ezinearticles.com/?No-Human-Being-Is-Physically-Illegal---However,-They-Can-Be-Socially-Classified-As-Illegal&id=9663606

Excessive Traffic

Response by Joseph Lane made Apr 27 at 2017 8:32 AM

2017-04-27T08:32:38-04:00

As long as registered Democrats pay for it.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2017 10:09 AM

2017-04-27T10:09:18-04:00

If there is one thing I've learned in economics it's that 99% of the time, if you financially incentivize something, you'll get more of it. If you offer welfare to poor people who come to America, you'll get more poor people coming to America. Assuming society believes that we should encourage more net contributors to come to America so that the economy grows, rather than people who are net drains and drag down the economy, putting a moratorium on government assistance of any kind for a fixed period of time for immigrants and their children (whether born here or elsewhere), would be the best way to reduce the financial incentives for net drainers to come to America.

It's important to note that this policy wouldn't affect those who come with nothing but work hard to make a living, like the family depicted in the song "Kenji."

Of course, if society really wants to increase the number of poor in America, then the policy would be reversed into something more similar to the welfare laws in Hawai'i, where I've met many mentally ill people who had their family buy them a one-way ticket, and they went straight to the welfare office for their food stamp card with no proof of residency required. This was a very effective way to increase both the tax rate and and the homeless population.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Apr 27 at 2017 11:33 AM

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NO!

Response by PO1 James Friedman made Apr 27 at 2017 12:24 PM

2017-04-27T12:24:22-04:00

Two words!

ABSOLUTELY NOT

Response by SFC Harry (Billy) Tison made Apr 27 at 2017 3:24 PM

2017-04-27T15:24:47-04:00

No way, no how. This country spends too much money on illegals, when that money could be spent on the people who really need it, and they are Americans. I do think however that the system needs to be changed so that people who truly want to be here, can become legal without having to wait 8 years or more. We need to go back to the days of when people were processed through Ellis Island. Texas, I'm sure, would glad to have such a facility, as would New Mexico and Arizona. But I don't think California would be onboard such a thing

Response by SSG Randall Speck made Apr 27 at 2017 3:35 PM

2017-04-27T15:35:42-04:00

NO!

Response by MSG O'Connor Pat made Apr 27 at 2017 4:23 PM

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I now work in a large pediatric hospital in Los Angeles, and unfortunately the majority of our patients are non-English speaking recipients of MediCal. We are a Level 1 trauma center and treat many seriously ill acute and chronic patients; however, these families use the emergency department for non-urgent primary care issues daily and are overburdening our health care system while U.S. tax payers pay the bill. The federal EMTALA law (Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act) requires that every person requesting emergency services must be evaluated by a medical doctor and stabilized, so every person that comes in and says "I want to see a doctor, my child has a fever" or "My baby didn't poop today" go through our triage, evaluation, treatment, and discharge system. Did they take the temperature at home with a thermometer? no, "They felt hot". Did they give the child some Tylenol for fever, or a little prune juice to poop? no, but they packed up the whole family and came to the hospital and don't pay a dime! Illegals should be deported to their own country of origin and use the services there, if their country is broke then let them fix it.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 27 at 2017 11:22 PM

2017-04-27T23:22:18-04:00

No, I do not.

Response by MAJ Jim Henderson made Apr 30 at 2017 8:17 PM

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Absolutely NOT! If you do something illegal you can be pretty sure that you will not be rewarded.

Response by MSgt Edward Metz made May 2 at 2017 1:13 PM

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Illegai says it all! Definatly no!

Response by MAJ David Foley made May 3 at 2017 10:50 AM

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One word answer: NO

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2017 1:55 PM

2017-05-05T13:55:50-04:00

Very simple hell no

Response by SFC Tony Bennett made May 7 at 2017 10:13 PM

2017-05-07T22:13:30-04:00

That is part the problem with undocumented immigrants. There should be NO public assistance in any form. It's is a bit barbaric where emergency medical treatment is concerned. But it is just another mixed signal that the government sends. No benefits, no jobs = undocumented immigrant problem solved.

Response by SFC Tony Bennett made May 7 at 2017 10:14 PM

2017-05-07T22:14:44-04:00

Also, those who hire undocumented immigrants should be penalized out of business. That also will curb illegal immigration and the abuse of undocumented workers.

Response by SPC Calvin Williams made May 9 at 2017 12:14 AM

2017-05-09T00:14:40-04:00

Hell no!! This service should only be used by poor, legal citizens of the United States of America.

Response by SSgt Brian Newton made May 9 at 2017 10:16 AM

2017-05-09T10:16:53-04:00

This is a crazy question, in crazy times, and the common sense answer is that shouldn't be here anyway, and if they weren't here they couldn't leech off our system like a blood sucker. But absolutly not.

Response by SFC Eric Bast made May 9 at 2017 8:40 PM

2017-05-09T20:40:17-04:00

Absolutely not. First of all we have vets who are homeless (some by choice) and are not qualified for any aid or subsistence. Second weather the immigrants are working (performing jobs that most citizens won't do) or not, they are here illegally and are not entitled to the benefits of being a legal American citizen. I am tired of the bleeding hearts saying its a human right thing and the conservatives or Republicans are "racist" etc.. they are braking the law and should either be vetted and given the chance to become a legal American citizen and pay taxes and SS or sent back to their country of origin. We have laws in this country that are ignored most of the time by the far left and Democrats due to the laws don't suit their position. Tough! If I brake the law I expect to be prosecuted or charged with the crime. And in 99% of the time the law abiding citizen will be charged. I served my country for 20 years and not once did I ever expect anything from my country other than what I am entitled to through hard work, sacrifices and paying my taxes. Hell we have American citizens who have never worked a day in their life and expect to have a free ride for everything because of their color or gender. And I think we are at least in our 4th or 5th generation of the entitled. And complain when they might have to work or perform some type of service to their community or country to receive what ever it is that they want. Our great country has fallen off the cliff and I fear I will never live long enough to see it recover due to the liberal thinking and "the ME" generation.

Response by SFC Eric Bast made May 9 at 2017 8:41 PM

2017-05-09T20:41:15-04:00

Absolutely not! I agree with LTC .

Response by Col John Verling made May 10 at 2017 8:35 PM

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NO! Who would suggest otherwise?

Response by SPC David Hannaman made May 10 at 2017 10:38 PM

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Personally I don't think LEGAL immigrants should have access to them, become a citizen, THEN you can have access to non-emergency services (don't want foreign guests dying on us).

I don't go to other countries thinking that I'll get benefits from THEIR government...

Response by SFC Eric Bast made May 11 at 2017 1:43 PM

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No the term illegal says it all. Under this countries laws they can come here and request to become a legal citizen. But until the illegals go through the process they are criminals and should not have any assistance from our government. Only emergency medical treatment to sustain life saving procedures and than sent back to their country of origin.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2017 6:00 PM

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I think the key word there is "illegal". They have already broken the law.

Response by MAJ David Foley made May 11 at 2017 10:33 PM

2017-05-11T22:33:57-04:00

No. And No. And NO!

Response by SgtMaj Robert Williams made May 12 at 2017 5:55 AM

2017-05-12T05:55:05-04:00

H--- No. They need to become lrgal and pay taxes like all of us have been doing for years.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2017 3:05 PM

2017-05-12T15:05:29-04:00

Very Simple not only NO but NO.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made May 12 at 2017 6:00 PM

2017-05-12T18:00:15-04:00

Get them to a detention center, process them for return back to where they come from. Put some sustenance in them and load them up and send them home..

Response by SPC Les Darbison made May 15 at 2017 3:08 AM

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A liberal asked a Christian how would Jesus treat an illegal his answer was simple! There's a wall around Heaven a gate and extreme vetting to get in enough said!

Response by SPC Les Darbison made May 15 at 2017 3:28 AM

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I can't believe as far as I read the posts here not a single snowflake took up the cause of Illegals. Thank you, Brothers. I was at a meeting with our County Sheriff where he was touting his new program of getting 2-year degrees for his inmates. The younger Vet I was seating with 36 just about blew a gasket. It hit me too, he's still using his hard earned benefits and I made a good income with the education I got from my hard-earned GI benefits. Illegals and criminals get benefits we don't get for free.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made May 15 at 2017 4:13 PM

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Persons that enter this country through other than legal channels should be sent packing. I don't care where they go but not here. These folks come here for all the free hand outs they are give and rights they are given that are really for LEGAL US CITIZENS ONLY. The more we coddle these people, establish amnesty cities, counties and states the more we are erecting giant billboards advertising the fact that if they come here we will feed, cloth and provide cover place a few hundred dollars that usually are sent right back to Mexico Go to any Mexican grocery store round welfare day and you will see illegals lined up to wire money, via Western Union "home" which is their country of origin. Then they have the nerve to slap us around with our own Constitution, they bring and display flags from their country of origin and run around yelling "viva la raza." Now they want all written and spoken material in their own native language. I recently received a document from I don't recall who but there was an additional page included that was written in 13 non-english languages. Think about the cost of creating just that one document alone. Cost to pay translators and if they are paid by our government they are being reimbursed at top dollar, then the cost of printing millions of copy, stuff them in huge mailings

Response by PO2 Richard Sibley made May 16 at 2017 3:08 PM

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hell no

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2017 1:48 AM

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Hmm. I say no as well. It pains me to say this especially when children are involved. It also pisses me off when I hear words such as " Send those Mexicans back to their country!". I happened to be born in Mexico and was naturalized in 1999. So I take great offense to this. As it stands, undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years. How do I know? I used to work at Texas Workforce where many people come to apply for public assistance. Most illegals contribute and pay taxes whether they know it or not. Almost all of them will never received what they have contributed. They have contributed to our economy totaling in the billions of dollars and most Americans think that they come here to get on public assistance. It is a well known fact that the majority of Americans on welfare are white Americans, not Blacks, or Hispanics, but whites. Just saying. The fact still remains that illegals have broken the law, but damn it's a misdemeanor at best. If I am wrong please correct me. Not justifying the action, but when I hear such things like : they are criminals " I have to say. Of course they are, but they are no terrorist and many are not violent. They tend to be low key fearful of being deported. Some are bad apples, but which population doesn't have any? It makes all the hype when an illegal commits a violent crime, but we know very well that most crimes in America are committed by Americans. I am a proud American who served my country and think that everyone should contribute and do their part. No free rides because if I can do it, so can they.

Response by Sgt Albert Castro made May 17 at 2017 2:17 AM

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No! Entitlements are already a big drain on the country's GDP. Thanks to the last administration's DACA act and leniency on our Immigration Laws, Illegals are also drawing Medicaid from the ACA (Obamacare) and Section 8 housing. We pay for that and it cost billions a year. I'd rather pay for Public Assistance for low income Americans and Our Veterans. Not Illegals.

Response by MCPO Bernard N. made May 17 at 2017 8:00 AM

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Heck NO!

Response by LCpl Rocky Espinoza made May 18 at 2017 5:35 AM

2017-05-18T05:35:04-04:00

You cannot mince the words,"illegal",and,"immigrant"... It is like mixing water and oil... Illegal entry into our country or any other country,is considered an invasion,(as if someone illegally enters your home... Immigration is,an invite to formally be vetted and follow the proper procedures in documenting one's self... An invader is to be shot on site,plain and simple... Semper Fi

Response by SSgt John Carter made May 18 at 2017 1:25 PM

2017-05-18T13:25:32-04:00

Generally they aren't eligible except under very limited circumstances. Emergencies, well, we're all human beings and compassion is first.

Response by Sgt Brian Chin made May 18 at 2017 3:08 PM

2017-05-18T15:08:18-04:00

No.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2017 4:17 PM

2017-05-18T16:17:48-04:00

No

Why should people be receiving or entitled to benefits that you had to enlist and possibly deploy/get shot at/blown up/a haircut/pass a pt test for? There are tens of millions of people receiving in essence BAS. They get it for absolutely nothing. There are so many more getting essentially BAH for nothing. I'm not overly familiar with the cash payments system, but I know they exist.

Why would any sane and rational person give incentive for people to break the law by providing them with benefits when they choose to do so.

If you knew you'd get a pay raise by giving the universal salute and being drunk on duty, you'd be more likely to do it. It's the same with creating essentially a bonus for breaking the law.

I've often commented that the national guard and reserve could secure the border through their training cycles. Be more useful than some things I've seen.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made May 18 at 2017 7:08 PM

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https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/facts-about-individual-tax-identification-number-itin

The Facts About the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN)

The Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to ensure that people – including unauthorized immigrants – pay taxes even if they do not have a Social Security number and regardless of their immigration status.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made May 18 at 2017 7:14 PM

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NO!

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made May 18 at 2017 10:51 PM

2017-05-18T22:51:31-04:00

After they pay a 50% tax on all remittances to their country of origin! Then, they could be considered for public assistance!

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made May 18 at 2017 11:08 PM

2017-05-18T23:08:30-04:00

No. Over.

Response by PO1 Robert Johnson made May 19 at 2017 1:21 PM

2017-05-19T13:21:05-04:00

As has already been pointed out, the key word here is "Illegal". I am now and always have been opposed to any illegal alien receiving any benefits from our local, state or national governments. It is not rational to reward someone who has broken our laws. It's not just that they crossed our border without properly obtaining permission, they use false identification to obtain services.
By providing these services, the government is in fact rewarding bad behavior and puts a major drain on tax payers.

Response by PO1 Mike Washburne made May 20 at 2017 9:06 AM

2017-05-20T09:06:39-04:00

Not only no, but hell no! They came purposely illegally. We have hundreds of thousands of vets that are homeless, in need of health care and jobs. That is where the money should go!

Response by SFC Charles Temm made May 20 at 2017 4:19 PM

2017-05-20T16:19:08-04:00

No

Illegal immigrants should not be able to access anything EXCEPT emergency life saving medical aid from any taxpayer supported organization/group

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 20 at 2017 5:50 PM

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They don't

Response by Daniel McEleney made May 21 at 2017 5:02 PM

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It used to be that a immigrants would have to have a sponsor who would help them get settled, find a place for them and make sure that they were not a drain on society . Now the government does that for illegal immigrants.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2017 5:27 AM

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NO!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2017 12:31 PM

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Illegal immigrants can't get welfare. They do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and most other public benefits. You have to have proof of legal immigration status to get those and even then, most legal immigrants can't get those until they've been in the US for more than five years. Children of illegal immigrants born here qualify for social benefits - but without children born in the US no illegal immigrant is going to get those. They can get schooling and emergency medical care.
It's funny people don't want illegal immigrants to get welfare but yet it's okay when lazy, useless Americans apply for and get government assistance quite often. Yeah it does suck when hard working people get denied benefits. I know my friend needed some help for a little bit and she and her husband couldn't get benefits because they made too much. I was directed after my daughter was born to go to WIC just for formula - I got told I make too much. Yet there are degenerates like my ex husband who get EBT and who get assistance and they rarely work, don't pay their child support, don't take care of responsibilities and mooch off the government and everyone around them. I would much rather a hard working undocumented immigrant got the EBT that my ex husband gets.

Here are other myths about illegal immigrants: they don't pay taxes. But they do. Estimated 10.6 billion in 2010. 50-75% file and pay income taxes each year. They also do pay into Social Security. They contribute more than they will ever get in public benefits. Or the myth they take jobs - without them the American economy would suffer. If you would remove the 8 million undocumented workers that would not open 8 million jobs for unemployed Americans. The economy would lose jobs if you got rid of undocumented workers.

If you want people to immigrate legally then we need serious immigration reform. It costs about $200 - $700 just to get a permanent visa. That doesn't count legal fees. Not many people coming from poor, third world countries can afford that. It's very easy for those of us born in the US to sit atop our ivory towers and tell people to do things the "right way" when we are only US citizens by pure luck.

Response by SGT Fred Donovan made May 22 at 2017 1:20 PM

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Hell no

Response by MGySgt James Forward made May 22 at 2017 3:41 PM

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That would be a Hell NO.

Response by CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern made May 22 at 2017 7:19 PM

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Ellle Wiesel, 1928-2016 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Holocaust survivor, author, Legal Immigrant and US Citizen said, "You who are so-called illegal aliens must know that no human being is illegal." He asked, "How can a human being be illegal?"

Saying a person cannot be illegal may be true but, a person who has entered or attempted to enter a country illegally is by definition illegal. Twisting words and terms to benefit our belief is sophism; defined as, "a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone; any false argument; fallacy. The use of the word Illegal Immigration must never be confused or included in the definition of Legal Immigration.

Those who are adamantly supportive of considering all immigrants under the same banner are duplicitous, refusing to admit an individual described as an illegal, is foremost a criminal. Those who apply for entry into the US follow established procedures and background investigations before they are considered for school, temporary work or permanent resident visa's or green cards to name a few, are Immigrants. Those who enter any other way, those who do not have passports, and those who do not have permission to enter the US are Illegal.

Those who come here for seasonal of full-time work without Green Cards are Illegal. Those with Green Cards are Immigrants until they overstay their visa or do not return to their country of origin whereby, they become Illegal the day after their authorization expires.

According to Federation For Illegal Immigration Reform, "Apologists for illegal immigration try to paint it as a victimless crime, but the fact is that illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population - the poor, minorities, and children." Most sources agree the Illegal Immigration cost to the American Taxpayer at the State and Federal level exceeds $118 billion per annum. Imagine how much this money could benefit American Citizens in our poor inner cities.

Obviously, federal action is required to correct our longstanding problem of Illegals entering through our ports and borders. Those who have been here for many years, have stable jobs, are not felons, or involved in gangs, those who desire to become citizens, and for other normally law-abiding illegals, we must find a way to reform our system providing a pathway to citizenship and place effective deterrents in place to dissuade illegal entry.

We must return to when immigrants came to America to be part of the American Dream. When they came here, found jobs, worked hard, and did not come here to take advantage of American generosity. Illegal is just that, Illegal. Political Agendas designed to confuse and mislead in addition to Groups and Organizations that promote Civil Disobedience, these duplicitous, sophism activists who prey on the least educated and poorest people to keep their delusional events and activities alive must be accountable to pay for the damages caused during their protest, riots, and looting; and pay the cost of Illegal Immigration. If they did these things, they would finally admit the definition of the word Immigration, does not include the word Illegal.

I agree, a person cannot be physically illegal, but by their actions, they can be socially classified as illegal because of their decision to break the immigration laws of the United States.

Response by SFC Ssg Sabin made May 22 at 2017 9:00 PM

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No!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 22 at 2017 9:01 PM

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I'm sad every time somebody drags their hate here just so they can get the other bobble heads going. Go ahead hate the poor and pick your own vegetables.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made May 23 at 2017 2:28 PM

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Response by SP5 Patricia Campbell made May 23 at 2017 10:20 PM

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Response by PO1 Mike Washburne made May 24 at 2017 2:30 PM

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I have already responded to the original question. SSgt. Tilton has posted about service members(?) who are not citizens are being deported! When I was in both the USMC and the Submarine Service, an enlistee HAD to be a citizen! When did illegals get allowed to enlist. They have no allegiance to this country.

Response by PO2 Suzan Reed made May 24 at 2017 5:12 PM

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Heck NO

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2017 5:51 PM

2017-05-24T17:51:07-04:00

NO. EVERYTHING ILLEGALS AND THAT INCLUDES THE ONES THAT ODUMMER STARTED BRINGING IN ARE THIEVES PURE AND SIMPLE AND NOT ONE THING THEY DO EVEN BREATH IN THIS COUNTRY IS LEGAL AT ALL!!!
So the ONLY thing ALL illegals should get from this country is a BOOT in their backsides even the kids any kids of illegals should be shipped back to the MOST remote place in their country as far from the USA as poss. And I am in favor of the way one of our presidents did it. Round them up, put them on a ship and keep them below deck for the whole trip and the rest above is the way he dropped them off. And any of the snowflakes in this country that do not like it and any muslim that came here legally and the odummer and the left bringing them in around out system does not make them legal. THOSE low lifes have raped, murdered and attacked us in other ways already and should ALL be removed and NONE of what the left wants brought in allowed.

And ANY ILLEGAL of any kind should never be allowed to ever come into this country for any reason ever nore their kids.

Response by MSgt Gerald Orvis made May 24 at 2017 7:03 PM

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I think that illegal aliens should get NOTHING on the public dime - no food stamps, no use of the emergency room, no drivers licenses, no school or free lunches for their kids, - NOTHING except maybe a free ride (with a warning) back to their country of origin. I also don't believe that anchor babies begotten of illegal aliens should be automatic citizens - when their parents are deported, the kid shouldn't be separated from them. In my area (which is quite liberal about illegal aliens) I drive by shopping centers and see hundreds of these guys standing around waiting for somebody to drive up and hire them for the day. They get paid under the table in cash (probably less than minimum wage) upon which they pay no tax. Meanwhile, young people who are U.S. citizens (high school kids and high school grads) who are looking for jobs can't find any because they are taken up by illegal parasites. I believe that anybody that knowlingly hires an illegal undocumented alien should get dinged with a big fine for each violation. My belief is if illegal aliens can't find work and can't get social benefits for themselves or their families, they'll leave. It sounds hard, I know, but I think it's the only way the U.S. is going to be rid of this problem. There are lots of people who want to get into this country and who are willing to do it legally (like my French son-in-law) that would add a lot of value to the U.S. We don't need illegal aliens.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2017 8:52 PM

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Only time I see an illegal immigrant flash an American flag is when they are going to benefit from it, most of the time they are flashing a Mexican flag. I think we could spend the money on continuous RQ-9 sorties over the Mexican America boarder, loaded to the gills with Hellfire's.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2017 10:16 PM

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It sounds uncaring, but no. Should not even be up for debate until all American citizens have a roof, food, clothing, and minimal medical care, which means never. No foreign aid either for that matter. We take care of America first and if we can afford any benevolence that's up for debate. Emergency medical is the only exception, and just enough to sustain life until they are deported. OT but we should not allow immigrants that have not made a reasonable effort to become a citizen stay either. Both benefits and citizenship are contingent on one obeying the law. We should not reward people for breaking the law, and especially when we incarcerate citizens that do. Land of opportunity is for those willing to work for it and do it legally.

Response by PO1 Mike Washburne made May 24 at 2017 10:49 PM

2017-05-24T22:49:38-04:00

I am done with listening to people who would coddle illegals and Islamic terrorists. Goodbye

Response by PO1 Roger Waddle made May 25 at 2017 1:32 PM

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Absolutely not

Response by CMSgt Gary Fichman made May 25 at 2017 5:34 PM

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They are in this country illegally. They should not receive benefits.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 5:43 PM

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Absolutely not!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 6:49 PM

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No, they are draining our economy and making a mess of our welfare system as it is already. They have baby after baby just to get more money and assistance and the majority of the time it's not the same father or they aren't even married so they can collect the money or assistance.

Then you see them in the stores using their cards to buy the most expensive stuff they can get away with and then when they have to pay cash they pull out these thick wad of bills to pay the cashier with 100's

Makes me sick! Our veterans are starving and homeless, we should be focusing on them not the illegals!

Response by Cpl Terry Fowler made May 27 at 2017 2:00 AM

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No a person should only recieve any benifits until they are legal

Response by Cpl Terry Fowler made May 27 at 2017 2:04 AM

2017-05-27T02:04:34-04:00

Hell No we have problems taking care of our citizens the last thing this country needs is a drain of benefits from illegal immigrants

Response by CPO Dave Mcneeley made May 27 at 2017 10:29 PM

2017-05-27T22:29:16-04:00

Of course not they no rights

Response by CPO Dave Mcneeley made May 27 at 2017 11:03 PM

2017-05-27T23:03:57-04:00

Of course not

Response by CPO Dave Mcneeley made May 27 at 2017 11:09 PM

2017-05-27T23:09:44-04:00

Hell no

Response by SPC Terry Keffer made May 28 at 2017 11:42 AM

2017-05-28T11:42:26-04:00

why should my hard earn tax dollar pay for illegal immigrants

Response by PO3 Greg Gehrke made May 30 at 2017 7:32 PM

2017-05-30T19:32:54-04:00

2 negatives make a positive...in MATH not citizenship,,,,

Response by Mike Fletcher made May 31 at 2017 12:01 PM

2017-05-31T12:01:10-04:00

No!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2017 5:58 PM

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God, there are so many loopholes in the welfare system it should be fixed. we have Americans who should even be on it but are and are abusing the system. Illegals no. Americans citizens that are abusing it no as well.

Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Jun 1 at 2017 1:47 AM

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Absolutely Hell NO! And those seeking benefits should be required to undergo initial and random (after the fact) drug screening to be eligible for and maintain their eligibility for the benefits.

