Do you think our CBRNE decontamination TTPs are out of date? What would you do to bring the best to the table?

2016-10-14T13:41:49-04:00

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Oct 14 at 2016 1:46 PM

2016-10-14T13:46:54-04:00

Out of curiosity, what are TPPs because I thought all the CBRN training I got as a Marine was on point, so I'd hate to think if what we're doing was out of date.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Oct 16 at 2016 12:37 PM

2016-10-16T12:37:02-04:00

Their not out of date what is out of date is the support. When I was stationd in Korea in 2008 my S-3 OIC told me that the MOS 74D was a useless MOS. the MOS is mis-understood and covers so much. As an NCO I had always pushed the training for Chemical and BIO, my biggest fear is what happens when we acutally need it and no one is trained?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 9:03 AM

2016-10-18T09:03:32-04:00

I believe that there can be a lot of fine tuning in order to more efficiently decon casualties.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 9:25 AM

2016-10-18T09:25:39-04:00

The biggest issue with CBRNE TTPs is the expectation to wear JLIST for extended time and the expectation to fight a battle in the JLIST. The biggest problem comes for the Mech infantry and Armor units as their TTPS. If the higher ups actually understood the purpose and use of the JLIST is only good for 8 to 24 hours and is for getting out of the contaminated area quickly as possible.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Oct 18 at 2016 10:49 PM

2016-10-18T22:49:54-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner…The inclusion of this into the BCT and AIT was an issue 50 years ago. The Chemical Biological I thing if kept up to date is of some use. These are cheap weapons that a non state entity might find appealing until the first time they sued them in combat. The wind doesn't take sides. On the Nuclear issue the US dumped their tactical nuclear weapons back in 1988, one of the smartest decisions the Pentagon ever made, we should get rid of the rest of our nuclear weapons…If you combine all the nuclear weapons in the world there is still not enough to even disable just our coastal cities and infrastructure. The concept that nuclear weapons could destroy humanity is just nonsense. I doubt that even the combined nuclear weapons of China and Russia is enough to disable the United States.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2016 7:41 PM

2016-10-24T19:41:11-04:00

Maybe someday in the distant future someone will invent a drive through car wash.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2016 7:01 AM

2016-11-08T07:01:20-05:00

The main problem I see is that not everyone is proficient with the way the equipment works or even has fully functional equipment in case of use. Green mission might be a bit outdated (as well as misunderstood, unprepared for in some cases and underused) but white mission is constantly being revamped and held to high standards.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Nov 12 at 2016 1:50 PM

2016-11-12T13:50:08-05:00

Actually there not out of date, the delivery systems and the way we train are.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2016 4:28 PM

2016-11-19T16:28:20-05:00

The problem is this, The Corps and the Army doesn't realize that if you read the FM's JSLIST is only for quick in and out taskings and missions. A 74D shouldn't use the JSLIST at all, we have level suits to do missions with. A high percent of unit don't have the proper equipment (Level Suits) for us to to our job so we use JSLIST to fight our fight which makes us work 20x harder. Most CBRN leaders don't notify when it come to exevals and training that we shouldn't be using JSLIST. our Cbrn equipment isn't army wide. Most Cbrn units have old gear and equipment.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 4:29 PM

2017-01-30T16:29:59-05:00

The 74D mos is not a bad mos. Other soldiers thats not in the mos are scared of what they dont know or assume they know
74D has alot of stuff involve. However the training is useless if we dont use it. And yes for the modern warfare of the 21 century i say it is outdated. But let shit hit the fan and your everyones best freind

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2017 6:55 PM

2017-08-10T18:55:32-04:00

As a BN CBRN officer for an armor battalion, my opinion is yes. First, the logistical challenge of even decontaminating a tank PLT with no organic or attached decon units becomes a brigade line of effort. Second, while JSLIST is proven effective in contaminated environments, the limitations of its effectiveness present a significant risk decision on battalion commanders when planning for decontamination, namely in consideration of time available. Finally, unless the TTPs are thoroughly understood, well instructed, and viciously enforced, it is very easy to miss the mark of "as low as reasonably acceptable" when your decon operators are not 74 series Soldiers. In conclusion, our TTPs are effective but the conditions that must be set in order to achieve a reasonable decontamination present a significant challenge to commanders. Unless force modification adjusts standard unit manning and equipping to be more responsive to a threat with chemical weapons capabilities, our TTPs completely reliant on extremely capable leaders and commanders and Soldiers who are willing to listen.

Response by SSG Rev,Dr,Tony Taylor,DD made Jan 6 at 2018 3:14 PM

2018-01-06T15:14:11-05:00

Yes they are outdated and need to be put out of Commission and we need better TTPs