Posted on Mar 20, 2018
Do you think that the various branches should have the same uniforms?
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I am OK with them having OCP's. I just wish we would put the rank back on the collar. No need to look at boobs to see what your rank is. Get you head up and walk straight
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Plus an enemy is aiming at your chest not head/collar, just gives them a boost when they see they just took out an officer.
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SGT Ray Davies
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - Sir, when we were in Viet Nam, the officers removed their rank from their collars, as we did as NCOs our stripes. We all knew each other, and if we were going away from the area we did have fatigues and class As (and Bs) with the rank displayed. I believe different uniforms give the military more of a E'srit De Corps. Makes it easier to rag on the Marines or Air Force if we can see them.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
SGT Ray Davies Services will rag on each other no matter what their uniforms look like :-)
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PO1 Dori Lowham
I feel that the uniform for each branch distinguishes between each other and that in itself makes them unique. I believe in each branch being unique because they all have different mottos - but, one mission - to protect and serve!
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I think the DoD, possibly through DLA, should provide guidance to reduce “uniform churn” we’ve seen in the Services in the last 20 years. The types of uniforms and their primary acceptable uses should be defined, and the Services and Unified Commands required to live within those limits.
-Service Uniform: Service specific “coat and tie” uniform, such as the Army Service Uniform. This uniform should be used for everyday duties. It should reflect the traditions of each Service while being comfortable and practical for office and ceremonial use. This uniform would be authorized for wear outside of the military installation or duty area for official functions and commuting.
-Work Uniform: A DoD-wide mandated uniform for duties frequently requiring the Service Member to work out of doors, or in a “dirty” environment, or performing duties likely to stain, damage, or otherwise ruin a Service Uniform. Maintenance, motor pool, supply, warehouse, transportation, IT maintenance, communications technicians, and many other skilled personnel would wear this uniform. Combat forces also would wear this uniform when training in garrison, maintaining weapons and equipment, and training in a non-threat environment in the field. Think of this as an updated version of the BDU. Black boots. Wear outside of military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Combat Uniform: Each Unified Command would determine the best uniform design for their AOR or Operation from a collection of DoD developed and approved patterns. Desert, jungle, woodland, urban, etc. These uniforms would be issued to Service Members according to Deployment Orders or when stationed in an OCONUS AOR. Unified Commands would specify the personnel required to wear the combat uniform in their AOR, all others would wear a Service, Work, or Specialized Uniform. Combat uniforms would be turned in when personnel redeploy to CONUS or another AOR. Serviceable uniforms would be recycled.
-Specialized Uniform: Special purpose uniforms designed to fill specific requirements. Flight suits and aircraft carrier deck uniforms are examples. These uniforms would be used exclusively for the purpose for which they are purchased. They will not be substituted for Service, Work, or Combat uniforms. Wear outside of the military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Each uniform type also should include uniform items needed for weather protection. Work and Combat uniforms should include a “field jacket”, parka, field cap, ear and face protection, etc. Combat uniforms may include foot ware of various colors and designs to fit the environment.
-Service Uniform: Service specific “coat and tie” uniform, such as the Army Service Uniform. This uniform should be used for everyday duties. It should reflect the traditions of each Service while being comfortable and practical for office and ceremonial use. This uniform would be authorized for wear outside of the military installation or duty area for official functions and commuting.
-Work Uniform: A DoD-wide mandated uniform for duties frequently requiring the Service Member to work out of doors, or in a “dirty” environment, or performing duties likely to stain, damage, or otherwise ruin a Service Uniform. Maintenance, motor pool, supply, warehouse, transportation, IT maintenance, communications technicians, and many other skilled personnel would wear this uniform. Combat forces also would wear this uniform when training in garrison, maintaining weapons and equipment, and training in a non-threat environment in the field. Think of this as an updated version of the BDU. Black boots. Wear outside of military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Combat Uniform: Each Unified Command would determine the best uniform design for their AOR or Operation from a collection of DoD developed and approved patterns. Desert, jungle, woodland, urban, etc. These uniforms would be issued to Service Members according to Deployment Orders or when stationed in an OCONUS AOR. Unified Commands would specify the personnel required to wear the combat uniform in their AOR, all others would wear a Service, Work, or Specialized Uniform. Combat uniforms would be turned in when personnel redeploy to CONUS or another AOR. Serviceable uniforms would be recycled.
-Specialized Uniform: Special purpose uniforms designed to fill specific requirements. Flight suits and aircraft carrier deck uniforms are examples. These uniforms would be used exclusively for the purpose for which they are purchased. They will not be substituted for Service, Work, or Combat uniforms. Wear outside of the military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Each uniform type also should include uniform items needed for weather protection. Work and Combat uniforms should include a “field jacket”, parka, field cap, ear and face protection, etc. Combat uniforms may include foot ware of various colors and designs to fit the environment.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
Sorry but what you propose would become a logistical nightmare. Making the Supply Officer, and his/her minions, the rulers of the unit. Understanding the primary function of any military is to locate, close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver. As Marines we consider every Marine a basic rifleman and have had many instances occur where personnel other than grunts have been engaged in combat operations. Sorry but your idea, in my humble opinion, sucks and would be a supply nightmare!
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No. Each branch has its different mission. Each mission has its own need for a different set of utilities/uniform.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
What I think would work would be for every branch to use the same exact camo pattern(s) and materials but each branch has the option to have those uniforms cut to their own specifications. So the Marines would wear an MCCU pattern uniform (with our trademark covers) in New Pattern X, while the Army would wear ACUs also in New Pattern X, and so on. This would in some cost savings as every branch would be sourcing the same materials but each branch would still have their own uniform design, even if it's not readily apparent because of them all using the same camo pattern(s).
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
We are 1 military. The elite units can pick & choose uniforms. But regular military should not have each branch seperate. No one else does that.
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MSG John Wirts
Oh when I joined the army in 1962 The pickle suit(fatigue uniform) was semi universal. The belts and covers were sometimes service specific. Next came woodland camouflage this was through the services, the Army folded the sleeves so the outside only showed, while the Marines had the inside of the sleeve exposed. Then the services went bat shit crazy, every service had their own camo and colors. The Marines even incorporated their emblem in their camo and patented it!!!!! What waste, I say that utility uniforms, duty uniforms should be examined by a committee of all services. I was in the Air Force for 6 years, I went into the property disposal office and purchased a surplus Air Force arctic parka. my brother had joined the navy and was stationed on a submarine. We wrote to each other and he remarked how cold deck watch was and asked me to send out my parka. I sent it out to him and the crew used that parka for deck watch. my brother phoned me one day and remarked how warm the parka was and said he wished he had the stock number for the parka. I told him it was on the label inside the collar. He tried to order 6 of them , it got as far as base supply when it was rejected because it was an Air Force stock Number. I say a joint committee should examine all proposed changes to duty uniforms if it is a cold weather jacket the best jacket should be chosen for all services. Service specific should only be allowed for Service uniforms, Dress uniforms. with the shortage of military funding changing uniforms over the past 20 years has been a extravagant waste of scarce funding!
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