Response by TSgt Daniel Wareham made Jun 2 at 2017 12:42 AM

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No only No, but HELL NO. They should be deported regardless of how long they've here, breaking the law every day, or what their family situation is.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2017 2:49 PM

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This is an example where legality and compassion collide. When a person illegally enters to the US, they do not have U.S citizen rights and benefits. It does not matter if US has enough resource or not. The law is the law. However, most illegal immigrants come here for better lives. They risk their lives to come here. If they could have decent lives in their own countries, they would not have come here. They hide and work in the shadows so they can support themselves and provide food back home. Human migration has been for thousand of years. They do work that many Americans do not want with lower minimum wages. Therefore, it is hard for me to say, "F you" and "go back home". On top of that, illegal immigrants contribute to the US economy. We often demand cheap food and produce, but we do not want to work in harsh environment like picking up fruits and chicken factory. Illegal immigrants fill the void of this job vacancy. There are few programs for foreigner workers. However, the regulations are lengthy and complicated. Many employers do not want to do extra work. So, if we want to condemn and deny help these illegal immigrants, shall we enforce the law and punish these employers? These employers technically enable these illegal immigrants to move here and stay here. We have and enforce the laws that punish prostitute payers. I have not heard on the news how the law enforcement come after these employers. As long as US is greatly richer than many neighboring countries and some employers hire these illegal immigrants, we always have illegal immigration problems. On top of these problems, there is a public health and safety. If these illegal immigrants do not have enough clean food and shelter, they might be a threat to public health and safety. Think of infection diseases, drugs, and petty thefts. So, to answer your original question, it is more complicated than just about enough resources.

Response by SPC James Vollrath made Jun 3 at 2017 11:04 AM

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Hell No, why is the word "illegal" so hard to understand, get caught doing something illegal and see who pays the penalty

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Jun 4 at 2017 12:11 PM

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Should Illegals be able to use welfare/public assistance? In a word, "No". That being said, I believe we should expand the temporary worker visa program, so that those who wish to come here and work, are able to do so. There is clearly a market for their services. Additionally, those on worker visas would be bound to have taxes extorted from them... just like the rest of us. So, yes, the Illegals should be fired, and those available jobs should be made available to those on temporary work visas.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 2:47 PM

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Undocumented immigrants CANNOT use welfare/ public assistance....
try again.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 2:53 PM

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Immigrants in the country illegally CANNOT apply or receive welfare/ public assistance. So, no, they shouldnt. Congratulation on asking such a redundant question.
Only citizens can receive these benefits. For example, children who are US born citizens, regardless of who their parents are.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 5:10 PM

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Somehow it has become unacceptable to put Americans before everyone else. I'd love to help the world...as soon as we fix our problems at home.

Response by PVT Thomas Kielar made Jun 7 at 2017 9:49 AM

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None of them should have them!

Response by Cpl Joshua Caldwell made Jun 7 at 2017 12:50 PM

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Hell no, for starters they are trespassing in our country to begin with, so they need to leave of their own free will or be deported. Secondly, as a sovereign nation, we get to choose who we accept as citizens. If you can't feed or house yourself, then you should not be here even as a legal immigrant. We have enough of our own losers, we don't need to import any.

Response by CW5 Ivan Murdock made Jun 8 at 2017 7:21 AM

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Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jun 8 at 2017 10:18 AM

2017-06-08T10:18:28-04:00

Not only no, but HELL F##CKING NO!! If anything they need to be rounded up and shipped back to where they came form. What part of illegal is legal??

Response by PO1 Keith Kilby made Jun 8 at 2017 4:10 PM

2017-06-08T16:10:49-04:00

Hell NO

Response by Dennis Aubuchon made Jun 10 at 2017 8:47 PM

2017-06-10T20:47:52-04:00

Our welfare and public assistance systems are meant for our citizens not illegal immigrants. The welfare and public assistance programs are not fraud free and I believe that some Americans are denied assistance for which they qualify but when we provide these services to illegal immigrants it is less money that is available for our own citizens.

Response by SPC Kevin Manning made Jun 10 at 2017 11:25 PM

2017-06-10T23:25:37-04:00

No I don't think they should get any kind of assistance

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2017 8:44 PM

2017-06-11T20:44:38-04:00

Yes if they contribute more than they take; on the other hand, all people must be waned off welfare after a couple of years, including free loader Americans; people must work to eat; or go hungry if they are lazy, fully able to work but choose to steal from hard working tax payers.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2017 8:53 PM

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There must be a merit system to attract hardworking immigrants and fire entitled Americans lazy freeloaders; any illegals who can serve 3 combat tours got my vote.

Response by SFC Ron Gitzendanner made Jun 11 at 2017 10:35 PM

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Absolutely not!!!!!

Response by SrA Tony Schamberger made Jun 12 at 2017 1:17 AM

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I work for the ACA, they do not get handouts. In addition all information is checked against the DoHS, IRS and other "federal agencies". So from atleast the Affordable care method of "handouts", it doesn't seem to happen and can be quite contradictory if they did.

I agree with the others, come here legally, pay in and get benefits like we do. Not a free meal ticket.

Response by Capt Robert Sandmeyer made Jun 13 at 2017 9:42 AM

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Every thing that happens in this country is because Congress wants it to happen this way..If they did't they would pass a law......

Response by LTC Jim Chapman made Jun 13 at 2017 11:30 PM

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Anyone that didn't get here legally, shouldn't benefit from anything here. If l can get into an NFL game "illegally", then should I still be allowed to watch the game until it"s over? If I steal a car and get away with it, do I get to keep it? Of course not. You get legal, then you get benefits. What's so hard about that?

Response by MSgt Raymond Hickey made Jun 15 at 2017 5:36 PM

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In a word...NO...Hell No

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jun 16 at 2017 11:24 AM

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I didn't see ANYONE who answered YES... So just HOW do those that support such nonsense get elected, hired or whatever?

Response by CW5 Randall Hirsch made Jun 17 at 2017 9:49 PM

2017-06-17T21:49:11-04:00

Absolutely not. The money spent on them could be spent on vets who are homeless.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2017 12:37 AM

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Not even sure why this discussion comes up. Nor do I believe in anchor babies. I never agreed with service members children having any less rights than their parents. No dual citizenship for military members children nor by parents with visas or any of that shit.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2017 10:32 AM

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No.
My guess is that if it were not for the benefits paid by local, state, and federal governments, the numbers would be far smaller than they are.
The thing is, if we incentivize bad behavior, bad behavior will multiply.
Remember back in 1995 (I think) when "Welfare as we know it is over" and the requirement was that if you were able-bodied that you had to get a job within five years? The welfare rolls dropped dramatically almost immediately.
But then as the folks who wouldn't or couldn't get a job started seeing their benefits cut off, the hew and cry was deafening, and waivers started to be issued... to the point where that five year limit is now meaningless.

Enforce that law and watch the magic happen.

Response by CPL Bryan Thornton made Jun 19 at 2017 1:34 PM

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I lean left on a lot of stuff, but not here. You don't pay into the taxes (all of them) then you don't get the services they provide. you obey the laws of the nation if you want to take part in its benefits.

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jun 19 at 2017 2:13 PM

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SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Not just no, hell no!

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2017 2:17 PM

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Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Jun 19 at 2017 4:03 PM

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No and we should really wean some of our own off the system....

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made Jun 19 at 2017 6:40 PM

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Not NO, but H--L NO!!!! Ask anyone that came here legally and you will get the same response.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2017 4:27 AM

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Hell, HEll, HELl, HELL, NOOO!

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2017 9:35 AM

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i don't think anyone should in general, i work hard to pay my bills and feed my family, why should anyone get extra help, i would love extra help but instead of running to the government for help, i have 2 jobs,(who by the way treats people like crap). Most people using public assistance are citizens because illegals can't get it anyways.

Response by LCpl Michael Parker made Jun 20 at 2017 10:48 PM

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No Illegals should not receive any taxpayer funding. The argument that they do jbs that Americans won't is Bull! prior to my enlistment I tried to work fields here in my area the reasons I was denied were (1) I was too fair skinned and would burn (No work comp.) (2) I did not speak Spanish and (3) I was to tall they were afraid I would hurt my back (What BS).

in a state that is openly a sanctuary state I can tell you first hand this is a issue that erodes the values of America (2) it blatantly disrespects the immigrants that come here legally and work hard to assimilate and prosper here I am not against immigration but we should have far better control of our boarders than we have had for many years.

Strong boarders enhance any nations security.
With less people draining the system for support there is also more funds available for those who need it and earned it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2017 8:35 PM

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Why is this being discussed in the first place. Please let's stick to military issues

Response by SPC Philip La Spina made Jun 21 at 2017 9:27 PM

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No, not ever! Taking care of our own is top priority. Their title explains what they deserve, they're illegals, so jail & deportation is all they deserve!

Response by SSG Howard Dennard made Jun 22 at 2017 12:48 AM

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In a word, NO! These people are criminals, they broke the law by illegally entering our country. The only assistance they should receive is a fast deportation assist.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2017 7:47 AM

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Immigrants sure, illegal immigrants no way in hell should they be provided benefits!

Response by PO2 Alden Dean made Jun 25 at 2017 11:23 AM

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Nothing only should they be denied Welfare and Public Assistance; they should be deported. They are ILLEGAL after all and shouldn't be here. This country can only hold so many CITIZENS. If we are to hold many more, this country will look like the over-crowded other countries with too many people. I am for helping other lands but keep their citizenry there not here.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Jun 27 at 2017 11:14 AM

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Do I think they should be able to use welfare and public assistance no. With that being said I do think that the laws for getting a visa needs to be updated. I think that it should be easier to get a visa for lets say a migrant farmer. That way they pay taxes but can also go home to see their families without having to come in illegally. I also think that unless you are disabled and can't work to receive welfare you had better have a job. I know a few programs like BF&ET and Tanif allow for free or reduced childcare, so the I don't have a babysitter doesn't apply. I'm so pissed when people like my sister get food stamps and cash for sitting on her ass all day because she had two kids. 39 years old and she has only ever had 1 job and it was for 2 years.

Response by PO1 David Wright made Jun 28 at 2017 1:32 PM

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Absolutely not

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Jun 28 at 2017 1:44 PM

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Response by PO1 Mike Washburne made Jun 29 at 2017 12:29 PM

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Absof--ckinglutely not! No discussion necessary!

Response by PO1 Gerald Sutton made Jun 29 at 2017 1:41 PM

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They don't. Is this another question to fire up the alt right? It may surprise some people that even the illegals pay taxes and get nothing for them. They pay rent, utilities , groceries and if you're paying attention, you'll notice many farmers are in trouble because they have to depend on non-immigrant labor. No one wants to pick strawberries for 10 hours a day.

Response by Sgt John McRae made Jun 29 at 2017 2:49 PM

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We should give all of the same support and public assistance we as Americans could count on in their country if we entered illegally.

Response by Maj Walter Kilar made Jun 29 at 2017 7:36 PM

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There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. If they are here illegally, they are illegal aliens, criminals, thieves, and/or cheaters. Pick any term other than whatever silly term the media are pushing onto us to play on the emotions of the weak-minded. The answer is "no". No, they do not deserve anything other than a one-way ticket to a) wherever they came from or b) wherever their criminal parents who put them into this situation came from.

Response by SrA Homer Yates made Jun 29 at 2017 10:52 PM

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What is it about the word ILLEGAL that people don't understand? Why does the government think that they should be in the health care business anyway!

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jun 30 at 2017 9:11 AM

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What I don't understand is why there continues to be a question about this... the word is ILLEGAL ! ! ! What need is there to say anything else?

Response by SGT Wayne Gains made Jun 30 at 2017 3:40 PM

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no right now the system is bogged down by the extra people who do belong in this country. the school system are totally overburdened as it struggles to educate people who do belong here. then you add the extra weight of those who don't. if we would cut down the welfare privileges; the tax privileges (something like $6bil was paid out in earned income credit for kids not in America due to a loophole congress wont fix) ; the emergency room privileges which the rest of us have to pay for. and if we would levy heavy fines against landlords and businesses employing and renting to them. while i was delivering mail there was one apartment that had 6 African males in it and each was getting an unemployment check. still trying to figure out how a work permit equates to an unemployment check permit.

Response by Cpl Armando Mireles made Jun 30 at 2017 5:38 PM

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Touchy subject. My parents, grand parents immigrated to the U.S. and became U.S. citizens. They never asked for welfare. So I would say unless you are here legally you are not entitled for welfare.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jul 2 at 2017 3:32 PM

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No. I think considering all the illegal aliens is of any relevance in this question. We can't even take of our own without supporting those who haven't used the legal procedures to get here anyway.

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Jul 3 at 2017 2:23 PM

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Illegal.
Not law abiding.
Unlawful.
Criminal.

Response by TSgt George Rodriguez made Jul 5 at 2017 5:37 PM

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What is an illegal immigrant? I know of a few immigrants who have made application upon arrival here in the US 20 plus years ago that have not received any kind of response from the government. Just because they're in limbo does this qualify them as illegal?? They have worked hard and supported their children who have attended college and have adapted to the American Ideals of God, Family, Country. Other then being born in a foreign country, they are as much of an American as I am. Explanations please.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2017 8:03 PM

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They might call themselves "immigrants", but by being ILLEGAL, they are nothing but invaders. Of course they DO NOT deserve to use welfare or public assistance as these programs were set up for citizens.

Response by PVT Thomas Kielar made Jul 6 at 2017 12:10 PM

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Hell no!

Response by SPC Philip La Spina made Jul 6 at 2017 12:10 PM

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No! They are illegally here. What part of that is confusing you?

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Jul 6 at 2017 3:26 PM

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No, they should not get welfare in any form. That is rewarding someone who actually broke our laws, at least once.
While many try to go onto quite lives, many more become involved in other crimes, including selling or using drugs, break-ins, car theft, murder, rape and more. Many get deported only to illegally reenter the US later.
Even some of the quite ones get involved in unfortunate accidents where someone is killed or badly injured, mostly without insurance. Yes, the illegal alien should get emergency medical care too.
The bottom line is they all need to be shown the exit gate, then slam it shut behind them. Build the wall to keep them from coming back.

Response by MSgt Robert Jensen made Jul 6 at 2017 3:46 PM

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No. I think welfare needs to be workfare unless you are disabled and then it's disability and a different thing. No company in the world pays you based on your family size so that needs to stop. As well. You have four kids? Good for you, learn to budget what you earn. You can't work because you have kids? Bullshit! Bring your kids to the welfare office which are now day care where this month you drop off your kids and go out and do something of value and the other half watches kids and next month you swap, Pay them in cash. They don't take care of their kids? Jail them and out kids in foster homes. This crack of giving people something for nothing needs to stop. We have tons of people doing volunteer work that this new labor force can do instead. Clean streets. Crosswalk guard. Elderly centers. You name it

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Jul 6 at 2017 5:56 PM

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No... not as long as there is one American Citizen doing without...

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jul 6 at 2017 8:06 PM

2017-07-06T20:06:36-04:00

No only no, but HELL NO.....

Response by SPC Kevin Manning made Jul 6 at 2017 8:14 PM

2017-07-06T20:14:12-04:00

No and they should be deported

Response by MSgt Arvin Stott made Jul 6 at 2017 9:33 PM

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Here is a question in return. Should someone who broke the law be able to profit from it?

Simple answer is No they should not. The only aid that they should get is a return to the point where they entered the US. Maybe if the country allowing them to pass through had to deal with them then the problem could get solved.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 11:05 PM

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There are citizens receiving assistance that don't even deserve it.

Response by SSG Carl Gamel made Jul 7 at 2017 11:46 AM

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If you reward bad behavior, you will get more bad behavior,. In this case you will get more illegal immigrants, that will be a drain on taxpaying UScitizens.

Response by SPC Michael Poretsky made Jul 7 at 2017 4:14 PM

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Why does this keep coming up? The law excluding immigrants receiving welfare benefits was enacted on Aug 22, 1996. In part it says:

LPRs entering after Aug. 22, 1996 are not eligible for food stamps or SSI. However, they can apply for Medicaid and TANF benefits five years after entering the country legally, and are then allowed benefits at each state's discretion. States may use the maintenance of effort requirement to serve post-1996 legal immigrants who would be eligible for TANF if not for the five-year bar. In addition, the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 restored immigrants' access to food stamps.

Refugees and asylees are eligible for benefits seven years after their date of entry.

Nonimmigrants and undocumented immigrants are barred from receiving benefits. They are eligible, however, for public health, emergency services, and programs identified by the attorney general as necessary for the protection of life and safety.

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Jul 8 at 2017 7:53 PM

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Calling an "illegal alien" an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a crack dealer an "unlicensed pharamicists". That's my feelings. And no. No benefits to people here illegally. Period. If someone needs food or water or shelter, that's different.

Response by CPT Earl George made Jul 8 at 2017 10:01 PM

2017-07-08T22:01:17-04:00

Illegal---enough said. Too many of our legislators do not understand illegal.

Response by PFC Steven Hoffman made Jul 9 at 2017 12:42 PM

2017-07-09T12:42:42-04:00

Hell NO! If they are here legally then healthcare, driver's license, insurance ok. The only people that should be able to access Welfare, G.A. , Food Stamps, etc. should be U.S. Citizens (born or Naturalized) PERIOD. Undocumented (a.k.a. Illegal) immigrants are not citizens, they are NOT entitled to the same rights that Citizens are.

Response by SPC Sean Martin made Jul 9 at 2017 6:33 PM

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Absolutely NOT!! They are entitled to NOTHING!!!!!

Response by MAJ David Foley made Jul 13 at 2017 12:19 PM

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One word answer: NO!

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jul 13 at 2017 12:25 PM

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Despite the recent strong efforts to change the way they are referred to to "undocumented", the fact is the word "illegal" STILL APPLIES! That being said, WHY is there always this question, the question itself is meaningless! Illegal...go to jail or something else just as unpleasant!

Response by TSgt Lars Eilenfeld made Jul 13 at 2017 12:30 PM

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Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Jul 13 at 2017 12:58 PM

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What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand? I live in California and the PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN MORONS running this state want to make it a Sanctuary. They don't care because it is the PUBLIC that is paying for the benefits the illegals are enjoying because we are being taxed to death. AND they wonder why ALL the major companies that HAD their businesses based here are now leaving.

Response by SGT Joel Bourbeau made Jul 13 at 2017 2:04 PM

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In the civilian world, I have seen many of the migrants work harder than most Americans. Those that are not here yet on confirmed status as "legal" should have a base monetary flow until they are either employed or taken student status (separate funds from welfare, that can be measured and reported). All these things should happen within a given "reasonable timeframe". All others should not be supported and or deported back where they came from.
Many Americans already on welfare and the system is saturated. Social Security funding is all but gone and will be a sore point for many of us looking at retirement in the next 20 years.
The Supreme Court will delivery rulings accordingly, as they have always done. It's a Republic we live in...remember?

Response by LCpl Rocky Espinoza made Jul 13 at 2017 4:06 PM

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An illegal entry into a country is considered an invasion... The only reward,is death... Use common sense.!

Response by CW5 Randall Hirsch made Jul 13 at 2017 6:02 PM

2017-07-13T18:02:57-04:00

Absolutely not, they have not paid into the system via taxes. They are taking benefits of true Americans and not putting anything back.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2017 8:54 PM

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Wondering what would happen when a citizen neutralize a threat from an illegal, while legitimately fearing for his/her life? Illegals got no papers/ID, how can we report his death to authorities? Will that be an international incident?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2017 8:53 AM

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Look what happened to the original Indian people who welcomed new immigrants, they ended up in reservations. We are getting invaded again by new immigrants in massive numbers, impossible to assimilate quickly. Let's shut down immigration for at least 20 years right fudging now, before it is too late. English is the official language of the land. If not, offer Chinese too as official language, why only Spanish? I feel discriminated. Let's add French, German, Russian, and definitely all the Middle East languages too, or it is discrimination against Muslims. You want to be fair on the left, let's be fair across the board.

Response by SFC Joseph Murphy made Jul 14 at 2017 10:27 PM

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Not at all. When do we reward breaking the law? How many American citizens live below poverty. Take the money and use it to military personnel off food stamps and increase lower enlisted pay. The only reason it became an issue is because democrats need votes. Their strategy is to keep people/groups separated and dependent on the Democratic party.

Response by SGT Randy Woith made Jul 16 at 2017 1:29 AM

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hell no they shouldn't. that is for the citizens of this country, not the criminals that come here illegally.

Response by SPC Mario Moreno made Jul 16 at 2017 9:33 PM

2017-07-16T21:33:35-04:00

No not when we have homeless veterans. They should come first. I am a verdant and was turn down by the VA

Response by CPT Scott Sharon made Jul 17 at 2017 10:17 AM

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No, they should not. If they do not legally work, pay taxes and support this country they should not receive the free handouts.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jul 19 at 2017 5:03 PM

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Absolutely not - unlike todays media trying to legitimize these people with terms like "undocumented immigrants" - illegal is illegal, and anchor babies be damned. I am not heartless, but enough is enough. in a country where the only requirement to register to vote is a drivers license - I say they need to go.

Response by SSG Diane R. made Jul 19 at 2017 7:13 PM

2017-07-19T19:13:36-04:00

No, they have to go back.

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Jul 20 at 2017 2:11 PM

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not no, But Hell No. If they try,I'd call ICE. They are Law Breakers, plain and simple.

Response by MAJ Karen Shive made Jul 20 at 2017 3:30 PM

2017-07-20T15:30:08-04:00

I didn't qualify for assistance during an 8 month unemployment stint after paying into the system in Florida for 19 years gainfully employed. No they should not qualify at all

Response by SMSgt Scott Vrba made Jul 20 at 2017 5:10 PM

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Not in any way, shape, or form. Their own nations render very little assistance, why should we feel obligated to do so? We may have big hearts as a national but, why don't we render assistance to people of our own nation first. Homeless veterans and wounded warriors should come first and the rest may follow if funds allow. My 2 cents.

Response by SGT Paul Walliker made Jul 20 at 2017 9:02 PM

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They are banned from receiving any benefits under current law.

Response by SrA Homer Yates made Jul 21 at 2017 8:52 PM

2017-07-21T20:52:12-04:00

Hell No. we can't even take care of our homeless Vets and the government pays all the illegals, something is wrong.

Response by SP5 James Stockton made Jul 22 at 2017 8:18 PM

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The only thing the government should give to ILLEGAL immigrants is a trip back to their country of origin.

Response by SPC William Smith made Jul 24 at 2017 2:54 PM

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No, being illegal disqualifies them, period.

Response by SGT Bob Brettell made Jul 24 at 2017 10:39 PM

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There's a number of refinements that would need to be made to this question before I could answer it. It's also extraordinarily biased in the ask itself - did Donald Trump write the question - cause it smacks of an opinion written in the form of an assumptive close. Everyone should be respected - "illegal" or not. My guess is native Americans, in retrospect, seeing us hitting their shores would have acted differently if they'd known what a terrible people we'd be to those who took pity on us. Bottom line, the education that my service afforded me has led me down a different path than many of this community. I'm disheartened to see officers - from whom I'd expect more - weighing in on the reactionary "throw them out" side of the question. But honestly, I side with the DREAMers and the countless immigrants that want nothing more than a better life and are willing to leave behind everything they know for that chance. Just like every single one of your parents and grandparents did.

Response by PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner made Jul 25 at 2017 1:04 PM

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Absolutely not! I cannot go to Mexico or any 3rd world country in South America and start getting welfare. Any kids born to me while there are not automatic citizens either. END ANCHOR BABIES!

Response by SMSgt Lawrence Ertner made Jul 25 at 2017 9:10 PM

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The term, "illegal" says it all. However, if that offends, then try "undocumented political activists". Regardless, the Constitution repeatedly refers to CITIZENS, as in CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. I may have missed something when reading it...saw no reference to aliens being entitled to tax-payer supported programs. ESPECIALLY when Military Members, their families and Veterans are not eligible for the same programs.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jul 27 at 2017 3:02 PM

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Not just no but HELL NO!

Response by SPC Jamie Smith made Jul 27 at 2017 3:27 PM

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Of course not. It is meant for citizens who are unable to earn a living, due to disability or temporary problems. It seems it has become a major draw for illegals to come here & live off working taxpayers. They have no "right" to anything except an escort out of the country.

Response by LCpl Michael Parker made Jul 30 at 2017 2:52 AM

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No they should not be allowed to it. (1) these are programs that tax paying Americans pay into and at some point may use. IF they want to become legal citizens then allow them to join the millitary. or get proper citizenship through normal chanels. (2) these programs have a finite amout of funding per capita thus more people using OR abusing the system the less for those who do thing currectly and need it. (3) I may be wrong but I believe President Lincoln said (paraphasing) that any nation that can not control its boarders is bound to collapse under the weight of immigration. what would happen if an American tried to go to ANY country illegally they would be jailed and kicked out but when it is America doing it they set a double standard ... I say Bull

Response by CW2 Fred Baker made Jul 30 at 2017 12:44 PM

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No!

Response by SPC Glenn Lovell made Jul 30 at 2017 7:27 PM

2017-07-30T19:27:03-04:00

Read the requirements for SNAP (food stamps) and TANF ("welfare") and you'll learn that it is already illegal for undocumented immigrants to receive assistance from these programs except in emergency situations - and being here illegally without a job is not an emergency by their definition. Pisses me off how many people don't bother to look that up with a 5 second google search, but prattle on with bad information that either they, or someone they know, made up.

Response by SPC Rick Norris made Jul 31 at 2017 10:20 AM

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No, hell no. They have commited a crime simply by being here. Criminals should not have any rights.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Jul 31 at 2017 3:18 PM

2017-07-31T15:18:49-04:00

Absolutely Not!

Response by SSG Kali Montero made Aug 1 at 2017 10:02 AM

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Agree. NO! Also, I want ID's mandatory to be shown at elections & 1 person:1 vote. None of these multiple state voting.

Response by Hank Hiller made Aug 3 at 2017 3:41 PM

2017-08-03T15:41:07-04:00

HELL NO!

Response by SSgt Jeff Martin made Aug 3 at 2017 7:56 PM

2017-08-03T19:56:35-04:00

Fuck no!

Response by SPC Micheli Neal made Aug 5 at 2017 10:36 AM

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Normally I would say NO, except, by law, these so-called illegals were allowed to legally stay in America as long as they checked in wth the immigration office during incremental times while living in the States. Same "illegals" were allowed to join the military and risk their lives for this country. More were allowed to open business, marry and raise children. As long as they checked in from time to time, they were ok and there didn't seem to be a time cap to this checking in. Some "illegals" had been living here legally for decades working and paying taxes. If they can do all of that and still maintain an "illegal" immigrant status, why shouldn't they be able to use welfare/public assistance? Maybe the problem isn't with the immigrants, but with a system that allowed them to stay without any incentive to apply for a green card and now wants to punish them for living the way they'd been allowed to live.

Response by MSG Mamerto Perez made Aug 7 at 2017 7:46 AM

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What does this Question got to do with the Military

Response by CPT Tom Timbol made Aug 7 at 2017 10:05 AM

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To the original question - my answer is NO. I want to make one point though: Every time we discuss welfare or government subsidies or assistance, everyone automatically blames use/abuse of these programs on immigrants, illegals, blacks/minorities, gays etc. etc. - But the reality is the biggest users/abusers of these programs are WHITE people! It is very unlikely that those Mexican day workers sitting on the corner or that homeless black man living under I-35 is getting a check from the government! It is more likely that you, your parents/grandparents, or someone else you know is receiving it. I know many lower enlisted families are on SNAP or TANF or some other program. Stop trying to rile up the 'base' on this issue - since the biggest users/abusers are probably your family and friends!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2017 12:28 PM

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Illegal "immigrants" are nothing less than INVADERS. There is no way I could ever support welfare, public assistance, or other charitable programs for them (other than funding their return to their legal homes).

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Aug 7 at 2017 10:39 PM

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Even though the law(already on the books) says they can not receive government assistance; if the female partner if pregnant then there is Medicaid prenatal/maternity care, after delivery there's WIC/SNAP Sect VIII housing, ad-nausea. And don't forget all the "helpful" pamphlets and assistance from la-Raza and your local democratic party office.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2017 1:32 AM

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Negative. Unless you come in the legal way, you deserve none of the rights or benefits the United States has to offer. They can, however, do four years in the military in exchange for citizenship.

Response by SFC(P) Rolando Ortega made Aug 8 at 2017 4:56 AM

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What does this topic got to do with Military? I was under the impression this web site is for military focus.

Response by LT John Stevens made Aug 8 at 2017 6:27 PM

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No Illegal Immigrant should be qualified to receive or should receive any public assistance benefit of any kind. Any government official of any city, county, state, or other political entity who pays, or authorizes payment to, an illegal immigrant should be guilty of a Federal felony crime, and should be tried and if convicted imprisoned and fined.

Response by SSG Randall Speck made Aug 10 at 2017 1:40 PM

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Tax payers and US citizens ONLY!

Response by MAJ Philip Corbo made Aug 10 at 2017 2:21 PM

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NO!!!

Response by 1SG John Baize made Aug 10 at 2017 2:26 PM

2017-08-10T14:26:19-04:00

Definitely not. "Illegal" does not mean entitled, earned nor deserving.

Response by Col Paul Lortz made Aug 10 at 2017 5:44 PM

2017-08-10T17:44:59-04:00

Not only No, but HELL NO!!!!!!. If the person is not even willing or able to become and do the necessary things to become a LEGAL citizen then they should get NOTHING in the way of free help from our Government. Why should I as a legal citizen pay some of my tax dollars to help them?

It's the same thing with all these people fleeing other countries. THEY should not get cent one either. I realize that they are fleeing all the violence of their countries, but there needs to be some priority when it comes to who gets help first, and "I" as a vet. believe that we should be first in the line.

We as VETERANS should get first dibs when it comes to the assistance of any kind, after all, WE were the ones that fought for all the freedoms that the rest of the country's citizens take for granted.

Response by SgtMaj Robert Williams made Aug 10 at 2017 5:55 PM

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Hell No . We have a lot of AMERICANS that need help more than them assholes. Our people worked to protect their family and provide for them not some ILLEGAL.
SgtMaj Robert E. Williams USMC

Response by CW4 Dana Ahl made Aug 10 at 2017 8:02 PM

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A resounding NO!

Response by SSG Nancy Amore made Aug 11 at 2017 11:26 AM

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No.... If they are here Illegally they do not deserve any assistance except to be returned back to their country. I believe that for there children born here also. They can come to this country the legal way, get a job and not be a burden on taxpayers. That is the way it started through Ellis island and the way it should remain.

Response by SSG Jimmy Cernich made Aug 12 at 2017 9:48 AM

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If we treated homeless veterans like we treat illegal immigrants and every other person who gets govt assistance homeless veterans wouldn't have to be homeless.

Response by PO1 Keith Kilby made Aug 12 at 2017 1:16 PM

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HELL NO. All they are entitled to is a very bumpy C130 ride across the border they came from.

Response by LT Chuck Schneider made Aug 12 at 2017 4:59 PM

2017-08-12T16:59:18-04:00

Hell no!

Response by SFC(P) Rolando Ortega made Aug 13 at 2017 4:50 AM

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The greatest part of being a U.S. Citizen is the rights we have. one that I value a lot like freedom of speech. When we speak of illegal immigration I hope we are all focus not only on the southern border but also the all the other 3 (north, west and east). People that look like me are not the only one coming here illegally so let not assume they at the only ones.

Response by PO1 J Lewis made Aug 13 at 2017 9:53 AM

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They can't. Every state makes you prove citizenship.

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 13 at 2017 11:26 AM

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No. that`s just the point. They are NOT hear legally !

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Aug 13 at 2017 2:28 PM

2017-08-13T14:28:03-04:00

No I am a army and police veteran and was homeless for 2 years after my divorce there should be no reason why people that sacrifice get secondary treatment over those they came here illegal!

Response by CW3 Al Tapia made Aug 13 at 2017 5:37 PM

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The law states they are illegal aliens. Immigrants have a right to enter the United States.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Aug 13 at 2017 7:18 PM

2017-08-13T19:18:59-04:00

No .. First, they should be detained and deported if they entered the country illegally, whether they are on welfare or not. They certainly should not be allowed to get welfare/public assistance.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Aug 13 at 2017 7:57 PM

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Only after they have served a 6 yr. hitch in a branch of our military!

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Aug 14 at 2017 12:59 AM

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No. Illegals should have none at all and even new citizens aren't supposed to get assistance for five years. Got that all screwed up didn't we?

Response by SPC Paul Angel made Aug 14 at 2017 10:33 AM

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I don't think they deserve ANY of these services.

Response by CPT Kevin Connolly made Aug 15 at 2017 11:47 AM

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They are still persons, entitled to equal protection of the laws. It's in the Constitution. Remember that we all swore to uphold the Constitution. As long as they are here, the undocumented are entitled to the same benefits as s citizen or green card holder. That's the law.

Response by MGySgt John Everson made Aug 15 at 2017 12:16 PM

2017-08-15T12:16:51-04:00

No they should not!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2017 2:12 PM

2017-08-15T14:12:51-04:00

Nope. If they are illegal, it is pretty explicit that they are breaking our laws, ergo the only lawful thing to do is to remove them from our country. It is disconcerting that certain segments of our society are so delusional that they think that re-labeling them "undocumented" implies that there is no legal basis to remediate the situation, e.g. deportation, which is pretty much how the rest of the world enforces its immigration policies.

Response by SSgt Justin Huett made Aug 16 at 2017 7:25 AM

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Illegal, as in they broke the law and in this case have no business being here it would be like giving a drunk driver a beer after being pulled over. You don't reward people who break the law, they are supposed to be punished. So in short... no!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2017 1:26 PM

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The word Illegal says it all. They have no right to even the air they are breathing and even that is theft. And if they get any help of any kind other than a boot on their back side back to their country it is theft. They are ILLEGAL and the people that would help them are committing treason in my eyes since more and more these illegals are committing other crimes and attacking Americans.
The only thing they should get is the boot to a slow boat to the most remote and furthest place from America in THEIR country and dropped off there. Just like one of our former Presidents did.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2017 6:06 AM

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No.

Response by Cpl Robert Robertson made Aug 18 at 2017 8:15 AM

2017-08-18T08:15:57-04:00

No that is why they are called illegal.

Response by PO3 Robert Smith made Aug 18 at 2017 10:25 AM

2017-08-18T10:25:01-04:00

No, all because of the fact they are illegal and even if they have children born in the USA they should not be considered US citizens.

Response by PO3 Robert Smith made Aug 18 at 2017 10:27 AM

2017-08-18T10:27:13-04:00

They are here illegally and should have come here the right way. Also, any children born here should not have citizen status.

Response by TSgt Albert Nigh made Aug 19 at 2017 10:48 PM

2017-08-19T22:48:34-04:00

Hell no!!!

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Aug 20 at 2017 2:06 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner. Sine "Welfare" is a stat by star issue I can only mention California. Hard working folks who find themselves temporarily unemployed or some distaste his them like a six figure medical bill the state of California is there to help, so I can't agree with your second statement. Should we provide to immigrants, illegal or legal answer is of course, YES. Biggest reason is these are human beings and deserve if for no other reason community assistance. The other reason is doing welfare and other community chest benefits to the temporarily down people saves money. Law enforce and the cost of crime is far more expensive the welfare.

Response by MSgt Robert Kagel made Aug 20 at 2017 6:39 PM

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No.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Aug 21 at 2017 9:00 AM

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No. Then there would be no reason for them to come this way.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2017 6:08 PM

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Hell no; then the fewer incentives to come here would keep illegal immigrants out.
I don't believe that illegals are entitled to any benefits like citizens!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2017 11:16 PM

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Illigal immigrants are not eligible for welfare. In other words, they simply don't have the necessary documents to prove their eligibility. To be eligible for welfare one must provide evidence of either legal residence (green card) or be a natural born US citizen.

Response by PO3 David Cerino made Aug 22 at 2017 3:34 AM

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Well, they don't. It doesn't matter that they're undocumented (or "illegal" for the common populace).

They can be legal, but only citizens are granted these benefits.

Do I think "illegals" SHOULD get these benefits?
Considering that I've more hardworking undocumented than citizens, I'd still say no, they don't really need it. They will travel and relocate until they find work again.

Response by Cpl Edward Conley made Aug 22 at 2017 12:47 PM

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Hell no! What part of ILLEGAL don't people get? What about veterans ,the elderly, and other poor Americans?

Response by SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. made Aug 22 at 2017 2:48 PM

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[login to see] 0000000% Totally no way in hell. That is for people here legally, and at that a lot of people here already abuse it.

Response by Sgt John Morovich made Aug 23 at 2017 4:45 PM

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They are not citizens. They have nothing coming other then Immigration and Customs Enforcement taking a them back to their home country.

Response by SGT Bob Martin made Aug 24 at 2017 12:27 PM

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F**K the illegal immigrants ...OUR COUNTRY SHOULD HELP Veterans before REFUGEES and illegal immigrants

Response by CPL Bobby McKellar made Aug 24 at 2017 12:58 PM

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Don't know how I can answer any batter than most of the others who have replied "NO", but I will add my 'x' to the "NO WAY IN HELL" column.
ILLEGAL immigrants have absolutely no right to welfare, food stamps, SSI-SSDI or any of the social safety nets afforded to citizens by the American taxpayer. There are extremely few places in the world that hand out "benefits" to illegals like America does. IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.

Response by PO1 Leo Scott made Aug 24 at 2017 2:17 PM

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Definitely not. They are not legally here. If they tried to apply they should be immediately be sent back to their country without any further to do

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2017 10:23 AM

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NO they should not be allowed to access any program except the Immigration system to become a citizen, Then and only then can they access welfare and public assistance

Response by PO3 Eric Gibson made Aug 25 at 2017 7:36 PM

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...and they dont collect welfare. AT ALL. In fact, illegal immigrants qualify for very few government sponsored forms of assistance, despite the fact that they, collectively, pay in roughly $13 billion in taxes each year and get almost nothing in return in terms of government aid. This is yet another misleading comservative propaganda question meant to villify and demonize immigrants that contribute tremendously to our economy and all they want to do is the same thing you all want to do -- feed their families amd try to eek out some kind of enjoyment in their life.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Aug 25 at 2017 7:49 PM

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Of course not. Illegal is illegal. Our problem is the gutless Republican party who will not stand up and do something. Our political system has gone to pot. We need real Americans who will serve the Constitution and We the People, which we do not have today.

Response by SPC Jasen E. made Aug 25 at 2017 8:03 PM

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Absolutely not. Under no circumstances, should illegal immigrants be allowed to collect public assistance like welfare, food stamps, or medicare. And having a child on our soil by illegal immigrants should NOT be an exception. We should do like most other countries on this planet--When a child is born on our soil, they must leave when the immigrants leave, not be a anchor to keep the family here. When that child turns 18, in their parent's home country, they should have a choice of whether to be a US citizen or a citizen on their parent's country. That is exactly how it worked for a good friend of mine who was born on German soil. His parents left when they were supposed to and my friend, a minor, had to come with them, and when he turned 18, he was given a choice as to which country he wanted to be a citizen of. It was a once in a lifetime decision, set in concrete. No benefits for illegals at all.

Response by PO3 Eric Gibson made Aug 25 at 2017 8:15 PM

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Oh, looks like me response was removed. What, not "Alt-Right" enough?

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Aug 25 at 2017 11:33 PM

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I live in California. This state already has attorneys on retainer to protect the illegals "rights"!

I have always voted in California, even since the Franchise Tax Board of CA sent the first piece of mail I received after my discharge in 1956. It was a notice of State Income Tax Due!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2017 2:15 AM

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Absolutely not they don't get to come here not pay taxes and be entitled to government welfare or aid except in terms of them getting their citizenship.

Response by TSgt James Carson made Aug 27 at 2017 1:09 PM

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I don'd agree with it, but I live in a state with people who voted to give the store away. Taxes and living standards suffer because more people abuse the system that was to be a safety net. Vote or move out of the state that allows misuse of your tax dollars.

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Aug 28 at 2017 1:43 AM

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A person who enters the country illegally and takes funds from our coffers is no different than a mugging.

Response by Kathlean Keesler made Aug 28 at 2017 10:52 AM

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Excuse me but DON'T GET ME STARTED - on this "issue of welfare" and/or the photo opportunities of the elite who run our nation and their "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS" agenda. Under Obama/Biden and their "same sex partners" the ra ra ra of support the active duty and their families was that some "showcase" for the patriots? I question is this LEFT or RIGHT policy making? On http://www.military.com MAY 24, 2017 I read "Proposed food stamp cuts would hit military families." S.N.A.P. *http://www.fns.usda.gov (get involved) Is this all tied to "under the new administration", controlled by conservatives (GOP)? "When active duty service members struggle to feed their families." April 19, 2017 *http://www.npr.org I read E-4 rank earn $2.046.00 monthly under the Pentagon pay scale. 7% of ACTIVE duty families said they faced food "insecurity". I also read Basic Allowance for HOUSING is counted as income and pushes them into an income bracket too high to receive "food SECURITY aid". Excuse me President elect Trump, are you going to build that border security wall? 80,000 AMERICAN service families nationwide face food insecurity! Should "illegals" qualify for "safety nets" I ask American Homefront Project? Frankly I have ground zero trust in either "administration", their legislation, or THEIR never ending BUDGET crisis.

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Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Aug 28 at 2017 11:32 AM

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No.

Response by HN Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2017 1:00 PM

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I think that as long as they are making a conscious effort to legally (even after being illegals) gain citizenship then they should be given a fair chance and be shown exactly what makes America the melting pot it is. If they are legitimately trying to become a citizen them they can gain benefits, but if their process stops then benefits can, not, should be revoked. As an incentive.

Response by SrA Ed Cranford made Aug 29 at 2017 8:01 AM

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Not no, but HELL NO!!!

Response by CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern made Aug 29 at 2017 10:30 AM

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Illegals, the only aid they should get are maps showing them the way back into Mexico and beyond through Trump's new wall.

Response by CCMSgt Ed Bonfrancesco III made Aug 29 at 2017 1:33 PM

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Hello no !! It's bad enough the states are abusing welfare/public assistance from my disability pension to pay ADULT WELFARE (Lifetime Alimony) to my ex wife. This is matched by the federal government, giving the states $2 for every $1 garnished, taken from our SS funds. Title IV, Section D of the SS ACT.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2017 12:00 PM

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I don't think it's a big deal for two reasons:

1) If they legitimately need the assistance and they don't receive it, the alternative is a larger population of hungry children, higher crime due to necessity, etc. I know this sounds like public assistance is being held ransom, but those are the two choices in reality.

2) They are here, and the reason they are not being actively deported is because in some ways they are beneficial. For example, they pay state tax on everything they buy. The "free market" people are all about paying employees as little as possible and illegal immigrants present an opportunity for either an employer to hire under the table for less than minimum wage, or an illegal to work and pay federal tax (without the possibility of receiving the benefits of paying said tax in the form of public assistance, for example).

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2017 12:09 PM

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No. They have no legal right to.

Response by SPC Michael Rodriguez-Holquin made Sep 2 at 2017 12:20 PM

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Absolutely not. There's no debate about it. Since they are here getting paid under the table (not paying taxes) they should not get any assistance until they become legal and be here LEGALLY for at least 3-5 years paying their taxes. Maybe only then they can qualify for it but since then they will probably be contributing to society, (working legally, getting benefits from employer) there should be no need for them to get any assistance but if they do, it would be minimal.

Response by SFC Ken James Carlisle Jr. (ret.) made Sep 2 at 2017 4:38 PM

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No, and to take it further where else in the World could someone be not a citizen and obtain actual services and/or benefits? Ans: NOWHERE! The American Politicians have been conducting a RUSE on the American Public FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. They send Funding to other nations under the name of AID. Those Politicians from the receiving country then turn around and send it back to our Politicians for favors for their country and to allow this so called ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY to continue. THIS IS THE WAY OUR GOVERNMENT HAS FIGURED OUT TO "LAUNDRY MONEY."

Response by SFC William Brown made Sep 3 at 2017 9:28 PM

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No way,in fact they need to be publicly helped back to where they came from at their own expense.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Sep 4 at 2017 12:18 AM

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First and foremost NO. One who is illegal violated the Law. The operative word is ILLEGAL There is no such status as undocumented Alien. That is a Social Engineered term designed to lessen the value of the law. I have many friends that are LEGAL Aliens, one of which I am Sponsoring for Green Card and US Citizenship. As a Sponsor, I have to validate MY CAPACITY to care for her so that she does not become a charge to the state (meaning Welfare). She is legally employed because she did what the law required and she is in compliance of that law. To allow an Illegal Alien to receive services and benefits that are DENIED Legal Immigrants is an abomination of our laws and in fact, it encourages illegal status in the USA. Yes I am prejudiced by experience, obligation, and my wealth to ensure the legal process has been effected and maintained. I am ensuring the Legal Immigrant does not become a welfare recipient during the process and ensuring she has the skill set to remain self dependent. I would offer the counter question... Should every Sponsor of an Immigrant be repaid for their investment into the self dependent Legal Immigrant if it is approved for Illegal Aliens to receive that of which I pledged my personal wealth to keep the Sponsored Legal Alien in compliance with the law?

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Sep 4 at 2017 12:41 AM

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I provide an illustration of moral comparison. A Combat vet walks into the VFW to seek membership and is granted status. He is eligible as a VFW Member correct? If a state side non combatant walks into the VFW and asks for the same status should he be granted it just because he had come in a number of times to sit at the bar and gain a few benefits of a free beer because someone else paid for a round?I think all would agree that the individual is not eligible unless with a Sponsor, but not eligible for a "Status" as a VFW member. To add to that, even the VFW Auxiliary has a requirement of a lineal descendent of the first or second degree in order to be a member of the Auxiliary. These are social organizations that support a set class of veterans based on an eligibility protocol. You must enter legally(with proper credentials) before consideration is granted for any service or benefit. This thought process is necessary for identifying those who are truly eligible. Now how would either the VFW and/or its Auxiliary deal with one who failed to go through the written and accepted processes, and essentially received services and benefits in the face of the others, and was NOT qualified at any level. Those who think that Illegal (skirting the legal requirements of eligibility) should view the original question in the terms presented in the VFW example. It causes resentment and distrust in the leadership!

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2017 12:55 PM

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Abso-tively, posi-lutely and HELL-FUCKING-NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by LTC Jaime Franco made Sep 4 at 2017 5:18 PM

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It always gets me how the word illegal, is so had to understand! If someone is breaking the laws in America, then no, hell no, no way should they be allowed to receive any kind of welfare or public assistance. Unless, you considered a jail/detaining facility used for ILLEGALs until they are deported a form of welfare. I would support a law that made any ILLEGAL that has committed a crime in the US and was deported and illegally returns to the USA eligible for the Federal death penalty with NO appeals and to be executed within one week of sentencing. That would help slow down illegals with criminal records coming into the USA.

Response by CW4 Brian Haas made Sep 4 at 2017 7:58 PM

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Is this a serious question? Lol...hell no. You are ILLEGAL.

Response by PO1 Charles Babcock made Sep 5 at 2017 3:35 AM

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Illegal Immigrants should NEVER receive government assistance for anything except a trip back across whatever border they crossed to get into America. There are WAY to many citizens who need help before others should ever be considered.

Response by SGT Jean Ramos made Sep 5 at 2017 12:18 PM

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What about the men, women and children that come this this country to have a better life and provide for their families? Do you know that becoming a citizen cost about $7000? I say that people with a criminal record shouldn't. Women with children Definetly Yes. People that consume drugs or have a criminal record in any country shouldn't. America was built by people from other countries, it was built by minorities for minorities. Anyone should have a chance to be successful in their own life. Isn't this America the land of the great? The land of the free and the land of the grave? People that cross the border are brace people, they come here because they want to be free and change their lives for the better. What happened about being caring, kind and giving? Remember that United States was built from people from other countries, it was built by immigrants for immigrants.

Response by Dick Goin made Sep 6 at 2017 1:30 PM

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Round up all the ILLEGAL WETBACKS and return them quickly across the river, the ocean or where ever it is that they came from.

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Sep 6 at 2017 2:34 PM

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Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made Sep 10 at 2017 11:25 PM

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Not to sound cold hearted...but NO. I mean come on, there are US Veterans who can't even get "free" assistance and schooling and whatever else out there that "they" are getting so readily. Yes, we do get some stuff but we have to wait for months on end and sometime we don't get medical attention as fast as some of these folks do! Trust me I've seen it. My brother died cause he didn't have health insurance but all these illegal immigrants who lived in his apartment building got medical care when needed....because they WERE illegal! Does that make any sense to you? I also have no understanding of if you have been in this Country for 25 years as an illegal immigrant and then you want all this attention by the press and sympathy cause you were now asked to leave (a Kaiser RN in SF,CA), then why not did you try to earn your citizenship in all the 25 years while you were here? Just asking? So I can't feel sorry for those who don't a least try to "earn" your keep to be a USA citizen. If and when I go to another Country, I make sure that I can talk their language and or be papared to understand. I also pay my own way etc. No hand outs. in another words I would earn my "card" to work and live and pay my medical or whatever.....my 2 cents. Am I bitter? Ya kind of....sorry.

Response by SGT Gregory Yelland made Sep 17 at 2017 8:51 AM

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No, other than emergency health and then deported until they become legal. I also agree than anyone who hires, gives housing to, or aids an Illegal should be tried *and convicted* of aiding and abetting a criminal.

Response by SPC Earl Hainline made Sep 19 at 2017 5:33 PM

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Ok, let's take this from the beginning: FIRST- illegal aliens can not get public assistance or welfare LEGALLY until they obtain a LEGAL status, SECOND- It is illegal to hire ANYONE that doesn't have a LEGAL status..................If you wish to debate a person getting illegal benefits, using false documents to obtain benefits or get hired for jobs..............then the issue needs to be on how to PREVENT agencies from giving out benefits to those that aren't entitled to them and the places that hire them(you know like a MORE COMPLETE check of documentation.....as Social Security does have a data base, and background checks)

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2017 1:39 PM

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No, Illegal immigrants should be sent back across the border until they can make it here legitimately and legally.

Response by 1SG Gerry Wright made Sep 21 at 2017 4:45 PM

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1SG Gerry Wright (Ret) NO Absolutely not. What part of illegal don't they get?

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Sep 22 at 2017 7:26 PM

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NO!
If a person is NOT a legal citizen then they should get NO benefits OR entry into this country.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2017 10:37 PM

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No. Particularly when there are tax paying American Citizens being denied the same benefits. Illegal behavior should not be rewarded.

Response by SN Ruben Miranda made Sep 23 at 2017 5:03 AM

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I'm Hispanic and an American Citizen (from Puerto Rican parents). I was born and raised in NYC, and served in the US Coast Guard (as thousands upon thousand of Puertorricans in the island have also served and continue to serve proudly, in all 5 DoD branches, for over 100 years).
I'm proud to be an American and what we all as Americans stand for (BTW, I'm not a "Hispanic American". I'm an American, period).
Immigrants arriving to our USA from any nation should go through the same process as anyone else: through our US State Dept.
If any US citizen disagrees, then they should contact their State Senators and Congress Representatives, and lobby to CHANGE THE LAWS! Is that too hard to do? BTW, I believe there's nothing wrong with our imigration laws, as they stand today.
No one should encourage our political leaders or the population as a whole, to ignore any of our laws. Because in the same manner imigration laws have been ignored for too long, other laws we currently strongly believe should be strictly enforced, will fall in the same disarray we have now with imigration.
The rule of law (among other things) has made this nation a secure and peaceful place to live and raise a family.
Why is it that those that arrive illegally, don't first lobby in their own country of origin, to demand their political leaders to open their borders and let anyone in, and no longer abuse or ridicule those entering illegally?
And while they're at it, lobby also to provide them with welfare, medical plan, housing, education, etc. They won't because they're so proud of their culture & heritage that they don't want others to come and change it. But because "no tienen vergüenza" ("have no shame"), demand the USA to let them in, give them automatic USA citizenship, and "ropa, zapatos, casa y comida" (provide them with "clothing, shoes, house y meals"). Who pays for all this. What happens when the Federal and State governments runs out of money (case in point: socialist countries around the world, including Venezuela, which we should all keep those wonderful people in your prayers).
And another example a lot closer to us: California. Which is running out of cash real fast! If they keep it up, they may have to file for bankruptcy (which BTW, is also illegal, but they don't care since they have the 9th Circuit, LOL).
Come on America! Wakeup before it's too late, and we won't have a country left to defend. What would our soldiers and sailors who died to keep this country free and strong and wealthy, say?
Do we want to see our country succeed, or because we don't agree with this or that policy or this or that elected politician, are willing to allow and contribute in letting the United States of America burn to the ground? Will we stay silent while some Universities (e.g., UC Berkeley) and city/state police stand against the freedom of speach and allow vandalism and violence reign? Another University is seriously considering not allowing veterans apply, because they're too conservatives and believe in gun rights. Really?
It's not what they died for, and not what we fought for. Get out and vote for those that respect the rule of law. Be a role model and an influential in getting others to defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights, which many are illegally trying to pull from under our feet. The time is now. America is still worth saving. Peacefully, let your voice and vote count.

Response by PFC Francis Ramseyer made Sep 23 at 2017 8:54 AM

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Absolutely not !

Response by Maj Robert Dudley made Sep 24 at 2017 7:19 PM

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Actually, I don't even consider them illegal immigrants - I think they are invaders. And, you can pretty much infer my answer from that.

Response by SFC Noel McKinney made Sep 24 at 2017 8:52 PM

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2017 9:41 PM

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No.

Response by MSG Chris Jakubczak made Sep 25 at 2017 11:10 AM

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We can take care of our legal citizens. Hell no. No illegals should profit from our assistance. That's a no brainier.

Response by SSG William L Butler made Sep 26 at 2017 4:21 PM

2017-09-26T16:21:57-04:00

No. Go back to their country and get aid from your fellow citizens or come back legally.

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Sep 28 at 2017 5:51 PM

2017-09-28T17:51:24-04:00

No, no, no! The only right they have is to be tried under American laws when they commit criminal acts.

Response by SSG Rafael Rodriguez made Sep 29 at 2017 12:27 PM

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Illegal immigrants.....NO.

Response by SCPO Glen Dutcher made Oct 1 at 2017 7:35 PM

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Stupid question. Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for public assistance, but they pay taxes. Jesus Christ, read a little that isn't on some right-wing nut job site.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Oct 1 at 2017 7:47 PM

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NO, NO, NO, Nyet, Nine, nope

Response by PFC Dwayne Dittoe made Oct 2 at 2017 1:12 AM

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absolutely not...we have too many legal citizens that need this help to give it to criminals

Response by SSG John Jelley made Oct 3 at 2017 9:15 PM

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Service = Citizenship

Response by Thomas Bryant made Oct 5 at 2017 11:56 PM

2017-10-05T23:56:11-04:00

Illegal Immigrants should be sent back to there country of origin. They should not receive any welfare or public assistance.

Response by SSgt Matthew Adams made Oct 6 at 2017 10:13 AM

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no send them home where they came from

Response by PO1 Michael Turner made Oct 6 at 2017 3:02 PM

2017-10-06T15:02:31-04:00

Not only no, but ***********. They are their countries responsibility

Response by LCpl Stephen Sharp made Oct 6 at 2017 10:28 PM

2017-10-06T22:28:52-04:00

NO!!!!!! ...... NUFF SAID

Response by Maj Robert Dudley made Oct 7 at 2017 12:34 AM

2017-10-07T00:34:37-04:00

Uh, no.

Response by PO3 Grant Skiles made Oct 7 at 2017 7:55 AM

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NEVER. They also should not be receiving a free education. I taught in a school district that is low income to begin with. We had between 2000-4000 illegals in the school district. The numbers depended on who you talked to. When the average school received approximately $7500 in Federal and State subsidies for each student you can see that certain districts lose out on a lot of money. What I forgot to say, Illegals are educated but school districts do not receive and Federal or State money to teach or give them free breakfasts and lunches.

Response by Cpl D L Parker made Oct 7 at 2017 11:00 AM

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Response by CW5 Mark Kranz made Oct 8 at 2017 11:05 PM

2017-10-08T23:05:37-04:00

No, and why is this even a question on this site?

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made Oct 9 at 2017 5:44 AM

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They do not already. To say they do or pass along that they do is ignorant on anyone’s part. Even those labeled dreamers from DACA are not qualify for what you are asking. Even those that say dreamers have been granted citizens or status are ignorant. The people that are in DACA have gained no status. They only thing that has changed is the priority of deportation level.

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made Oct 9 at 2017 5:46 AM

2017-10-09T05:46:31-04:00

What is sad is people here probably have no idea that white Americans that most likely vote republican make up the majority of people receiving welfare

Response by PO3 Grant Skiles made Oct 9 at 2017 7:57 AM

2017-10-09T07:57:10-04:00

No. We have too many legal Americans who could use this assistance. We also have many Americans who are too proud or do not know how to go through the red tape to receive any assistance that they may be eligible for. Veterans are a part of this group. many of us when we leave the military are never told about the VA and the many programs that it has in place to provide services of Veterans.

Response by Frederick King made Oct 10 at 2017 2:52 PM

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The key word in this phrase is "Illegal." They should not receive welfare. After receiving free medical care at an ER, they should be deported.

Response by Capt Dennis Tague made Oct 11 at 2017 5:17 PM

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Absolutely not!

Response by SPC Kayle Benedix made Oct 12 at 2017 5:30 AM

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NO, I do not. As far as I'm concerned they should receive NO benefits at all. They haven't earned them and should instead be deported as soon as they are discovered. If they enter LEGALLY and work to earn the benefits, then I have no problem with it but not if they are here illegally.

Response by SSG Thomas Barry made Oct 12 at 2017 10:29 AM

2017-10-12T10:29:50-04:00

I think their condition should be treated till they can travel and then escorted out of the USA

Response by Sgt Paul McCarthy made Oct 12 at 2017 2:44 PM

2017-10-12T14:44:11-04:00

Absolutely!
As soon as they apply, detain and deport them.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Oct 14 at 2017 5:12 PM

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No and let me explain why I'm an army and police veteran and when I was first wounded I went to try to get public assistance and was denied! While I was there I had people they could not speak English come in and was able to get assistance I have never been so mad in all my life! I have since gotten my veterans benefits and police benefits but when I think back on it it's still upsetting

Response by PO2 Herb Brill made Oct 14 at 2017 5:40 PM

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Absolutely Not!

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Oct 14 at 2017 5:48 PM

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Absolutely not !! These are taxpayer funded assistance programs for citizens of the United States, not for criminal illegal aliens who have came into this country secretly and illegally !! NO !!!!

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 14 at 2017 7:36 PM

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This is a slippery slope. On the public Health side, we can prevent diseases and lower overall health costs with preventive medicine. The flip side is the more you give the more will come to take.

Response by Jessie R. Smith Jr. made Oct 15 at 2017 11:26 PM

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No. I am a Christian man and want to help others BUT to help someone commit illegal acts is to enable them to do more. There are too many people who come here legally that need help themselves.

Response by Georgeann Carter made Oct 16 at 2017 11:18 AM

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One word....No.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 8:22 PM

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Hell no

Response by CPL David Markham made Oct 18 at 2017 9:58 AM

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Of course not, it's time people learn the definition of the word illegal, instead of receiving any type of benefits from hard working Americans they need either be put in jail if convicted of a crime, or deported from this country until they can enter legally.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Oct 18 at 2017 5:01 PM

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HELL NO! What is it about the term "illegal" folks do not understand? Sad statement when those who are capable but do not work or who are here illegally are able to milk taxpayer dollars for more than the taxpayer is able to afford.

Response by MGySgt Jerry Suarez made Oct 21 at 2017 4:14 PM

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No they should not period!!

Response by SGM Larry McMullen made Oct 21 at 2017 11:14 PM

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No!

Response by Dennis Aubuchon made Oct 24 at 2017 9:34 PM

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The answer to this question is no. There is such a thing as compassion when there is healthcare needs but welfare and public assistance does not fall into this category. Illegal immigrants should not be able to get welfare or public assistance. As stated there are many individuals who are citizens cannot get public assistance or welfare for there are many who receive them but do not qualify. There is not enough money to go around for our own citizens let along any illegal immigrants. This is not a slam on illegal immigrants but there is a defined process for entering the country and path to citizenship.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Oct 27 at 2017 12:26 PM

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You took the words out of my mouth Cody. There is something seriously wrong here when an "illegal" is put before any American. Especially a vet. There should be NO cold, hungry or homeless vets in this country. Illegals get better treatment than our own kids. How pathetic. Yet, some would rather condemn others for wanting to build a wall.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Oct 28 at 2017 7:26 PM

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Why would you even ask such a question? Why would "working Americans" need "welfare"? I can conceive situations where working Americans might need public assistance but isn't that what "public assistance" is for ? Don't want to put you down, brother, but the question is a bit????

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Oct 28 at 2017 7:43 PM

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Please don't confuse the issue with the anomalies. Carlos Peralta may well be an upstanding young man, however, you should not read your motives into another's deeds. Peralta's initial motive COULD have been merely a way to attain citizenship. His accomplishments may well indicate his character but have little to do with his immigration status. The question posed is whether a person who illegally imposes oneself on a foreign society should be entitled to the benefits of that society. The answer has to be no. Civil actions taken after a laudatory accomplishment can have the effect of mitigating,
or even negating an original illegal act. But that wasn't your question.

Response by GySgt Richard Morrison made Oct 29 at 2017 12:34 AM

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Not until they become citizens. The key word here is "Illegal". As illegals all that they deserve is a night in jail prior to their deportation.

Response by SSG Jerry Ortman made Oct 29 at 2017 5:55 AM

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They're illegal they should get nothing but deportation.

Response by SPC Randy Wolbert made Oct 29 at 2017 10:50 AM

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Absolutely not, if and when they go to get welfare they should be rounded up and shipped back to the shit hole they came from.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Oct 29 at 2017 11:38 AM

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you must be kidding me they should be sent back to where they came from in a C130

Response by SSG George Duncan made Oct 29 at 2017 11:45 AM

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fire up the C 130 and take them home just like any gate crushers

Response by SGT Forrest Stewart made Oct 30 at 2017 1:43 PM

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Absolutely not!

Response by SPC Douglas Bolton made Oct 30 at 2017 4:59 PM

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SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member The term Illegal says it all. NO!

Response by SPC Richard Bachtel made Oct 30 at 2017 9:16 PM

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Hell no, this should not even be a question

Response by T.C. Cooksley made Oct 31 at 2017 9:29 PM

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This is an absurd political wedge. Why is it that Politicians should expect the 47% of the population that pays taxes to volunteer to support illegal immigrants invading our country with misappropriated tax dollars when American Citizen are denied welfare & public assistance? As one of the 47% I legal resident aliens and those properly going through the channels of citizenship... I see no reason one dime of tax payer funds should be given to those who steal from those here legally. It is stealing when they are given funds designed to help those less fortunate Americans Legally in this country.

Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Nov 1 at 2017 1:00 AM

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No flippin way!!!

Response by PO2 Stetson Fadden made Nov 1 at 2017 8:19 PM

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no they should not there r citizens out that had a job that didn't last that can't get it.....

Response by MSG Don H. made Nov 2 at 2017 1:56 PM

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No! I would add that any illegal alien in federal prison should be sent to GITMO. Their relative can cry all they want about not being able to visit and our reply should be, " you can visit them when we send them back to their country of origin.

Response by 1SG Brian Emmert made Nov 3 at 2017 9:17 AM

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No. Our own people have to apply and are turned down. THEY (illegals) get it handed to them. The only assistance they need is a ride home to their own country.

Response by PO1 Kerry French made Nov 4 at 2017 3:51 AM

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Is this really a serious question??? I think to most sane, thinking people the answer is a no-brainer! HELL NO! Come here legally and then we can talk. As an active duty service woman, I tried to get Medi- Cal (medicaid in Commiefornia) and was denied but the waiting room was filled with illegals and a sign read something to the effect that if you were there without "proof of income" (read: illegal) you could get in a certain line and get help... Oh but NO help for the struggling single parent serving our country with a medically fragile child

Response by CPO Ed Hoover made Nov 4 at 2017 3:09 PM

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Children born here of illegals SHOULD NOT, be automatic citizens. A pregnant illegal makes it here, kid is born,= citizen. Shit, then all their offspring are citizens. CRAP!

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Nov 5 at 2017 4:36 PM

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No way in hell should an illegal get any benefits!! We have enough lazy people in this country unwilling to get out and look for work! I believe in order to collect you weekly welfare check, a person must complete 40 hours community service!! We have given to the lazy and what have we gotten return, absolutely nothing!! Cost of living keeps going up yet we get very minimum cola raises!!

Response by SSG Christopher Steinberg made Nov 5 at 2017 7:33 PM

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No Illegal means illegal.

Response by Sgt Albert Castro made Nov 5 at 2017 9:35 PM

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I recently read an article by a well established news agency that said providing Illegals Welfare, medical and educational assistance cost U.S. tax payer approximately 11 BILLION dollars in 2016. Uh, hell no! Illegals should not be allowed to use any Public Assistance programs. Period.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Nov 5 at 2017 10:42 PM

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To answer your question we need more information. Your question, however, is a good one. We need the number of our own citizens who have been denied welfare or public assistance as well as the reasons for denial. We also need the number if illegal immigrants who are drawing welfare or public assistance and what the justification for the award is.

Response by SPC Don Wynn made Nov 8 at 2017 2:40 PM

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Absolutely not! Unless they are paying taxes or their employer does, they should not be able to access those benefits. If they are here illegally and not working, should be removed immediately. Well, actually if here illegally, should be removed, working or not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2017 4:01 PM

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The total amount spent on such programs is a drop in the bucket in comparison to wasteful domestic spending. If it goes to feed and give medical care to human beings, I'm cool with it. Multiple times of that amount are spent on bombs that kill innocent people in the countries the US government is bombing on a daily basis.

Response by SSgt Eric Owens made Nov 12 at 2017 4:38 PM

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NO what part of Illegal does anyone not understand. There are veterans in this country who can't get welfare, public assistance or help from the VA or food stamps. Legal citizens get less. So NO I don't care about them at all. If they want help get a job. Follow the legal well established process that has been on the books for 100 years and become a legal citizen. Nuff said?

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2017 4:44 PM

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Not only no but Fk no. The real question you should be asking is why are they even here at all, and why are the politicians turning a blind eye to it

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2017 5:58 PM

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Sorry, no.

Response by PFC Bradley Campbell made Nov 12 at 2017 6:27 PM

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Response by SPC Glenn Lovell made Nov 13 at 2017 7:13 PM

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Illegal immigrants are NOT allowed to receive SNAP benefits, and must provide proof of status when applying. Don't believe all of the stories out there, because there's a lot of myths about who is eligible. There's also many anecdotal stories about fraud, like the guy who bought crab legs on food stamps (which turned out to be a guy who stole a food stamp card from his ex-girlfriend in Michigan, and spent her food stamps on expensive seafood, and when the receipt was found and the internet outrage began, the state of michigan stood up and said "Nope. He already went to jail for stealing the card.") The exceptions that you see in this source (below) provide for refugees and those with asylum status - which aren't as numerous as you might think. It's also important to note that there are waiting periods for many of them. https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/snap-policy-non-citizen-eligibility

SNAP Policy on Non-Citizen Eligibility | Food and Nutrition Service

A person must be a U.S. citizen or an eligible, lawfully-present non-citizen to qualify for SNAP benefits. Non-citizens who are eligible based on their immigration status must also satisfy other SNAP eligibility requirements such as income and resource limits to receive SNAP benefits.Non-citizens eligible with no waiting periodThe following non-citizens are eligible with no waiting period:

Response by PO1 Fred Mitchell made Nov 16 at 2017 4:58 PM

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Not only NO, but heck NO. The only thing they get is an escort back across the border.

Response by Sgt Joe LoParo made Nov 16 at 2017 5:54 PM

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Absolutely not. I have a problem with welfare recipients now having access quicker then Vets to services. Definitely not in favor of any illegal receiving assistance

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 17 at 2017 12:04 PM

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A little off subject but I think the government should do a heck of a better job caring for Veterans. That should be this country first order of business when it comes to providing services and assistance to any group of people absolutely no offense intended to any one. I am so sick and tired of hearing so many lying politicians say what they are going to do for Veterans. Then they back door us screwing us out of something we deserve. My question is why are there so many homeless veterans? When the peace treaties are negotiated and signed. The fight and war isn't over for the Veterans it continues. However politicians can easily agree on spending trillions of dollars sending us into battle. Then why can't the politicians come to their senses and agree on spending billions taking care of the Veterans? As politicians they don't have to be brave to send us into battle. The ones that go into battle are the braves ones putting their lives on the line to ensure we have a free nation . However the politicians should have some decency to see that we get what we deserve when and if we return and not have to fight our own government for it. This shouldn't be a partisan issue when it comes to looking out for Veterans.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2017 2:22 PM

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If they are illegal, then why are we caring about or for them at all? Except for deporting them.. and with haste.

Response by SGT Scott Moreland made Nov 17 at 2017 8:11 PM

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No! They should be deported immediately.

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 18 at 2017 2:57 PM

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I would rather be a healthy peasant than a rich king
The Health and care and assistance for Veterans should come before all.
Our Health is the greatest of all our possessions. That's why it's imperative that the VA assures that Veterans care is improved and get rid of the Manager's that are falsifying records on appointments and their facilities are providing sub par care so they can receive bonuses how selfish is that. These unscrupulous Manager's put their bonuses above the life's of Veterans. That's very cold blooded. We know that in battle serving some of us will never return home alive. However that shouldn't be case losing lives of Veterans because they couldn't get an appointment. We must contact our elected politicians and let them hear it from us that we will not stand for Veterans to continually be mistreated and receive sub par care.

Just because I receive good care from the VA facility in Martinez California. It doesn't make me feel any better knowing that somewhere out there a Veteran died because he or she couldn't get an appointment or they committed suicide because they were so frustrated with the system.

Keep in mind how long did our government deny agent orange? I wasn't there but I talked to so many guys that explained how the herbicide was all over the foliage and everything around them. Now let's fast forward almost 700,000 of us were sent to the Persian Gulf in 1991. Many returned with illnesses that couldn't be determined what they were. Headaches, nausea and rashes etc. Later to know as the Gulf War Illness. Most of the Veterans are having a heck of a time with the VA Benefits system again because the government is in denial.

This is not right it's unacceptable and should not be happening at all! Although the system has improved there is still a lot of work to be done. Again I say we as brothers and sisters we must hold these so called Veteran friendly Politicians accountable to deliver not on promises but on what's right. Let's not let them continue to play Russian roulette with our health care. Because our health is the main source off our wealth!

Peace!

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Nov 18 at 2017 3:00 PM

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They can't contrary to right-wing hype.
Nor is there any push or legislation to enable this.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Nov 18 at 2017 3:17 PM

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NO I do not. Those programs are in place for America's legal residents and immigrants. Illegal immigrants shouldn't have access to them till they are legal citizens of the USA.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2017 3:55 PM

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You should only be allowed to receive any social services if you're a citizen of the country. My heart goes out to people around the world who dream of coming here to the land of opportunity, but if you want to come here, come the right way and contribute to the economy. It doesn't strengthen our country to have anybody come and immediately be put on assistance. Imagine if the military made decisions like this....everybody can enlist, even if you're not deployable, can't accomplish the mission, and take tremendous resources just for everybody else to push through...oh wait :)

Response by Sgt Don Eichorn made Nov 18 at 2017 4:22 PM

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In my opinion, I do not think that illegal immigrants should be able to get any type of public assistance, welfare or government aid.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2017 8:19 PM

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Absolutely not. As opposed to deporting them because we all know they come back, use those FEMA Camps to house them. Let them work by cleaning up roads, or some other work camp jobs so they can pay their own way. Give them the opportunity to become legal citizens, pay taxes like everyone else, etc. Then they can earn their SSN like I did.

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 18 at 2017 9:50 PM

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Again what I say Veterans first and no-one should forget that if there is room for others so be it but absolutely Veterans first that's my opinion.

Let's honor those that are serving and those that have served. With Veterans Day behind us now. We should never forget about those that are wearing or have worn a military uniform.

We all have made many sacrifices and many of us have put our lives on the line to assure and protect the freedoms that we have. We deserve to recognized for our commitment to serving this country 365 days a year not just on Veterans Day.

It means something to be a Military member and a Veteran. Many in our society are clueless to that. I served with some very brave men and women. Many of them we are still close friends to this very day. Despite some off the hardships and deployments overseas several times. If I could
do it again I'll do it with absolutely no regrets whatsoever with a smile on my face.

Despite many efforts by politicians for several decades to place the issues facing Veterans on the back burner. We must hold them accountable and let them know it is absolutely unacceptable and we will not go down without a heck of a fight because that's what we do..

So I would like to say to all past, present and future men and women in uniform thank you and may God bless you and your families. As the saying goes we my not know them all but we owe them all.

Peace

Response by Lisbeth Tinizhanay made Nov 19 at 2017 6:03 PM

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Although Illegal Immigrants are not supposed to be here, most left families, friends, everything they owned so their children or themselves could have abetter future. Sure they came here illegally but if their countries are being attacked, or if their country isnt realy doing much to help them thrive, Their last option is to leave everything behind. They do deserve welfare/Public assistance.

Response by SGT J M Porters made Nov 23 at 2017 11:00 PM

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I think something that we miss or do not consider. American have big hearts. In reality no they are not to use these benefits but if you look at the policy of politician they provide these services in exchange for votes. I could never turn my back on anyone that need help and I knew it be they citizen or illegal immigrants. We have help those in Korea and other nation why not at home also.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2017 7:34 AM

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NO they should NOT be allowed to have any benefits that are supported by LEGAL tax paying citizens, What part of ILLEGAL does the Government understand? NO food Stamps, NO Welfare checks, NO Medical insurance, As a Retired soldier that served this country for 30+ years, I still have to pay for my medical insurance (Tri-Care prime) for my spouse and my self, and pay a co pay each time we visit the Dr. I do not get any FREE benefits for serving so the Illegals should not get a single dime for doing nothing

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Nov 24 at 2017 8:16 AM

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I don't understand the question? Illegal means Illegal. Hence the proposed recipient is not here lawfully. Therefore the query is moot

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 24 at 2017 8:26 AM

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Response by CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr. made Nov 24 at 2017 10:06 AM

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The LAW sats no. But the government is not enforcing it.

Response by SSG Diane R. made Nov 24 at 2017 12:13 PM

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No, send them home and bill their country of origin for the deportation costs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2017 1:40 PM

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They should be used to build Trump’s Wall and only offered the basic services that pertain to health and wellness

Response by SSG Rock Wolf made Nov 24 at 2017 11:54 PM

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The rules say no and being illegal does not give anyone special benefits.

Response by Cpl Robert Robertson made Nov 25 at 2017 11:06 AM

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If they have enlisted and gone to war for the nation? Yes
Otherwise no

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Nov 25 at 2017 7:04 PM

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No.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Nov 26 at 2017 3:05 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner Since the question is presented in the pejorative it makes some assumptions. THe first being that migrants (legal or illegal in the sense they don't poses any government document commonly called a green card) make up a significant part of those drawing "Welfare Benefits". I have yet to see an documentation that immigrants are a major part of those who receive benefits. I think the assumption the question can be considered the same as the post Presidential election claim that three million illegal immigrants voted. The problem with immigrants and economic issues is that they have babies. Immigrant women whith few exceptions have on the average twice as many children the native born women. I haven't see a Dept. of Labor unemployment report that has immigrants (legal or illegal) as a significant part of those unemployed. I think the assumption of immigrants legal or not is the come to the US to make money which is work. They are not coming to relax and enjoy a sunny life on the beach and the local taxpayers.

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 26 at 2017 3:20 PM

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My opinion for all groups that think they should be provided preferential treatment. Veterans should come first and then the rest should be in line behind us. I have no intention of sounding cold however that's the way I see it.

Peace!

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Nov 26 at 2017 6:28 PM

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Many of the homeless US Citizens are not even eligible for welfare or public assistance. When you engage in an illegal act, you have to expect consequences of your actions. The denial of public assistance at every level should and aught to be the minimum penalty. They had a choice to come to the USA via the legal path, or the illegal path. If they want welfare, they should apply in their home Jurisdiction as that is where their allegiance ultimately resides.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Nov 27 at 2017 11:44 AM

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American citizens are entitled to the benefits of US citizenship. Those who are here illegally are not. In most other countries they would be in jail.

Response by SPC Curt Brockway made Nov 30 at 2017 6:56 PM

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In my opinion FUCK NO!

Response by Mark Kinchen made Nov 30 at 2017 8:50 PM

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Why is this question even being asked? Public assistance is paid for by US taxpayers for US citizens. We already give FOREIGN aid to other countries.

Response by GySgt Charles O'Connell made Dec 1 at 2017 11:26 AM

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No, they are in the country illegally.

Response by Thomas Risi made Dec 1 at 2017 7:15 PM

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Hell no!

Response by MSG John Wirts made Dec 1 at 2017 7:19 PM

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The law has always stated that immigrants had to be healthy, self supporting, documented, learn English, and apply for citizenship. ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS do NONE OF THE ABOVE, they need to be deported, if their home countries will not accept them back, then embargo all imports from that country, and all exports to that country from the U.S. until they allow their citizens back in!

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Dec 2 at 2017 10:19 AM

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Absolutely not !! That is taxpayer dollars they are mooching on and unless they have a bill that is voted on by the taxpayers authorizing the use of taxpayer dollars to fund criminals, absolutely not !

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2017 5:05 PM

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Obviously not. The term illegal is there for a reason. It is not Star Trek. Just because there is an abundance of wealth -as in even poor people in the USA can be fat- doesn't mean that resources are not finite. Charity is for the individual and the religious institution to have dominion over. However, when it comes to the public, and they are taking my tax dollars -go to hell before you spend it on some schmuck because some postmodernist neo-Marxist has feelings about them having a dream.

Let me put it another way. I work and am paid a wage for the time and effort I sacrifice to do something I would not be doing if I were not paid. Then the government in all of its inept fashion takes a portion of my money, which is directly taking away from my life which would have been spent on other things had I not needed the money to exchange for things to survive. Then it gives a portion of my life to people that don't have the common courtesy or respect to even exist legally in the country I sacrifice my blood, sweat, tears, and time away from my family for. The government in effect is giving away the lives of its citizens for illegals and other dead weight.

There general agreement is that we give the tax money to the betterment and sustainment of society. Yet the national debt is out of control. The government credit card needs to be cancelled just like the anchor baby nonsense. In fact, just because you're born in America shouldn't mean you're entitled to anything other than basic human rights. Want to vote? Earn that through service. Basically like starship troopers. No man, nor woman should be allowed full access to a society they neither understand nor are an invested part of.

Response by SSgt Estanislado Quinones made Dec 8 at 2017 12:51 PM

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First of all lets get off the bandwagon. Just cause you have heard that illegal aliens are getting all kinds of benefits and are receiving all kind of assistance. Illegal aliens or illegal immigrants don't qualify for any kind of assistance. You have all been brainwashed by fake news on how these people are living off the taxes that we all pay. I work for the employment department and they cannot collect unemployment or any services whatsoever. They don't qualify for any federal programs either. Just in case you haven't heard everything in this country is connected to your Social Security Number. So no benefits for illegal aliens. So before we all start getting pissed off at something that is just a figment of your imagination. Yes, they do come and work because in their countries there is no work that is worth it's weight. I was just in Mexico and the dollar is 18 pesos to the dollar and people make 150-200 pesos a day. Figure it out I know you are smart. Second figment of your imagination is they are taking all our jobs. Working in the fields, yard work, dishwashers, custodians and housekeeping oh and working on the back of restaurants while the managers in front are all American.
In the state where I work there is not enough people to pick the crops in the fields so what they are doing is bringing people from other countries and they live under miserable conditions but they are making american dollars. At the end of the season the farmer has to buy their ticket back to their country and pay them what he owes them. Yes, a lot of illegal people go into the construction business because that is where they make the most money. The contractors really make out like bandits because they can get the job done in less time and many times they get compensated for saving money.

Believe me I'm against illegal immigration as all of you are. I only eat fruits and vegetables that we American people pick. I figure things that are grown and picked by true Americans should be worth something maybe we should charge more? The slogan "made, picked in America by real American hands should be in all the boxes of the fruits and vegetables.

I'm ready to give up my state job and go work in the fields because I don't want other than American hands touching my fruits and vegetables.
Are you with me or against me? Let's go what are we waiting for? All the people that are unemployed and receiving benefits and the ones that are receiving state assistance I'm sure there is a job for you as well.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Dec 8 at 2017 2:35 PM

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What is there about “illegal” we do not understand? There is a real connotation that it disqualifies such as ineligible to receive Benefits from the nation they violated the immigration laws to enter. Only benefits they are qualified to receive is criminal prosecution, adjudication and or deportation.

Response by LT Michael Hutson made Dec 9 at 2017 9:20 AM

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Never

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Dec 9 at 2017 9:56 PM

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If that's the case then I personally think that every honorable discharged Veteran should be able to have medical care for life free or at at very discounted price.

I recommend some of you research how much members off Congress pay for medical care you'll be surprised.

But the scumbags argue and fight just to give our troops a 2.4 percent raise they say it's too much. WTF are they thinking?

Peace!

Response by SP5 Lori Pong made Dec 10 at 2017 6:04 PM

2017-12-10T18:04:03-05:00

Absolutely not. Public Assistance comes from US taxpayer dollars and it is meant for taxpayers. Illegal aliens are not American citizens and therefore should not be afforded the same rights as Citizens. I get so confused trying to figure out how this can even be a real discussion.

Response by LCDR Robert Turcic made Dec 10 at 2017 8:03 PM

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Actually, there is a misnomer, but folks need to understand that you must be a US citizen to collect any benefits such as this because a SSN is required. Unless the illegal has illegally defrauded the welfare system, none are entitled with the exception of emergency medical care. There is a rumor that illegals are collecting, but this is far from the truth. We need to make sure folks understand that law as it pertains to citizenship and benefits.

Response by SFC(P) T.H. West made Dec 18 at 2017 3:16 PM

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This may come as a shock to most of you but they already can't...so should we change it so they can? I reckon not.

Response by MSgt Jeff Greene made Dec 20 at 2017 6:00 PM

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I feel sorry for the people who come into our country to make a better life for themselves, however illegal immigrants should not be allowed to use welfare or public assistance. It creates a drain on the system and may keep people who deserve the help not to get it. We can't do that in any other country in the world so why here?

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Dec 21 at 2017 9:12 AM

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This should not even be a question! NO!

Response by SSG Paul Lundquist made Dec 21 at 2017 10:43 AM

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No. It is for helping citizens to help other citizens during times of temporary set back. Welfare and public assistance should have well defined limits on time and dollar value. It is meant to assist, not live on for life.

Response by Cpl Steven Brewer made Dec 21 at 2017 1:35 PM

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Speaking of this issue alone....illegal immigrants should not be allowed to use such services.

However, there are many illegals with an ITIN...and they should be allowed to as they pay taxes. Many have an ITIN so that they can use such services as the IRS and ICE are not in the habit of comparing names, numbers, etc....on a regular basis as there is no.nees for them to.

Of course, if they don't pay taxes at all, they shouldn't.

In regards to immigration as a whole, many people quote the legality of it without considering the human factor.

I know anecdotal evidence is not credible when referring to society at large, but my personal experience with immigrants is that they work harder than the average U.S. citizen and take every opportunity afforded to them to better themselves.

Response by SGT Gregory Yelland made Dec 21 at 2017 2:12 PM

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Recognizing there are a lot of individuals that the general public consider "illegal aliens"; simply because they ARE of a different nationality, although they might be legal due to ;work, student, or marriage visas. That said: visas take time to renew and there is a difference between someone who avoided the visa process and crossed the boarder rather than got bound up in red tape. There still, to me, is no reason to provide any 'public assistance' to someone who intentionally is an illegal alien other than the free transportation and meal on the way back to their own country - the 1st time. Second time they get jailed until such time as their Embassy recovers them. Maybe we need bring back Ellis Island? Or some other place which could be used as holding place for inprocessing / verifying background checks / appealing visa extension requests or other needs??

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2017 9:13 AM

2017-12-22T09:13:05-05:00

I do not believe that illegal immigrants should be able to use our system at all. They are in this country ILLEGALLY! Send them back to the country they came from and they can come into this country the legal way.
I have absolutely NO problem with immigrants, as long as they have went through the proper channels and are here legally. That is how this country was built.
God Bless America.

Response by LT Erik Sapp made Dec 24 at 2017 4:39 PM

2017-12-24T16:39:32-05:00

Moot point. They can’t access public assistance.

Response by SGT Jose Morales made Dec 27 at 2017 12:08 AM

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Its sad that our country rather give this benefits to them than help veteran.We as veterans sacrifice ourselves to protect our country,but no.They rather give all this benefits to them, and throw us to the side.

Response by AN John Pyles made Dec 27 at 2017 6:16 PM

2017-12-27T18:16:07-05:00

Hell no, why do people from other countries live here tax free for seven years? They own most of the hotels and convenience stores, if I wanted a loan to buy a hotel, they would throw me out of the bank,the only thing we should give them is transportation out of this country, god bless the u.s.a

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Dec 28 at 2017 8:36 AM

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No, they should not be able to get any form of assistance. If political people want to help them, then change the laws so they are no longer "illegal". Our government has become a joke with people deciding what laws they want to pick and choose to obey. If its a bad law, change it. But don't look the other way.

Response by MAJ Timothy Hyink made Dec 28 at 2017 10:23 AM

2017-12-28T10:23:52-05:00

Never

Response by LCpl Bonifacio Dominguez Jr. made Dec 28 at 2017 2:47 PM

2017-12-28T14:47:35-05:00

When someone needs help, I will help them so that they don't go hungry. what they do with that help is between them and God. I don't feel like it is my place to judge. This issue was created by several factors. The abuse and persecution of these workers and their children is ungodly. It is close to slavery in some instances of the abuse. Walk a mile in their shoes

Response by MSgt Joel Craig made Dec 28 at 2017 9:52 PM

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Growing up on the border, I saw it every day. A friend of mine had a grandmother that had cancer and lived across the boarder. They snuck her across and took her to the hospital. WE the US paid for all her cancer treatments, hospital stay and all her drugs. When they discharged her she went home to Mexico. THAT'S wrong! Hell NO!

Response by SSgt David Marks made Dec 29 at 2017 11:03 PM

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No. If they are here illegally, they should not receive any help. I know it sounds hard, but they are getting a heck of a lot of help, when he homeless deserve the help more.

Response by SSG Melvin Bruce French made Dec 30 at 2017 10:21 PM

2017-12-30T22:21:24-05:00

Only food while in jail for being here illegally.

Response by COL Paul Bierhaus made Dec 31 at 2017 4:49 PM

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Without doubt NO. They came here by disregarding the laws of the USA and now want to benefit from their violation of the law. It makes no sense to reward them rather send them back and let them come in legally

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jan 2 at 2018 2:47 PM

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In about 2001,I went to my ER in Decatur Alabama with a pretty bad cut on my hand, about 3 inches long and nearly 1/2 inch deep in the ball of my hand. I was in pain and miserable. The staff took my info and I had to sit around waiting and bleeding while they dealt with a woman (about 18) with a newborn and another baby maybe a year old at most. She was Mexican. Not Mexican-American. Well, that's what I believe since she literally did not understand a word of English and they had to dredge up someone who spoke Spanish to talk to her, so she could have been from pretty much anywhere in South America. She somehow had Medicaid (well, I think. It was a card from the USG with alternating blue and white stripes) for both the anchor babies. Ok, she was there first, but I was bleeding, and she had already seen the doctor about --whatever, the discussion was about taking up donations to get her a taxi ride home. Because "the pore little thang would have to push that buggy all the way home". Meanwhile, I was in a lot of pain and dripping blood on the floor because my paper towel bandage was saturated through. They screwed around with her for a good 15 minutes longer than necessary before getting me in to see anyone. The novocaine was probably the best drugs I ever had, for whatever reason, it was really painful.

Well, fuck. I couldn't get those cards, for myself or any children. I served in the USAF for 21.5 years, and at the time was a Deputy Sheriff, and I paid taxes my whole damn life. Hatred, much? Hell yes, I'm human. I'm not proud of how that made me feel. I understand the instinct that made the ladies at reception do that, it would be natural for me to help a woman like that, too. They didn't make the circumstances. Had she stayed her ass at home, though, the incident wouldn't have happened.
So here's my thing--

Welcome to the US. But first, do all the hard shit like all the immigration paperwork. Learn how to speak English. Get a driver's license, and insurance, and register your car in your own, real name, so that when you get drunk and run into me you can't just run away (saw that happen about a dozen times), and so the rest of us don't have to pay "uninsured motorist" premiums because of you. Don't change the name you go by on your fake ID so when you get tickets everyone else has to pay, the warrants have no effect and you get away scot free. I bet there are several thousand warrants on fake, Mexican names in every county in the South that has chicken houses and packing plants.

The last couple years I was a cop, I just quit writing tickets because the above sort of shit was so prevalent, why should I make Americans pay fines when illegals didn't have to?

This is not addressed to legal immigrants at all, i respect every one I ever worked with in the USAF and there were a lot.

I sort of expect to be attacked for my attitude about this, really don't give a damn. Maybe not on this forum, we'll see.

Response by SGT George Smith made Jan 2 at 2018 9:11 PM

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No.

Response by PO1 Mitch Feller made Jan 3 at 2018 7:06 PM

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They are already NOT allowed to receive benifits this is an irrelevant question created to anger over a problem that does not exist.

Response by PO3 Sonny Simms made Jan 4 at 2018 8:48 AM

2018-01-04T08:48:54-05:00

It is an absurd question. Illegal doesn’t mean cross the border, demand to live like royalty and at the same time, push Americans around like were the third world misfits.

Response by Sgt Dan Bradshaw made Jan 4 at 2018 8:54 PM

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No. Illegals should get nothing.

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Jan 5 at 2018 7:13 AM

2018-01-05T07:13:36-05:00

No. Deport them, it is cheaper.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2018 4:57 PM

2018-01-05T16:57:57-05:00

No. In addition to the valid previous responses, providing entitlements and benefits of citizens to non-citizens undermines the entire legal immigration process. Given the lack of voter ID laws, it also introduces ambiguity into our election processes.

With regard to illegal aliens, the only thing my tax dollars should pay for is emergency medical care and a swift deportation. Note that includes clarifying the 14th Amendment IAW the intent of the drafter of the original bill & its sponsors and remove the "anchor baby" interpretation of birthright citizenship.

Response by PO1 Steven Bridge made Jan 7 at 2018 7:51 PM

2018-01-07T19:51:15-05:00

Interesting question in today's world (January, 2018). What about the children of Illegals? If t hose children were taken from their home country when they were less than 5 years of age... or not even born yet... Illegals bearing children here in the USA, and then challenging those children who've only lived within our borders and know no other country?

I have an opinion on this - but curious to hear what others think about DACA and the Dreamers.

Response by SSG Floyd Morris made Jan 8 at 2018 2:20 AM

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No!!!! We do not owe them anything

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jan 8 at 2018 4:49 AM

2018-01-08T04:49:06-05:00

No, if you are here illega

Response by CCMSgt William Galvan made Jan 8 at 2018 12:03 PM

2018-01-08T12:03:09-05:00

NO! I totally concur with Cody.
I will add that I work with homeless (on the street, cold and hungry) every day. For a fraction of what the U.S. spends on "illegal" immigrants, veterans could regain their dignity.

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Jan 8 at 2018 12:27 PM

2018-01-08T12:27:59-05:00

Yes I do.

Response by SFC Kevin Teinert made Jan 9 at 2018 9:41 PM

2018-01-09T21:41:53-05:00

I see this question come up a lot and the reality is this question is meaningless for the simple reason that a illegal immigrate can not get welfare or public assistance. That is the law in all 50 states. I know we have all seen post on the internet saying that illegals get welfare but it’s just not true. Think about it a illegal goes into a government office and tells them all there info including address how long do you think it would be before they are deported. Come on use your heads. There are two things you can get as a illegal from the government. One is public schools can not turn away a illegal child under 18 and can’t release any information to anyone about that child being a illegal. The other is illegals can get emergency room care only if life threatening and can not be turned away. Look it up.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2018 3:25 PM

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If they can prove that they are doing jobs Americans don't want to do or cannot afford to do due to very low pay, I think it is only fair to allow public assistance, while processing their deportation paperwork. On the other hand, we must reform and expedite legal immigration, so that our country get the right mix of skilled labor. Lazy or unskilled Americans must be held accountable to work and earn a living. Drug test is a must. Oh, arm all law abiding citizens, so that lazy criminals will be dealt with swiftly when they rob and steal other people's property. You will see murder and robbery drop over night in freaking Chicago. I always want to buy a nice house there, but no way right now.

Response by Marion Ryberg made Jan 11 at 2018 10:56 PM

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No, no, no illegals should never receive benefits that citizens. If they do, there’s no reason at to claim citizenship in this country. Citizens of the USA should come first.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 11 at 2018 11:14 PM

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Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 10:41 AM

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Here is a quick answer: NO! I'll even go one better: if a LEGAL immigrant comes here and can't/won't/doesn't find a job and take care of themselves and their families, they should be sent back to what ever.... hole they came from!

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Jan 12 at 2018 1:46 PM

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I knew a man who felt he had the answer to the anchor babies, deport the illegal alien parent, and present them with a choice, since their parental rights still hold, of taking their American born child with them, leaving the child with a relative who is here legally or putting the child up for adoption. That's the choice his mother was given, he grew up in Guatemala and when he turned 18, he returned to the US.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jan 12 at 2018 2:00 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner To respond to the question I say an unqualified YES. The alternative is far more costly in both cultural and economic terms. Americans should be proud that we are a country people want to get into, even with our current Administration's racist views, The typical immigrant id leaving the country of hit or her birth and will sacrifice everything to come to America. Public assistance is meant for everybody that needs it regardless of citizenship status.

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 12 at 2018 2:14 PM

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No, the word illegal says enough for me. There are legal residents trying to get on that and they cant because of being bumped off the priority lists by....an undocumented laborer who is undocumented because he or she snuck under a wire over a wall or through the river to cheat our tax and welfare codes.

Response by SN Tim Sparks made Jan 13 at 2018 10:12 AM

2018-01-13T10:12:44-05:00

No they should not.

Response by PO3 Eric Siegel made Jan 13 at 2018 1:00 PM

2018-01-13T13:00:37-05:00

NO! NO WAY! ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Jan 13 at 2018 9:08 PM

2018-01-13T21:08:37-05:00

Stupid question. What is it about illegal one does not understand? On that note might I remark that welfare/public assitance was meant as a temporary income during post depression days till those users of the system were able to find work. Now we have four and five generations of perfectly healthy people who think their welfare checks and food stamps are their rights to have. Bad enough that this particular element of lazies get free handouts. Now our government wants to and is doleing out freebies to illegals at the expense of those who work and pay taxes. You asked and I answered.

Response by SSgt Thomas Hirschey made Jan 14 at 2018 9:10 AM

2018-01-14T09:10:09-05:00

No, they should have to be here legally.

Response by GySgt Robert Otto made Jan 15 at 2018 9:16 AM

2018-01-15T09:16:32-05:00

Hell no.

Response by SFC Malcolm Haugen made Jan 17 at 2018 4:55 PM

2018-01-17T16:55:46-05:00

No. None of them deserve a thing. We didn’t fight fo other countries to come here, we fought to keep their lands free and the could live in their own homes. Giving out what we paid into is cutting our own throats. It taking away from our family’s. I will be damn if I’m giving up what I fought for for me, my kids or future generations. I’m not paying into a system and cut my granddaughters throat. Quit giving hand outs and teach these people, in their country, how to support themselves. We save them, now we support them? Not on my dime.

Response by Lt Col Robert Canfield made Jan 18 at 2018 8:04 PM

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Maybe a sandwich and a coke while they travel on the bus or plane back to their country of origin. Other than that, put me down in the "NO" column.

Response by SGT Walter Lester made Jan 20 at 2018 9:56 AM

2018-01-20T09:56:58-05:00

I agree with LTC Patrick Husted 100% they are in violation of our immigration laws and the only benefit they should get is a one way ticket back across the border.They haven't earned or paid into our welfare system or anything else. They have violated our laws knowingly.

Response by CWO4 David Bureman made Jan 21 at 2018 2:19 PM

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No benefits for illegals, they are illegal and US needs only to take care of Americans. They, the Democrats couldn’t care less about illegals they only want their population to grow and maintain their support for the Democratic’s!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 10:04 PM

2018-01-21T22:04:37-05:00

Why is this even a question ?
Is there confusion with interpretation of Federal law ?

Response by PO2 Robert Cuminale made Jan 21 at 2018 11:59 PM

2018-01-21T23:59:31-05:00

Between the illegals and the "refugees" there soon won't be any funds for citizens' care.
In today's NY Times there a story about a guy living in Elizabeth NJ who is a refugee from the Democratic Republic Of The Congo. He has no marketable skills and is cleaning fish. His wife is still in the camp where he met her. He hopes to have her here soon.
She has blocked Fallopian tubes. She wants us to fix her problem after she gets here. She'd hope to have at least 8 children. We need more people like these two, too stupid to realize that their country's high birth rate is why most of the country is malnourished and poorly educated if at all. They're ripe pickings for the dictator running their country.
They and others like them will pick us clean educating their children, feeding and housing them. In 2001 there were two earthquakes in El Salvador. Salvadorans flooded into the US and over stayed their visas. Not wanting to send them back while the country was in chaos we passed a law giving them temporary shelter here. The problem is that they didn't see it as temporary. They married, had children and bought property. Most after 17 years here do not speak English. The routine is the same. We feed and hose them and provide their medical care. Now one political party wants to give them citizenship so they'll vote for it. And they'll be able to bring family members in too who will also be taken care of. We have the same problem with the Haitians we allowed to stay here "temporarily".
I have a newspaper clipping here about a woman who brought her father and brother in from Russia. She came here and gained citizenship. Now she's brought her family in. Her father has had three strokes and cannot work. Her brother has cerebral palsy and is in a wheel chair. They both collect SSI, SNAP and Medicaid.
We're being played for suckers. In another 25 years or so if this continues there will be only one political party. This party already controls most of the Northeast and the West Coast. It's working its way down the East Coast now. Virginia is theirs, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida are almost theirs. In time they'll scrap the Constitution in favor of a manifesto one amendment at a time. They'll have the votes to do as they wish.
I'm 66 years old and I won't have to live in this "utopia", thank God.

Response by PO3 Sonny Simms made Jan 22 at 2018 11:56 AM

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We are the ONLY country in the world that allows people who sneak in to vote, get free medical while our vets battle to get an appointment at some subpar facility. Free education, housing and a fat check monthly. Don’t forget, no taxes.

Response by MSG Richard DeGaetano made Jan 22 at 2018 12:16 PM

2018-01-22T12:16:02-05:00

I really don't understand the question even being asked. They are illegal! The only assistance they should get is to be deported.

Response by MSG Richard DeGaetano made Jan 22 at 2018 12:17 PM

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I really don't understand the questions even being asked. They are illegal! The only assistance they should get is assistance being deported!

Response by LCDR Peter Tonnessen made Jan 24 at 2018 9:16 AM

2018-01-24T09:16:38-05:00

Absolutely not. They should be forcefully removed, and if they return, they should be shot. We don't have the money to waste on repeat offenders. They are non-uniformed members of an invasion, and we need to put an end to this, once and for all.

Response by PO2 Jody Flournoy made Jan 24 at 2018 11:34 AM

2018-01-24T11:34:53-05:00

Absolutely not!!!! They are illegals and should be returned to the country from where they came.

Response by SPC Noel La Berge made Jan 24 at 2018 4:30 PM

2018-01-24T16:30:54-05:00

I believe they should be able to use transportation necessary to get the hell outta here. Then if they want to return, get in line and do it the legal way.

Response by CW4 Paul Zeisman made Jan 25 at 2018 8:43 AM

2018-01-25T08:43:57-05:00

Not only no but hell no

Response by MSG Les Amaya made Jan 28 at 2018 3:36 PM

2018-01-28T15:36:18-05:00

No. If they are illegal, no they shouldn’t!

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2018 4:06 PM

2018-01-28T16:06:13-05:00

Nope. Nope. No.

Response by Maj Robert Dudley made Jan 28 at 2018 4:54 PM

2018-01-28T16:54:32-05:00

Um, no! Though, I do think they should be allowed one way transport to what ever country they were in before they invaded America.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 28 at 2018 11:44 PM

2018-01-28T23:44:18-05:00

If the welfare dole were shut off, there would be less incentive for them to be here. The only public assistance would a trip back home.
Why do they get benefits our homeless veterans can't get? Past time to take care of our own.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 28 at 2018 11:50 PM

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A LAST PLEA FOR AMERICANISM*
THEODORE ROOSEVELT
"There must be no sagging back in the fight for Americanism merely because the war is over.
There are plenty of persons who have already made the assertion that they believe the American people have a short memory and that they intend to revive all the foreign associations which most directly interfere with the complete Americanization of our people. Our principle in this matter should be absolutely simple.
In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American.
If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance at all.
We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberal government and civilization just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people cut as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding¬house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."
*An extract from the last message of Theodore Roosevelt, read at a meeting which he was too ill to attend.

Response by CPL Eric Bennett made Jan 29 at 2018 8:02 PM

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Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Jan 29 at 2018 8:15 PM

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Not if I have anything to say about it! If they want to live the way many Citizens live and are entitled to, they must be law bidding in the first place! Being Illegal Immigrants is getting off on the wrong foot and will get you the fast track out of this country! IMHO!

Response by SGT Travis Williard made Jan 30 at 2018 3:05 AM

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No, not even a little bit.

Illegals should be deported. Period. Do it legally or get out.

Response by SSG Rafael Rodriguez made Jan 30 at 2018 3:37 PM

2018-01-30T15:37:45-05:00

No. We pay taxes, work day in and day out, make a living enough for a roof over our heads, pay bills and so on. We have american homeless, american disabled that need this services that have earned it. Lets take care of our own first.

Response by SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ] made Jan 30 at 2018 4:15 PM

2018-01-30T16:15:44-05:00

When a nation lose control of its borders .It soon ceases to be a nation .sign 40 yards

Response by SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ] made Jan 30 at 2018 4:18 PM

2018-01-30T16:18:08-05:00

No A nation that lose control of it border soon cease to be a nation .sign 40 yards

Response by CDR Elizabeth Edmunds made Jan 31 at 2018 12:47 PM

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No one who is here ILLEGALLY (against the law) should receive any benefits. If you live here legally, learn English, and become a citizen just as all of our ancestors from Europe did. Don't expect us to learn your language or print materials in your language or give you benefits if you are not a citizen. Only the Dreamers who are living according to the law should be able to become citizens. If they have a conviction in addition to being here illegally, there should not be a path to citizenship.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jan 31 at 2018 3:26 PM

2018-01-31T15:26:07-05:00

Aw HELL NO!!! It's difficult for many LEGAL Americans and LEGAL Immigrants to get the aide they need and these Liberals want to just give illegals everything just because. Screw that. How about giving to Americans first and not give to any illegals until homelessness and hunger is almost eradicated here.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jan 31 at 2018 3:26 PM

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Response by Sgt John Whitner made Feb 1 at 2018 5:38 PM

2018-02-01T17:38:40-05:00

Absolutely NOT! They want this, then become a citizen

Response by LTC Robert Starrett made Feb 3 at 2018 9:40 AM

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Complicated issue. It’s the age old question “sins of the father.” The real issue is fix the system. Many vets are in this dilemma. We need to find a way to citizenship for those who qualify.

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Feb 4 at 2018 12:28 PM

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What part of ILLEGAL don't we understand???

Response by CPO Sean Flaherty made Feb 5 at 2018 10:08 AM

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Nope. Think of this. Many of these "dreamers" have been here for 15-20 years. Why haven't any of them applied for legal citizenship?

Response by CPT Gayle Schantzen made Feb 6 at 2018 12:37 PM

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It is a common misperception that they do now. Pregnant women can get WIC assistance to help ensure the delivery of a healthy baby because they are pregnant with a US citizen. I know sometimes people think they see "illegals" using food stamps but the reality is, they are the custodian of the benefits for their minor child, a US citizen much like when an ex-spouse of a military member shops at the commissary on behalf of the active-duty member's minor child. AND I know that brown people are easy to target because we can tell who they are, there are thousands of illegal white people here too--we just tend not to demonize them because we don't know who they are. Japanese were demonized furing WWII because we knew who they were while sympathetic Germans flew under the radar. The illegal problem would be solved a lot faster if people didn't hire them but (speaking now primarily of Mexicans) who would do that sort of work they do AND having recently lived in a farming area saw many of the same people who were so adamantly opposed to them, couldn't run their farms without them. To get Americans to do farm labor, the work would have to be improved from both a safety and economic standpoint--preferably union labor and GOOD wages and benefits. And we would have to learn to pay more for food. No American is going to take the "deal" that the Mexicans get which is why we have relatively cheap food in the US. Illegal immigration is at an all-time low and I have seen crops rotting on trees and in the fields for lack ot harvest employees.

Response by CPO Douglas Walker made Feb 6 at 2018 9:23 PM

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Response by SFC Tony Bennett made Feb 6 at 2018 10:53 PM

2018-02-06T22:53:42-05:00

OF COURSE NOT, But I also think having WATERING POINTS on the frontier where illegal immigrants illegally cross into this country is just as asinine. The idea of issuing drivers licenses to illegal immigrants is also EQUALLY asinine. Forget the stupid wall which of course will as ineffective as the current barriers. But it sure does stir the tRUMPstes to a frenzy despite being JUST PLAIN STUPID.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 6 at 2018 11:31 PM

2018-02-06T23:31:14-05:00

If I have to choose between a child starving to death and living in a box and NOT starving to death and living in a box, I'm going to side with humanity versus arbitrary lines on a map. At some point just being a decent human being should come into play...

Response by SSgt Douglas King made Feb 12 at 2018 10:01 PM

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What part of illeagal do some of you do not understand. No benifits, health care, food stamps ect. Only thing is a 1 way ticket back to point of origin. PERIOD.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Feb 18 at 2018 10:36 PM

2018-02-18T22:36:48-05:00

Hell no illegal immigrants have no right to social welfare benefits.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2018 9:23 AM

2018-02-21T09:23:41-05:00

No..this is why the ss benefits are diminishing for our generation and those who follow.

Response by SSG Jerry Ortman made Feb 24 at 2018 8:41 AM

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Welfare should be for citizens only

Response by LTC Edward Hathaway made Feb 25 at 2018 5:31 PM

2018-02-25T17:31:23-05:00

NO. If I went to Mexico would I get welfare,social benefits,reduced college tuition??? They are here illegally and should not receive anything but a ticket home!!

Response by SSG Louis Dunnigan made Mar 4 at 2018 2:14 PM

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no they shouldn't beable to use it because they're not US citizens

Response by SGT James Clark made Mar 7 at 2018 9:32 AM

2018-03-07T09:32:26-05:00

Absolutely not, there is a reason they are called ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Hell no.

Response by Sgt Lester Mount made Mar 10 at 2018 8:57 AM

2018-03-10T08:57:43-05:00

no new immigrants should get welfare, we can not survive when people come here and immediately get welfare instead of contributing to the economy.

Response by PFC Sandra Wade made Mar 11 at 2018 11:21 PM

2018-03-11T23:21:41-04:00

You mean like someone serving in the military? or former Military? Police force? Teacher ? former professional? That kind of illegal? or another kind?

Response by SSgt Rick Glime made Mar 22 at 2018 11:41 AM

2018-03-22T11:41:23-04:00

No, a resounding NO! If they are here under the former DACA program, they need to be working on getting their citizenship, I mean, seriously working towards citizenship, not in the street protesting the leadership of this country for taking away from them. If an illegal is working on their citizenship and is able to prove they are making forward progress on that goal, I would consider letting them get some benefits. NOT CASH BENEFITS, but food and medical.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2018 10:07 AM

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I feel all people of this country regardless of their citizenship should be allowed to utilized public assistance BUT for a very limited time. Public assistance should have a limit of a week, weeks, or limited amount of months. It should be capped at a certain amount of months, and one can only use it a certain amount of times within their lifetime. Public assistance should only be utilized as an emergency not as a benefit, or reliance. Additionally, it should be based on a point system, such as if you work a month, you get a credit of one day of assistance after a year of work you have a credit of 12 days if you ever need it. If you don't work you don't rate anything.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2018 11:23 PM

2018-03-24T23:23:46-04:00

I don’t think so.

Response by MSG Dan Kinzler made Mar 27 at 2018 3:49 PM

2018-03-27T15:49:14-04:00

When they come in legally, learn to speak English and pass their citizenship exam within 5 years they should be entitled, other than that they should be deported!

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Mar 29 at 2018 11:54 AM

2018-03-29T11:54:27-04:00

The only thing an illegal alien should be using is a cot in a cell before being thrown out of the USA.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Mar 29 at 2018 4:53 PM

2018-03-29T16:53:04-04:00

Considering the fact that we as "Americans" were once illegal immigrants my answer is still NO!!! A vast majority of the time II's will come here to have a child to avoid the legal system of proper entry into a country. Now were inundated with the "Dreamers" problem. I have a solution for that. Deport them all. Your parents came here "ILLEGALLY" which means your so called American citizenship in null and void. You are a product of illegal entry. We have dreamers here already and they are called our children. We have a huge population of immigrants who chose the right path to immigration and are now proud productive citizens. I applaud them for going about the process the right way. Even we as Americans can't just go to a country and start a new life, we have to go through the proper channels. I sympathize with the problem immigrants face in some of these countries but to just disregard the law is just wrong and unacceptable. All of my immigrant friends are hear legally and even they frown on those who bypass the system.

Response by LTC Joseph Keary made Apr 1 at 2018 10:40 PM

2018-04-01T22:40:21-04:00

No, since they are illegal, they should only be entitled to the services offered to tourists and they need to be arrested and deported ASAP

Response by SSG George Husted made Apr 2 at 2018 11:25 AM

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Absolutely NOT. They should be deported. They are entitled to NOTHING.

Response by PO1 James Friedman made Apr 2 at 2018 11:47 AM

2018-04-02T11:47:54-04:00

No, NEVER

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2018 6:44 PM

2018-04-02T18:44:07-04:00

No.

They are "illegal."

Response by CSM William DeWolf made Apr 3 at 2018 1:27 PM

2018-04-03T13:27:05-04:00

"Illegal" NO!

Response by Eric Lund made Apr 3 at 2018 2:00 PM

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Yes absolutely! For the welfare of the state and people, we should publicly assist anyone entering this country illegally to a gallows.

Response by CW4 John Wiederecht made Apr 5 at 2018 2:01 PM

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No. Illegal immagrants should not receive any fashion of public assistance, e.g. welfare, medical, housing, food bank, educational etc. I even question why legal immagrants should be eligible; and, if they are, then they should receive for only a limited period, such as six months or a maximum of one year.

Response by 2LT Ronald Reimer made Apr 5 at 2018 2:41 PM

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No, they certainly should not be able to. They do not belong here in America, regardless of whether they are “just trying to have a better life for themselves and their families” or are “non-violent” or are “doing jobs Americans won’t do.” There are ways to address those situations, but ignoring our laws and ignoring the fact that they are here illegally is not one of them. We have a legal path to immigration. Let’s start enforcing the laws on the books.

Response by PV2 Andrew Davis made Apr 5 at 2018 10:52 PM

2018-04-05T22:52:52-04:00

Hell no.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2018 11:34 PM

2018-04-05T23:34:01-04:00

HELL F***ING NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by LtCol Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2018 11:24 PM

2018-04-09T23:24:28-04:00

No. Exception for life threatening injuries until stable.

Response by LtCol Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2018 11:25 PM

2018-04-09T23:25:35-04:00

No. Exception for life threatening injuries until stable.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2018 6:23 AM

2018-04-10T06:23:28-04:00

They should get no assistance unless is is life threatening and then only to stabilize

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2018 9:56 AM

2018-04-10T09:56:11-04:00

This question should not be on Rally Point. It is not military related and is only meant to start a heated discussion.

You sir are a troll.

Response by SCPO Bob Stevens made Apr 10 at 2018 3:46 PM

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Response by MSG James Freeman made Apr 10 at 2018 7:37 PM

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NO!

Response by SrA Duane Bender made Apr 11 at 2018 11:53 AM

2018-04-11T11:53:20-04:00

NO..

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Apr 11 at 2018 12:13 PM

2018-04-11T12:13:04-04:00

As long as liberal politicians and the failing Democratic Party dangle benefits and assistance programs before them as a means of winning perceptive future votes to enlarge their voting bloc, they will continue to receive any and all entitlements meant for the legal, tax paying American citizen. Congress must enforce immigration law working hand in hand with the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice, to round up illegal aliens regardless how the liberal communities feel about protecting and defending them and deport them back to their home countries. Illegal is just that “CRIMINAL”, and the United States must end rewarding them for their criminal behavior. How the liberal minority controls both the rule of law and immigration law is beyond comprehension. Enforce the law from the beginning, we wouldn’t be having these problems.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Apr 11 at 2018 12:35 PM

2018-04-11T12:35:25-04:00

Absolutely not. Citizenship’s comes with responsibilities and benefits. Non citizens should not be able to reap the benefits set up to assist fellow citizens.

Response by LTC Dale M Benedict made Apr 12 at 2018 11:35 PM

2018-04-12T23:35:21-04:00

Not U.S. Taxpayer-supported federal Welfare or Public Assistance as designated for U.S. Citizens, but only for private donations.

Response by Thomas Bryant made Apr 12 at 2018 11:54 PM

2018-04-12T23:54:00-04:00

I agree if you are not a citizen or a legal immigrant you should get NO government benefits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SSG Judy Segrest made Apr 14 at 2018 8:40 AM

2018-04-14T08:40:33-04:00

I don't think other countries would roll out the red carpet for Americans, legal or not. I believe in lending a helping hand to our neighbors, if they are trying to help themselves, but absolutely not if they're illegal. What kind of message are we sending out when we allow this to happen?

Response by SGT Glenn Speck made Apr 15 at 2018 9:04 AM

2018-04-15T09:04:40-04:00

Hell no.

Response by SPC James Shumate made Apr 17 at 2018 9:51 AM

2018-04-17T09:51:40-04:00

No. A situation that must (for the good of our national economy) be answered objectively.

Response by MSgt Thelbert (Whitey) Roark made Apr 19 at 2018 4:34 PM

2018-04-19T16:34:44-04:00

Not no, but Hell No!

Response by Sgt Anthony Leverington made Apr 21 at 2018 1:57 AM

2018-04-21T01:57:03-04:00

Absolutely not! If they are here "illegally", they should not have access to ANY benefits afforded to American citizens.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Apr 21 at 2018 4:03 PM

2018-04-21T16:03:43-04:00

NO! Period.

Response by MGySgt Kenneth Krueger made Apr 21 at 2018 4:58 PM

2018-04-21T16:58:54-04:00

No. Public assistance of any kind should only go to citizens. Even legal immigrants should not qualify. A legal immigrant should be self sufficient or have a sponsor that takes financial responsibility. On a related topic, social security retirement benefits should only be afforded to a citizen. If a legal immigrant worked long enough to be eligible for social security retirement and chose not to become a citizen they should not receive a taxpayer subsidized retirement. Billions of taxpayer dollars leave this country every month for non citizen beneficiaries who moved back to home country. Before we start cutting benefits for citizens let’s start eliminating them for non citizens.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2018 1:48 PM

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Hell no, Americans that need assistance only. Your not a citizen, so my tax dollars shouldn't be going to them. Why is that even a question these days. No tax dollars should be going to those that are here illegally plain and simple.

Response by Sgt Christopher Collins made Apr 26 at 2018 11:02 AM

2018-04-26T11:02:44-04:00

Easy answer... NO! Veterans before illegals.

Response by PO1 Roger Kennedy made Apr 28 at 2018 9:25 AM

2018-04-28T09:25:06-04:00

Maybe I am missing an important point... I have never been rewarded for making a mistake, broken a law, or bent a rule... so the logic escapes me when these criminals are rewarded with entitlements. This should not even be an option, a second thought, or even up for debate.

Response by SCPO William Akin made Apr 28 at 2018 6:38 PM

2018-04-28T18:38:56-04:00

Not only no, but Hell No!!!!
And while we're at it shit can (deport) all the 'gang-bangers'..
At the very least deny them medical aid when they get shot up (with a firearm or a needle)..

Response by SrA Adam Egger made Apr 29 at 2018 12:33 PM

2018-04-29T12:33:02-04:00

Benefits like this should never go to illegals. They should not be here in the first place.

Response by MSgt Eric Petersen made Apr 29 at 2018 8:57 PM

2018-04-29T20:57:32-04:00

Absolutely not

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made Apr 30 at 2018 1:53 AM

2018-04-30T01:53:45-04:00

Not only "No," but HELL NO!!

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Apr 30 at 2018 7:31 PM

2018-04-30T19:31:06-04:00

The answer to this question in No "illegal" immigrants (technically not immigrants, but aliens) should not get public assistance. Unauthorized immigrants are ineligible for most major federally-funded safety net programs this includes SNAP and welfare. The idea that droves of illegal immigrants are living off welfare / and public assistance has yet to be shown. People that are here illegally, and cannot legally qualify for these programs aren't likely to go to the government and apply for programs, that would bring attention to the fact they are here illegally!! The truth is illegal immigrants are ineligible to collect social security, but many of them are having money deducted from their paycheck that they will never be able to collect (yes they are using for the most part using counterfeit SSI IDs to do this). If illegal aliens are getting jobs here, is it the fault of the Aliens, or shouldn't we go after the people who are illegally employing them and not verifying their status, and paying them sub-standard wages. Yes these people who entered the country illegally don't belong, but I think it's a worse crime that some employers are taking advantage of them being here to pay them less than the prevailing wage.

Response by SPC William Clem made May 4 at 2018 7:31 AM

2018-05-04T07:31:06-04:00

Not just no, but hell No

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 12:12 PM

2018-05-06T12:12:42-04:00

Absolutely no public assistance, including schooling. The only way to strangle off this problem is by targeting the reasons people find it worth the risk to break our laws and infiltrate the country illegally. If you take away the free things and go after the Americans who illegally hire and harbor illegal immigrants, then you won't need a wall or massive raids, because there will be a massively reduced motivation for illegal immigration.

Response by PO3 Grant Skiles made May 7 at 2018 9:23 AM

2018-05-07T09:23:54-04:00

Illegal means that they broke the laws of the United States. This also means that they are not here as a citizen. Therefore they should NEVER receive the benefits of a citizen. I am all for immigration and trying to better yourself and your family. Just do it legally and be able to support yourself and your family. The United States has many individuals who already need support and help. We do not need to take on supporting the world.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made May 7 at 2018 9:39 AM

2018-05-07T09:39:14-04:00

just want to put this out there - the key word is "illegal" as in breaking our laws - so the answer to this question is no - send them back. no matter how the media tries to change wording "undocumented immigrants" like seriously - call it what it is - illegal.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made May 10 at 2018 4:31 PM

2018-05-10T16:31:43-04:00

Went to Mexico (Jurarez) got an exam and before they would even look at me I had to pay them. Yet they come here with their litter of kids or get here to have one and we are now obligated to care for them while they have more. If you can't follow one simple law (enter legally) then how are you gonna follow the rest. How you get here sets the standard for how you will live here. Not long ago a woman hit a valet (hit and run) he was Hispanic and so was she. The caught her on an air plane destine to Mexico. Not unlike the Vikings of old, they come, pillage, plunder then return home with the spoils. I have a resident who has several businesses in Mexico. She is considered well off down their and yet here she lives in Section 8 housing and has never labored a day in her life in the U.S. She lives off her dead husbands SS. So my answer is yea, um OH HELL TO THE NO!!!! You want citizenship serve in the military for 3yrs and then we'll talk....

Response by CMSgt Michael Ragan made May 11 at 2018 5:44 PM

2018-05-11T17:44:58-04:00

NO they should be sent back from where they came!

Response by MSgt Robert Lancaster made May 13 at 2018 8:54 AM

2018-05-13T08:54:23-04:00

No. We shouldn't allow anyone in who doesn't benefit America or who requires assistance to survive.

Response by SGT Bryan Kersey made May 13 at 2018 12:44 PM

2018-05-13T12:44:06-04:00

Absolutely NOT ! They came here illegally, they're not ENTITLED to anything we have to offer. Those benefits are designed to be used for AMERICANS and those immigrants who came here LEGALLY, done things the right way, and need that "hand up" to get them a strong foothold in this country to become good US citizens. ILLEGALS deserve NOTHING! What happens to military members who do ILLEGAL things while in, they get PUNISHED not given more, especially for their illegal acts.

Response by SFC Theodore Walker made May 13 at 2018 9:54 PM

2018-05-13T21:54:27-04:00

Emergent medical treatment only leading to deportation

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2018 12:26 AM

2018-05-14T00:26:38-04:00

Absolutely NOT ! They are ILLEGAL which makes them CRIMINAL INVADERS ! Therefore they must be tracked-down, Deported or Shot as the Criminal Invaders they Are !!!
As was said during Vietnam, 'Kill 'em ALL, let God sort 'em out '

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2018 1:02 AM

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Not a very appropriate question to be asked on this forum. However, no. These are entitlements for people that aren't here legally. That being said we see it all the time workmen's comp of injures now in NJ the Governor signed a bill allowing illegal aliens to get student loans.

Response by SGT Ed Scheve made May 16 at 2018 7:48 PM

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Absolutely not! The only tax payer money spent should be to send them back. Cheapest way possible. Cattle car worked for most of us here so I am fine with that.

The rest of that money should be used to help our homeless Vets, Vets with PTSD, and anything left for education for our Vets that need it.

After all they are all our brothers and sister and took the oath.

Response by AB Doug Paddack made May 17 at 2018 3:02 AM

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No cause they haven't taken allegiance to our country nor paid taxes as I have. And they came illegally

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made May 18 at 2018 1:46 PM

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By NO means should they have access to ANY government program, other than the program of deportation. They are NOT citizens. They have not contributed to the overall common good of our society. They chose to come here illegally, thereby ignoring the laws of our land. If they receive anything from the USA, it should be a bus ticket home.

Response by PO1 Steven Siepp made May 20 at 2018 12:26 PM

2018-05-20T12:26:24-04:00

No!!!!

Response by GySgt Moses Lozano made May 20 at 2018 1:29 PM

2018-05-20T13:29:37-04:00

I love how a lot of Americans in general are so naive when it comes to this subject. The majority of the illegal immigrants (not all) focus on working their butts off to support their families. This is because they usually come from countries where the only way to live is to work to eat. No money for new clothes, shoes, Internet, cars ect... This is why they want to come here. Of course I agree that the U. S. cannot keep accommodating all immigrants that illegally cross the border. The over all reality is that there are more American citizens who are on welfare illegally than illegal immigrants as a whole. Lastly, their are more illegal immigrants looking for honest work on the corner than holding a sign for a handout!

Response by SrA Joe M made May 20 at 2018 9:21 PM

2018-05-20T21:21:46-04:00

Why should this even be a question? ILLEGAL means illegal...

No public assistance period...

And there's thousands of Canadians in the US illegally too getting public assistance ... this isn't a minority race issue...

Response by Col David Geuting made May 23 at 2018 12:35 PM

2018-05-23T12:35:02-04:00

These kind of discussions have nothing to do with the purpose of this site.

Response by LT John Stevens made May 23 at 2018 5:48 PM

2018-05-23T17:48:25-04:00

Not only should illegal immigrants not be eligible for welfare/public assistance, all welfare and public assistance programs need desperately to be tightened up such that the programs are reserved only for those who, by no fault of their own, are unable to support themselves or their families due to illness, injury, or disability, except for temporary situation.

I believe that we as a relatively wealthy people, have an obligation to care for those of our citizens who are unable to care for themselves -- and we do an extremely poor job of that today in far too many cases at the same time that we give these "entitlement" benefits to able-bodied, able-minded people perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, if only they were given the right incentives.

Response by PO1 Mark Tabor made May 24 at 2018 6:38 PM

2018-05-24T18:38:07-04:00

NO, what part of "Illegal" dont you get?!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2018 6:14 AM

2018-05-25T06:14:16-04:00

Absolutely. The United States has one of the most bizzare social cultures of western society. We are more worried about having gun rights to kill other human beings than we are worried about taking care of other human beings. It doesn’t matter how they got here, if someone needs help they need help. You can judge a society by how well the best off take care of the worst off and in that regards Americans have a lot of work to do.

Response by SP5 James Wellner made May 25 at 2018 9:21 AM

2018-05-25T09:21:27-04:00

no way they have more rights than the people born & raised here. If they can't do things the right way get the hell out of here and don't come back

Response by SrA James Wilkinson made May 27 at 2018 10:22 AM

2018-05-27T10:22:21-04:00

I agree illegal is the key word, those here legally and loose their job or other problems, beside illegal things, should be able to receive help.

Response by SGM Jeffrey Hall made May 27 at 2018 10:39 AM

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No. I think the very act of illegally entering the country should bar you from receiving public assistance. However, I do believe that once you have legitimized your status, and paid into the system for a period of time, you should have full access to all available programs. But, being illegally here should bar you from any public assistance.

Response by SSgt Robert Prest made May 28 at 2018 9:09 PM

2018-05-28T21:09:27-04:00

Well, NO. Neither should half of the legal ones.

Response by SGT Christopher Harrison made Jun 1 at 2018 2:41 PM

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You know that they are already prohibited from getting any federal or state-administered but federally-funded benefits, right? The question is moot.

Response by SSgt John Myatt made Jun 5 at 2018 10:10 PM

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there is a problem with the original question. The advocates for amnesty have intentionally confused the issues. any person who does not have the legal right to be here and is in the country unlawfully (whether by avoiding the port of entry or by overstaying a time-limited visa) is NOT an immigrant but is Unlawfully Present in the United States. This was formerly termed "illegal alien." but the advocates have published the term "alien" as offensive and to be avoided. I prefer "one who is unlawfully present" as most descriptive. and NO they should not be permitted public assistance other than a swift trip home. I figure if I would not be permitted to continue being unlawfully present in their home country with employment rights and government provided assistance, then they should not receive anything here. BTB: under US law, any person unlawfully present in the US can receive that paid trip home simply by asking ICE. only problem: s/he cannot come back for 10 years. wow.

Response by PFC Robert Hammock made Jun 7 at 2018 10:43 PM

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Absolutely not! If they eventually become citizens then yes they do. Too many people who are here illegally get too much already. Hell, even their kids get to go to school here. And babies born to illegals automatically become citizens?! Uhh...NO! I say guilt by association

Response by SPC Maurice Tillman made Jun 9 at 2018 2:17 AM

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Yes and no, depending on the circumstances. There are too many things to consider, before simply saying either way. What if they were escaping unlawful persecution, in their state/country? Do you throw them back? What if they have been denied legal immigration, multiple times or have been on a waiting list for so long, that they're probably forgotten? People believe that it's easy peazy to get legal visas but it isn't at all. Most people are turned down, during the application process and are allowed not so much as an over-the-phone interview.

Then, what? Do you expect them to wait there entire lives? Lastly, what if they have committed felonious crimes as children but have grown up and have led straight paths, after getting out of prison? Of course, most ex-felons will be denied entry, even for visits, regardless of them being rehabilitated.

Also, what some of us do not realize is that many of our 1st generation ancestors ARE (not necessarily were) illegal immigrants. If you are a descendant of an illegal, does that not make you one, as well?

Response by CW5 Randall Hirsch made Jun 9 at 2018 3:21 PM

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Heck no they should not be collecting welfare, this money could be going to homeless veterans. The politicians in this country have their priorities screwed up, especially on the left.

Response by SGT J M Porters made Jun 11 at 2018 8:00 AM

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SPC Voye quick question how does that relate to the mission of your command or unit? We are not here to make social policy. And if you have not been deployed you will understand we give more to the poor than what we get ourself while station in the USA. Here is a question why are our troops and family on Welfare and Public assistance? Why is it when I am in line at the grocery store I see soldiers and their dependance paying with food stamps or the food stamps cards? That should not be. I like something that has been a blessing call play it forwards. That is you pick up the cost of the purchase unknown to the service members so they, in turn, pass it on to someone else. Guys, we have far worse things to be concern about that the illegal immigrant's issues

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jun 11 at 2018 8:10 AM

2018-06-11T08:10:25-04:00

My answer is No because there are few who pay into the system now, and there are plenty who should be helped.

Response by Sgt John Jones made Jun 12 at 2018 6:59 PM

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Illegal immigrants do not have anything vested in this country, in our culture, in our government. Taking the short road is not a luxury we should foster. We have a process that should be honored if you take wanting to be an American serious. As for those who are worried for those children who are misxed up in this, we'll the fault is not law, it is not government and it is not the fault of American citizens. It is the fault of illegals knowingly breaking the law and then having or bring their own children into the mix. We should not be "quilted" or pressured to care for them because they are children. Their parents put them into the situation alone. There is a protocol to handle this as best we can having been forced too now. But the laws are necessary to keep order in a society of such magnitude. If we circumvent the laws especially due to emotions, well, everyone will exploit that because it is what has been going on. There are many who should be fast tracked to citizenship due to their current and long standing love for this country and they are productive members of this country's economy and way of life. We have the means to fix this issue, but emotions should not guide those.

Response by SGM Ronald Naujelis made Jun 13 at 2018 12:29 PM

2018-06-13T12:29:51-04:00

Welfare no, food assistance yes, welfare is and has been abused for years.

Response by A1C Stanley Kolakowski made Jun 14 at 2018 9:48 AM

2018-06-14T09:48:35-04:00

And this is a question WHY?

Illegal Aliens of any sort, whether the "source" of their illegality is via an "immigration" attempt, overstaying a legitimate welcome (Visa), or what have you - need to resolve the illegality status FIRST, at which point they may qualify for benefits - or they would have a reason to NOT qualify. However, the very fact that they are committing a (usually) felony level offense to perpetrate whatever act made them an Illegal Alien to begin with is quite the disqualifier...

Response by Anne Handler made Jun 15 at 2018 12:48 PM

2018-06-15T12:48:21-04:00

Not if they are illegal!

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Jun 17 at 2018 2:35 AM

2018-06-17T02:35:19-04:00

NO. Illegal Aliens do not have any rights. They are Not here legally. They are criminals and should be treated as such until they can be deported. They can come into this country by Legal means and then they would be classified as immigrants. There is no such thing as a undocumented or illegal immigrant.....

Response by PV2 Julius Zuckerwar made Jun 17 at 2018 5:24 AM

2018-06-17T05:24:48-04:00

it's so sad that they don't help the their own USA citizens but it's a real shame I'm not racial but it's seem to me if your not from the USA those people seem to get it faster then the ones that where born and are citizen if your here and illegal they shouldn't get any kind of welfare/public assistance sent them all back where they came from if you want to live in the USA you come here the right way become a USA citizen we need to help our own people

Response by SFC Charles Woods made Jun 17 at 2018 5:46 PM

2018-06-17T17:46:23-04:00

No,the only thing illegals should get is deported to their home country.

Response by SSgt Mose Carter made Jun 17 at 2018 6:16 PM

2018-06-17T18:16:48-04:00

Illegal means the illegal so I do not think they should be entitled to any benefits except benefits to get them out of the

Response by SSgt Mose Carter made Jun 17 at 2018 6:19 PM

2018-06-17T18:19:26-04:00

Illegal means illegal so no, I do not think they should be entitled to any benefits except, benefits to get them out of the country. Country was left out of my previous post.

Response by PO1 Raymond Naser made Jun 18 at 2018 5:16 AM

2018-06-18T05:16:41-04:00

No, no, no. After processing of there crime of illegally entering the country pack them up and send them back.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Jun 22 at 2018 8:08 PM

2018-06-22T20:08:04-04:00

I believe we should provide basic humanitarian assistance. This means feeding them at the entry point while they are deported. We should also vacinate them to prevent the spread of disease in our country. Other than that nothing. Welfare is to help CITIZENS in need. We should not reward bad behavior.

Response by A1C Gerald Jessup made Jun 24 at 2018 11:01 PM

2018-06-24T23:01:59-04:00

No simple as that

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Jun 25 at 2018 10:35 AM

2018-06-25T10:35:02-04:00

No...enough said.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jun 25 at 2018 7:31 PM

2018-06-25T19:31:14-04:00

Think of this as a business model. Could any business survive if it gave away its products and services for free, and its ever-growing number of freeloading customers could take whatever they wanted without paying anything for the products? Of course not.
The United States cannot offer welfare payments, free health care, free education, free housing, free food, free internet and free cell phones to anyone who wants them. Citizens must add value to society, or society, like a business, goes bankrupt. Who pays for all of that?
My favorite quote about the inevitable failure of every Socialist government in the history of man:
"The trouble with Socialism is that sooner or later you run out of everyone else's money."
Lady Margaret Thatcher

Regards,
Hugh

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2018 8:04 AM

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Let me see if I can cover the answer in as many languages as possible. I know I will miss some but:
Albanian: jo
Amharic: አይ
Armenian: Ոչ
Azerbaijani: Yox
Belarusian: няма
Bosnian: Ne
Corsican: Innò
Danish: Ingen
English: No
French: Non
German: Nein
Latin: Nullum
Malay: Tidak
Mongolian: Үгүй
Norwegian: Nei
Portuguese: Não
Romanian: Nu
Russian: нет
Scottish Gaelic: Chan eil
Spanish: No
Swahili: Hapana
Swedish: Nej
Zulu: Cha

Response by 1SG Dave Faust made Jun 28 at 2018 3:24 PM

2018-06-28T15:24:55-04:00

No! They did not pay in they should not be able to receive.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2018 12:40 PM

2018-06-29T12:40:45-04:00

Sure, why not? Most immigrants, illegal or not, work a lot harder than most Natural Citizens of the U. S. OF A. Some say the Military is a form of "Green Welfare". So I support this! If Illegal immigrants are "taking all our jobs" and are all "rapists and murderers" then what does this say about you?

Response by SSgt William Blanshan made Jul 1 at 2018 8:13 AM

2018-07-01T08:13:37-04:00

No. It's already illegal for immigrants, legal or non, to receive any kind of welfare benefits. That's right. AGAINST. THE. LAW. period. The Democrats started giving those bennies to immigrants, even the illegal ones, to garner votes. No one who isn't impaired mentally or physically should be getting welfare benefits. That money could and should, be going to those who served honorably and got severely injured while on active duty. It could go to pay for the medical care of those with diseases like cancer, polio, or something like that, but what does the government do with it? Pay women to crank out carbon copies of themselves. That's nothing more than state sponsored prostitution

Response by PO1 Robert Johnson made Jul 1 at 2018 2:38 PM

2018-07-01T14:38:08-04:00

They are "Illegal entrants" to the USA. They therefore have no status and no claim to the rights and privileges of citizens. The USA has made the big mistake of giving them at least partial status by allowing them "Due Process" while they await deportation. While in detention, they are fed, clothed and given medical care, all on the tax payers dime. That is wrong and must be corrected. DHS should acquire fleet of trucks or buses, outfit them as living quarters with lavatory and kitchen facilities and a small staff of professionals, driver, cook, nurse and assign them to border crossing hot spots. As soon as they are apprehended, the illegal border crosser is put on the bus/ truck and as soon as the vehicle reaches design capacity, drive them back to their country of origin. Doing this for 1 year will get the word out that they have to do things the right way, the legal way.

Response by SGT Jeffrey Badger made Jul 1 at 2018 4:07 PM

2018-07-01T16:07:20-04:00

No... they're here without consent. Give them the opportunity to fill out paperwork since they're here. Wait for the acceptance or denial. Then send them on their way in the proper direction from whatever the paper states.

Illegal immigrants should have no help until they are made legal immigrants.

Response by MGySgt Jerry Suarez made Jul 2 at 2018 12:46 AM

2018-07-02T00:46:22-04:00

No no no no !!!! End of conversation!!

Response by SPC Steve ChenRobbins made Jul 2 at 2018 4:07 PM

2018-07-02T16:07:16-04:00

During the process of their deportation while they are in custody, they should be provided food, shelter and basic medical care. They should be detained in a safe place. Those are the benefits they are entitled to.

Response by SGT William Ek made Jul 2 at 2018 5:45 PM

2018-07-02T17:45:27-04:00

I personally think that Question is a Non-starter !

Response by CW4 Chad Balwanz made Jul 9 at 2018 9:25 PM

2018-07-09T21:25:22-04:00

Never ever should those who are invadeing our borders and thumbing thier nose at our laws be provided a single cent of tax payer assistance.

Response by MSG David King made Jul 11 at 2018 8:23 AM

2018-07-11T08:23:49-04:00

I think the larger question is how long are we going to allow the lawlessness to go on. We have laws that are being ignored for the sake of what, political advantage? People that have no protection under the constitution should not ever be allowed to tap public assistance that is meant for citizens, certainly not illegal aliens.

Response by SP5 Michael Motl made Jul 12 at 2018 7:35 PM

2018-07-12T19:35:44-04:00

No!

Response by CDR William Kempner made Jul 14 at 2018 11:51 AM

2018-07-14T11:51:27-04:00

Nope. I do not think they should be treated badly or cruelly, but should be returned to their country unless they can PROVE that there was a reason that they needed sanctuary. And THAT DOESN'T include their entire family-ever. Nuclear family only-mom, dad, kids. And they should have to appear at a hearing and show proof of need.

Response by Samantha S. made Jul 15 at 2018 9:44 PM

2018-07-15T21:44:24-04:00

No.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jul 16 at 2018 12:24 AM

2018-07-16T00:24:16-04:00

No send them home

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jul 16 at 2018 12:26 AM

2018-07-16T00:26:05-04:00

Plus put them all in buses and deliver them to the doorsteps of the president of Mexico

Response by SPC Kayle Benedix made Jul 16 at 2018 10:29 PM

2018-07-16T22:29:01-04:00

Absolutely NOT. They should not receive ANY assistance or support of any kind. They are here illegally.

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Jul 17 at 2018 12:54 AM

2018-07-17T00:54:17-04:00

NO!

Response by SSG Michelle Lee made Jul 18 at 2018 9:41 PM

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Response by CWO2 James Mathews made Jul 19 at 2018 1:01 PM

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There is a mixed view here both political and social. For instance we are aware that certain political views see new immigrants as a boost in the number of future voters. Then there is the concern of the natural view of sympathy for those who are ill and have little or nothing. As I read the current law it should be very carefully "revised" so that each of these factors can be dealt with. Now I know little about 'watering holes' and other items which attack our current laws. As it presently is, the law is anyone entering the US illegally is an illegal. Illegals have no rights and should recieve NO benefits from the Government. In order to deal with the increased inflow of immigrants perhaps some of the funding given to our global enemies could be directed to the work of determing who the immigrant is, where he/she comes from, background, and abilities. Those who are here illegally, within the limit agreed to for in-coming immigrants should then be closely monitored, given 3 months to apply for US Citizenship, and find a job, and a permenant address. During those 3 months they should be monitored electronically. Any violation of this agreement should result in a immediate return to their country. Don't get me wrong, politically I agree 100% with the idea that illegals should be returned by ship with a military escort not an aircraft! However, I am always stricken by the il, underfed chilren below the ages of 8 or 9 and whose confusion, and lack of understanding needs some sort of social response. In closing, I am non-political Independent, and one who has no experience in law. I am quite aware of many of the short-comings of our government and the politicians who are given the rsponsibility for running it. However, I am also sure that a commission of honest, non-political, strait-forward men and women could easily ease the social restrictions of this law. If I am wrong, then I and many, many, others have wasted our lives defending a flag of little meaning!

Response by SGT Tim Smith made Jul 20 at 2018 11:05 PM

2018-07-20T23:05:11-04:00

Denied Deported and OUTA here. We have a lot of our fellow Americans needing help. DRAIN THE SWAMP.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jul 21 at 2018 6:01 PM

2018-07-21T18:01:13-04:00

NO and NO!. My question is what happens when we rummage out of money. We have people here that needs help and they sure are shorty charging them. Vets homeless and in general a screwed up government. Some of the leaders do thing because of the party, not us. corruption in the highest place. How does a Senator manage to put away millions on a salary of less than 200,000 per year. And I believe before it’s over they are going to be pissing all over us.

Response by PO1 Roy Willard made Jul 24 at 2018 8:49 AM

2018-07-24T08:49:42-04:00

Vague question. What are the evidences that these illegal immigrants are using welfare or public assistance? Give an example. They’re illegal and not entitled. Emergent care Yes till all proper procedures are performed like deportation. They are still human beings. Immigration is a complex subject. We cannot just talk about the “what.” We should talk about the “why” and “how.”

Response by Cpl Johnathan Yother made Jul 25 at 2018 12:21 PM

2018-07-25T12:21:06-04:00

No.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Jul 28 at 2018 3:44 AM

2018-07-28T03:44:57-04:00

I come from the perspective of an RN & Adult NP for decades, & now retired ANC. How did I treat the 80+ year old great grandmother in the ER who was dying & who spoke only Spanish? How did I treat her kids, with heavily Spanish accented English, or her grandkids wit no accent & “totally American” English? I treated them ALL with respect, After great grandmother died in my ER, it turned out that she was a native born American citizen, as were all her family members mourning at her bedside. I am much more sickened by those who leap to conclusions about the “citizenship” of patients needing urgent/emergent medical care than I am about the for profit hospitals that do wallet biopsies before treatment. What we have to do is retain our humanity for all of those who are in desperate need of medical care & social services.

Response by CPT Andrew Tompkins made Jul 30 at 2018 11:27 AM

2018-07-30T11:27:37-04:00

Can we please stop propagating this straw-man arguement? How many of you know that it has been established law for 20+ years that illegal immigrants already do not recieve welfare? Or that the SSA estimates that illegal immigrants pay about $10 billion into Social Security each year - money that they will never benefit from.

Response by PO2 Leo Anderson made Jul 30 at 2018 2:14 PM

2018-07-30T14:14:58-04:00

Key word here. "Illegal." When a legal U.S. citizen commits a felony they lose their right to vote, serve on a jury and possess a firearm. Maybe not important to some people, but it is to many. Yet an illegal immigrant can be given government benefits? That is just not right. My mother and her family came to this country nearly 100 years ago and did so legally. Became citizens and were all given only the benefits of the government that they earned. Why should it be different for someone entering our country illegally?

Response by SPC Jay Peltier made Jul 31 at 2018 1:09 PM

2018-07-31T13:09:37-04:00

What kind of stupid question is that??? ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE DENIED WELFARE OR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.

Illegals do NOT get: SOCIAL SECURITY, SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY, WELFARE, SECTION 8, ETC ETC... THEY CAN'T VOTE EITHER!!!!!!

The only POSSIBLE assistance they can get is food stamps if they have kids. Which i support for the kids sake.

How very misleading of you to post such a question!

Response by SPC Maurice Tillman made Jul 31 at 2018 3:06 PM

2018-07-31T15:06:16-04:00

First, the United States is one of the most difficult nations to illegally enter and illegally reside in. So, illegally immigration has never been an issue worth noting, beyond politics. MOST APPLICANTS ARE REJECTED. A person needs a squeaky clean record to get a resident visa, in the United States, which weeds out thousands of "good" people. So, it's not as simple as "coming legally" as you believe. Literally, citizens from some friendly nations cannot even visit, unless they pass an interview. Also, nobody is perfect.

Secondly, haven't you ever done something that you aren't proud of and or were caught committing a crime, as a youth? Many of you have. In fact, some of you became soldiers because it turned your miserable lives around. Many of you joined the military because no civilian company would accept your resumes. Just as joining the military was a last-ditch effort at attaining a good life, so is crossing illegally. (SEE: My 1st POINT, AGAIN)

Third, illegal immigrant are not afforded social benefits, other than basic medicine. When I say basic, I really mean BASIC. They do not normally have food stamps, college, public education, etc. However, we have humanitarian laws that prevent us from allowing visitors to endure undue suffering. People seem to forget that...I wonder why.

Fourth, being an illegal immigrant is not easy. They cannot take regular jobs, which means that they are often paid next to nothing. Not to mention, they usually take jobs that no of us will take...because they pay next to nothing. Can you blame a man for taking a job that pays $150 a week, when that $150 a week is about 10x what he made at home?

Lastly, many of our ancestors are illegal immigrants, whether you know it or not. Does that make you illegal? By your own theories, yes. Some of you are illegal too.

Response by PO1 John Wypyszinski made Aug 2 at 2018 9:34 AM

2018-08-02T09:34:35-04:00

Absolutely not. Nor should their children be US citizens if born here because that is how they are accessing the system legally - in the anchor babies' name. No benefits whatsoever, medical care sufficient to save their life and stabilize them for return to their own country, no more, no less.

Response by SPC Angela Bolster made Aug 2 at 2018 12:22 PM

2018-08-02T12:22:05-04:00

"Hell no" is right. If I were in another country illegally, I would not expect anything. People come here expecting handouts. Well it's time they went back to where they came from or go through proper citizenship channels.

Response by SPC Jerry McEntire made Aug 3 at 2018 11:48 AM

2018-08-03T11:48:21-04:00

It bothers me that the American people have become so liberal that this question even needs to be asked? They are illegal meaning there braking the laws of our Nation!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2018 1:12 AM

2018-08-04T01:12:28-04:00

I agree that the only assistance illegal aliens should receive is emergent medical care to sustain them for deportation to their point of origin. Individuals who do not immigrate via legal means or seeking asylum by reporting to a US Embassy should receive no entitlements what so ever. All persons seeking to immigrate to the US should ONLY be allowed in through the legal system of immigration, prove that they will be an asset to the US (not a leach) and pass proper background checks (no criminals what so ever). Our nation is hemorrhaging financially due to bleeding hearts who don’t see the damage it causes.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Aug 4 at 2018 6:04 AM

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Response by SCPO Don Baker made Aug 4 at 2018 11:13 AM

2018-08-04T11:13:17-04:00

No.

Response by PO1 Fred McCall made Aug 4 at 2018 11:05 PM

2018-08-04T23:05:20-04:00

Why do people keep asking this question? They indeed cannot use such assistance (with the exception of WIK, because we don't believe in starving children), so the question is moot.

Response by SSG Jorgen Quezada made Aug 6 at 2018 4:59 PM

2018-08-06T16:59:40-04:00

Absolutely NO.

Response by CPO Richard Lyons made Aug 7 at 2018 7:04 AM

2018-08-07T07:04:07-04:00

NO!

Response by PV2 Lonnie Miller made Aug 7 at 2018 10:02 AM

2018-08-07T10:02:06-04:00

That’s a right given to the American citizens and not illegal immigrants that sneak into our country just to get welfare.

Response by PO2 Pete DePalma made Aug 9 at 2018 3:16 PM

2018-08-09T15:16:41-04:00

Ugh! The correct answer is...the y DON'T get Welfare...period! The Welfare Reform Act of 1997 strictly prohibits it.

All the hullaballo about Illegals getting Welfare is a fabrication of the Alt-Right created to fire people up.

Most people never bother to verify what they read & see online and just run with it.

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Aug 12 at 2018 4:32 PM

2018-08-12T16:32:09-04:00

No way! The keyword here is ILLEGAL. They are not here legally as they either paid a coyote to get here or overstayed their legal visa. In either case they thumbed their nose at our law. It is wrong for them to benefit from their illegal action.

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Aug 17 at 2018 8:46 PM

2018-08-17T20:46:46-04:00

There are already laws against that so why bring it up? Only the children born in the US would be eligible for welfare

Response by SSG Brian G. made Aug 20 at 2018 12:31 AM

2018-08-20T00:31:36-04:00

By law illegal immigrants already cannot use welfare/public assistance. What they do, however, do is to use the assistance that a legal relative that is already a citizen here, has.

Response by SGT Jason Loar made Aug 20 at 2018 11:43 PM

2018-08-20T23:43:05-04:00

They only welfare we need to give them is a one way ticket back to where they came from

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2018 2:02 AM

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My family came to US, worked harder than like everybody else to earn living in US as a LEGAL immigrant. It took us 8 years and cost us a fortune(a lot of money) to become a permenant resident, to receive a piece of plastic card called green card. Within that time period, we weren’t allowed to have or apply for any government subsidies nor medicaid even though my parents paid all the tax that federal/state required, and were paid lowest minium wage at the same time. My point is, it is THAT F-ing hard to be a legal immigrant and earn that piece of plastic green card, at the same I do not want to generalize all the illegals as the same, that make it easier and change the immigration policy to give them a chance to become a legal tax payer and serve this country. Howerver, I do want the government to raise the level of security background check system to filter out bad seeds.
Please don’t get me wrong, I am also against illegal immigration and am opposed to it but I however support giving them a chance so the government can tax them like everybody else.

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Aug 24 at 2018 11:33 AM

2018-08-24T11:33:59-04:00

The only assistance they should get is assistance back across the border, American veterans and the American poor needs come first as opposed to someone who came to our country illegally by sneaking across the border. Illegals broke the law, they are criminals, criminals get punished NOT rewarded.

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Aug 24 at 2018 11:38 AM

2018-08-24T11:38:05-04:00

The only assistance Illegals deserve is assistance back over the border. Our country has to take care of needy veterans and and civilians first not people that are citizens of another country. Illegal aliens broke the law as soon a they crossed the border illegally, that makes them criminals, criminals are supposed to be punished NOT rewarded.

Response by SPC David Dougherty made Aug 24 at 2018 7:37 PM

2018-08-24T19:37:16-04:00

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2018 10:28 PM

2018-08-24T22:28:48-04:00

The question is heavy on the assumption that welfare should be instituted in the first place.

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Aug 27 at 2018 12:46 AM

2018-08-27T00:46:53-04:00

Hell no but I agree with major Joe Bentley if they do everything to be here legally then let other then that no

Response by SPC George Keller made Aug 27 at 2018 11:48 AM

2018-08-27T11:48:30-04:00

HELL NO! To quote the movie Friday," You didn't put in on this, man."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2018 9:30 PM

2018-08-28T21:30:03-04:00

I sometimes ask myself why are questions like this even being asked. Is it to just piss people off or are people just that stupid. We have laws for a reason, follow them.

Response by SGT Dean Graves made Aug 29 at 2018 2:14 AM

2018-08-29T02:14:00-04:00

Hell no.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2018 3:04 PM

2018-09-01T15:04:47-04:00

There's multiple levels to this question. The fact that many working Americans are denied welfare or public assistance is an issue.. But only is so far as prices (for things we need to survive.. rent, homes, food, power, etc.) have been allowed to increase far beyond what's "livable" in the wages of most Americans. For example, a government job GS5, "entry level" job, requires a college degree, and will pay a salary of about $30k. I don't consider that a "living" wage, and that's where working people wind up NEEDING "assistance". SPC Voye, I'd ask, if you weren't able to differ cost of barracks, healthcare, and DIFAC food options, AAFES, etc., how far would E4 pay take you?

Regarding "illegal" immigrants.. America's always had immigrants identified as a problem to the existence of the rest. I'd submit, I don't see a reason why immigrants, should be "illegal" given a country composed almost exclusively by immigrants, ESPECIALLY, when the land they're "immigrating" to, was theirs in the first place.

Lastly, to the best of my knowledge, "illegals" don't have access to welfare of public assistance either. So I'd ask you to provide a link to anything that substantiates that. My logic being, if you have to "register" for assistance, then you have to have documents, if you have "documents", and they're "valid", then they're not "illegal".

Response by SPC Glenn Lovell made Sep 3 at 2018 3:14 AM

2018-09-03T03:14:14-04:00

This is a poor argument. Welfare (TANF), food stamps (SNAP), and other public safety net programs are not available by law to illegal immigrants. So the outrage over this is pure ignorance. Naturalized citizens are not able to apply for them for a period of 5 years after naturalization. Refugees who have been processed and vetted by the UN are eligible for resettlement assistance. To further stretch the argument by saying "many working americans" are denied them is disingenuous. There is an attitude in America that if someone needs assistance, they are "less than"; it is further pushed by some that people are able to live easily and freely on these programs. When you look at the amount of assistance available versus the basic costs of living, that idea quickly vanishes.

Response by CPL Jason Parker made Sep 4 at 2018 4:46 PM

2018-09-04T16:46:22-04:00

Definitely not. Illegal aliens come to our country for all the free stuff and then they send 90% of their money back to Mexico and don't use that money in the United States. So they are coming here for all the benefits but sending all of the benefits back to Mexico build a wall come here it legally or don't come at all.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Sep 6 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-09-06T19:26:08-04:00

NOBODY should be allowed to be on welfare. They need to get off their fuzzy asses and go to work like everyone else.

Response by 1SG Thomas Roman made Sep 14 at 2018 3:43 PM

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Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2018 7:03 PM

2018-09-14T19:03:44-04:00

Use common sense; absolutely not. The one time I needed help when I was struggling I didn't get any assistance, they shouldn't either.
What does this have to do with the military and rally point though?

Response by Sgt Fenner Harding Jr made Sep 17 at 2018 10:37 AM

2018-09-17T10:37:03-04:00

I really haven't had an opinion about this until about 3 weeks ago I was in Food Lion purchasing groceries. I looked around and noticed everyone had EBT cards. I don't know if they were illegals or not but if I had to bet money, I would say they were. I think assistance should be for American workers who temporarily need a helping hand. Period.

Response by Sgt Fenner Harding Jr made Sep 17 at 2018 10:38 AM

2018-09-17T10:38:43-04:00

Nope. Assistance should be for working Americans who need temporary help. The three key words are working, Americans, and temporary.

Response by Cpl Johny Gomz made Sep 20 at 2018 2:13 PM

2018-09-20T14:13:49-04:00

No, they do not have a right to be here and should not be entitled to any benefits.

Response by Cpl Johny Gomz made Sep 20 at 2018 2:16 PM

2018-09-20T14:16:41-04:00

No, they do not have a right to be here and broke our immigration laws. They should not be entitled to any benefits.

Response by Sgt Carlos Barrera made Sep 21 at 2018 8:49 AM

2018-09-21T08:49:42-04:00

WoW, that is a terrible question; insulting and demeaning to all service members of this forum.
Personally, all illegals should be rounded up and deported in mass to their respective countries; any one coming in illegally again should be deported to the north pole

Response by SSG Michael Johnson made Sep 21 at 2018 11:49 PM

2018-09-21T23:49:17-04:00

Reverse the question, should criminals be able to use welfare or public assistance? No

Response by SPC Cesar Lorenzo made Sep 24 at 2018 7:59 AM

2018-09-24T07:59:32-04:00

VET’s 1 ST

Response by Sgt Michael McEntire made Sep 24 at 2018 12:00 PM

2018-09-24T12:00:03-04:00

No, not at all! They should all be sent back to the country in which they came from!

Response by SGT Chas Brothers made Sep 27 at 2018 9:06 PM

2018-09-27T21:06:11-04:00

Absolutely not and I think it's an afront to the American people that we allow our corrupt system of government to just piddle our tax dollars away like this! And it's not just Mexicans I'm talking about, I'm talking about those from Latin America, Somalia, all muslim countries, etc, that are automatically put on our welfare rolls when entering this country either illegally or "invited" in as refugees but then refusing to assimilate.

Response by SN Vincent Acevedo made Sep 28 at 2018 10:42 AM

2018-09-28T10:42:24-04:00

Negative, it comes out of our tax dollars from the government for struggling citizens. I do not believe they should be able to collect any type of assistance like that. I do however believe that they should be given the opportunity to become citizens in this country if they have a clean record. If they in turn do not want to become citizens then at that time they should be deported. It is a topic of heavy debate, if of such a legal age (old enough or young enough) to earn their citizenship they could serve in the military, upon an honorable discharge or a successful re-enlistment they would become citizens. Something that might be able to be earned for a family member who is outside that parameter but otherwise would qualify to become a citizen. They are here, we are not going to deport millions of illegal aliens or undocumented workers but we sure could legalize them, start collecting those taxes and grow like we used to at the last turn of the century.

Response by MSgt Robert Kagel made Sep 30 at 2018 2:41 AM

2018-09-30T02:41:45-04:00

No, not at all. they are criminals.

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Sep 30 at 2018 7:03 PM

2018-09-30T19:03:33-04:00

Absolutely...NOT. Legal refugees,sure. Legal immigrants, why not. Political asylum seekers, maybe.

Response by LCpl Stephen Sharp made Oct 1 at 2018 12:11 AM

2018-10-01T00:11:24-04:00

NO. NUFF SAID

Response by LCpl Stephen Sharp made Oct 1 at 2018 12:11 AM

2018-10-01T00:11:55-04:00

NO, NUFF SAID

Response by MSgt Kenneth Driver made Oct 1 at 2018 4:00 AM

2018-10-01T04:00:24-04:00

NO!

Response by CPO Michael Callegri made Oct 2 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-10-02T19:26:12-04:00

This is one of those questions that I wish would go away. Because of misinformation and not know the system, this is always brought up. I work in the Welfare system. I am an Eligibility Supervisor and have been for @ 15 years. Undocs, as we call them have never been eligible to services. The only services Undocs are eligible to are emergency medical services. This question in the political arena has always been brought up to fire people up, when the truth is they are not and do not receive any kind of services and never will. This is one question that I wish would die and that those that bring it up would check the facts first.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2018 1:18 PM

2018-10-06T13:18:50-04:00

My brother-in-arms, what's got to do with military topic about this question?

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2018 3:56 PM

2018-10-06T15:56:59-04:00

Fuck no fuck them.

Response by SPC Tommy Dean made Oct 8 at 2018 8:51 AM

2018-10-08T08:51:16-04:00

Hell No.

Response by Sgt Thomas Proctor made Oct 12 at 2018 1:37 PM

2018-10-12T13:37:50-04:00

Absolutely not, if they show up at any government office for any kind of assistance they should immediately be deported.

Response by CPO David Sharp made Oct 15 at 2018 3:50 AM

2018-10-15T03:50:21-04:00

I don't believe they should have any benefits, allowed voting privileges or special programs. They should be deported and given the info for the path of legal immigration. The entire issue stems from the Democratic party acquiring votes and building a base in certain communities. This is not xenophobia or jingoism but observed outcomes. Look at the decline of the cities when the Democratic party is in "leadership" positions. Glaring examples are Chicago, Detroit and Camden. Nothing good comes from handouts.

Response by Best Book Network made Oct 15 at 2018 8:18 PM

2018-10-15T20:18:30-04:00

Hell no! After the death of my cousin-a Marine Officer combat veteran whose life was destroyed in part by horrible wounds in Vietnam and drinking jungle water contaminated with Agent Orange and NOT helped as he should have been by a failure to get full disability from SSI or my late mother having to work till 77 or, how bout my son who just became a Marine and not able to find work except after a long search and finding a "job" at a carwash earning $9/hour (who knows how many seconds it would have taken to get one paying $15/hour if illegals did not populate the labor market by the millions-after all that the less welfare they get the better. Welfare for illegals is the way corporations and businesses seeking low wage workers can privatize the profits and socialize the costs of illegal immigration. Welfare is a massive immigration magnet and scam that RINOS love for the sake of corporate donors seeking piss poor low labor costs & Democrats do too-especially cause it enables more people to be counted in the census thus creating political power see this National Review article-AND who will bother to check in a state if a hispanic voter is really legally able to vote? We dont really want to think that a little voter fraud can happen and maybe tilt an election (Bush-Gore 2000) do we? https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/07/sanctuary-magnet-illegal-aliens/

The Immigration Boon to Democrats | National Review

The Democrats have no incentive to try to cut immigration — legal or illegal.

Response by SGT Michael Knoll made Oct 17 at 2018 9:30 PM

2018-10-17T21:30:26-04:00

Nope

Response by PO2 Frank Busch made Oct 18 at 2018 1:04 AM

2018-10-18T01:04:41-04:00

No fuckin way

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Oct 18 at 2018 7:21 PM

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Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Oct 18 at 2018 7:21 PM

2018-10-18T19:21:58-04:00

No.

Response by SPC Jason Alatorre made Oct 19 at 2018 11:23 AM

2018-10-19T11:23:28-04:00

NOPE!!!the government takes money out of my paycheck for ME and MY FAMILY to use if I happen to fall onto hard times so why does someone who is not a citizen of this country have instant access to it and I do not??? the government forgot that they work for us and not the other way around

Response by SPC Dwight Turner made Oct 28 at 2018 2:45 PM

2018-10-28T14:45:34-04:00

actually no we have enough problems homeless veterans public assistance for elderly as long they can read wrote and walk they should work like everyone else congress and house cater to them I say ship them back

Response by SPC Phillip Anderson made Oct 28 at 2018 3:13 PM

2018-10-28T15:13:02-04:00

No.
These programs are not meant to be a lifestyle or something to count on, but for people to use in hard times in hopes to one day not use any more.
Tax dollars should be used for citizens of the United States first and aid earmarked to other countries on an as-needed basis.
As an incentive NOT to come here illegally our government should cut off all handouts that make it easy to live here without going through the system of accountability.

Response by Edward Samsen made Oct 28 at 2018 5:55 PM

2018-10-28T17:55:47-04:00

What part of ILLEGAL dowe not understand? THey are an uninvited person in this country, therefore they should get SQUAT. If they get bennies of some form, it should be deducted from foreign aid to their home country.

Response by SPC Bernard Palmer made Oct 31 at 2018 10:58 PM

2018-10-31T22:58:16-04:00

No.....

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2018 9:56 AM

2018-11-01T09:56:49-04:00

They can't legally obtain welfare or public assistance.
A 1997 GAO report found Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamp benefits were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his or her citizen child; (2) this amount accounted for about 3 percent of AFDC and 2 percent of Food Stamp benefit costs;he 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act restricted noncitizens’ eligibility for major federal public assistance programs, such as Supplementary Security Income (SSI), Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as food stamps), Medicaid and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).
Illegal Aliens: Extent of Welfare Benefits Received on Behalf of U.S. Citizen Children, HEHS-98-30, Published: Nov 19, 1997. Publicly Released: Nov 19, 1997.
Likely more fraud by citizens, than non-citizens.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2018 9:32 AM

2018-11-03T09:32:59-04:00

absolutely no freaking way, we have to take care of our veterans and American people first.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2018 9:38 AM

2018-11-03T09:38:11-04:00

absolutely no way, our veterans should be the first priority on the list and the American people, not the illegal immigrants. but of course, the Democrats see in a different way so they can increase their fan base.

Response by SGT Thaddeus McKeown made Nov 5 at 2018 11:28 AM

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Response by Cpl Rafael Angel LopezFerrer made Nov 6 at 2018 10:16 AM

2018-11-06T10:16:07-05:00

Definitely not! Most, if not all countries, have a "public charge" disqualification in their immigration laws. No country has infinite resources, let alone the United States. Therefore, arriving individuals or heads of household must be ready, willing, and able to work. And that does not yet go into the employer sponsorship requirement.

It is bad enough that we have too many of our citizens relying on public assistance; so why should we add to the welfare rolls anyone that has not contributed to the tax base in the past and has no means to pay into it now or in the future? Of course, this raises the question of how our poor contribute when they have limited means. The poor defray part of their public funds consumption by paying taxes on alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, and the exploitation called lottery. Again, it does not completely cover their public dependency, no matter how attached they are to the aforementioned vices.

Response by MSG Judson Brooks made Nov 11 at 2018 7:52 PM

2018-11-11T19:52:25-05:00

Not only 'NO' …. but, illegal aliens should not be allowed here in the first place. We were a nation united by patriotism, love of county, culture, and pride in the country we had inherited from our fathers and forefathers. In the mid 1960s we began to lose those ideals and now we are rapidly moving toward a disunited conglomerate, a territory of multiculturalism - where no one is Americanized.

If we do not change directions soon, we are destined to lose this nation that we inherited and realize the same end-results that befell Rome. Time is rapidly running out and there is much to do, if we are to save this once-great nation! I believe we can succeed, but only if we are brave enough to try. What must we do? Here's a few thoughts....

(1) STOP THE INVASION OF ILLEGALS. Build a triple wall 15 feet high from Texas to California and provide the Border Patrol with the resources they require to fully halt the influx of all illegals to include narcotics and peoples.

(2) END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP. Congress can pass legislation to do so and we must demand it of them. This one simple step would eliminate an estimated addition of 400,000 births by illegal aliens each year, which taxpaying citizens are now funding at an estimated cost of $1.2 billion each year. Not to mention follow-on medical and welfare benefit costs.

(3) END CHAIN MIGRATION. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so.

(4) TERMINATE DUAL CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS FOR ALL AMEREICAN CITIZENS. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so.

(5) CONGRESS SHOULD MAKE IT A FEDERAL CRIME FOR ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN TO VOTE IN ANY ELECTION WITHIN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, OR SERVE WITHIN THEIR MILITARY. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so. Any U.S. citizen who commits either act should suffer the penalty of fully losing their U.S. citizenship, no exceptions.

(6) DEMAND IMMEDIATE DEPORTATION OF ALL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so. Start with gang members and all illegal aliens irrespective of the crime or nature thereof. GITMO could use some new residents if the native countries will not accept their citizens back. No one knows for sure exactly how many illegal aliens reside in this country; however, current estimates come-in at around 40 million persons - so, it is no small task. Attrition will take care of the problem given time, if we cutoff the magnets that draw illegals to this nation; and, we can do that in steps after we start serious deportation efforts with the criminal elements.

(7) PENALIZE SEVERELY EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGALS. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so.

(8) PUT AN END TO 'SO-CALLED' SANCTUARY COUNTIES; CITES; AND STATES. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so.

(9) IMMEDIATELY INSTITUTE A 10-YEAR MORITORIUM ON ALL FORMS OF IMMIGRATION. Congress can pass legislation which will accomplish this and we must demand that they do so. Since the mid-1960s little if anything has been done to Americanize legal immigrants that have been allowed into this country - simply put, they may have been issued citizenship papers, but they have not assimilated into the fabric of America. We need time for the melting pot of this great nation do work its magic. During this stay on immigration of 10 years or more (if required), we as citizens should be afforded the opportunity to openly debate exactly who WE want to enter our home as future neighbors, friends and countrymen.

The list could go on, but this is a good start if we are to succeed in returning this country to the nation that we respect and loved. Otherwise, if we do none of these things - the nation inherited from the founders and our fathers will indeed perish. Remember.... "We cannot succeed, if we do not try."

Response by Sgt Michael Sayles made Nov 12 at 2018 12:39 PM

2018-11-12T12:39:21-05:00

No, public assistance should be reserved to citizens. I believe the amount of Federal and State assistance plus the NGO assistance is a flashing neon sign urging illegal aliens to flood our borders and we will care for them while our Debt rises. Both parties spend money like drunken sailors on liberty for the first time in 6mo, one of them uses our military as a cash cow to remove money from in large amounts for such social programs

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Nov 13 at 2018 11:40 AM

2018-11-13T11:40:54-05:00

First of all let's lay the ground work......to be here illegally means one thing.....you are a criminal....and criminals should not be rewarded with free hand-outs for being here illegally !! Absolutely no illegal should be given one red cent ! You came here illegally, the only thing that the U.S. owes you is a trip back to your country of origin !!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2018 6:48 PM

2018-11-13T18:48:31-05:00

They can't receive public assistance. Only people who can't read think they can.

Response by 1stSgt Phil Mendoza made Nov 15 at 2018 7:58 PM

2018-11-15T19:58:48-05:00

Hell no! It sickens me, all the homeless and non homeless vets out there who need help but there is no funding available! But the damn government bends over backwards for the illegals.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Nov 16 at 2018 11:27 AM

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Nope. The only "assistance" I think that should be provided to illegal aliens is bona fide life saving care at an emergency room. After that deportation.

Response by MSgt Jeff Greene made Nov 24 at 2018 8:19 PM

2018-11-24T20:19:17-05:00

Hell no. They should be deported as soon as they are found. They should immigrate legally or not at all. A drain on tax payer dollars.

Response by SPC Dean J. Thompson made Nov 25 at 2018 9:34 PM

2018-11-25T21:34:03-05:00

No way...Citizens first...Especially Veterans before all others.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Nov 26 at 2018 6:36 AM

2018-11-26T06:36:33-05:00

No...why do you think our social security funds are failing.

Deport them all.

Response by PFC Darrel Little made Nov 26 at 2018 6:42 AM

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Response by PFC Darrel Little made Nov 26 at 2018 6:42 AM

2018-11-26T06:42:29-05:00

no way

Response by Sgt Jeff Martin made Nov 27 at 2018 2:31 AM

2018-11-27T02:31:31-05:00

To address this situation you first have to address non citizens enlisting. They should not be able to enlist or receive benefits. If they are not legal citizens it is not our responsibility to support them. Let them work just like us.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2019 5:51 PM

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No. Even if they have American children. No.

Response by SMSgt Gordon Lau made Jan 5 at 2019 2:18 PM

2019-01-05T14:18:27-05:00

Absolutely not. These benefits are for US citizens.

Response by CW4 Michael Turner made Jan 9 at 2019 5:59 AM

2019-01-09T05:59:44-05:00

Absolutely NOT. I am a retired CW4 living as an Expat in the U.K. and my residents permit (I am a legal resident) says “No Public Benefits”. So for illegals in the US. Absolutely not!!

Response by MSgt Darrell Corti made Jan 11 at 2019 8:10 AM

2019-01-11T08:10:45-05:00

No plain and simple

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2019 6:13 PM

2019-01-11T18:13:01-05:00

If they are 'illegal' how could they receive welfare? Don't you need a social security for that? But one thing that I know for sure is they work, they pay taxes with a tax Identification number... some of them are tax payers did you know that? But they cannot file income taxes therefore they contribute too.

Response by SGT George Duncan made Jan 20 at 2019 6:22 PM

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you must jest?

Response by CPT Phil Bronner made Jan 21 at 2019 12:32 AM

2019-01-21T00:32:39-05:00

Regardless of HOW they got here.....Visa overstays, border crossers, brought with parents, anchor babies, etc...the ONLY thing illegal aliens should be provided is a compass heading back to their own country. Period. with upwards of 22-30 million illegals here...we need to start an aggressive program of returning them to their own countries.

Response by SPC William Szewc made Jan 27 at 2019 8:21 AM

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Immediate deportation

Response by CPT Keith Whitter made Feb 2 at 2019 10:34 PM

2019-02-02T22:34:20-05:00

MY opinions is that they came here illegally, and should not receive any benefits. Especially, considering that American citizens and legal immigrants don't have these same benefits. It should be as it was in the past. You come here at the USA's permission, and you work for what you get. Life can be hard, but for those willing to work there are rewards!

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Mar 13 at 2019 9:38 AM

2019-03-13T09:38:20-04:00

Never, ever! I have been on public assistance before, after my military service. I worked up to 70 hours a week and couldn't make ends meet with a chronically ill child on less than slave wages with most of my money going to childcare and medical. I heard others at the TANF office talking about who was going to father their next "welfare dividend" and it just pissed me off to no end. I had to lift myself out of that within 4 years or I was out on my rear and these parasites were having baby after baby just to get a paycheck and sit on their collective butts!! I did it and moved on but this taught me a lesson about people and assistance. It should be a hand up not a hand out. You don't get rich on it and these people were.

Response by GySgt Robert Otto made May 8 at 2019 11:18 PM

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No one that is here illegally should have NO rights to any type of public assistance. There are already American citizens that don't get any public assistance or very little. They should come first before anyone that is illegal.

Response by SSG Melvin Bruce French made May 9 at 2019 2:07 AM

2019-05-09T02:07:38-04:00

No. Never. They should have a sponsor who completely supports them...if legal. Illegals should not be here, and definitely not on our money.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made May 9 at 2019 2:49 AM

2019-05-09T02:49:52-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner…Once again on this issue Yes Illegals should have basic welfare provided if they need it….Two issues here first off very few illegals use any of these benefits. The Most commonly used is Healthcare. Something that has never been brought up in this discussion is that with the millions of post WW II immigrants, Most from South of the US Border there has never been a health issue that could be traced back to immigrants….Secondly aging this verifiable but if you stop to think for a moment, You are an illegal, would you go to apply for welfare benefits and expose yourself to arrest???…I was born in a county on the Mexican United States border and have yet to see or hear of any major criminal incident involving non documented immigrants from Mexico I have lived next door, across the alley and now in a 950 unit apartment complex with people of Latin Mexico decedents. There have been people in all these housing areas that I'm rather certain was undocumented immigrants for Mexico or further South. There are several pejoratives I could use of people who are not welcoming to those people who last name ends in a Vowel and have far superior food to any thing I've seek far in over 70 years of living…For amy of you who may have a basic knowledge of Medieval European History, think about how hungry people act???

Response by CPL John Bosely made May 9 at 2019 11:34 AM

2019-05-09T11:34:29-04:00

I agree. We now have people coming from all over the world to enter the US illegally at our southern border. I live in Arizona and the illegals get some help here. I have no problems with people that come here legally. I receive food stamps here, but only get $90. a month. I got twice that when I was living in WV.

Response by SPC David S. made Oct 10 at 2019 9:50 AM

2019-10-10T09:50:01-04:00

All depends. If you consider deportation public assistance then yes.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Oct 10 at 2019 1:32 PM

2019-10-10T13:32:25-04:00

No, these programs are attracting illegals and some are illegally voting, dishonest politicians have created this problem

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Nov 30 at 2019 9:25 PM

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SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Absolutely NOT! If you are here NOT LEGALLY, then you should NOT have any public assistance or WELFARE.

Response by Cpl Steven Horsley made Jan 7 at 2021 10:36 PM

2021-01-07T22:36:10-05:00

The word "illegal" should be more than enough to answer this question.